Maybe were an ingorant child Left in the dark who only thought of candy. Not of other being like animals or babies. But I Know exactly what was against.and from a pro Feticide family. Are against home ultrasound on smartphones. Or even feelings pregnant belly. What say abortion survivors
Children just shouldn't be brought to any rally whatsoever. It's like you said, they have no idea of what's going on, so what's the bloody point. That goes for both sides of the rally.
Very Snazzy why do you people always have to use the 0.1% of cases? In the vast majority of them she won’t die and if she is then I think that’s the only time it should be legal.
Very Snazzy, since your username isn’t exactly, well, smart, “m8” could easily be interpreted as your grammar. It wasn’t as clear a joke as perhaps you thought it was, to a stranger.
Which the rate of abortions performed because it the baby posed a danger to the mother is less the .1% percent, but lets make a deal. The only time a woman can kill her unborn child is when that baby can prove fatal to her at birth. Deal?
how about if you don't want a child don't get pregnant...........que rape reply, if abortion was legalized for rape, it wouldn't be enough. it was about on demand....rape was used as emotive blackmail. 99% are not because of rape. give it a few years the 12 wk limit will be "sexist"
The fundamental thing the no campaigners were ignoring was that the abortions were happening regardless, it's just they were either happening in an unsafe and technically illegal way, or they were happening outside of the country.
No campaigners were well aware abortions were happening, but due to it being illegal in Ireland the numbers were far lower than the likes of our European counterparts, the no campaigners recognized that the legalization of abortion has always led to the number of abortions increasing. Plus just because something happens does that mean we should legalize it? by that logic should we legalize things like fraud, robbery and other murders because they happen anyway? I mean how stupid is that argument And abortions can't be called 'safe' a human is killed during one and abortions in countries which provide 'safe and legal' ones can be botched, look into the botched abortions of Marie Stope's clinics. Plus some pro-lifers would like to make it illegal again for women to travel for an abortions therefore you can't trip us up on the argument of ' you don't mind them happening abroad.'
I know a lot of bias news outlets ran that headline, but it's simply untrue, abortions can carry many risks, abortion is an unnatural procedure, child birth is not women have been giving birth for thousands of years, are you denying that there is botched abortions, look into the botched abortions of planned parenthood and Maries Stopes
Paedophilia is happening. People travel abroad for it because the laws forbid it. Lets legalise it and make it safe. Lets change the laws. Same arguments being used here but its a no. Abortion is the act of killing and it is the ultimate form of child abuse.
Pro choice is called pro choice not pro abortion because we are giving women the choice ; keep the baby, abort the baby, do whatever you want. You are the mother and you get to make the choice on what is best
Right Winger I'm guessing you are a male, all I can say is that you are lucky that you will never be in that situation where you yourself will have to decide
Right Winger your previous comment won't load so I am presuming you deleted your comment. From what I read, yes I do deserve to have a say over my body and what I choose to do with it, as you do with yours. And no, supporting repeal does not mean I support terrorism, of any kind, so I would appreciate if you didn't try to put words in my mouth☺️
My friend travelled to Marie Stopes in Liverpool when she was 17. She was sexually abused as a child and was told she could never have children. So she was surprised when she fell pregnant. Marie Stopes staff treated her horrendously because she was from NI. Once she had the procedure, an hour later they told her to leave the clinic. She travelled back to NI on the same day and had a painful recovery. 2 weeks later she was rushed to the Royal hospital and a scan showed that the abortion failed and the baby's heart was still beating but the fetus was deformed. They had to perform emergency surgery. NI and Irish people should not have to leave their country to have an abortion. It's vile treatment.
Yes so best to stop abortions altogether. Before the 8th was repealed there was approx 2,700 abortions per year carried out in UK. Now since repeal 8,500 carried out in Ireland. Not good.
This is such a private, personal decision. The only way the government should interfere with this is to make sure these places are safe and sanitary and follow medical standards. I don't want to see Society go backwards and for people to die having to either do this themselves or go to someplace that doesn't follow the standards a medical facility has to by law. Very scary and very, very unfortunate.
@Maria Aquos I agree for the most part, but it should still be a legal option for women that are NOT in their 3rd trimester. Like Hannah says a couple comments down, it just prevents unsafe, illegal, practices. This was a major victory for women regardless of what year the case was won. It was put before supreme court and that should be the end of it. It's a hard enough decision to make without a woman being considered a criminal for making that very hard and private choice. I don't want the gov't interfering with my very personal body functions or my choices. It won't stop abortions from happening. Hillary was and is an abomination, who's impotence caused the deaths of many good people in Benghazi. I have zero respect for the wsub-human or any of her policies. It's all fine and dandy to have the chemical alternative but it can't be a woman's only option. And there are people who for wtvr reason, may not have birth control as an option. This is a last resort. I think of a young girl whose parents are in denial that their son or daughter is sexually active at all, and said person finds themself in such a desperate situation, or a working professional, who can't take two or three days laying around sick & miserable in the bed, but can maybe manage to take one day off to have their termination in a safe, legal, sterile, gov't sanctioned Drs office/ medical environment. To say its not an option or take this option away would be stupid as well as potentially fatal to said person and going backwards. This fight was won and should be a done deal.
Joann. Not even chopping your own dogs head, should fall under... "is just a private and personal decision". Absurd. Abortion kills one, hurts another.
@@celestejacobs7386 Then why do you have to "abort" it? If embryos aren't babies, there's no reason for you to "worry" about anything. We all know you're not that stupid. An abortion isn't like going in to get your molars or tonsils removed, or even an in-grown toenail or Lasik surgery...we all know what an abortion is doing. You just have become so calloused and brainwashed with hate that you think the developing human (regardless of stage) is nothing more than cells -- makes it so much easier to "logically" disassociate with the fact you are killing a human.
Erinashleyisabella and what about your own DNA's right to live? It is literally half of your genes that you're killing. Plus it actually *damages* the female reproductive organs, but whatever. All I know is that I wouldn't want a woman who is callous enough to kill her own child, and voluntarily turns her vagina into a graveyard/ghost factory. What sort of sick person does that?
U are confused comparing a miscarriage to abortion, when really a 'successful' abortion is when a unborn baby is alive & it dies in a abortion plus we are talking about abortion that takes a life, not a miscarriage & the life saving treatment to save a women's life as no one is purposely killing their unborn baby which is a very sad time for all family members losing their unborn baby.
Bel Mum Does denying murder take away human Rights? Does it force someone to be enslaved in their own body? Does it mean MORE sentient human beings suffer and die? I don't think so. Don't compare incomparable situations.
Savita Halappanavar was an unfortunate case in which a disease killed an unborn child, and then the mother. She was protected fully under the 8th amendment, if only the doctor had picked up on it. The child didn't kill her, her disease did.
Jujhar Bling You made your choice when you decided to have irresponsible sex. Babies bodies, babies choice. Foetus is a word used to dehumanise, they aren't humans they're just Jews, said the Nazi
Miriam Sulaiman that we can talk about, but let's not treat the vast vast majority of abortion cases with the same arguments as you would for a tiny fraction.
Jujhar Bling So you only see the child as a burden. As something to be carried around. That child has a future a plan and by saying it is unwanted or unplanned is one of the cruelest things you could say about a child. The only reason and I mean the ONLY reason abortion should be allowed is if the child's mother is at danger of death in delivering the child.
Anyone voting against the right to abort an unwanted fetus, should be on a register to receive and care for the full term baby on their doorstep at the will of the person who is forced to gestate the couple of thousand cells against their will.
Aspartame69 yes thank you!!👏🏻👏🏻 people do not get a say in the choice unless it is the mother, father or doctor. Unless no campaigners were willing to adopt the child on the spot, they do not get a say!
Most of those lazy sods are on benefits, and those are getting funded by the people that work. So I think that the poeple who voted "no" are alreay doing enough.
Lil Lexus If these people cared about where their taxes went, they would stop paying money to make people keep unwanted pregnancies. Anyway, in my experience its the people on the dole who have the most babies, its more often people who are planning a working life who need to abort an unplanned fetus.
Pro choice. CHOICE. No one will force anyone to have an abortion. Most people are probably reading a lot about abortions before having one and if you’re so keen on making choices for other people, try to convince people that your view is the right view. But not letting a woman choose for herself is just stupid
aLaa aLi not a murder if the thing can’t live outside of the moms body and if it can’t think for itself or even understand or feel that it’s getting aborted
johhny1759 you’re*. Her life is more valuable than the ”life” of an undeveloped fetus. It’s her body, her mind, her life and her right to have control over her existence.
Very well done. Both sides represented & the full conflict of points of view expressed peacefully. The presenter was thorough and considerate of such a personal & personally critical decision. Thanks. Hopefully America appreciates your struggle even more now.
Jujhar Bling if I see a homeless person I can assume their life isn’t too good. Does that mean I can rip them to shreds? Adoption is where they can go.
@@cormuinoraghallaigh1832 but arguments about the Child's future is really a decision on the Child's body..and yes they do feel. Pain .if Fetuses don't feel pain global warmings a myth and Nicotine's not addictive. But because scientist said so
@@LeahBeth_1997 Not babies, foetuses. Please be exact. Anyway, they might well die. Some women would rather be dead than give birth to a rapist's baby.
@Moby Pancake hiya I'm so for women getting to make their own decisions. But anything past the 12 weeks is so herrendous. 24 weeks! That's 6 months. Women deliver at 6 months and babies that pre mature survive. I think 12 weeks is even to far along to carry out an abortion. Maybe 5 or 6 weeks should be the latest. Women who decide to not carry on with pregnancy should have a decision by then. From someone who miscarried at 12 weeks, nó one should want to delay that long
nic .d it’s always for a reason. usually medical or severe trauma. i know it doesn’t sound nice but it is not our decision, those women are the only ones who are in their head and their body, and we need to respect them all the way .
Simon Harris was in no way the catalast for the referendum, its was the irish women, who campained tirelessly for years 🙌👏 other than that I liked it 👍
@@KimPhilby203 Yes, because advocating for equality between men and women is sooo toxic 😂🤣 I guess if your a "decent woman" you will listen to the actual toxic bullshit of people trying to make the term "feminism" something that it isint, a dirty word. There has always been negative conatations to the term Feminist, socially, which were intentionaly and falsely created to make anyone who claims to be one, out to be "crazy" or "a man hater", to deter woman from associating with feminism. I'm not saying there isint some mad people out there who also call themselves feminists but that could be said about anything. Just sad to hear this stuff from a woman. As a woman saying your not a Feminist, you are saying you do not believe in equality between men and women, your saying you believe women are not equal to men and to me I'm sorry that's what's crazy
As a good catholic I personally could never have an abortion, that being said as a good human being I would never tell someone else they could not. We each have to find our own paths.
@Shaun Parkinson I am not debating whether it is right or wrong. The church it self use to advocate abortion up until the time of quickening just a few short years ago. I am saying we as Christians have no right to push our beliefs onto non believers. As I would not want them to push their beliefs onto us. In the Bible Israel did not go into other nations and demand that they follow the rules of the Prophets. America is a melting pot of different religions and we have to respect their beliefs. This is a religious or moral issue not a legal issue. Just a few short years ago birth control of any form was against the law, putting woman into impossible situations. Watch some of the documentaries where woman were sent off and their babies taken from them (babies that they wanted) and then starved and killed after birth because they were unwanted children. It is a complicated issue I agree with that. That is why it has to be an individual descision, the same as end of life care. I personally have made it known if I am in a coma to not put in a feeding tube to keep me alive, to let me die. Yet there are others who want to fight to stay alive no matter what and that is there right, just do not subject me to the same standards. I do hear what you are saying and think there should be something in place to prevent later term abortion, you know in the first few weeks before quickening if you are pregnant this non sense of abortions after the baby is viable outside the womb is awful.
@@chickeninyeezes3759 Before you start to use that black and white argument let me educate you on this history of abortion and the early church. As late as the early 1900s abortion was legal up until the time of quickening which is basically 6 weeks along. How an abortion was performed was a woman was given natural herbs to drink that would allow the fetus to detach and the woman would just have her normal menstural cycle. Similar to the morning after pill. Then in the early 1900s male doctors and their egos did not want women going to midwifes they wanted to be in control so since at that time men were running things and they were the ones in office and the ones who voted. The next thing you know abortion is completely illegal and for some reason the church followed suite. Women had to take it to the supreme court to get their rights back but as in most things the pendulum swung too far the wrong way and now we have late term abortions which was never something the church would ever condone. If you want my personal opinion we need to go back to the way things were during the early church. No one should be allowed to have an abortion when you are so far along that the doctor has to go in vaginally and remove the fetus.
@@chickeninyeezes3759 I will respectably disagree. Are you Catholic or even intimately studied the church history. I have a degree in Religious and Catholic Studies so I was not just spouting shit.
@@aaliyahallen-sellers3547 Women's bodies are indeed created to have children. If you decide to have them or not is a whole other issue, just use things like barrier contraception and stop killing your potential offspring.
@@aaliyahallen-sellers3547 Better than nothing. If you are so terrified of having a child then here is the most obvious solution, do not have sex. If you still want to have sex and you wont use contraception, get yourself sterilized.
Ultralight Beam People like you crack me up. “Don’t have sex”, like everyone is gonna have sex like it 2020! I don’t know a single soul right now who is not having sex, and unprotected and that’s their business. Who are you to tell me/anyone what to do? I don’t even know you. 😂
Why do we never talk about the father? What about the man who wanted the baby, now it's gone. What about the man who doesn't want the baby? Is he going to be forced to support the child, or will he get to walk away free? If she is put in prison for life for having an abortion, how much time does he do in jail if he beats her into a miscarriage? Maybe the abortion issue would be easier to resolve if we included the forgotten parent.
@@UkkyUke I do believe women should be autonomous over their bodies. However, I'm invested with what happens to MY child too. If men were included, maybe we could come up with solutions that would prevent men from just walking away from their responsibilities. If a woman is charged with murder for abortion, shouldn't men be charged with murder if he beats her into a miscarriage? In my country, they are only charged with assault on a pregnant woman. Of course, abortion is still legal, but that will change soon. Don't you think men should pay all the medical bills involved with the pregnancy since you as the woman is actually risking her life during the pregnancy and childbirth? Do you think women should be shamed for premarital sex? Are men ever shamed? How many men out there have been shamed for creating an unwanted child? None? Did you think of all the benefits of not going it alone? Life isn't fair and reproduction certainly isn't. I'm not saying we'll ever be able to come up with a solution that will make it fair. I think if abortion is 100% legal, you've cut the man completely out and that isn't fair. If abortion is 100% illegal, then the woman no longer has any control over her own body or life and that isn't fair. I don't know if we can ever come up with a solution that will make everything balanced. I do know that, if men think they don't have any rights to their unborn children and aren't allowed to take part in the conversation at all, then I don't see us being able to give up trying to control women. It's how we gain autonomy over our lives. Instead, we've become polarized on the issue. We see it as black and white. The woman's right to her body and quality of life versus the potential for the fetus to actually be a life! I don't think this issue is black and white, but, how are you going to know whether or not I have a solution if I'm not even allowed into the conversation!
well one of the questions you pose already HAS a clear answer. If a man sires a child, and his partner chooses to keep and raise it on her own, he will be legally responsible for child support payments. As for the 'beating her so hard she has a miscarriage' scenario, that is a clear case of assault and battery; if she miscarries as a result, that might make the normal penalty harsher, hard to say by what degree tho.
@Shaun Parkinson Early miscarriage happens more often than you think so if I'm volunteering to have a miscarriage on purpose men do not get a say on what my body does.
@@bloodcottoncandy so why do men have to pay child support. Maybe they consented to the sex but not to the child, of you say it should be left up to women then why do men have to pay.
Ireland killed Savita and many women. The holy joes fought a conservative mission and it failed because of decency and compassion for the right to life. Their deaths are unforgivable but now we can have a new dawn.
Not to good! The precious life in the womb is screaming while he/she is being shredded. It's heart-breaking to see that these precious lives don't have the right to live.
Leah she never said she had an abortion herself, why call her a baby killer ? weird weird woman.... having respect for fellow women is not killing babies, it’s letting them choose
Choice for those who actually needed it. Im so lucky to be born without any disabilities, when my mother was pregnant with me the doctor said i might have 50% chance to be deaf/blind because my mother was infected by german measles during the pregnancy. But she made a decision after series of assessments and discussion with the doctors. "WHY NO ONE CARES ABOUT HOW WOULD THE CHILD END UP?" But only debating on YES & NO. It's definitely not fair on the child who being brought to this world if he/she is not loved by their parents/ or they might have disability when it could be prevented.
ALL MOTHERS LOVE THEIR DISABLES CHILDREN AND ALL DISABLES CHILDREN ARE WORTH BEING LOVED !! ARE YOU SAYING A DISABLES PERSON HAS LESS OF A RIGHT TO LIVE ?
In Argentina the exact same debate is taking place today. A 20 hour legislative session is happening right now, and the vote to legalize abortion or keep it illegal will happen tomorrow morning. There are 121 congessmen and women against it, 120 for the legalization and 14 still undecided, so it could literally go either way. There are protests around congress taking place right now, whereto one side you have pro life people and to the other pro choice people
I think anti-abortion people don't usually think of the problems that follow making abortion illegal. Men would be able to rape children and women to force them to carry their offspring, knowing that the rape or pedophilia victim gets punished by law if she gets an abortion illegally or won't be able to get it at all. Many times the rape victims are underage girls, even as young as nine year old children, but who have had their periods and are able to conceive, forced then by law to give birth to the rapists baby. If a rape victim is underage, she is much more likely to die from childbirth due to her body being underdeveloped. But it's risky even for an adult woman. So the little child/girl, teenage child/girl or the adult woman would maybe die giving birth and suffer even more physical and mental pain because of rapists or pedophiles? Even the women who are irresponsible in using protection and birth control (which both aren't always effective), know the aforementioned things, so probably they have mental illness, alcoholism or drug addiction, causing them to not think about protection and birth control. I think those people have probably suffered enough, and they shouldn't have to go through more pain because of an unjust law. Studies have shown, that most times the rapist is someone close and familiar to the victim, there are even many cases where the rapist is the victims own father. There are cases where a father has kept his daughter or some kidnapped girls prisoned for years and forced them to have his babies. If the pedophile father happens to want to sexually abuse and rape even the babies, who he forces his daughter or the kidnapped girl to have, that is completely made possible also, otherwise, if abortion was possible, the pedophile might actually decide to allow the abortion just so he wouldn't get caught because of a baby wailing and signaling to the neighbors that something wrong is going on. Why aren't people using their common sense and thinking things through, thinking about all aspects, if abortion becomes illegal, it gives criminals an exellent opportunity to basically breed and have rape and pedophilia victims carry their offspring without consent. You could say this to anyone who says a woman goes to hell for having an abortion. Maybe some of the people against abortion actually are rapists and pedophiles in secret. I believe that if God exists, even if the clump of cells aborted happened to be sentient and has a soul, the soul would go to God and live in heaven or be born again in this world in another body.
Why weren't the healthcare providers asked their opinions if they were willing to perform the procedures? From what I have read now, there aren't any doctors that want to do them.
I don't know how these women lived through not having the right to abortion. If there was ever a system that actually held the man accountable for this life that people are so worried about, I'd might reconsider. A kid brought up in a broken and unstable home is better? Even worse having them go through foster homes and adoption centres. How many kids are already there? People talk as if life is so easy and bringing up children is a piece of cake. I also cannot imagine the amount of anguish and pain a woman goes through if she was raped and got pregnant.
@Josie Jump actually if you don't have enough money to bring up a baby you should be responsible of your actions and don't risk to be pregnant. Parents like these are irresponsible.
..."She just said that the hardest part is that she's had to lie to her family, lie to work, make up a story as to where she's going and why she's not around for a day because she feels that she can't tell them that she's traveling to Liverpool for an abortion. Because there's a sense of stigma and she doesn't know who she can trust or who she can tell or what their reaction might be." #Humiliating #Degrading #TheFemaleExperience
These abortion promoters, liberal minions always make the aggressor turn into victims. No, the victim is, the slaughtered, burned alive or sucked through a tiny tube and then thrown into the trash, human baby. Abortion kills one, hurts annnother.
Congratulations, Ireland. Everyone should have the right to do what they want with their own bodies, and not put themselves in danger due to legal consequences to something that should be a human right. ✌🏻💖
Daniélín NicG Who said I was angry? I'm just happy the law in Ireland changed. I didn't actually vote for it because I'm English, I was just paying attention to reproductive rights in other countries. And what's with the hyperbolic statement there? I don't hate men. I literally don't even agree with the death penalty in legal systems. (Fun fact, it actually costs more money to kill prisoners with lethal injection than to just keep them in prison for life. It's fucked up imo.) Just because I think that people should have the right to terminate a pregnancy for mental health, physical health, financial purposes etc doesn't mean that I want men to die?... It seems to me like you've watched one too many extreme far left UA-camrs or watched too many "feminist" cringe compilations. Yes, I class myself as a feminist, and yes, I'm further left than most people, but I have common sense, and I also have reasonings behind what I think. Even if we disagree, there's no reason to just throw a straw man at me. My definition of feminism is simply that of believing in gender equality. It doesn't mean I want men to die, that I hate men, or that I think women are better than men. That's called misandry, and by definition, misandrists should not call themselves feminists. I'm also not too sure what my hair colour had to do with the argument. I just fancied making it green because why tf not, it has nothing to do with my political stance lmao. Anyway, I hope you have a good day. I took the time to reply to this because it confused me and I'd like to hear more from you, not because I'm angry btw ✌🏻
@@Iron_Stigmata The first part of your statement is absolutely correct. Everyone should indeed have the right to do what they want with their own bodies. Would you agree with me that nobody should have the right to do what they like with the body of another human being? If so then the only question is whether an abortion involves a woman controlling her own body or someone else's. To me the science is pretty clear. It's a separate body. The only area of a woman's body that is targeted in the case of an abortion is the area that has another human being inside it. The 'my body' argument is based on a claim that is 100% false so the argument falls apart.
@@cormuinoraghallaigh1832 Cells with no brain or central nervous system is not a human. It has the potential to develop into one, but in that moment it isn't. It's not a person.
@@Iron_Stigmata Ok. We seem to have moved on from the 'my body' argument in that case. Let's assume we agree on your last claim. At what point does the potential human being become an actual human being? Or to be more specific: at what stage would a decision on my mother's part to abort me have been wrong?
Your opinion on abortion is null and void if you don't have a uterus, If you have never gotten pregnant by rape/incest/a priest, or at a time in your life when you're not able or ready to carry a pregnancy to term, or if you are using your religious beliefs as your reason to oppose abortion and if you do not have any scientific evidence to support your opposition to abortion. As a man I have NO right to tell a woman what to do with her body in regards to pregnancy because I can never become pregnant. But mostly because I have no right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do with their body. I will never know what choice I would make about being pregnant. No one can say how they will react to a situation that they have never faced or will never be able to face. Science does not support the opinion that an unviable life is a life. Only ignorant or religious beliefs claim that abortion is murder with out any scientific evidence to support that claim.
It's a trade off really. If you don't want the baby, you can just walk away. If you beat her into having a miscarriage, you won't spend the rest of your life in prison. You will never go through the hardship of pregnancy, the pain of childbirth, and you will never die from complications of either. You want the baby, but she doesn't, then your screwed. But I agree the role and needs of the father are never mentioned in these debates.
@@jeremyeblack4987 You can't just walk away. You have to flea the country to somewhere that doesn't have an extradition treaty, if you want to get out of responsibility for fathering a child.
the idea is for women to have reproductive rights. Men certainly can be affected by abortion, but the idea that they 'have no say at all' is pretty far-fetched. Many men are fathers, and in most cases their children are both planned and and wanted.
Pro-CHOICE! So happy for you, Ireland! Better late than never, no more unneccesary suffering, everyone should have bodily autonomy and the right to choose. Edit: I'm tired of replying the same things over and over again. So here are my responses. 1. No, per definition the "baby" you are speaking of isn't alive yet. No heartbeat, no way of surviving outside the womb, no brain activity. Most of abortions are performed before these are present. Pretty much as alive as a plant at this point. Later on, that's a different discussion. 2. Can't murder something that isn't alive (see point 1.) 3. If you don't like abortions, don't have one yourself. I'm absolutely fine with you not liking abortions, my only issue is with people who think they have the right to choose for others. 4. On bodily autonomy: 1. You have total control of what is allowed to be done to your body, even after death. 2. Nobody is allowed to infringe on that right, for any reason, without your consent. This is why you can't even use someone's dead body to donate organs that would save someone's life, because you can't do that without consent from the deceased. Your organs could save 10+ people, but you are still not obligated to be a donor. Why you can't be forced to donate blood or a kidney, because you have the right to say no, even if that results in death for the other person. You are not legally obligated to use your body to save someone's life, this includes the right to not go through with a pregnancy. A fetus is using the mother's body to develop, it is attached to her, so the argument that it's a separate body is irrelevant, because it is still using her body and can't survive on its own. You are not obligated to use your body to save or sustain life against your will.
....and I would gladly take that baby with loving arms over killing it! That is because, unlike yourself, I actually value life and feel every potential life is precious and deserves to be respected. ..and I'll say whatever the hell I want because adoption is a viable option since there are thousands of loving families dying to have children. Even if they end up in a home where they can potentially have a bad experience, anything is better than murdering a baby.
Chris Rivas I value life. But I, and generally the scientific community, don't consider a fetus to be alive, yet. Every child should be wanted and get to grow up in a good environment, not forced upon someone or having to grow up in bad conditions, such as the overcrowded and in many ways flawed foster care system. If you want to talk about cruelty, that's cruelty.
D F This ^ Taking away abortions will only create more UNSAFE abortions, people will find other ways. This is what's been happening in Ireland, they even discussed it in the video.
Exactly, it flies in the face of the whole "my body, my choice" argument. You choose something you want. If you don't want an abortion, ..... you're being forced to have an abortion? But i thought it was your choice.
nobody wants to have to do that, because they didn’t want to get pregnant in the first place, or they didn’t want to be raped, or they didn’t want to become medically ill or the fetus to become medically ill, but circumstances happen. nobody thinks abortion is a nice thing that is enjoyable , it’s a necessity.
Everyone on the pro abortion side will argue about women who were sexually assaulted, or fatal fetal abnormalities but one must realise this argument is for a vast minority of cases. Unfortunately the vast, vast majority, up to 97% of abortions are carried out on healthy mothers with healthy babies. Abortion will always be wrong as its definately not right now is it. It sickened me to see women and feminist men, TDs and others jumping up and down in celebration the day this was passed. Very sad day for Ireland. I'm pro life for life.
In Italy, a catholic country, abortion is allowed. but the obstacles to get one are unimaginable high. (waiting periods of several weeks, strange time slots, doctors who don't perform abortion because of their consciousness, etc). so a change in the law doesn't mean a change for the women.
if you had 2 friends and you depended on them to care for you, 1 was a woman who had 3 abortions and the other fought for the unborn, morally what one would you trust more? the one who kills her own inside her or the one who not only would never do it but protest time and tears to save others
If women want the right to abort their child then a man should have the same equivalent right which is to walk away and not be pulled into paying child support for 18 years. It might not be the moral thing to do but you could also say that about abortion.
Anyone has the right to choose what they do with their bodies, women come from all different paths with all different reasons which is no one else’s business. The people with such strong opinions make no sense to me are they helping the women that have had babies and not been ready or wanted too and are struggling... no! Everyone is human if it doesn’t affect you’re life mind you’re business
Stacey Wells “Everyone is human.” Yes I agree. And killing humans should be illegal. We don’t have unlimited rights over our bodies. Since the government can’t read our minds, all state laws are laws which control our bodies. Can you think of a single law that doesn’t ban you from, or force you to do something with your body?
It takes a certain kind of evil to think it's justified to dismember and kill another human life! If you don't want a baby then don't have sex. If she's raped then go to the hospital and they will give you the plan b.
I have never understood the logic behind framing abortion as a battle over women's bodies. It seems be about the right to terminate the life of another body. Perhaps it's really a decision between the woman's discomfort in pregnancy and the life of the fetus. Or Perhaps what is driving this is really a feeling that it is unfair that pregnancy may be the result of sex for women but not for men. Abortion might be a way for some people to level the playing field.
@Wesley Heartland they were cheering for a woman's right to choose to do what ?clothes they want to wear ? I want to choose to murder feminists and weak cowardly cuck men , because they are screaming and spreading propaganda making society degenerate , society which I live in and by doing so they are inducing hypertension in me , which hurts my body and psychological health. So , I want the right to choose to violently gruesomely torture feminists and weak men to save my health . I am a tax payer and I have the right to choose to keep my mind and body healthy . It's my body my choice . Why am I not allowed when my own health is in trouble ?
Instead of aborting innocent baby maybe woman in Ireland should respect their body more and keep the knickers on if they are not ready to be a parent while they are sexually active and assume responsibility for a baby’s life when they get pregnant. It’s all about self respect. That’s when it really starts, that’s the core root of the problem. If girl or woman get pregnant they just can’t take that out on baby and blame baby for their mistake. It’s about paying consequences for your actions, not killings baby. Woman can give up a baby for adoption when the pregnancy end and denounce parental rights. Then should be a choice not if she can abort baby or not. The whole issue should be attract from different angle, and no one should kill unborn baby up to 6th months because human life it’s not a choice and it should be never put in this category. Young generation it’s sadly brainwashed by media and television. They use feminist slogans like:”My body, my choice”; “Stop policing my body”to prompt people to vote yes and repeal The 8th Amendment which is far beyond the truth..
Even ahead of Children. But men still last. But won't last. Because Countries that put feticide last or representative rights Last while come and overwelm irland
Abortion is a tricky topic, ethically: While it is technically killing a human being, while the baby may have a disability that it won't really last long or live at all anyway, while it is essentially the right to murder, on the other side the mother's life might be at risk, or she might not be ready to have a child and have to give up her baby as soon as it's born, which would be awful. The mother might already have too many kids, and can't handle any more, a similar situation to not being ready for a child, really. It's hard to pick a side, but maybe it's easier if you're in that situation.
One of the reasons I'm pro choice you cannot properly decide what's better unless you are in that situation nobody else can tell a woman what's best for her and probably for the fetus.
@@standup2982 As I have a full time job, am caring for elderly parents and have a serious underlying chronic health condition, none. As I was so ill and my chances of survival were not good it would not have been in the child's best interests to probably lose one of their adoptive parents so soon. Despite the poor odds I survived but I'm now too old to adopt children.
The title "The Fight For Women's Bodies ..." is the mindset of the Pro-Choice side. The mindset of the Pro-Life side is : "The Fight for Babies Lives". Each side can give examples of heartache and sorry. But in the end, objectively, Pro-Life has the higher moral standing.
Fantastic interviewer! That gavan guy is also against marriage equality for LGBTQ people - "god" knows his story was concocted for this referendum. Big time religious head he is.
@@jujharbling265 did you know men have an higher average body temperature then women can better keep others warm like Kangroo premature Baby care. Yes a woman's body is not an incubator. But do know who invented actual incubators that help premature or unwanted fetuses. That right Min!. What can we to those babies except your welcome .Women have achieved though but Ameal couldn't have Traveled the world if not for the rights BROTHERS . what say to her except your welcome
With many ways to avoid pregnancy it doesnt make sense to me why thousands of girls had to travel abroad for abortion, I know there are sad situatons its necessary, but most of the abortion cases could be avoided with prevention.. Anyway the world is already full of people who dont care about their children.. At least these babies will not have to live without mother's love..
"My body my choice" yes that all sounds good and well but the fact of the matter is it isnt your body its the babys body. What gives a woman/ her partner more rights over another human being?
Awful, I never thought I'd see the day that Ireland would legalise abortion. It's a shame,I believe that the baby is a separate body inside, a body, literally what's happening is if a woman gets pregnant 5 times and doesn't want a baby she can have 5 abortions. I've had 3 miscarriages,and those babies had heartbeats at 9 wks, how is that not a human being. It's like saying that someone in a coma should be killed because they've no brain activity, but their hearts still beating, so you wouldn't kill them that would be murder, as they have no say in the matter, abortion is murder, there are other options, it should be difficult to have an abortion, then maybe there wouldn't be so many, a plane trip to England's expensive. I know there are circumstances where women get pregnant through tragedy, but there still are other means if they don't want a baby, there are plenty of people who do, please before doing something that you might never be able to forgive yourself for, explore every option, a foetus is not just a bunch of cells it has its own unique DNA from conception,
If the "baby" is a separate entity, why does it need the mother's blood supply and nutrients to survive? Ever thought those miscarriages was a sign you shouldn't be pregnant? One woman's story: threadreaderapp.com/thread/1111847344415363073.html Adoption isn't as easy as it seems. That takes money to do. Adoption agencies are maxed out in terms of having more toddlers than infants, the preferred adoptee. Many times that toddler maxes out at age 16 then are more or less shoved out and lead lonely lives because of not being wanted.
@@diannebdee would you perform an abortion on a baby taken outside of the womb? Have you seen a baby at 6 months? You want women the have the CHOICE to end a baby that big?! Jesus man...humans. the more we progress the less common sense we have. All in the name of women's rights. The baby doesn't have a right to life? Funny how most pro abortionists are already living. So convenient to speak when you're not being torn apart piece by piece.
Wow these people are disgusting. My wife and I had to make the very difficult decision about 4 years ago. We sat down and discussed if we were ready to be parents, and ultimately we weren't. So we made the heartbreaking decision to abort our 6 year old son Timmy. We were young parents, I wanted to go on a lads trip to Ibiza that summer, and she wanted to have a nice relaxing summer chilling with the girls. Aborting our 6 year old son Timmy was the best decision we ever made, and I for one believe my wife should be recognized for her bravery and stunningness, and I should be recognized for my wokeness
@@celestejacobs7386 Not a a stupid comment at all. A 6 year old is a human in an earlier stage of development than me, the same way a fetus is simply a human life in an earlier stage of development. If you argue that something can be killed due to its developmental age, you can also make the same argument for a 6 year old
@@michaelmichael8314 Nope. A 6 year old is an actual human. It has a brain and a central nervous system. A fertilized egg is not a person. What are you nutjobs going to do next, campaign for the rights of sperm?
@@celestejacobs7386 Unborn babies don't have brains and nervous systems? Clearly you know nothing about human development. The brain and nervous system does not just suddenly appear when the baby comes out of the womb. Poor Celeste, it seems that a brain is something you are lacking
Can someone please honestly help me...I always hear Pro- Lifers say that life begins at Conception, I'd like to know if a couple has Sex and the following Day she takes the Morning after Pill is that an Abortion? Because if it is an Abortion then I know many Catholic woman who've had Abortions.
Fertilization does not occur for another 48 hours after sex. The little swimmers have to make it up past the cervix, a battlefield trying to get through that defense. Then make their way through the uterus to meet up in the Fallopian tube which is where the "big thing no one sees" happens. Implantation takes at least 72 hours since it has to float from the conception point to the implantation point in the upper wall of the uterus. So by all intents and purposes, the Morning After pill guarantees no implantation and therefore the fertilized egg is just expelled as a normal period.
@@LeahBeth_1997 It's not even alive after fertilization. It takes a further 16-20 weeks for it to be considered a life because at any point through that a miscarriage can happen. Which the religious right want to criminalize.
I think life starts at conception, but I believe that using plan b is ok, I draw the line at implantation because before that you are only doing something to your own body. Equivilant of not allowing a homeless person into house but letting them walk through your yard, after implantation is like killing a homeless person in your home after inviting them in.
This is a medical procedure. Doctors should be able to provide this service to women based on the facts of the case. I adopted a baby because I was unable to give birth myself. My sons mother made the choice to give birth to him and place him for adoption. Every woman should have the right to choose. Compassion goes a long way here. Please dont judge anyone because you dont know the circumstances in which the need for an abortion came about. Compassion goes a long way here. Forcing your views onto others is unkind at best and really just arrogant.
I tend to be pro-choice. It’s should be up to the woman to a point that is reasonable. But if you look at what a baby looks like in the womb at around 8 weeks it absolutely is a growing human. It’s hard to deny when you see it. I saw a display at a science museum of real fetuses recently. It would be easier to discuss these things if people tried to see others points of view.
A lot of anti choice organizations have made fake models that falsely depict what fetuses look like at various stages. Id do more of my own research if I were you.
I use a pregnancy app to track my pregnancy. It is very hard to dispute that the growing embryo is a distinct human life. I can't in my right mind claim the life growing inside me is my body because it simply isn't. The app gives updates about the development going on. This app is not pro choice or pro life. It's just an app. Whether we are religious or not, science says it is a life. It is not a cancerous clump of cells, is is purposefully growing into smt, it is how we all started. I personally believe abortion should not be used as contraception but only when medically needed. Inconvenience cannot be a reason to end another life. We need to be more responsible about the choices we make so that we aren't in situations where we need to end a life. If anything we should be coming up with laws to hold fathers more accountable for the lives they conceive and help support women who end up alone dealing with unplanned pregnancies. We need to rally behind each other and find good solutions. Making the life growing inside us pay for what's wrong in society, I don't know if that's healing us or making us more sick as a people.
@@dianahe2814 Humans are defined by brain life. Nothing that doesn't have sentience or a brain can be considered a human. No matter what it looks like, an embryo is not a person. No brain, no human. Women's rights are paramount.
I am a Christian, i support pro life, i have no problem with abortion because i dont have sex before marriage. And even if i am pregnant before marriage, i will keep the baby because its against the Bible and murder is sin. Now, if a woman repents from such abortion, God still loves her and He will forgive her with open arms
Our bodies our choice just like my dad say if a woman doesn’t want a baby she has the right to abort it I respect women decision even though I don’t believe in abortions
It takes a certain kind of evil to think it's justified to dismember and kill another human life! If you don't want a baby then don't have sex. If she's raped then go to the hospital and they will give you the plan b.
First: they pull one little leg.... then another little leg... Followed by the little arms and the head. Lastly: doctor proceeds to write down how many parts were pulled out of the “mother” “effer” to keep “her” safe and to keep accounts. Thank you momma I’m glad your safe.... but what about me?
Flederloewin watch Dr. levantino destroys abortion vídeo and take what I just wrote coming from a dr. Who practiced abortion. Thank you for commenting.
Celeste Jacobs well first of all you said most which still leaves many others that don’t happen the way you’re explaining. Even if you give percentage it wouldn’t be accurate because there’s many illegal abortions happening. And second I took what I said from a doctor who performed many abortions and stopped doing it. So I don’t think is really my lack of education. What I said it’s happening whether you want to admit it or not.
@@sorrito7 Levantino is piece of shit. Ive already seen many of his talks. He performed thousands of second and third trimester abortions and the only thing that prompted him to stop was when his daughter was hit by a car and killed. So he basically let his own personal tragedy interfere with his work, which is selfish and unprofessional. If he felt what he was doing was wrong it wouldn't have taken an event like that for him to realize it. Over 90 percent of abortions are performed in the first trimester. If they are performed later it is usually due to a severe fetal abnormality. Dr. Levantinos video are misleading because they grossly exaggerate the reality of what a typical abortion is actually like. There is no "baby" in the beginning, in fact 50 to 80 percent of embryos spontaneously abort themselves without women even knowing that they are pregnant.
As a man born & raised in the Republic of Ireland i was and still am disgusted that this law had passed and even more disgusted by the people from my home country that celebrated this shame on all who voted yes & celebrated when it passed. May god rest the souls of the murderd unborn children
@@culeluke9953 so your telling me if a woman is raped she should suffer from the wrong doing of the man who done it by being forced to have a baby she doesn’t want and be reminded of the rapist every time she sees it? It’s not murder it’s a woman’s right and it should be a choice a personal choice and people like shouldn’t be telling people what to do it’s not of your business or anyone else’s.
@@copyer9088 the man in question should be punished for the rape not the child in question. You don't blame a son for the sins of his father & you ignored my 2nd question.
@@culeluke9953 I didn’t see your 2nd question so I’ll answer it for you now. A woman is a female human being or creature. In my home country up until recently if a woman was to have an abortion she would get a life sentence in prison unless her life is at risk the rapist would only get about 8 years longer depending on the offence. So that just shows it should be a choice not having access to free, safe and legal abortions in a country is dated and anti woman. I don’t see why the woman should have to suffer from the rapist wrong doing and give birth to baby who she doesn’t want in addition to be reminded of the offender every time she looks or thinks about it. A woman comes before an unborn child. You ignored my last points about how having an abortion is not of your business or anyone else it’s the woman’s choice alone and no one else’s you shouldn’t be telling people what to do with a pregnancy as you don’t know what the circumstances are with the woman are your not the one having the baby. she might not feel she is ready to become a mother yet, she might too young or in school, not working and unable to afford care for the baby or look after it properly. No woman should be forced to have a pregnancy that she doesn’t want. If you don’t want or support abortions that’s fine don’t get one but forcing that view on others and preventing them from getting the heath care they need or stoping them from doing what they want is wrong. Abortion being legal is not forcing you or anyone else to have an abortion as again that is your decision, and nobody else’s. making abortion legal is making it so woman in that given country have access to free safe and legal abortions if needed. It’s a woman’s right and it’s what’s best for everyone.
Through the prayers of St Patrick, may God have mercy on Ireland. I was there a few weeks before the referendum, and hoped they would make the right decision. Instead, they chose to worship baal. May God have mercy on us, drenched as we are in the blood of innocent children, which cries to Him for vengeance.
Kyrie Eleison! Christe Eleison! Kyrie Eleison! God protect Your unborn children, Lord have mercy on women groomed into thinking they need an abortion, Holy Spirit, fill everyone with understanding and wisdom as regards the unborn children in our world and the dignity of all people, men, women, and children, of all states in life. Amen.
As an irish person i was horrified that CHILDREN were brought along on these protests... they have no idea what they are rallying for...
Maybe were an ingorant child Left in the dark who only thought of candy. Not of other being like animals or babies. But I Know exactly what was against.and from a pro Feticide family. Are against home ultrasound on smartphones. Or even feelings pregnant belly. What say abortion survivors
The right for life. You have it and so do I.
Yeah. Much like children being forced to carry placards depicting supposed aborted fetuses by right-to-lifers pretending to care for children.
Many of our brainwashed liberal students have no idea what they are rallying for either. They think in PC slogans.
Children just shouldn't be brought to any rally whatsoever. It's like you said, they have no idea of what's going on, so what's the bloody point. That goes for both sides of the rally.
"Abortion will never help a woman" m8 it will if it means she won't die during childbirth
Very Snazzy why do you people always have to use the 0.1% of cases? In the vast majority of them she won’t die and if she is then I think that’s the only time it should be legal.
JoshV 93 Do you understand the concept of humour? That I made a joke, made clear, in this case, by my use of "m8."
Very Snazzy, since your username isn’t exactly, well, smart, “m8” could easily be interpreted as your grammar. It wasn’t as clear a joke as perhaps you thought it was, to a stranger.
Which the rate of abortions performed because it the baby posed a danger to the mother is less the .1% percent, but lets make a deal. The only time a woman can kill her unborn child is when that baby can prove fatal to her at birth. Deal?
Chris Rivas Yes, or if the baby's in such a state that it'll die upon birth, or that it'll be so disabled it won't last long or want to die?
"I don't want to force anyone to do anything", yet he wants women to give birth even if they don't want to?
how about if you don't want a child don't get pregnant...........que rape reply, if abortion was legalized for rape, it wouldn't be enough. it was about on demand....rape was used as emotive blackmail. 99% are not because of rape. give it a few years the 12 wk limit will be "sexist"
Abortion is murder whatever the women’s reasons majority of the time they do not justify killing her own children for fs
kay
i know that it's not only about rape??? there can be more reasons for a woman to need an abortion
We don’t even kill rapists we put them in prison for 12 years or so. So why we killing an innocent baby for the actions of the father is my issue 🤨
Only persons business on abortion should be a doctor and patient. Not politics and religion.
D F it's non of the babies business
Daniel Bostock nope.
So sad that some people hate themselves & their unborn baby so much that they want to kill their own offspring.
But they do hate themselves to advocate to kill some of their own unborn babies.
Bel Mum They don't hate themselves, they love themselves and others so much they don't want to force them through physical and mental suffering!
The fundamental thing the no campaigners were ignoring was that the abortions were happening regardless, it's just they were either happening in an unsafe and technically illegal way, or they were happening outside of the country.
No campaigners were well aware abortions were happening, but due to it being illegal in Ireland the numbers were far lower than the likes of our European counterparts, the no campaigners recognized that the legalization of abortion has always led to the number of abortions increasing. Plus just because something happens does that mean we should legalize it? by that logic should we legalize things like fraud, robbery and other murders because they happen anyway? I mean how stupid is that argument And abortions can't be called 'safe' a human is killed during one and abortions in countries which provide 'safe and legal' ones can be botched, look into the botched abortions of Marie Stope's clinics. Plus some pro-lifers would like to make it illegal again for women to travel for an abortions therefore you can't trip us up on the argument of ' you don't mind them happening abroad.'
I know a lot of bias news outlets ran that headline, but it's simply untrue, abortions can carry many risks, abortion is an unnatural procedure, child birth is not women have been giving birth for thousands of years, are you denying that there is botched abortions, look into the botched abortions of planned parenthood and Maries Stopes
The law doesn't apply to women.
Paedophilia is happening. People travel abroad for it because the laws forbid it. Lets legalise it and make it safe. Lets change the laws. Same arguments being used here but its a no. Abortion is the act of killing and it is the ultimate form of child abuse.
True but now it’s legal and being promoted across the country the numbers of them will increase.
Pro choice is called pro choice not pro abortion because we are giving women the choice ; keep the baby, abort the baby, do whatever you want. You are the mother and you get to make the choice on what is best
Right Winger I'm guessing you are a male, all I can say is that you are lucky that you will never be in that situation where you yourself will have to decide
Right Winger your previous comment won't load so I am presuming you deleted your comment. From what I read, yes I do deserve to have a say over my body and what I choose to do with it, as you do with yours. And no, supporting repeal does not mean I support terrorism, of any kind, so I would appreciate if you didn't try to put words in my mouth☺️
and I believe you were looking for the word foetus, not baby
Right Winger that's your choice & your opinion. I 100% respect that, that is your choice, choice being the key word
Right Winger can you explain how it is hypocritical please?
My friend travelled to Marie Stopes in Liverpool when she was 17. She was sexually abused as a child and was told she could never have children. So she was surprised when she fell pregnant. Marie Stopes staff treated her horrendously because she was from NI. Once she had the procedure, an hour later they told her to leave the clinic. She travelled back to NI on the same day and had a painful recovery. 2 weeks later she was rushed to the Royal hospital and a scan showed that the abortion failed and the baby's heart was still beating but the fetus was deformed. They had to perform emergency surgery. NI and Irish people should not have to leave their country to have an abortion. It's vile treatment.
Yes so best to stop abortions altogether. Before the 8th was repealed there was approx 2,700 abortions per year carried out in UK. Now since repeal 8,500 carried out in Ireland. Not good.
This is such a private, personal decision. The only way the government should interfere with this is to make sure these places are safe and sanitary and follow medical standards. I don't want to see Society go backwards and for people to die having to either do this themselves or go to someplace that doesn't follow the standards a medical facility has to by law. Very scary and very, very unfortunate.
@Maria Aquos I agree for the most part, but it should still be a legal option for women that are NOT in their 3rd trimester. Like Hannah says a couple comments down, it just prevents unsafe, illegal, practices. This was a major victory for women regardless of what year the case was won. It was put before supreme court and that should be the end of it. It's a hard enough decision to make without a woman being considered a criminal for making that very hard and private choice. I don't want the gov't interfering with my very personal body functions or my choices. It won't stop abortions from happening. Hillary was and is an abomination, who's impotence caused the deaths of many good people in Benghazi. I have zero respect for the wsub-human or any of her policies. It's all fine and dandy to have the chemical alternative but it can't be a woman's only option. And there are people who for wtvr reason, may not have birth control as an option. This is a last resort. I think of a young girl whose parents are in denial that their son or daughter is sexually active at all, and said person finds themself in such a desperate situation, or a working professional, who can't take two or three days laying around sick & miserable in the bed, but can maybe manage to take one day off to have their termination in a safe, legal, sterile, gov't sanctioned Drs office/ medical environment. To say its not an option or take this option away would be stupid as well as potentially fatal to said person and going backwards. This fight was won and should be a done deal.
@Andy Orwell, so you are pro choice then?
Embryos are not babies.
Joann. Not even chopping your own dogs head, should fall under... "is just a private and personal decision". Absurd.
Abortion kills one, hurts another.
@@celestejacobs7386 Then why do you have to "abort" it? If embryos aren't babies, there's no reason for you to "worry" about anything. We all know you're not that stupid. An abortion isn't like going in to get your molars or tonsils removed, or even an in-grown toenail or Lasik surgery...we all know what an abortion is doing. You just have become so calloused and brainwashed with hate that you think the developing human (regardless of stage) is nothing more than cells -- makes it so much easier to "logically" disassociate with the fact you are killing a human.
I'm so glad we won our fight for the basic right to choose
Erinashleyisabella and what about your own DNA's right to live? It is literally half of your genes that you're killing. Plus it actually *damages* the female reproductive organs, but whatever.
All I know is that I wouldn't want a woman who is callous enough to kill her own child, and voluntarily turns her vagina into a graveyard/ghost factory. What sort of sick person does that?
Was the exact same argument for slavery
Abortion feels wrong, therefore it must be wrong , imagine if jesus was aborted
I will never understand people like you...
Erinashleyisabella choose murder.. it isnt women's rights it's taken away life and human rights of someone who is weaker than you.
IT IS MURDER!!
Laws don't prevent abortion, they prevent safe abortions
Laws don't prevent murder too, so should we legalize that too.
Bel Mum having abortion legalised prevents easily preventable deaths, like Savita Halappanavar
U are confused comparing a miscarriage to abortion, when really a 'successful' abortion is when a unborn baby is alive & it dies in a abortion plus we are talking about abortion that takes a life, not a miscarriage & the life saving treatment to save a women's life as no one is purposely killing their unborn baby which is a very sad time for all family members losing their unborn baby.
Bel Mum Does denying murder take away human Rights? Does it force someone to be enslaved in their own body? Does it mean MORE sentient human beings suffer and die? I don't think so. Don't compare incomparable situations.
Savita Halappanavar was an unfortunate case in which a disease killed an unborn child, and then the mother. She was protected fully under the 8th amendment, if only the doctor had picked up on it. The child didn't kill her, her disease did.
At the end of the day is the women choice, there gonna be carrying it and raise it.
Let them pick
Jujhar Bling You made your choice when you decided to have irresponsible sex. Babies bodies, babies choice.
Foetus is a word used to dehumanise, they aren't humans they're just Jews, said the Nazi
Miriam Sulaiman that we can talk about, but let's not treat the vast vast majority of abortion cases with the same arguments as you would for a tiny fraction.
Jujhar Bling So you only see the child as a burden. As something to be carried around. That child has a future a plan and by saying it is unwanted or unplanned is one of the cruelest things you could say about a child.
The only reason and I mean the ONLY reason abortion should be allowed is if the child's mother is at danger of death in delivering the child.
Except I have to pay for their choice through my tax money and social healthcare, wheres my right to choose.
*It's called murder.*
Anyone voting against the right to abort an unwanted fetus, should be on a register to receive and care for the full term baby on their doorstep at the will of the person who is forced to gestate the couple of thousand cells against their will.
Aspartame69 yes thank you!!👏🏻👏🏻 people do not get a say in the choice unless it is the mother, father or doctor. Unless no campaigners were willing to adopt the child on the spot, they do not get a say!
Most of those lazy sods are on benefits, and those are getting funded by the people that work. So I think that the poeple who voted "no" are alreay doing enough.
Lil Lexus not necessarily in every case, tbh I don't know if people on the Dol actually have the money for an abortion
Lil Lexus If these people cared about where their taxes went, they would stop paying money to make people keep unwanted pregnancies. Anyway, in my experience its the people on the dole who have the most babies, its more often people who are planning a working life who need to abort an unplanned fetus.
Where i live if u are on the dole it cost $100 for a abortion, the tax payers pays the rest for someones 'choice'.
Pro choice. CHOICE. No one will force anyone to have an abortion. Most people are probably reading a lot about abortions before having one and if you’re so keen on making choices for other people, try to convince people that your view is the right view. But not letting a woman choose for herself is just stupid
Spicy what if her choice ends the life of someone else...should we sanction murder bc of the women's mistake of not using contraception
aLaa aLi not a murder if the thing can’t live outside of the moms body and if it can’t think for itself or even understand or feel that it’s getting aborted
La Rochelle if you see it that way, then yes
Spicy Choose for herself to kill another member of the human race? No! Your wrong.
johhny1759 you’re*. Her life is more valuable than the ”life” of an undeveloped fetus. It’s her body, her mind, her life and her right to have control over her existence.
Very well done. Both sides represented & the full conflict of points of view expressed peacefully. The presenter was thorough and considerate of such a personal & personally critical decision. Thanks. Hopefully America appreciates your struggle even more now.
Who's gonna raise the unwanted baby ?
it's gonna have a horrible upbringing let the people choose
Jujhar Bling there’s a thing called adoption where the baby can find a good family, I know plenty of happy people that were adopted.
Jujhar Bling if I see a homeless person I can assume their life isn’t too good. Does that mean I can rip them to shreds? Adoption is where they can go.
So kill your child instead of taking responsibility for your actions and offspring?
Emily Elizabeth how many countless killed are stuck in foster care ????
Adoption is a slow process
1984 IsHere tbh I don't really care too much what people do with themself, just my thought.
Yeah kill it if you want to put it like that .
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Women have the right to choose what happens with their own bodies.
but babies have no rights. Funny. Murderers have more rights to their own lives than the most innocent of humans, unborn babies, do.
Would you like to of gotten aborted if your mother didn’t want you?
Absolutely right. Well said. And they should have no right to decide what to do with the body of any other human being. I'm glad we agree on that.
@@cormuinoraghallaigh1832 but arguments about the Child's future is really a decision on the Child's body..and yes they do feel. Pain .if Fetuses don't feel pain global warmings a myth and Nicotine's not addictive. But because scientist said so
Chris Rivas ok so they have a right so they can lives outside the woman’s body then they can breath eat shit themselves then
Don't force a woman to have a rapist's baby.
Where are all these rapists?
@Buffy McMuffin Actually even rapists still breathe!
@@LeahBeth_1997 Maybe, but that 0.01% would still be affected if anti-abortion laws came in.
@@LeahBeth_1997 Not babies, foetuses. Please be exact. Anyway, they might well die. Some women would rather be dead than give birth to a rapist's baby.
I'm Irish. And it's almost a year since abortion was legalised and women are still travelling to the UK
Why?
WTF?
Tell us why
@Moby Pancake hiya I'm so for women getting to make their own decisions. But anything past the 12 weeks is so herrendous. 24 weeks! That's 6 months. Women deliver at 6 months and babies that pre mature survive. I think 12 weeks is even to far along to carry out an abortion. Maybe 5 or 6 weeks should be the latest. Women who decide to not carry on with pregnancy should have a decision by then. From someone who miscarried at 12 weeks, nó one should want to delay that long
nic .d it’s always for a reason. usually medical or severe trauma. i know it doesn’t sound nice but it is not our decision, those women are the only ones who are in their head and their body, and we need to respect them all the way .
No mention of the lack of choice when it comes to maternity care that was also part of this referendum not just abortion
Simon Harris was in no way the catalast for the referendum, its was the irish women, who campained tirelessly for years 🙌👏 other than that I liked it 👍
Feminism is now so Toxic , most of us decent women want nothing to do with the very Word...
@@KimPhilby203 Yes, because advocating for equality between men and women is sooo toxic 😂🤣 I guess if your a "decent woman" you will listen to the actual toxic bullshit of people trying to make the term "feminism" something that it isint, a dirty word. There has always been negative conatations to the term Feminist, socially, which were intentionaly and falsely created to make anyone who claims to be one, out to be "crazy" or "a man hater", to deter woman from associating with feminism.
I'm not saying there isint some mad people out there who also call themselves feminists but that could be said about anything.
Just sad to hear this stuff from a woman.
As a woman saying your not a Feminist, you are saying you do not believe in equality between men and women, your saying you believe women are not equal to men and to me I'm sorry that's what's crazy
I’ve watched most of your documentaries after seeing fake homeless, keep up the good work Ellie we need more people like you.
The greatness of a nation can be judged by how it treats its weakest members
Well said. Soon it will be overrun by Islamic radicals as well who will point to this as why.
Its 2019, are saying women aren't equal to men?
unborn babies are literally not members of a nation
What an insightful saying!
See, an embryo is not a child, so it's not a member of any society
As a good catholic I personally could never have an abortion, that being said as a good human being I would never tell someone else they could not. We each have to find our own paths.
@Shaun Parkinson Help yourself if that is what floats your boat.
@Shaun Parkinson I am not debating whether it is right or wrong. The church it self use to advocate abortion up until the time of quickening just a few short years ago. I am saying we as Christians have no right to push our beliefs onto non believers. As I would not want them to push their beliefs onto us. In the Bible Israel did not go into other nations and demand that they follow the rules of the Prophets. America is a melting pot of different religions and we have to respect their beliefs. This is a religious or moral issue not a legal issue. Just a few short years ago birth control of any form was against the law, putting woman into impossible situations. Watch some of the documentaries where woman were sent off and their babies taken from them (babies that they wanted) and then starved and killed after birth because they were unwanted children. It is a complicated issue I agree with that. That is why it has to be an individual descision, the same as end of life care. I personally have made it known if I am in a coma to not put in a feeding tube to keep me alive, to let me die. Yet there are others who want to fight to stay alive no matter what and that is there right, just do not subject me to the same standards. I do hear what you are saying and think there should be something in place to prevent later term abortion, you know in the first few weeks before quickening if you are pregnant this non sense of abortions after the baby is viable outside the womb is awful.
@@chickeninyeezes3759 Before you start to use that black and white argument let me educate you on this history of abortion and the early church. As late as the early 1900s abortion was legal up until the time of quickening which is basically 6 weeks along. How an abortion was performed was a woman was given natural herbs to drink that would allow the fetus to detach and the woman would just have her normal menstural cycle. Similar to the morning after pill. Then in the early 1900s male doctors and their egos did not want women going to midwifes they wanted to be in control so since at that time men were running things and they were the ones in office and the ones who voted. The next thing you know abortion is completely illegal and for some reason the church followed suite. Women had to take it to the supreme court to get their rights back but as in most things the pendulum swung too far the wrong way and now we have late term abortions which was never something the church would ever condone. If you want my personal opinion we need to go back to the way things were during the early church. No one should be allowed to have an abortion when you are so far along that the doctor has to go in vaginally and remove the fetus.
@@chickeninyeezes3759 I will respectably disagree. Are you Catholic or even intimately studied the church history. I have a degree in Religious and Catholic Studies so I was not just spouting shit.
Then you aren't a real catholic.
“We were made to bear children” the girl at 22:10 says a lot about the mentality and the role of women in this country.
Ma Z we are not “made’” to bear children. you don’t have to give birth as a women. like women who don’t want kids, they don’t want to have them.
@@aaliyahallen-sellers3547 Women's bodies are indeed created to have children. If you decide to have them or not is a whole other issue, just use things like barrier contraception and stop killing your potential offspring.
Ultralight Beam Contraceptions are 100% effective though.
@@aaliyahallen-sellers3547 Better than nothing. If you are so terrified of having a child then here is the most obvious solution, do not have sex. If you still want to have sex and you wont use contraception, get yourself sterilized.
Ultralight Beam People like you crack me up. “Don’t have sex”, like everyone is gonna have sex like it 2020! I don’t know a single soul right now who is not having sex, and unprotected and that’s their business. Who are you to tell me/anyone what to do? I don’t even know you. 😂
And america is going backwards while the workd moves forward
I was 6 months too young to vote, but I could not be prouder of the outcome in Ireland, this was well over due 💓
Olivia Hegarty - probably a good thing you couldn’t vote since your grammar skills are limited. You should use the term “too” instead of “to”.
Amy Mullan thanks for pointing out that mistake, I actually have grammatical issues☺️
Olivia Hegarty - Np
Livia weren't you supposed to be in your 18th year ? unless you'll be 18 next year
+Olivia Hegarty maybe we should vote to kill over grammar? sound fair enough?
Why do we never talk about the father? What about the man who wanted the baby, now it's gone. What about the man who doesn't want the baby? Is he going to be forced to support the child, or will he get to walk away free? If she is put in prison for life for having an abortion, how much time does he do in jail if he beats her into a miscarriage? Maybe the abortion issue would be easier to resolve if we included the forgotten parent.
why do we need to talk about people who can't get pregnant when we want to determine whether a person should have full autonomy over their own body?
@@UkkyUke I do believe women should be autonomous over their bodies. However, I'm invested with what happens to MY child too. If men were included, maybe we could come up with solutions that would prevent men from just walking away from their responsibilities. If a woman is charged with murder for abortion, shouldn't men be charged with murder if he beats her into a miscarriage? In my country, they are only charged with assault on a pregnant woman. Of course, abortion is still legal, but that will change soon.
Don't you think men should pay all the medical bills involved with the pregnancy since you as the woman is actually risking her life during the pregnancy and childbirth? Do you think women should be shamed for premarital sex? Are men ever shamed? How many men out there have been shamed for creating an unwanted child? None?
Did you think of all the benefits of not going it alone? Life isn't fair and reproduction certainly isn't. I'm not saying we'll ever be able to come up with a solution that will make it fair. I think if abortion is 100% legal, you've cut the man completely out and that isn't fair. If abortion is 100% illegal, then the woman no longer has any control over her own body or life and that isn't fair. I don't know if we can ever come up with a solution that will make everything balanced. I do know that, if men think they don't have any rights to their unborn children and aren't allowed to take part in the conversation at all, then I don't see us being able to give up trying to control women. It's how we gain autonomy over our lives. Instead, we've become polarized on the issue. We see it as black and white. The woman's right to her body and quality of life versus the potential for the fetus to actually be a life! I don't think this issue is black and white, but, how are you going to know whether or not I have a solution if I'm not even allowed into the conversation!
well one of the questions you pose already HAS a clear answer. If a man sires a child, and his partner chooses to keep and raise it on her own, he will be legally responsible for child support payments. As for the 'beating her so hard she has a miscarriage' scenario, that is a clear case of assault and battery; if she miscarries as a result, that might make the normal penalty harsher, hard to say by what degree tho.
well if the father wants the baby so much why doesn't he get pregnant himself?
The thing I don't understand, why does any man get to vote on abortion bills? It should be purely women.
@Shaun Parkinson Early miscarriage happens more often than you think so if I'm volunteering to have a miscarriage on purpose men do not get a say on what my body does.
@@bloodcottoncandy so why do men have to pay child support. Maybe they consented to the sex but not to the child, of you say it should be left up to women then why do men have to pay.
If it should be purely women then they can forget any financial contribution to a child's upbringing.
@@hammyhog4748 Good, no woman wants a deadbeat dad anyway for their kids
@@bloodcottoncandy So what next as an authority on voting rights do you think only certain people should be allowed on to vote on?
Ireland killed Savita and many women. The holy joes fought a conservative mission and it failed because of decency and compassion for the right to life. Their deaths are unforgivable but now we can have a new dawn.
Savita was an illegal immigrant.
@@greenbaygirl1447 Savita was a dentist and in no way illegal.
She died of blood poisoning. And abortion WOULD NOT have saved her life
@@greenbaygirl1447 how she was a legal citizen of Ireland
Bullshit Savita didn't die from not having an abortion, led a media lie like everyone
I'm literally crying! This feels like such a big win for women! Good job Ireland! We are so proud of you!!
Natasha Agree
You are so stupid it hurts....
Not to good! The precious life in the womb is screaming while he/she is being shredded. It's heart-breaking to see that these precious lives don't have the right to live.
I'm literally crying! This feels like such a big loss for babies! Bad job Ireland! We are so ashamed of you!!
Leah she never said she had an abortion herself, why call her a baby killer ? weird weird woman.... having respect for fellow women is not killing babies, it’s letting them choose
Choice for those who actually needed it. Im so lucky to be born without any disabilities, when my mother was pregnant with me the doctor said i might have 50% chance to be deaf/blind because my mother was infected by german measles during the pregnancy. But she made a decision after series of assessments and discussion with the doctors.
"WHY NO ONE CARES ABOUT HOW WOULD THE CHILD END UP?"
But only debating on YES & NO. It's definitely not fair on the child who being brought to this world if he/she is not loved by their parents/ or they might have disability when it could be prevented.
ALL MOTHERS LOVE THEIR DISABLES CHILDREN AND ALL DISABLES CHILDREN ARE WORTH BEING LOVED !! ARE YOU SAYING A DISABLES PERSON HAS LESS OF A RIGHT TO LIVE ?
Eugenics
In Argentina the exact same debate is taking place today. A 20 hour legislative session is happening right now, and the vote to legalize abortion or keep it illegal will happen tomorrow morning. There are 121 congessmen and women against it, 120 for the legalization and 14 still undecided, so it could literally go either way. There are protests around congress taking place right now, whereto one side you have pro life people and to the other pro choice people
how is Miss the Kirchner doing these day
So what was decided
@@z9454 Just looked it up, it is legal within the first 14 weeks.
I think anti-abortion people don't usually think of the problems that follow making abortion illegal. Men would be able to rape children and women to force them to carry their offspring, knowing that the rape or pedophilia victim gets punished by law if she gets an abortion illegally or won't be able to get it at all.
Many times the rape victims are underage girls, even as young as nine year old children, but who have had their periods and are able to conceive, forced then by law to give birth to the rapists baby.
If a rape victim is underage, she is much more likely to die from childbirth due to her body being underdeveloped. But it's risky even for an adult woman. So the little child/girl, teenage child/girl or the adult woman would maybe die giving birth and suffer even more physical and mental pain because of rapists or pedophiles?
Even the women who are irresponsible in using protection and birth control (which both aren't always effective), know the aforementioned things, so probably they have mental illness, alcoholism or drug addiction, causing them to not think about protection and birth control. I think those people have probably suffered enough, and they shouldn't have to go through more pain because of an unjust law.
Studies have shown, that most times the rapist is someone close and familiar to the victim, there are even many cases where the rapist is the victims own father. There are cases where a father has kept his daughter or some kidnapped girls prisoned for years and forced them to have his babies. If the pedophile father happens to want to sexually abuse and rape even the babies, who he forces his daughter or the kidnapped girl to have, that is completely made possible also, otherwise, if abortion was possible, the pedophile might actually decide to allow the abortion just so he wouldn't get caught because of a baby wailing and signaling to the neighbors that something wrong is going on.
Why aren't people using their common sense and thinking things through, thinking about all aspects, if abortion becomes illegal, it gives criminals an exellent opportunity to basically breed and have rape and pedophilia victims carry their offspring without consent. You could say this to anyone who says a woman goes to hell for having an abortion. Maybe some of the people against abortion actually are rapists and pedophiles in secret.
I believe that if God exists, even if the clump of cells aborted happened to be sentient and has a soul, the soul would go to God and live in heaven or be born again in this world in another body.
Power to those women! I'm happy that they finally got the right to do with their bodies what they choose to do.
Vanessa...That's just evil.
Vanessa its not their body
Bel Mum Denying suffering of women is so heartless!
& failing to see nothing wrong with killing unborn babies - now that's heartless
Well, I would wanna kill myself if I ever got pregnant, so would you rather have a dead mother and fetus or just a dead fetus?
Why weren't the healthcare providers asked their opinions if they were willing to perform the procedures? From what I have read now, there aren't any doctors that want to do them.
Yeah but mainly because they don't want to have protesters lining up in front of their practice and sending them death threats
With everything happening in Texas right now, we need this kind of energy. Made me cry
Thank God for Texas banning the murder of children by their parents
Abortion is murder. Fact.
To women in America, my love from England 🇬🇧
Women & girls have the right to choose.
Choose to kill babies? Nah.
Yes they do.
@Comment ça va? show me the official stats of that happening.
I don't know how these women lived through not having the right to abortion. If there was ever a system that actually held the man accountable for this life that people are so worried about, I'd might reconsider.
A kid brought up in a broken and unstable home is better? Even worse having them go through foster homes and adoption centres. How many kids are already there?
People talk as if life is so easy and bringing up children is a piece of cake.
I also cannot imagine the amount of anguish and pain a woman goes through if she was raped and got pregnant.
ghosting101 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻
Bout to be reminded in America.
Simon Harris was not the catalyst, the women of the Ireland were.
yeah but he was the architect
Reason Men are ignoring us decent Women is because of people like you...grow up
Demons were the catalyst for this murderous endeavor
To actually think people actually fight for the right to kill innocent babies. What a sad world
So you would rather a child live in unsafe conditions where parents can not provide for them then them dying peacefully in the womb
To be so uneducated and delusional to actually believe that a fetus is a child. What a sad world
@@josiejump2072 👏
@@annacarrie1150 Right! 😂
@Josie Jump actually if you don't have enough money to bring up a baby you should be responsible of your actions and don't risk to be pregnant. Parents like these are irresponsible.
..."She just said that the hardest part is that she's had to lie to her family, lie to work, make up a story as to where she's going and why she's not around for a day because she feels that she can't tell them that she's traveling to Liverpool for an abortion. Because there's a sense of stigma and she doesn't know who she can trust or who she can tell or what their reaction might be." #Humiliating #Degrading #TheFemaleExperience
The Resistance of killing a baby wasn’t the hard part. Then I think you should really rethink you’re stance
These abortion promoters, liberal minions always make the aggressor turn into victims. No, the victim is, the slaughtered, burned alive or sucked through a tiny tube and then thrown into the trash, human baby.
Abortion kills one, hurts annnother.
If you have a penis, your opinion is irrelevant.
Man In The Sky vs Women's rights. Common sense wins 🏆
Congratulations, Ireland. Everyone should have the right to do what they want with their own bodies, and not put themselves in danger due to legal consequences to something that should be a human right. ✌🏻💖
wow what a surprise an angry green haired feminist votes for abortion, whats next? hang the men?
Daniélín NicG Who said I was angry? I'm just happy the law in Ireland changed. I didn't actually vote for it because I'm English, I was just paying attention to reproductive rights in other countries.
And what's with the hyperbolic statement there? I don't hate men. I literally don't even agree with the death penalty in legal systems. (Fun fact, it actually costs more money to kill prisoners with lethal injection than to just keep them in prison for life. It's fucked up imo.) Just because I think that people should have the right to terminate a pregnancy for mental health, physical health, financial purposes etc doesn't mean that I want men to die?...
It seems to me like you've watched one too many extreme far left UA-camrs or watched too many "feminist" cringe compilations. Yes, I class myself as a feminist, and yes, I'm further left than most people, but I have common sense, and I also have reasonings behind what I think. Even if we disagree, there's no reason to just throw a straw man at me. My definition of feminism is simply that of believing in gender equality. It doesn't mean I want men to die, that I hate men, or that I think women are better than men. That's called misandry, and by definition, misandrists should not call themselves feminists.
I'm also not too sure what my hair colour had to do with the argument. I just fancied making it green because why tf not, it has nothing to do with my political stance lmao.
Anyway, I hope you have a good day. I took the time to reply to this because it confused me and I'd like to hear more from you, not because I'm angry btw ✌🏻
@@Iron_Stigmata The first part of your statement is absolutely correct. Everyone should indeed have the right to do what they want with their own bodies. Would you agree with me that nobody should have the right to do what they like with the body of another human being? If so then the only question is whether an abortion
involves a woman controlling her own body or someone else's. To me the science is pretty clear. It's a separate body. The only area of a woman's body that is targeted in the case of an abortion is the area that has another human being inside it. The 'my body' argument is based on a claim that is 100% false so the argument
falls apart.
@@cormuinoraghallaigh1832 Cells with no brain or central nervous system is not a human. It has the potential to develop into one, but in that moment it isn't. It's not a person.
@@Iron_Stigmata Ok. We seem to have moved on from the 'my body' argument in that case. Let's assume we agree on your last claim. At what point does the potential human being become an actual human being? Or to be more specific: at what stage would a decision on my mother's part to abort me have been wrong?
Totally off topic but I thought the presenter was Ellie Goulding at first
"I'm just the girl you sit next to on the bus. We're the everyday people, and we're the everyday story."
I'll never agree with the murder of a child inside a body
I'll never agree with backwards thinking. A brain, a sad thing to waste.
@@diannebdee oh the irony
Your opinion on abortion is null and void if you don't have a uterus, If you have never gotten pregnant by rape/incest/a priest, or at a time in your life when you're not able or ready to carry a pregnancy to term, or if you are using your religious beliefs as your reason to oppose abortion and if you do not have any scientific evidence to support your opposition to abortion.
As a man I have NO right to tell a woman what to do with her body in regards to pregnancy because I can never become pregnant. But mostly because I have no right to tell anyone what they can or cannot do with their body. I will never know what choice I would make about being pregnant. No one can say how they will react to a situation that they have never faced or will never be able to face.
Science does not support the opinion that an unviable life is a life. Only ignorant or religious beliefs claim that abortion is murder with out any scientific evidence to support that claim.
Father’s have no choice, the innocent have no choice. What happened to human rights?
It's a trade off really. If you don't want the baby, you can just walk away. If you beat her into having a miscarriage, you won't spend the rest of your life in prison. You will never go through the hardship of pregnancy, the pain of childbirth, and you will never die from complications of either. You want the baby, but she doesn't, then your screwed. But I agree the role and needs of the father are never mentioned in these debates.
@@jeremyeblack4987 You can't just walk away. You have to flea the country to somewhere that doesn't have an extradition treaty, if you want to get out of responsibility for fathering a child.
the idea is for women to have reproductive rights. Men certainly can be affected by abortion, but the idea that they 'have no say at all' is pretty far-fetched. Many men are fathers, and in most cases their children are both planned and and wanted.
Says no on shirt.
Doesn't want to "force anyone" to do anything
not a single one of the statistics Lucy came out with have any scientific grounding.
abortion is childmurder
No
Pro-CHOICE! So happy for you, Ireland! Better late than never, no more unneccesary suffering, everyone should have bodily autonomy and the right to choose.
Edit:
I'm tired of replying the same things over and over again. So here are my responses.
1. No, per definition the "baby" you are speaking of isn't alive yet. No heartbeat, no way of surviving outside the womb, no brain activity. Most of abortions are performed before these are present. Pretty much as alive as a plant at this point. Later on, that's a different discussion.
2. Can't murder something that isn't alive (see point 1.)
3. If you don't like abortions, don't have one yourself. I'm absolutely fine with you not liking abortions, my only issue is with people who think they have the right to choose for others.
4. On bodily autonomy: 1. You have total control of what is allowed to be done to your body, even after death.
2. Nobody is allowed to infringe on that right, for any reason, without your consent.
This is why you can't even use someone's dead body to donate organs that would save someone's life, because you can't do that without consent from the deceased. Your organs could save 10+ people, but you are still not obligated to be a donor. Why you can't be forced to donate blood or a kidney, because you have the right to say no, even if that results in death for the other person.
You are not legally obligated to use your body to save someone's life, this includes the right to not go through with a pregnancy. A fetus is using the mother's body to develop, it is attached to her, so the argument that it's a separate body is irrelevant, because it is still using her body and can't survive on its own. You are not obligated to use your body to save or sustain life against your will.
because innocent unborn babies make people suffer so much, so exterminate them like you would any termite or roach! Yay!
....and I would gladly take that baby with loving arms over killing it! That is because, unlike yourself, I actually value life and feel every potential life is precious and deserves to be respected. ..and I'll say whatever the hell I want because adoption is a viable option since there are thousands of loving families dying to have children. Even if they end up in a home where they can potentially have a bad experience, anything is better than murdering a baby.
Chris Rivas I value life. But I, and generally the scientific community, don't consider a fetus to be alive, yet. Every child should be wanted and get to grow up in a good environment, not forced upon someone or having to grow up in bad conditions, such as the overcrowded and in many ways flawed foster care system. If you want to talk about cruelty, that's cruelty.
Chris Rivas taking away abortion will not stop abortions.
D F This ^ Taking away abortions will only create more UNSAFE abortions, people will find other ways. This is what's been happening in Ireland, they even discussed it in the video.
Killing unborn children. Sick.
22:16 Claire says "no one wants an abortion"...erm you are wrong.
Exactly, it flies in the face of the whole "my body, my choice" argument. You choose something you want. If you don't want an abortion, ..... you're being forced to have an abortion? But i thought it was your choice.
@@voicevitality7197 well people don't wanna get their wisdom teeth pulled but we get them pulled. kinda the same thing
@@juliahornback2843 one is need, the other is want. Comparing tooth removal to an abortion is odd.
nobody wants to have to do that, because they didn’t want to get pregnant in the first place, or they didn’t want to be raped, or they didn’t want to become medically ill or the fetus to become medically ill, but circumstances happen. nobody thinks abortion is a nice thing that is enjoyable , it’s a necessity.
Everyone on the pro abortion side will argue about women who were sexually assaulted, or fatal fetal abnormalities but one must realise this argument is for a vast minority of cases. Unfortunately the vast, vast majority, up to 97% of abortions are carried out on healthy mothers with healthy babies. Abortion will always be wrong as its definately not right now is it. It sickened me to see women and feminist men, TDs and others jumping up and down in celebration the day this was passed. Very sad day for Ireland. I'm pro life for life.
This referendum made my stomach churn
True. Requesting permission from others for what you can and cannot do with your own body.
In Italy, a catholic country, abortion is allowed. but the obstacles to get one are unimaginable high. (waiting periods of several weeks, strange time slots, doctors who don't perform abortion because of their consciousness, etc). so a change in the law doesn't mean a change for the women.
What Italy did to Amanda Knox is unforgivable .
And killing babies is revolting .
I'm going to enjoy these comments.
друг Of course as you have nothing better to do with your life but read pointless comments which have no meaning and could be written by 7 year olds
I do thus for fun it's not like the Kremlin is paying me
Also meaning is subjective and i'm part of the 9 year old army
bro fist my dude
You should be ashamed of yourself for joking about such a serious subject.
I'm not joking, i'm serious. I enjoy people getting triggered in the comments.
if you had 2 friends and you depended on them to care for you, 1 was a woman who had 3 abortions and the other fought for the unborn, morally what one would you trust more? the one who kills her own inside her or the one who not only would never do it but protest time and tears to save others
Ahhhh my sign is in this. At 1:25 “womb for improvement”
Niamh C Oml that's so *punny* 😂 I love you
Abortion feels wrong, therefore it must be wrong , imagine if jesus was aborted
sergio garcia c. Giving birth doesn’t feel to great either it must be right so
Your mother should be embarrassed
I like the colors , nice sign , and the font is fun
the year i had a misscarge
If women want the right to abort their child then a man should have the same equivalent right which is to walk away and not be pulled into paying child support for 18 years. It might not be the moral thing to do but you could also say that about abortion.
25:20 Yeah you do. That's the whole point of the abortion ban.
Well done Ireland. A big step forward. Religion has no place in forming laws today. Have your views but don't force them on me.
Why do father Michael's views seem out of touch ? No they dont . The media is so biased
It is. He's a priest and therefore has no valid opinion on anything related to the real world.
Anyone has the right to choose what they do with their bodies, women come from all different paths with all different reasons which is no one else’s business. The people with such strong opinions make no sense to me are they helping the women that have had babies and not been ready or wanted too and are struggling... no! Everyone is human if it doesn’t affect you’re life mind you’re business
None of us rights to our own bodies since drugs are illegal in most of the World.
Stacey Wells “Everyone is human.” Yes I agree. And killing humans should be illegal. We don’t have unlimited rights over our bodies. Since the government can’t read our minds, all state laws are laws which control our bodies. Can you think of a single law that doesn’t ban you from, or force you to do something with your body?
@Andy Gardner, embryos are not humans.
It is not their body in their Womb
It takes a certain kind of evil to think it's justified to dismember and kill another human life! If you don't want a baby then don't have sex. If she's raped then go to the hospital and they will give you the plan b.
I have never understood the logic behind framing abortion as a battle over women's bodies. It seems be about the right to terminate the life of another body. Perhaps it's really a decision between the woman's discomfort in pregnancy and the life of the fetus. Or Perhaps what is driving this is really a feeling that it is unfair that pregnancy may be the result of sex for women but not for men. Abortion might be a way for some people to level the playing field.
its satanic
It takes a special kind of evil to think the dismemberment and killing of another human life is ok!
Now do one on the fight for babies' bodies.
29:28 thats just plain scary listen to all the crowds cheering going mad with glee for the dismemberment of the unborn. Absolutely terrifying
@Wesley Heartland they were cheering for a woman's right to choose to do what ?clothes they want to wear ? I want to choose to murder feminists and weak cowardly cuck men , because they are screaming and spreading propaganda making society degenerate , society which I live in and by doing so they are inducing hypertension in me , which hurts my body and psychological health. So , I want the right to choose to violently gruesomely torture feminists and weak men to save my health . I am a tax payer and I have the right to choose to keep my mind and body healthy . It's my body my choice . Why am I not allowed when my own health is in trouble ?
A brit explaining ... This is a member of a human race.....and needs to be preserved
Histoy.....du fu
So happy Ireland put women's rights first!
Nicole McMullen Me Tooo
It’s sad you believe women’s rights should go before human rights.
Instead of aborting innocent baby maybe woman in Ireland should respect their body more and keep the knickers on if they are not ready to be a parent while they are sexually active and assume responsibility for a baby’s life when they get pregnant. It’s all about self respect. That’s when it really starts, that’s the core root of the problem. If girl or woman get pregnant they just can’t take that out on baby and blame baby for their mistake. It’s about paying consequences for your actions, not killings baby. Woman can give up a baby for adoption when the pregnancy end and denounce parental rights. Then should be a choice not if she can abort baby or not. The whole issue should be attract from different angle, and no one should kill unborn baby up to 6th months because human life it’s not a choice and it should be never put in this category. Young generation it’s sadly brainwashed by media and television. They use feminist slogans like:”My body, my choice”; “Stop policing my body”to prompt people to vote yes and repeal The 8th Amendment which is far beyond the truth..
Even ahead of Children. But men still last. But won't last. Because Countries that put feticide last or representative rights Last while come and overwelm irland
Does anyone know the name of the instrumental at the end of this documentary?
Abortion is a tricky topic, ethically: While it is technically killing a human being, while the baby may have a disability that it won't really last long or live at all anyway, while it is essentially the right to murder, on the other side the mother's life might be at risk, or she might not be ready to have a child and have to give up her baby as soon as it's born, which would be awful. The mother might already have too many kids, and can't handle any more, a similar situation to not being ready for a child, really. It's hard to pick a side, but maybe it's easier if you're in that situation.
Very Snazzy this is a very true statement
Dayze - Appalachian Cunning Thankyou :)
I wouldn't consider the fetus a human until it has a developed nervous system and can survive exposure.
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Well, that's science and you can't argue with it!
One of the reasons I'm pro choice you cannot properly decide what's better unless you are in that situation nobody else can tell a woman what's best for her and probably for the fetus.
Santiago bron
life begins at conception an unborn baby is living
Life begins before conception. By this logic "every sperm is sacred"
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Once the egg and sperm has fused it is
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At least I have some logic unlike you
I just wanna know what man thinks it’s okay to have a opinion on women having abortion 🙄
Discrimination on basis of gender? Oh dear!
How many children have these men adopted?
@@standup2982 Ask them!
@@hammyhog4748 how many children have you adopted and how many are you planning on adopting every year?
@@standup2982 As I have a full time job, am caring for elderly parents and have a serious underlying chronic health condition, none. As I was so ill and my chances of survival were not good it would not have been in the child's best interests to probably lose one of their adoptive parents so soon. Despite the poor odds I survived but I'm now too old to adopt children.
Abortion is not a right and also the current law in the Republic of Ireland needs to be restricted back to 6 weeks to protect the right to life
The title "The Fight For Women's Bodies ..." is the mindset of the Pro-Choice side. The mindset of the Pro-Life side is : "The Fight for Babies Lives". Each side can give examples of heartache and sorry. But in the end, objectively, Pro-Life has the higher moral standing.
Sorry folks, I didn't post this 4 times. Don't know why that happened.
Sorry folks, I didn't post this 4 times. Don't know why that happened.
Ah yes, objectively talking about something subjective, the classic move
Fantastic interviewer! That gavan guy is also against marriage equality for LGBTQ people - "god" knows his story was concocted for this referendum. Big time religious head he is.
As a man I love women bodies .
power to you
Jujhar Bling Women won't respect you if you act like a pushover.
DrJams lol
so I say "get rid of that dirty baby" or "you keep that dirty baby:
better ?
@@jujharbling265 did you know men have an higher average body temperature then women can better keep others warm like Kangroo premature Baby care. Yes a woman's body is not an incubator. But do know who invented actual incubators that help premature or unwanted fetuses. That right Min!. What can we to those babies except your welcome .Women have achieved though but Ameal couldn't have Traveled the world if not for the rights BROTHERS . what say to her except your welcome
a mans get out clause, his mothers ,bucket list complete.
With many ways to avoid pregnancy it doesnt make sense to me why thousands of girls had to travel abroad for abortion, I know there are sad situatons its necessary, but most of the abortion cases could be avoided with prevention.. Anyway the world is already full of people who dont care about their children.. At least these babies will not have to live without mother's love..
The title is biased.
Not neutral.
Agree !
I'm disgusted.
by ?
"My body my choice" yes that all sounds good and well but the fact of the matter is it isnt your body its the babys body. What gives a woman/ her partner more rights over another human being?
You are right.i think abortion is disgusting
because pregnancy directly affects women and their bodies.
Awful, I never thought I'd see the day that Ireland would legalise abortion. It's a shame,I believe that the baby is a separate body inside, a body, literally what's happening is if a woman gets pregnant 5 times and doesn't want a baby she can have 5 abortions. I've had 3 miscarriages,and those babies had heartbeats at 9 wks, how is that not a human being. It's like saying that someone in a coma should be killed because they've no brain activity, but their hearts still beating, so you wouldn't kill them that would be murder, as they have no say in the matter, abortion is murder, there are other options, it should be difficult to have an abortion, then maybe there wouldn't be so many, a plane trip to England's expensive. I know there are circumstances where women get pregnant through tragedy, but there still are other means if they don't want a baby, there are plenty of people who do, please before doing something that you might never be able to forgive yourself for, explore every option, a foetus is not just a bunch of cells it has its own unique DNA from conception,
If the "baby" is a separate entity, why does it need the mother's blood supply and nutrients to survive? Ever thought those miscarriages was a sign you shouldn't be pregnant? One woman's story:
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Adoption isn't as easy as it seems. That takes money to do. Adoption agencies are maxed out in terms of having more toddlers than infants, the preferred adoptee. Many times that toddler maxes out at age 16 then are more or less shoved out and lead lonely lives because of not being wanted.
@@diannebdee would you perform an abortion on a baby taken outside of the womb? Have you seen a baby at 6 months? You want women the have the CHOICE to end a baby that big?! Jesus man...humans. the more we progress the less common sense we have. All in the name of women's rights. The baby doesn't have a right to life? Funny how most pro abortionists are already living. So convenient to speak when you're not being torn apart piece by piece.
Women's lives are more important than fertilized eggs. Deal with it.
We did we voted yes
shame on you
I voted no and trust me we did not lose, the children of Ireland lost. 7211 irish children lost in fact.
Wow these people are disgusting. My wife and I had to make the very difficult decision about 4 years ago. We sat down and discussed if we were ready to be parents, and ultimately we weren't. So we made the heartbreaking decision to abort our 6 year old son Timmy. We were young parents, I wanted to go on a lads trip to Ibiza that summer, and she wanted to have a nice relaxing summer chilling with the girls. Aborting our 6 year old son Timmy was the best decision we ever made, and I for one believe my wife should be recognized for her bravery and stunningness, and I should be recognized for my wokeness
Really stupid comment. An embryo inside the womb is not equivalent to a six year old child outside of it, moron.
@@celestejacobs7386 Not a a stupid comment at all. A 6 year old is a human in an earlier stage of development than me, the same way a fetus is simply a human life in an earlier stage of development. If you argue that something can be killed due to its developmental age, you can also make the same argument for a 6 year old
@@michaelmichael8314 Nope. A 6 year old is an actual human. It has a brain and a central nervous system.
A fertilized egg is not a person.
What are you nutjobs going to do next, campaign for the rights of sperm?
@@celestejacobs7386 babies that are aborted have brains and nervous systems. Don't call someone a moron unless you really know the facts.
@@celestejacobs7386 Unborn babies don't have brains and nervous systems? Clearly you know nothing about human development. The brain and nervous system does not just suddenly appear when the baby comes out of the womb. Poor Celeste, it seems that a brain is something you are lacking
Shame on you Ireland
Im so proud of Ireland for valuing women over fertlized eggs. Amazing!
Can someone please honestly help me...I always hear Pro- Lifers say that life begins at Conception, I'd like to know if a couple has Sex and the following Day she takes the Morning after Pill is that an Abortion? Because if it is an Abortion then I know many Catholic woman who've had Abortions.
Howard Stern they consider that murder as well because it makes the uterus lining to thick for the egg to attatch therefore “killing” the “baby”
Fertilization does not occur for another 48 hours after sex. The little swimmers have to make it up past the cervix, a battlefield trying to get through that defense. Then make their way through the uterus to meet up in the Fallopian tube which is where the "big thing no one sees" happens. Implantation takes at least 72 hours since it has to float from the conception point to the implantation point in the upper wall of the uterus. So by all intents and purposes, the Morning After pill guarantees no implantation and therefore the fertilized egg is just expelled as a normal period.
@@LeahBeth_1997 It's not even alive after fertilization. It takes a further 16-20 weeks for it to be considered a life because at any point through that a miscarriage can happen. Which the religious right want to criminalize.
I think life starts at conception, but I believe that using plan b is ok, I draw the line at implantation because before that you are only doing something to your own body. Equivilant of not allowing a homeless person into house but letting them walk through your yard, after implantation is like killing a homeless person in your home after inviting them in.
This is a medical procedure. Doctors should be able to provide this service to women based on the facts of the case. I adopted a baby because I was unable to give birth myself. My sons mother made the choice to give birth to him and place him for adoption. Every woman should have the right to choose. Compassion goes a long way here. Please dont judge anyone because you dont know the circumstances in which the need for an abortion came about. Compassion goes a long way here. Forcing your views onto others is unkind at best and really just arrogant.
17:52 (That whole segment)Aaaahh the feels 😭 (apologies for my many, consecutive comments, it's an important topic, and emotional)
Sonic_Spyro she’s my mam 💞
did he really go and say ‘this is the biggest problem facing young people’ and then vote no to make it more of a problem than it already is ..?
I tend to be pro-choice. It’s should be up to the woman to a point that is reasonable. But if you look at what a baby looks like in the womb at around 8 weeks it absolutely is a growing human. It’s hard to deny when you see it. I saw a display at a science museum of real fetuses recently. It would be easier to discuss these things if people tried to see others points of view.
A lot of anti choice organizations have made fake models that falsely depict what fetuses look like at various stages. Id do more of my own research if I were you.
I use a pregnancy app to track my pregnancy. It is very hard to dispute that the growing embryo is a distinct human life. I can't in my right mind claim the life growing inside me is my body because it simply isn't. The app gives updates about the development going on. This app is not pro choice or pro life. It's just an app. Whether we are religious or not, science says it is a life. It is not a cancerous clump of cells, is is purposefully growing into smt, it is how we all started.
I personally believe abortion should not be used as contraception but only when medically needed. Inconvenience cannot be a reason to end another life. We need to be more responsible about the choices we make so that we aren't in situations where we need to end a life. If anything we should be coming up with laws to hold fathers more accountable for the lives they conceive and help support women who end up alone dealing with unplanned pregnancies. We need to rally behind each other and find good solutions. Making the life growing inside us pay for what's wrong in society, I don't know if that's healing us or making us more sick as a people.
@@dianahe2814 Humans are defined by brain life. Nothing that doesn't have sentience or a brain can be considered a human. No matter what it looks like, an embryo is not a person. No brain, no human. Women's rights are paramount.
Funny how bacteria in Mars is life and a human fetus isn't...
It takes a special kind of evil to think the dismemberment and killing of another human life is ok!
Now it's illegal in much of America. Sad world.
I am a Christian, i support pro life, i have no problem with abortion because i dont have sex before marriage. And even if i am pregnant before marriage, i will keep the baby because its against the Bible and murder is sin.
Now, if a woman repents from such abortion, God still loves her and He will forgive her with open arms
Sanctimonious much! Marriage is no guarantee that children will have a good life.
Our bodies our choice just like my dad say if a woman doesn’t want a baby she has the right to abort it I respect women decision even though I don’t believe in abortions
if a woman doesn't want a baby than use protection if you are to lazy to look after a baby
Does the babies' bodies not have a choice then?
It takes a certain kind of evil to think it's justified to dismember and kill another human life! If you don't want a baby then don't have sex. If she's raped then go to the hospital and they will give you the plan b.
First: they pull one little leg....
then another little leg...
Followed by the little arms and the head.
Lastly: doctor proceeds to write down how many parts were pulled out of the “mother” “effer” to keep “her” safe and to keep accounts.
Thank you momma I’m glad your safe.... but what about me?
Wow you really don't know how abortions are done
Flederloewin watch Dr. levantino destroys abortion vídeo and take what I just wrote coming from a dr. Who practiced abortion. Thank you for commenting.
@Nitrobladex, really? Most abortions are done in the first trimester. There are no arms or legs yet. You really need to educate yourself.
Celeste Jacobs well first of all you said most which still leaves many others that don’t happen the way you’re explaining. Even if you give percentage it wouldn’t be accurate because there’s many illegal abortions happening. And second I took what I said from a doctor who performed many abortions and stopped doing it. So I don’t think is really my lack of education. What I said it’s happening whether you want to admit it or not.
@@sorrito7 Levantino is piece of shit. Ive already seen many of his talks. He performed thousands of second and third trimester abortions and the only thing that prompted him to stop was when his daughter was hit by a car and killed. So he basically let his own personal tragedy interfere with his work, which is selfish and unprofessional. If he felt what he was doing was wrong it wouldn't have taken an event like that for him to realize it. Over 90 percent of abortions are performed in the first trimester. If they are performed later it is usually due to a severe fetal abnormality. Dr. Levantinos video are misleading because they grossly exaggerate the reality of what a typical abortion is actually like. There is no "baby" in the beginning, in fact 50 to 80 percent of embryos spontaneously abort themselves without women even knowing that they are pregnant.
As a man born & raised in the Republic of Ireland i was and still am disgusted that this law had passed and even more disgusted by the people from my home country that celebrated this shame on all who voted yes & celebrated when it passed. May god rest the souls of the murderd unborn children
It’s what’s best for everyone if you don’t agree with abortion then don’t get one why force others now to get one.
It’s a woman right
@@copyer9088 it's not a "woman's right" to murder an unborn child and can you even define the word woman?
@@culeluke9953 so your telling me if a woman is raped she should suffer from the wrong doing of the man who done it by being forced to have a baby she doesn’t want and be reminded of the rapist every time she sees it?
It’s not murder it’s a woman’s right and it should be a choice a personal choice and people like shouldn’t be telling people what to do it’s not of your business or anyone else’s.
@@copyer9088 the man in question should be punished for the rape not the child in question. You don't blame a son for the sins of his father & you ignored my 2nd question.
@@culeluke9953 I didn’t see your 2nd question so I’ll answer it for you now. A woman is a female human being or creature.
In my home country up until recently if a woman was to have an abortion she would get a life sentence in prison unless her life is at risk the rapist would only get about 8 years longer depending on the offence. So that just shows it should be a choice not having access to free, safe and legal abortions in a country is dated and anti woman. I don’t see why the woman should have to suffer from the rapist wrong doing and give birth to baby who she doesn’t want in addition to be reminded of the offender every time she looks or thinks about it. A woman comes before an unborn child.
You ignored my last points about how having an abortion is not of your business or anyone else it’s the woman’s choice alone and no one else’s you shouldn’t be telling people what to do with a pregnancy as you don’t know what the circumstances are with the woman are your not the one having the baby. she might not feel she is ready to become a mother yet, she might too young or in school, not working and unable to afford care for the baby or look after it properly. No woman should be forced to have a pregnancy that she doesn’t want.
If you don’t want or support abortions that’s fine don’t get one but forcing that view on others and preventing them from getting the heath care they need or stoping them from doing what they want is wrong. Abortion being legal is not forcing you or anyone else to have an abortion as again that is your decision, and nobody else’s. making abortion legal is making it so woman in that given country have access to free safe and legal abortions if needed.
It’s a woman’s right and it’s what’s best for everyone.
Through the prayers of St Patrick, may God have mercy on Ireland. I was there a few weeks before the referendum, and hoped they would make the right decision. Instead, they chose to worship baal. May God have mercy on us, drenched as we are in the blood of innocent children, which cries to Him for vengeance.
Yeah, there is no god?
@Comment ça va? I've got a special make-believe magic friend too
Go ram your bible somewhere else.
Imagine fighting for the IRA and Catholicism and this is how the government you fought for does
Are you saying that the IRA were sectarian Catholics ?
Kyrie Eleison! Christe Eleison! Kyrie Eleison! God protect Your unborn children, Lord have mercy on women groomed into thinking they need an abortion, Holy Spirit, fill everyone with understanding and wisdom as regards the unborn children in our world and the dignity of all people, men, women, and children, of all states in life. Amen.
It’s all very well saying that women are made to bear children, but that doesn’t mean they should have to.