Does the Bible Condemn Homosexuality? (Responding to Bart Ehrman and Jeffrey Siker)
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2023
- I’ve been enjoying Bart Ehrman’s Misquoting Jesus podcast, even if I disagree with like 50% of what is said, lol. It’s educational and entertaining. I ran across this one regarding homosexuality, and I thought I would listen and see if they said what I thought they would say regarding Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. Listen in as I respond to their thoughts and points about the law of Yahweh through prophet Moshe.
Shalom, Thank you for sharing, Yah bless you and yours today!
Thank you brother Matthew. Shalom,Shalom,..
another great video Brother Matthew!
Shalom, good morning. Thanks for sharing.
Did not know you follow the lunar Shabat. (I am assuming so based on your comment near the end.) Another pleasent surprise from you, brother. Shalom!
This video helps with some much more than the issue of homosexuality! Thanks for sharing your insights and decrement!
I appreciate your point of view, Would you do a follow up part two and address the New Testament references?
Great job brother!
Leviticus simply doesn't apply.. The first few verses of each chapter of Leviticus define who the rest of the chapter applies to:
1 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, I am the LORD your God.
3 After the doings of the land of Egypt, wherein ye dwelt, shall ye not do: and after the doings of the land of Canaan, whither I bring you, shall ye not do: neither shall ye walk in their ordinances.
4 Ye shall do my judgments, and keep mine ordinances, to walk therein: I am the LORD your God.
5 Ye shall therefore keep my statutes, and my judgments: which if a man do, he shall live in them: I am the LORD.
Notice it says: "Speak unto the children of Israel." The Jews. Not the Egyptians, the Africans, the Arabs, the Europeans, ... Just the Jews.
Matthew, this was brilliant. Your statements ref Moses and YHVH were amazing. Thank you.
2 questions if I may:
Have you done an in-depth presentation of the fa r that Jesus is and said he was the prophet like Moses?
Do you believe the NT specifically condemns homosexuality?
I appreciate the kind word and encouragement.
1) I haven’t, but I believe Yeshua was understood by Apostle Peter to be a prophet like Moshe if you look at his sermon in Acts 3 where he directly quotes Deuteronomy 18. (I do believe Yehoshua son of Nun was the immediate fulfillment back in that time period.)
2) Yes, I believe Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 6 both echo Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13.
Excellent and bold
Thank you Brother Matthew💙 Shalom!
I love these videos you do Matthew!!
Question for you brother: according to the calendar you keep, when do you celebrate Pesach?
Reason I ask, I have came to a new understanding from The Almighty Father of Lights... I am now keeping calendation based on the sun, moon, & the stars. According to my new understanding, I will keep YAHUAH'S Pesach on the pagan day of May 19th (bc of a 13th month). I was keeping The Zadok calendar but now I understand that the moon does indeed herald the beginning of months.
Thank you again my Berean brother for ALL you do for the body of our Messiah & Master, YAHUSHUA 👑💯
We are keeping April 4 for Pesach. We make sure the full moon (Pesac moon) happens after the spring equinox inside the ancient sign of Aries. I have a study on it if you’re interested. (Thanks for the encouragement brother.)
@Ministers of the New Covenant Yes sir brother, I would definitely be interested in checking out the study!!
Thanks. Shalom.
@@gileadtenn www.ministersnewcovenant.org/the-scriptural-new-year-written.html
@@emjmnc you can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
Enjoy these morning post!
For our British brethren!
Pick and choose which laws of Yah we keep? No. I will follow all to best of my ability!🙏🕊
Be sure to eat no shellfish.
I doubt you get close to following all.
I'd bet that you don't even KNOW all the laws of "Yah". Do you like cheeseburgers??
@@efandmk3382 There's also the question of which laws a person must still follow and which were supposedly eliminated by Jesus.
@@efandmk3382
Eating cheese burgers are forbidden by Yah’s law?
You look at the text "men laying with men" very black and white, while likely looking at "put a child to death" (Lev 20:9) with more nuance based on the ancient Jewish culture. You even did this to the issue of mixed fabrics, saying that further study of Jewish writers indicate that law refers to wearing garments of the priestly mixture. I would encourage more consideration on this topic because unless you are putting your rebellious children to death as well as enacting the death penalty as dictated by several other laws, I would assert you are not as consistent following the law of Moshe as you claim.
I do not say this with any animosity, as you seem like a very genuine, welcoming person that honestly wants to please God, and I very much appreciate your calm, earnest tone throughout this video
What a healthy conversation! VANA
And the conscience of people continues to be seared, burned and useless. They have done what it right in their own eyes for so long the conviction of the Holy Spirit has no impact. Sad to see that scholars continue to justify evil and acceptance of evil.
There are sectors of the Law. The social implications are clear to anyone. The Jewish religious implications are void for us today.
A great reminder why the Abrahamic religions are absurd. Thanks.
Romans 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and ALL THE WORLD may become guilty before
Elohim.
Beneficial ! 🙏
Did you mean to say *Sunday at 26:05? He believes the Sabbath is on Sunday?
No, I meant Saturday, lol… I believe the Sabbath follows the lunar cycle.
@@emjmnc Oh, I think I knew that but forgot. Thanks for the clarification, brother!
Yes the Law was placed in stone at Sinai, but all are descendants of Noah. He passed instructions to his sons and their sons. Sinai was a "renewal" of the Covenant with YHWH, for people had forgotten His ways. Our Creator did not wipe out people with the flood because they did not know the expected behavior. This is what the misgivings of Judaism has brought people to believe. So many think He was an evil entity. He did not place man here without giving instructions to blindly go and violate by chance. That would be sadistic. Canaan and his descendants were squatters and moral violaters of His instructed behavior, so of course they got vomited out of that territory. YHWH was bringing back ones He intended to be there. Later they too were vomited out for forsaking His behavior.
Incorrect
"He did not place man here without giving instructions to blindly go and violate by chance"
- How do you know this? What biblical passages are you citing to support this argument? It sounds like you're just stating a belief, but you're not giving the evidence to justify it.
@@captainbryce1 Glad you asked. Not going to give chapters and verse numbers but just direct you to read Genesis and Exodus, very slowly, and you will pick up on it.
I will give a few examples to get you started: 1) Cain and Abel performing First fruit offerings.
2) When Cain was disgruntled with his brother YHWH said "sin" was at his door. (Sin is transgression of the Law)
3)Noah was given 120 years to preach repentance prior to the Flood. Ask yourself how would they know about repentance if they had no laws/rules/instructions?
I have to wonder if Yah, in His infinite, beyond understanding wisdom, intentionally did NOT make "Saturday" Sabbath, so we are truly honoring the Sabbath and NOT pagan Saturday!
what came first, the day or the name?
yes, yes it does
I’m surprised they don’t know any Orthodox Jews.
The Bible at least the King James... Speaks against homosexualities in Romans Paul speaks against it maybe even in Hebrews I know it's mentioned twice at least in the New testament I'm driving right now so I can't give you the exact spot but I'm pretty sure it's in the first book of Romans like the first chapter... Anyways I like your video pretty chill... Those guys are apostate and they are what's wrong with Christianity. I don't even consider them Christians they are deceived and far from the Lord. Keep doing what you doing God bless my friend
Bart Ehrman is a well known atheist scholar, so he's coming at it from a neutral perspective. Dr. Siker is a Christian scholar who has a different perspective than you. But to just call him an apostate simply because he disagrees with you is not an argument (it's a No True Scotsman fallacy). You actually have to produce an argument for why your interpretation is superior to his, or why his argument logically fails. This guy studies scripture for a living! Its fine if you don't consider him to be a Christian, but that's not an argument.
You can be LGBT and Christian 👨❤️👨
You CAN be LGBT and be called a 'christian' BUT you won't be saved unless you repent and turn away from that sin. Being called a "Christian" has noting to do with being a child of YHWH, If you love HIM you will do what HE says.
@@praiseYAHalways sad Homosexuality is not sin Christianity should go away
Only if you are a self-hating, bankrupt sycophant. And even then, you're only lying to yourself. The Bible is clearly against homosexuality. If you are homosexual, then you are an abomination unto the Lord. You do not inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. Paul very clearly says that in the New Testament.
*Well said brother. While I do agree that at least Bart is consistent, I do believe he is in no position to speak on the scriptures.*
Now that is not me anointing myself the sole authority, messiah יהושע is the authority, it’s that Bart is a ‘Historian’ not a ‘textual critic/scholar’. I have my own video planned on Bart, but Bart seems to have (maybe unknowingly) adapted to his Muslim and Atheist audiences. There is a taste for ‘Christian’s are crazy’ or ‘Christians are inconsistent’ content as of now and Bart serves this. Now funnily it’s not wrong, many modern Christians are inconsistent or don’t know their own text. However since Bart is not a textual critic he creates content based upon ‘modern Christian standards’ not what the text actually says. I am not trying to unfairly judge Bart, but since their is a market to it there is money involved. Atheist, pagans and some Muslims love this context and will patronise it, be that directly or indirectly(UA-cam).
Tattoosandshaving the sides of thehead.... for the dead?
Isn't that true?
I don’t believe so brother… www.ministersnewcovenant.org/uploads/9/1/6/1/9161032/which_side_will_you_choose_final.pdf
@@emjmnc
Leviticus 19 27&28
I read your book up to page 35.
I'll finish it tomorrow.
About me:
I have a full beard. Might give Aaron a run for his money, lol.
I follow your calendar for sabbath and feast days.
I eat clean.
No tattoos, etc.
A man of one wife (43years)
I have chosen which side I'm on, lol
Finished your book this morning. Good stuff. Well researched.
Thanks.
Them 9 commandment christians xD
This is me putting jn a request for a video on blended fabric.
Start at the 31:43 mark on this one: ua-cam.com/video/iGsyar5QM-Y/v-deo.html
@@emjmnc Thanks!
Bart Ehrman is also my favorite atheist. It really is a shame that he's fallen away, especially considering that, intellectually, he's in a much better position than most to see the truth.
One big problem today is that far too many people no longer want to believe in objective morality, so they reflexively reject anything that suggests otherwise, especially when it comes from religion. YHVH's morality is an objective fact, and as they say, "facts don't care about your feelings".
I think its not so much that people dont want to believe in objective morality, its simply not existing ...
It's not a question of what they "want" to believe, it's simply a question of logic. Objective morality is not logical. It literally cannot exist conceptually when you understand what the words mean. It's a philosophically unsound epistemology and there can be no rational arguments for it. That's the problem with it.
It’s not a sliding scale, Regardless if a “professing” Christian lives their life according to the laws or not, this does not change the reality of what the law is!
WELL WELL
The bible condemns homosexuality, the bible doesnt condemn homosexuality, or yes, or no?
Homosexuals exist since humans exsit, since 300,000 years.
Christianity ONLY exist since 2000 years (together with Judaism only 3000 years) and the bible since only 1700 years.
And ever since this "cristal clear" book caused the split up of hundreds of confessions and interpretations and even different religions.
Meanwhile we homosexuals will life our lives and observe, how you guys doing in your interpretations about if you accept us or not ;)
One day, as all cultures on this planet, Christianity and the Bible will disapopear.
Homosexuals then will still exist thousands of years after your ideology will be forgotten.
Have a great time. :)
Not to mention the homosexuality is practiced by every other primate ON THE PLANET.
Homosexuality is not an agenda. It is a sexual orientation, no different from heterosexuality or bisexuality. Sexual orientation is present at birth. One is born that way.
As far as agendas are concerned, look at religion, which is essentially theology. Christianity has an agenda in the narrative of its theology. As a Christian, you are a valuable resource to the Church. You provide funding, and you provide a political voice. This is really the reason proselytizing is so integral to the Christian movement.
The Bible contains wisdom and it also contains junk. And the same applies to the Quran.
The wisdom writings of Laozi and the Buddha are examples of pure wisdom, meaning you will find no junk in them.
The Baghavad Gita is truly a treasure of wisdom, but it does have some junk, references to religious practices, but 99% of the Gita is pure wisdom.
The western wisdom writings are much more adulterate. This is why there is much hypocrisy within the Abrahamic religions, people leading a double life, because people take the junk for wisdom.
You do not seem to grasp that the New Testament departs sharply from the Old Testament in that the Old Testament supports a religion which is land bound and and tribal. Christianity does not fit into this. When Jesus says that the law and prophets still stand it requires an allegorical understanding of the Old Testament. The idea that one has to treat his beard in a specific way is just rediculous. It does nothing for manliness. No one in christianity has interpreted it as significant for centuaries now. Suddenly now you have discovered the truth about this. Also the rule about not having sex during menstruation and ad to that that the women is seen as unclean during that time is just as irrational. We know now what is going on during menstruation and we also know beard is just hair. It has no intrinsic moral importance. The trouble is that you want to force on people views devoloped by people who believe that the earth was flat and floating on water and that God and other heavely beings lived above us and periodically opened ports in heaven to let some water rain down etc. You can keep believe all that nonsense along with believing that it is adulterous to marry a divorced person etc or you can get realistic and base your beliefs on testable and tested theories. I prefer to be free to think for myself in stead of being led by ancient ideas insofar as these ideas go against commen sense and scientific principle. I belief you have a right to grow your beard and belief in some of what you belief. The problem is that you do not give others the same freedom. Most people advanced to a scientific view of the world today. And the world is better for it. You propose a world view more aligned with that of the Taliban than western civilization. Do we really want to go back to the times of the spanish inquisition, religious wars and brutal murder of people we see as adulterers etc? The basis of the craziness here is the acceptance of scriptures as a basis for finding truth. This locks us in to the ideas of sheep herders, people who constantly went to war to rob other tribes, to kill everyone including babies and take their land. These were barbaric times. At least now we know that that world view is fundamentally wrong and harmful on so many levels. I do appreciate the teachings of Jesus broadly but if any ideas go againt commen sense scientific priciples those have to go. Since the Leviticus view of homosexuals requires killing these people I must protest. If God comes down and explain to us that science is wrong I might reconsider. But you only have an old book and a strong conviction that you are right. So I do not think we can allow you to go kill someone merely because and old book says so. You are apparently living in a strange world in another time. Wake up people. Science gave us electricity, is keeping us full because of increased productivity, saves us from horrible illnesses and you seem to want to give that up for the musings of ancient men.
NO!! JESUS WAS GAY
You are being sarcastic?
Moses didn’t exist and no, the Bible does NOT condemn homosexuality
Dr. Siker is splitting hairs trying to gain credibility to his position! And then baiting and switching for the same reason. The rule is if you don’t want to follow what you know is right, try to confuse the law to make it seem a different purpose than the law clearly states! Regarding clothing of two kinds, has no baring on the law regarding act of homosexuality!