Using the Right Primer
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2023
- First aired exclusively on Patreon in Sept of 2019, we now share this with our UA-cam and Rumble followers.
Randy discusses the best primers to use for many applications and why those primers are his top choice.
Randy discusses the best primers to use for many applications and why those primers are his top choice.
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Thanks for sharing your experience. Now if only the manufacturers could keep up with the demand for primers.
I know all of us would benefit from THE REAL GUNSMITH MANUAL ON RELOADING , I CLAIM 1ST SIGNED COPY .
I'e been loading my own ammo for over 60 years, but it's always been a good idea to listen to others who have the experience and wisdom to hare to share. Thank you Sir!
Randy has forgot more than most will ever take in.
🤠 A very important, but overlooked subject that no one talks about on these public hunting/shooting channels! Good Job Randy! 🥳
I revisited your resizing cases
And your first video is without a doubt the way it should be done!
THANK YOU AGAIN RANDY 🙂
This information on primers is hard to find. Thank you Randy and Cathy.
Much appreciated. During the "primer pandemic" many podcasts spoke of primer substitutions, "it's ok" said often. However, as you point out with the primers discussed, actual fact based knowledge releaves concerns, thank you.
Randy is just so knowledgeable!!! Love ya Randy
Excellent information as always Mr. Selby! Thanks for sharing with us. God bless!
Thank you. This is good info for younger reloaders such as myself. Arming us with the info and questions we didn't know we had to ask!
I’m going to have to rewatch this video and probably take some notes. Lots of great information in this video
Outstanding information as always, put in a simple easy to understand way, thank you once again Sir.
Thanks for another great video! Reloading for only 4 years now, but ensure I learn as much as I can.
Yes very very true about primers, I have all the different primers and use each differently depending on the hunting loads I'm building for each individual rifle. I thank you for all of your knowledge that you share with us. It has helped me in words i can't express in my handload development.
I listened to every word. You are no nonsense and the most knowledgeable gunsmith I have ever listened to. Thanks so much for sharing your knowledge!
Thank you! Now I'll watch again and take notes!😊
Thank you for this video. There are very few people that talk about primers, even less that actually know what they are talking about. I especially liked how you listed a lot of these in order of hotness.
Thank you for this common sense educational video! Randy, you are an excellent teacher. These types of videos are just one more reason, in my opinion, why you are the best!
That was very well said !
Myself I’ve used the Remington 9 1/2 for many years now with excellent results!
Mr. Shelby I truly enjoy the information that you share. I watch your videos sometimes a few times and the one that have special applications to say calibres I have , I makes notes. Nothing beats experience and in my opinion you have a lifetime of. Thank you for all the information that you share.
You are very welcome The last name has no "h" in it, though. Auto correct seems to think it does though. SMH!
Thanks for watching.
Love you're videos Randy and I personally would love to see one done on the 270 Winchester and also would like to hear your thoughts on the old winchester model 71. Keep educating,I for one can't get enough. Thank you!!!
Thank you!
Some of us or most of us for that matter do not acknowledge the feedback that you give by sharing your experience and knowledge.
Believe me we do. And we’re thankful, i don’t load 100+grains…but capture every single detail on your feed back .. can’t thank enough 🙏
Have been handloading for about 8 years. I in fact learned quite a bit from you on this one . Availability dictates my primer choices much of the time . Recently had to buy a whole brick of match grade cci small rifle primers 2x the price of my normal #41’s. Came to learn about those but learned much more.
This is one of your best vids!!!
Excellent talk Sir. I will need to go back and do some more testing with the Remington primers and will also need to try the CCI BR-2, I've never used that one. Thank you!
I really appreciate you taking the time to share your knowledge, i hope our paths will cross some day so I can shake your hand and tell you thank you.
Great video again, Randy. In my 45 years of reloading, I liked the milder primers for most of my applications, since I shoot mainly powder efficient cartridges like 7x57, 30-06, 338 Win, 375 H&H and 416 Taylor. Occasionally, if I use a very slow burning powder like IMR 7828 and H1000 especially in combination with longer barreled rifles and heavy for caliber bullets, hotter primers appear to ignite these propellants somewhat better and produce a lower standard deviation on the chronograph. The right primer and powder combination has certainly enormous impacts on accuracy.
I’ve been waiting on this great info!
Good information,most handloaders dont know the difference,not all primers are the same,good job Sir!
Pay attention. And thanks for the primer info. Im not familiar with most of the cartridges you discussed but still learned something. Thanks
Outstanding Randy, thank you!
You are a really great and modest man.
Thanks for the info. it all makes good sense primers are very important in target shooting and hunting loads
Love to hear primer powder choice for 280 ackley. I enjoy your videos keep them coming.
Thank you for sharing your experiences
Great information. I knew they were all different in burn heat. Didn't realize the Winchester mag primer was to hot for 300win mag. Thanks for the information.
That was great. I know there is much more you could share on this topic. Maybe you could expand on it in the future?
Randy, thanks for explaining the primers. If I can ever find any, I plan on reloading my 300 win mag. The book called for winchester large rifle primers. I been trying to understand the difference between different manufacturers. It's not easy for a beginner. We all start somewhere before we get the experience and knowledge. I know from reading that primers that are to hot can cause some pressure problems, or the book says that. I don't know when if ever I can find primers, they are scarce as hens teeth. I truly appreciate your knowledge. I could watch you build rifles all day. I love shooting since I was a young man. I started out with a 22, and it's still my favorite. I love my 300 win mag but now it's to expensive to shoot at 45 dollars and up per 20 rounds. Thanks for sharing again.
All I could find just now was some Remington 9 1/2 at Sportsman’s
Great vid randy
I've had excellent results using WLR primers for a wide variety of loads in '06-based cases. In the very cold conditions (-25 F and below) and I used to hunt for elk, Fed 215's worked well at giving consistent ignition in the same cases. My favorite elk loads use 180 or 200 gr Nosler Partitions in 30-06 and R-22 or H4831 and Fed 215's.
This is very interesting!
Thanks for your insight on this , I think that primers is a much overlooked component in hand loading
Great video, I’ve seen a lot of what you said first hand.
For years, most of us have been stuck using whatever we can get. I cannot wait to find LRP's again.
When this was first published on Patreon, it wasn't nearly as hard as it is now. If you do an on-line search, put your search something like this: "long range primers for sale" always using the quote marks and for sale in the search. Cathy finds that it helps a lot. Still get a lot of out of stock, no backorders, but overall, have better results than just typing in what you are looking for.
Thanks for watching.
@@TheRealGunsmith the only place they are abundant is Gun broker and they are thieves. Anywhere else they are always out of stock
@@TheRealGunsmith I find ammo seek to be an excellent resource for all components (as well as production ammo) and is good about being very current. The maintainers are vigilant about policing scam retailers at the expense of not listing every lesser-known retailer but seem to always be expanding their seller listings.
The biggest problem I'm having is finding the primers to try. It is really good information. Powder burn rates and caliber capacity must be a part of the primer size decision when working up loads. I'm starting to understand this on a novice level. Great video and information. Seems like standard deviation has a lot to do with it too as an indicator. Thanks again.
Yes exactly past 3 years have been a nightmare. Imagine being new to reloading.
From Cathy, The Real Gunsmith's Wife: Yes, finding components, especially primers that aren't being sold at pirate prices is the real challenge that is worse since this video was produced 4 years ago.
One thing I've found helpful in searching on-line for any components is to put the component you are searching for in quotation marks with for sale after. For instance, "CCI primers for sale" and I seem to get more options that way. Oh, I still come up with a lot of "out of stock" and "no backorders" but I also found I have more success by refining my search that way.
Good shooting and thanks for watching.
If anyone is still reading this, I just received cci #250 magnum rifle primers, O.E.M. from Republic Ammo in Ohio. They might still have them in stock.
Ammo seek is an invaluable resource IMO 👍🏼
Thank you. Very informative,
Great information thanks for sharing.
When I want to refresh my memory of the brisance of various primers, I seat each one in an empty case and arrange in a loading block in some kind of order that I can memorize, numerically or alphabetical. I then go down in my deep, dark, dungeon basement and fire them, in the dark, out of a Contender or other break-open firearm. Earpro is required. I read once that the CCI 350 large pistol magnum primer has the highest brisance level of all primers, as it was developed for igniting H110 powder which, the author said, is akin to lighting charcoal. Thanks, Randy!
Thanks! Great information!
Cci #2 primers in my opinion is great. But for extreme consistency the Remington 9.5 primers are very good in 308 and 30/06.
For my beloved 257 Weatherby, and the 300, 338 winchesters the Remington 9.5 magnum primers are used. I'm alot like Mr. Randy because these primers are really good. I have been very successful with them there primers. My old BDL in 30/06 still shoots as good as the m‐40 a3 did in 82- 84. Mr. Selby
has been using the same thing that I have, and I hunt in southwest Texas.
Remington primers are excellent.
School is in session, valuable primer info
thanks for sharing. my old 243 winchester rifle has been using the cci br2 primer pretty well with 85 gr partition and varget powder. probably not ideal but it shoots well. and i take game with it every year. i just load what dad figured out but never gave no never mind on the primers. thanks for the info
Only large rifle primers I can find right now are Fiocchi. So, I bought 5500. I bought Remington primers one time in the late 90s. They appeared new, in great condition, boxed properly, etc. At least 50% were duds. I contacted the store where I bought them and they referred me directly to Remington. They made it right and sent me all new primers once they received the remaining batch I bought
Great information thanks
Keep up the good work
Very good information
Much to be said about primers. Primers are the last on the list for fine tuning a hand load. Powder , bullet, and case preparation is what I develop first and bullet seating depth next. Primer last. Rule of thumb for me is magnum primers for magnum size cases or use of ball powders for any size case. Thats how I start off selecting a primer. That may not what i end up with fine tuning a hand load. I think the Whinchester magnum rifle primer is the hottest primer because Whinchester mainly loaded ammo with ball powder by Olin corporations in the old days. Temperature, flashole diameter and length, along with primer seat , firing pin protrusion, and firing pin spring power all have effect on powder charge ignition. Got to dot all the i's and cross the t's. I been loading ammo for 54 years. I do not recall a misfire with my handloads. Cant say the same for factory or surpluse ammunition .
Excellent 👍
Thank you very much🎉
I learned a lot thanks 🙏
Great info. 👍
Thanks Randy
Absolutely enjoy these videos
So thank you for sharing knowledge, I have used your bench shooting technique and it definitely helps when shooting my sporter weight rifles such as the 257 Weatherby,35 Whelen and 270WSM.
I do have a question that does not have to be answered here but I recently was able to get my hands on some Winchester WLR primers and Fed 215s. I have been having issues getting my 257 Weatherby to achieve top velocity shooting an 80gr ttsx, using barnes data with .2 grs below max charge using IMR 4831 using a cci 250.I am only achieving velocities in the high 3600s and low 3700s
I was hoping that I was able to achieve 3800, at this point it's not much more than a 25-06, should I try a slower powder like 7828, and or will this primer change help achieve the velocity I am looking for
Thank you for your knowledge Randy. I always learn something new from you. What is your opinion on Lazzeroni family cartridges?
These smaller case offerings are good. The huge capacity cases require huge powder charges to equal the balanced cartridges.
Thanks for watching.
I've always had good luck with CCI large rifle primers. I don't reload any Magnum rounds. Really 45-70 is the biggest we mess with.
Just remember, only the sith deal in absolutes. Anyway that says you should only x or only use x is almost always wrong. I’m glad he explains the difference between the primers and just because your case says magnum doesn’t necessarily mean it needs a mag primer or any mag primer. I wish we had more videos like this and shooting journals. New periodicals and UA-cam has way too much fuddlore, sales, or bs.
Love the video. Great information. My one question is that you never remarked on where the CCI #34 ranks in the spectrum. I've always considered it similar to the 250. Am I wrong? Thanks again for the great content.
Yes, you are wrong. The .250 is a Mag primer, #34 is standard primer. Try different primers to see what works best in your particular rifle for each caliber of rifle you have. Remember that not all rifles of the same caliber will like the same "diet".
Thanks for watching.
Great video it amazes me the people that don’t have any idea what primer to use in there rifles. It isn’t that hard to do a lil research and take a lil time to do some reading about these things and learn the proper primers and powders to use in a particular caliber. So so many times have I been somewhere and ran across guys that are almost always using way to hot of primer for a caliber and way to fast of powder. Most people don’t take the time to use a chronograph when they work up a load so they don’t know that there combo maybe producing SDs in the high 30s 40s maybe even in the 50s. It’s not that hard to learn these things if your really interested in top accuracy and low SDs. Again thanks Randy for all the free knowledge your handing out to the hunting shooting and reloading world I really appreciate it.
In my own meager experience I have found that primers that are too mild will yield hangfires and erratic ES/SD... And too hot of a primer will do the same.
And I have heard people run down this or that primer because it wouldn't shoot a particular bullet/brass/powder combo well... That doesn't make that particular primer bad... It just means it isn't the right "fit" for that particular load combo.
I have a particular ling distance target load for 300 Win Mag that uses CCI BR2 primers and shoots absolutely "lights out" with single digit ES/SD numbers... But only in the warmer months because ignition and ES/SD become erratic below 40°F... Which is fine because I don't like to target shoot much in the winter.
i am glad you set standards for everything including your distances and bullet choices for game, i never been elk hunting but my standard for myself would be a 4 inch target that i can hit 5 times in a row consistantly in any weather condition, what ever distance i can do that even if i have to move closer, i refuse to wound any animal but give it a quick death, also nosler partition or accubond with a good 1500 ft/lbs of remaining energy on the elk at its distance as you mentioned, in my opinion a good hunter wont step back to snipe but have fair chase moving in closer if anything, wont be a impressive video for those only wanting reckless risky long range shots to impress others with the video and being sneaky to edit out any shot that wound a animal causing animal extended suffering as they finally put it down, wildlife are treated like long range steel or paper targets with thin jacketed competition bullets that are similar to a varmit load exploding not able to get adequate penetration like bone and angle shots wich need maybe a good bonded, partition or copper bullet, that long range snipe nonsense i was glad you bring it up a lot and still will in other videos, keep the grumpy wisdom coming in your videos, its like a good kick to the back side of unethical hunters or long range shooters having no care about the right bullet or the right distance
Thank you for what you said, not many do, or care about the animal. Any man or woman who kills any animal for the sake of killing is mentally disturbed and we will not tolerate such in our group. These animal's feel pain and bleed, they deserve to be humanely harvested and nothing less. I think you're the only 'MAN'[ in the comments who cared enough to mention it.
@@dukeman7595I'm not a hunter but if I was I'd follow your advice. It says a lot if a person doesn't do their best to prevent any suffering.
Great knowledge recommendation for seven mm Remington mag, for accuracy Winchester large rifle or Magnum primer?
Boy would I love a video on the 35 whelen
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll take it under advisement. There is plenty of load data in the reloading manuals. It is a good cartridge.
Thanks for watching.
@@TheRealGunsmith Yes Sir, we love your presentations on everything shooting related and learn so much. Thanks again
Hot and cold primers aren't really all about case size, but more about propellant. For example a ball propellant in winter Temps is harder to get good ignition than a temp insensitive extruded powder.
It would be nice to see a list of what he's talking about.
I absolutely had no idea about the primer differences and I have been reloading 40 years, now I am wondering if I should be tinkering with WLRM primers in my .300 RUM and my 95 grains of Retumbo or my 104 grains of RL 33 loads?
Randy, thanks for this. Does a primer change make much of a difference with a heavier bullet weight for cartridge? Example 25-06 rem. using Rel. 22 with a 117-120 grain bullet vs a 100gn. Bullets. I use a Win. LR primer currently.
A good question. That said, you will only know what your particular rifle will do by making the changes. What may work in 1 or 10 different rifles I have of the same caliber, may not work in any of the others, so it is a matter of time, patience and a lot of trial and error.
Safe reloading and thanks for watching.
Great stuff Randy. Do you have any experience with S&B primers?
No, I don't, at this point.
Thanks for watching.
Randy I have a question. I have been using Winchester magnum primers in my 280 Ackley Improved Kimber rifle to ignite H450 powder. Please tell me if I am on the right track.
Don’t know until you try it
No easy button in reloading
Only hard work and the best satisfaction you will FEEL!!!
What powder do you prefer with a 300 Weatherby Mag using a Winchester large rifle primers? Great video!
H4831 and RL 22.
Thanks for watching.
So my understanding is that if I’m reloading my 7 mag the Winchester large rifle should be more than sufficient to ignite my charges of H1000 or RL25
I love the federal 215, (I read the hottest primer on the market) but, haven't been able to find them since 2015!!!!! (Much less 2020). I am down to 2000, I only use them in my ultra mags, but, sure would like to buy more. (Anybody know of any links to buy some)???
I use lr bench rest
Hi loved the news on primers. Would you recommend the Winchester large rifle magnum primer with a 7 RUM? I shoot 150 Scirocco II’s
WLRM is correct for the 7 RUM.
Thanks for watching and Happy New Year!
Hi Randy.whats corect amunition length 308cal.175ge not full length but to OGIVE
Sir, thank you for sharing your Knowledge on your show, I would like to ask you a question, because of the cost of Ammo I am going to start reloading, I need to learn how to pick the right case's, powder, bullet's, primers, and can you direct me to a reloading system, I was looking at the lee but I don't know for sure, I have these calibers, 300 wsm, 300 win mag, sig 357, I would appreciate any help, thank you and have a wonderful day.
All of the manufacturers are making great equipment. I'd heard that there are some on the market that aren't US made, but haven't confirmed that. Just go with US made and you will be fine. Go with reloading manuals, start lower than max charges and work up. Given the problem of getting components, and from what I can tell, it may vary from area to area, I only make component recommendations for rifles I've worked up loads for, anymore. The best components are ones you can obtain and then finding the combo that your two rifles will like.
Thanks for watching.
I get pressure sighs with fed mag primer and the same load with win mag primer no pressure sighs hmmm
I miss Remington 9 1/2 primers but so far they’re not back in stock yet. Had to make sue with Federal Large Rifle and Fiocchi Large Rifle. Very little CCI available to me
Immediately.
Finding components is frustrating, for sure!
Thanks for watching!
Can you recommend a written document or printable file that one could keep near their loading bench, for reference, with recommended primers for a given group of cartridges? I see a lot of load recipes give a recommendation but don't necessarily provide the desired results.
Hottest Primers
WLRM
F215
F210
Hot Primers
CCI 350
Rem 9 1/2 M
Rem 9 1/2
CCI 250
CC1 34
Fed 210 M
WLR
Mild Primers
CCI BC2
CCI 200
RWS 5341
Fed 155
Win WLP
Rem 6 1/2
CCI 400
pR 7 1/2 BR
Most mild primers
Fed 150
CCI 300
Rem 2 1/2
I compiled this list some time ago. Hope this helps. Otherwise, not sure of another comprehensive source, though there may be one out there.
Hope this helps. Thanks for watching.
Thanks for the information. Is it generally safe to use cci #34 for 308, 3006 or 7x57 case capacities?
Yes, it is. Thanks for watching.
@@TheRealGunsmith that's great to know. I just got my hands on some. Thanks very much.
I ALWAYS read federal 215 was the hottest, now I read WINCHEATER MAGNUM Rifle is the king. -- going to have to load some "test" rounds and chrony them.
I've had better luck catching Snipes lately than finding large rifle primers.
Could you touch on straight wall cartridges like the 4570?
My work revolves around the bottle neck cartridges. There are only so many hours in a day and I concentrate on where my strongest interests lie, so will pass on this question.
Thanks for watching.
I’d like to try all them but 1 I can’t find any and 2 it’s would be in the neighborhood of 1000-1400 dollars to buy all them. Cci 200s it is.
Does using a compressed load affect which primer you might choose to start with? My example is 280 ackley improved with 62 gr of imr 7828ssc, would a hotter primer potentially be better with a compressed load?
No.
Thanks for watching.
Quite interesting, thank you. Perhaps you could turn the ringer down/off for future installments? I don't think you know how jarring the ringer sounds while wearing headphones . . . just saying.
Sadly, right now it's use the primer you can get and make adjustments. Definitely only use the 'correct' LR, LRM, SR, SRM etc. primer in your loads. Deviations mean re-starting development.
Thank you for this video. I do have a question though..... Let's say a cartridge like the 6.5 Creedmoor .... You can get brass in either small or large rifle. Is there a disadvantage or downside to using a small rifle primer with that bore and case capacity?
The only downside would be getting inconsistent ignition with some powders in extreme cold temps when using small rifle primers. It's rare, but it happens in extreme cold, as in -25 F and below.
On the other hand, the benefits of using small rifle primed cases of this size are less velocity variation from shot to shot, stronger case head, and thus longer case life in general.
If you want the most precision, small rifle primers are the way to go. If you want a 400 yard target and deer gun, particularly in the cold, get the standard large rifle primer cases.
@@jasonshults368 , thanks for the reply. I've got a few small primer cases. I need to get some primers, load 'em up and compare the small and large over the chronograph, I guess. I appreciate it.
Yes, there is a downside. Some powders can't be adequately ignited with small primers. I would only use LR primers.
Thanks for watching.
At this stage of the primer game I have been using Rem 9 1/2 and Winchester WLR in my 300rum with surprisingly good results. Interesting they say its the raw material to make primers is the issue. Since they all use the same raw materials why are just large rifle impossible to find? Small rifle and pistol are everywhere. Same compound different amounts of it. Sure as shit dont make sense to me
If hunting in Alaska in winter is it better to lean toward hotter primers .
Yes, as a rule. Good hunting.
Thanks for watching.
What is your opinion on the old faithful 30-06.
When trying to find a good do it all cartrage for North America, it always keeps coming up to the plate.
The 30-06 does not have the longer range energy that I require for the country I hunt. And by long range, I am considering 700 yards to be LR.
Thanks for watching.
@TheRealGunsmith 700 hundred might as well be on the other side of the moon for me. 300 is as far as I'm capable at this time.
Maybe one day I'll get there.
Thanks for the feedback.
God Bless.