India Today Conclave 2024: 'Secularism Is Dying in India' | The Conclave Debate
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- Is secularism dying in India? Do we need to redefine secular values in the country? Watch this fiery debate between panellists from across fields at India Today Conclave 2024
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No Hindu could have defended more eloquently than Shehazad Poonawala
Hindu or Santan Dharma
is Secular
And full of faith even if others worship
And different altars of different godship,
O Arjuna, they still worship Me and no one else,
Though the rules of their faiths preach something else.
Geeta Ch 9 V 23
This means that whole world is HINDU - the whole world
Secular means non religious my bro. It's close to atheism not equality among riligion. We are panth nirpeksh. And iske liye puri dictionary me bhi koi word nhi milega because they don't believe in this.
We dont have to defend and get certification from someone
We dont have to defend and get certified by some one
@@IndicRenai-2047Plural and agnostic should be put in constitution !
I am a Hindu by culture and a Christian by faith - Thats my secularism.
Absolutely
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beautyful analogy brother.,love from a hindu
What does your community certificate say ? There are many you convert to Christianity but still maintain their old community certificates 😂😂😂
You are just confused man!
Wow. Did the moderator just said "The debators will be judged on the style, drama, theatre etc and not just on the basis of content??" Just surprised. What journalism has come down to😢
What are you saying??? This is to make debating less serious, making a side win unlike usual serious debates gives new perspective. Theatrics here are just the supporting caste.They know everyone is here for real *matter*. This happens in every dialogue week. *Once in a while*, this refresher and excitement brings out new perspectives. Good it happened. Just made in engaging for non-news-watching-people.
There can be no bigger joke than saying Mamata Banerjee is secular 😂😂
Two Muslims Shehzad and Shaila are on the podium for speaking against the so called dying secularism. What else is the definition of secularism. Momta Didi is the leader of appeasement politics. Every religion is equal don't confuse appeasement with secularism.
Well said
secularism means separation of church and state - means cchurch can do whatever heck that their rreligion say and state have no right to intervene i.e. secularism gives rreligion too much power. for example iislamb says ssex sslavery is legal just like what iisis did so according to secularism state will have no jurisdiction on this matter.
@@urrasscal8380 😂 exactly
Boss understand the pain of Congress . Shila Rashid today is the face of BJP .
@@urrasscal8380isslam never said that, please don't sya anything thw worshipper of incest bramha beti🇵🇰hod
Secularism is a joke for congress
But it is a debatable topic for BJP
sanathana DHARMA is secular.. no need to talk about the SECULAR SECULARISM SECULARISM WORD 🫵🫵
We need shutdown Congress party and leftists parties 😂
@@sunnybhagyangarsecularism means division of state and religion. Why can a person be secular? In the name of secularism these people guilt trap hindus and make them ashamed of practicing own religion.
secularism means -- separation of church and state which means church can do anything ( can practice sslavery acc. to their rreligion ) and state will not have any right to interfere in this type of church matters .... this is very dangerous ideology that's why secularism was not included in 1947 constitution.
@@sunnybhagyangar I am quite interested in your proposed adage ie "sanathana DHARMA is secular.". Please could you explain secularism citing proper references for your statements and accordingly, please can you draw parallels from the Sanatana Dharma school of thoughts so that it can be asserted that what you said may have some logic?
@@FreddieMurphy746 Add this one as well to make it apple to apple than making it apple to orange:
"मत्तः परतरं नान्यत्किञ्चिदस्ति धनञ्जय ।
मयि सर्वमिदं प्रोतं सूत्रे मणिगणा इव ॥7॥"
When its a debatable, its already a problem.
People debate if earth is spherical or flat. Does that hint its a problem?
@@adityarao3577 Earth is a natural problem while the other is a mindset create issue
Secularism doesnt need a parliament or any debate...it will survive on its own without political interference by anyone
Shehzad Poonawalla 👌🔥
This Poona wala is a fraud and blatant liar just like his new mentor the corrupt Modi!!!
Andh bakth 🤣
Andha bakth
@@FawazFawaz-iz9xdAndhnamaji 😂😂
@@FawazFawaz-iz9xd jali na teri jali na
Moment I saw Shehzad I started feeling pity for the opposition lol
What did he say? He just gibbered.
@@nawajsarif4036aww okay
Result itself shows.. secularism has died...
Ask common people like us, whether secularism still exists. Yes we are secularists.Tolerating all religions🙏🏻
As long as Sanathan Dharm dominates Bharat 🇮🇳 plularism will never die in Bharat 🇮🇳🕉️🇮🇳
Not just Sanatan dharma but also recognition of TRUE(Not white washed) history of past 1000 years.
Lol.
secularism is very dangerous ideology it gives rreligion too much power ... secularism makes indian constitution as goo.
@@neerajk5212 you will be allowed to laugh As long as Sanathan Dharm dominates Bharat 🇮🇳 plularism will never die in Bharat 🇮🇳🕉🇮🇳. hahahaha
@@billtensus Let Dharma be with the people whose in reality it is. Let not the politicians hijack it. You select politicians to run the government, that enable the society to access resources, manage law and order and so on.
Tehseen is right.... Congress has lost a Shahjaad. And we have gained a much much deserved brother.
Cant believe Sheila is batting on BJP ❤❤😂😂
In India secularism means the freedom to abuse Hindus. To be secular means i do not have the right to question an imported 7th century sect's very questionable tenets. Having worked for more than 4 decades in the Middle Eastern deserts I can say that no Beduoin ever asked me my religion but only my nationality. But here we see a half- Italian screaming in rallies about caste and the so called secular parties dividing my country into absurd acronyms like OBC , ST, BC etc. And to say on a public podium that Mamta Banerjee is the epitome of secularism is not only absurd but obnoxious.Every speaker for the motion like ignorant speakers like Asutosh spoke against Hindus.
without Jai Sai Deepak...this discussion is incomplete.
He cant be every where....right now i think he is spreading nonsense in the US
they way u r here @@user-mg8bo4sx5w
There is no match of Jai Sai Deepak in this debate so he is absent
Non sense 😂😂OK@@user-mg8bo4sx5w
You mean, the sidekick and mouth piece of Bhrasht jumla party 🖤👹
Brilliant logically explained by Shehzad Bhai...👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
ashutosh makes ultimate confession, he is right he is not good debater but only how to speak. Speaking even a child does.
Looting temple money to fund other faiths is secularism?!
Shela Rashid ji❤❤❤❤ Thanks from Hindu Community
They did not have the guts to invite Sai Deepak ji. Completely understandable 🤣
Really like the Shehzad ji spoke lot of passion and honesty
TMC guy started on a shaky ground 😂😂😂😂
Secularism will never die in india as hinduism by nature is secular
do u even know the definition of secularism
@@nogag8219 Kindly Explain Sir ! we Dont .
Secularism is separation of state and religious institutions which means religious and state institutions should not interfere with each other's functioning. India has never had secularism to begin with. What this panel was debating over is what I call the tolerance and acceptance of all religions which is called pluralism and not secularism. Yes, we have had pluralism for centuries bcos Hinduism is inherently pluralist while Islam is fascist. If Islam were to become dominant religion in India, you can kiss pluralism and tolerance a big goodbye. Your future generations will be forced to convert just like in Paksitan
@@rangappan aray murkh --- secularism is separation of cchurch ( lets take rreligion) and state . Which means rreligion can do whatever their rreligion prescribe 4 example some rreligion allow ssex sslavery and because of secularism state would have no power to stop that . that's why in 1950 constitution they debated about secularism and they outright rejected the inclusion of this particular word secularism.
Hindus should wake up. Remember 800 years of atrocities on Hindus.
Y minorities are only Muslims what about Jains Sikhs and persians and also ask them they are most vulnerable community we have to take their opinions not always only Muslims. Secularism died already by Khangress govt it's time to restore secularism
I feel muslim are not minority anymore they are 15% in whole india population in crores.
Shehla rashid seems to have got some financial support 😉
Accurate headline should be " is One sided secularism is dyin' in india ?"😂
Shehazad stood up when others came. Which shows how much cultured he is. More power to you sir.❤️🩹
So proud of poonawala doing an extempor debate and showing his debating skill.Great job!!! Well done, young man.
Secularism is there since long time between all religions that's India...But primary questions needs to be addressed on so called news channels are about Jobs, Economic growth and how we can discuss on growth of industries and make better employee generators
Shehzad is on fire 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽 Excellent kick on Nehruvian secularism.
If Secularism is dying in India, then it's very good.
It's very good direction.
This type of feeling in most of the people in India proves that secularism is dying... They make up things in front of screen and in ground level they are filling the people with radicalisation.
Aryaman Sundar hit the nail on the head. Political parties using religion would be constitutionally impermissible and unconstitutional. 👌🏼🙏🏼
The word secularism should be removed from constitution
Why exactly? Please explain
@@mahamrityumjayBecause Secularism word add in 1975 at emergency time by indra gandhi. In Orginal indian constitution there is not word like secularism , socialism etc .
@@mahamrityumjaysecular parties are more Islamist in nature.
@@mahamrityumjay Your question was well debated, analysed and concluded way back in 1948s right in The Constituent Assembly. Just read.
@@mahamrityumjaybecause secularism is not a part of original Constitution. It is added un constitutionally by indira gandhi in emergency time. Secular word should be removed restore original constitutional preamble.
Secularism doesn't mean to demean sanatana Dharma
Nehruvian secularism. A muslim should be a Muslim and worship allah.
Christian should worship jesus.
But hindus should follow secularism. If hindu worship idols he will be communal. But if he goes to mazar and worship graves he will be secular.
Reject secularism.
secularism gives too much power to rreligion ..
The misguided pseudo seculars need a sake up call!😡😡😢
@@HeavenRacer422 Did Nehru say that or you paraphrasing for a person like me. Could you refer some books on this to prove your point?
@@sansavd Nehru's policy is it's proof of this baised nature. And that's the reason gen Z hates him. Because we have self respect.
1. He refused to participate in somnaath temple's inauguration called it against secularism knowing the unfortunate history of the temple.
2. He introduced waqf board.
3. Hindus of Pakistan voted for congress and muslims of India voted for jinnah in 1946. In 1947 Hindus were k1||Ed on the street of lahore. Nehru did nothing to secure them instead of that he was crying for mus|ims.
4. He kept regressive muslim personal law board.
5. Article 370
6. He made a clergy our first education minister whereas his followers till date questioning yogi adityanath. Because of that clergy Indian history syllabus is completely is|amaised.
Shehzad is a very heavy weight for the entire opposition. He deserves and is needed on international panels. Please pass this on.
Christians and Hindus want BJP in Kerala!
So go out and vote Ricebag.
And tell your Priests to talk about this in Sunday Mass instead of empty talk about the coming of JC.
Oh sangi changam tinno 😂
Poor Muthalman maskeens 😂😂😂😂@@FawazFawaz-iz9xd
@@FawazFawaz-iz9xd Abbey Katwe- Tereku kya samaj mein aaya?
Woh tho English main hain.
@@FawazFawaz-iz9xd what's up katwa????
Only for sehzad ❤❤❤❤❤😊
Secularism in religion is not a sound argument. You can find many ideas and points which is seen as secular in religious scriptures whether it is geeta,quran,bible,..At the same time you will find things that is completely opposite to secular ideas of an modern human being. It is better not to involve religion. Ideas like liberty equality and fraternity came from self conscious mind of human.
Shehzad is 🔥 🔥. Punched holes in opposition argument
Wow Shezad 👌🙏💐👍 eloquently explained thank you Bhai ❤
Secularism is dying in Kerala where Hindu is torchured for following their culture and rituals.
Who told you
Wait for a few decades. You will not have to ask that.
@@socialscienceexpert6455 I am from Kerala.
നിന്നോട് ആരെടാ ഈ മണ്ടത്തരം പറഞ്ഞേ . നീ കേരളത്തിൽ വന്ന് നോക്ക്
Did she just say “why are you forcing Bharat mata ki jai” on us!!!
Shehzad Poonawala ❤️🔥🔥🔥🔥
I am in awe and surprise the way Shehla Rashid changed. It has given a very new perspective on Left. In this debate I find her comments and presentation to be the most logical and based on real world examples.
Shiela is trying to save her skin as KASHMIRIS suffered most at the hands India HINDUVITA. Love from loving Canada 🇨🇦.
@@MrAshraf1949We have Arfa and others, why they did not change? When you do not bring religion into every aspect of your life, you will start using brains and start becoming logically! Then you will be enlightening!
These people don't have any ideology. Previously congress used to give them funds. Now BJP. 😂. Don't worry about her. This poonawala is also the same case. In fact most of the politicians are same except RSS politicians. They are strict to their ideology.
@@srinum6774 He can't be.. It's a preset insecurity complex embedded by controversial commandments. He can't think of morality or reasoning beyond that commandments. Best example of it u can see in ME.
u know both rashid and khalid ( in video evidence) in JNU says bharat tere tukde hongay iinsallla iinsalla which come under sedition khalid is jail and shehla rashid is outside because she is ffemale just software update kar k chooor diya hai.
Secularism is dying.. That's true
It died in 1947, it's coming back now.
Secularism died when 8 laws against Hindus were created.
hOW
Shiela Rashid did a complete U turn from her original stance it takes a lot of guts to accept so publicly that one was wrong and make amends
first need to define what is secularism . i think India is secular because of its bharathiya values.
secularism is very dangerous idea -- tomorrow because of ssecularism bachca bazi and ssex sslavery will be rampant in iindia.
हमारे देश में जो अत्यंत गरीब हैं, वे दिन-ब-दिन... और अधिक गरीब होते जा रहे हैं...
सबसे पहले "गरीबी हटाओ"...जो 25 साल पहले शुरू हुआ था, बहुत महत्वपूर्ण है...
हमारे आधे नागरिक केवल एक समय भरपेट भोजन ही कर पाते हैं।
पिछले 10-15 सालों में हर जगह महंगाई बढ़ने से आम आदमी का जीना बहुत मुश्किल हो गया है। . .
वर्तमान सरकार और विपक्ष को एक साथ मिल कर सभ्य होना चाहिए, एक दूसरे के साथ एकजुट होना चाहिए और सबसे पहले हमारे देश के अंदर की सारी गंदगी को साफ करना चाहिए, ..... सबसे महत्वपूर्ण है कि जनता के पैसे को बर्बाद करने के बजाय धर्मों के बीच एकता और शांति बनाई जाए। दुनिया भर का दौरा करना और चुनाव लड़ना...
भगवान राम भी कितने प्रसन्न होंगे...
पत्रकारों, मीडिया, CJI, ASI, ED आदि को ऐसे मुद्दों पर बहस करनी चाहिए.. अफ़सोस की बात है कि उनमें से अधिकांश एकतरफ़ा हैं, जिन्हें "हमारे देश के अंदर के बहुत महत्वपूर्ण मुद्दों" की कोई परवाह नहीं है!
@@josephdsouza1515 meanwhile dharti chapti hai (revelation 7:1).
Ashutosh has always lied everyone knows and everytime!!
Ashorosh has DNA of padosi
Ashutosh is always talks nonsense
When Ashitosh is on your side you are sure of defeat.
Rubbish and biased view of Ashutosh 😊😊😊😊😊😊
Waste life
By this it shows the Democracy is not dying.. but still the opposition including our suedo Anchor will cry in all the debates...
This debate proved that Bharat got independence in 2014
SECULAR word was added during Emergency. It should be removed ASAP..
secularism is a ghatiya idea -- it allow ssex sslavery.
Very good shaila.. this is how dealed yourself out of the jail...
This enclave becomes biased without owaisi....
True, also biased without Mr. Ranganathan, Mr. Annamalai or Mr. Sai Deepak. Watch either of them debate Mr. Owaisi.
Why minority is only Muslim but not Christians, jains and even small Hindu communities, and good Lord Muslims are 18+percentage, even more than my community, why only Muslim
When Modi has become PM then for opposition Atal bihari Vajpeyi becomes the tallest leader.
Now think when Yogi will become PM then who will become the tallest leader for opposition?
👍
Decades down, your beloved leader's name will be added to a long list of despicable autocrats in History books
Bharat was always secular! Only congress made it go away from secularism. And top keaders like one speaking are liars, he has to gumption to lie from even this podium!!
Liar... Liar...
Bharat was never secular in its history ... We always given space for religion to grow , multiple cultures to fruit in Bharat ...
Actually people should look in dictionary and learn what is meaning of secularism ....
Indian constitution have special meaning for secularism ( Hand made meaning by , collage drop out Nehru )
Actual secularism was practiced by Soviet Russia , China .... They butcher just any who use religion ....
Even though Ambadkar made constitution ,
Nehru added two words in to constitution *socialist , secular*
Also he given special explanation of what he mean by those words ...
If you read constitution you can clearly understand what is difference between educated Ambedkar and collage drop out Nehru ...
I am happy to see the show because BJP is committed to secular India and sent its representative to defend it.
Secularism doesn't mean irreligion or MINORITY PACIFICATION at the expense of the Majority HINDU community!!!
There is need to redifine the term secularism. Secularism can not be expected from majority only. Other also has to understand the the true meaning of secularism. Secularism does not not mean practice appeasement policy, allowing others to have their own law. Since independence there has been misconceptions on secularism. Allowing All india muslim personal law board, overturning the Shah Bano case, showing only part of Nupur Sharma and not showing what salmani says, silence of minority on terrorist attack of course will not strengthen the principles of secularism.
India doesn't need secularism. Remove the word from the Constitution.
India needs to promote dharma within the country and even in other countries.
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Indeed ❤
Yes
plus secularism allow some rreligion to perform ssex sslavery ....
As if the world is thirst for Hindu lol
Modi awarding Sudhir Choudhary as the most unbiased news presenter.
Missed Anand Ranganathan in this debate and j Sai Deepak... They would have countered every single point of the ones who spoke for the topic
Only juniors seems to be on stage too small stage for both of them
I feel Hindus should learn from Shezad poonawalla... we're dumb and dumbers... his articulation was par excellence... Mind you i don't belong to any political party and nor am I NaMo bhakt...
I am missing j sai deepak
Shezad Shezad Shezad......Tusi great ho Bhai🙏🙏
stone pelting is secular, re-building a mandir in its original place is communal!
Tahaseen Poonawala is A Very Good Human Being. Shahzad And Tahaseen both are very generous.
WHAT A SHAME Sickularism
I'm stunned on 180° change of Shela Rashid 😐 but good change.👏
What Bengal thinks today will never be thought by Bharat. Do any body wants we should have sandeshkhali in every part of Bharat
No...
Better to have Hathras and Manipur in every nook and corner of India!
And a bunch of "sanskaaris" of Gujarat (remember the Bilkis Bano case convicts)...
So as to help us attain the vishaguru status ASAP!😱🙈☠️
Shehjad bhai you are a real secular person..who is muslim but can understand other people's religious rituals
India today should tell me whether equality of rights exists for men and women in all religions.
I was just thinking the same question how does saying bharat mata ki jai or vande mataram affect muslims ? But unfortunately somebody has asked 😅
ill tell you how it effects Muslims brother, Both phrases Put the indian identity ( that is defined by the Authoritarian society ) to the same level as our actual mother, Bharat is my country and not my "mata" or mother. Im happy to be born indian and I dont have to use your phrases to prove anything, im gonna use my own way.
INDIA MAHAAN;
OUR INDIAN SOIL ;
IS NOTHING BUT GOLD.
WE NEED TO GO BEYOND;
WE ARE ALL humans ; we are all indians
we complement one another.
we make india great ...
together
ASHUTOSH (POOR GUY) MUNGERI BIKAU CONGRESS AGENT CHATUKAR HAPPY TO SEE HIS PAIN 😅 ASK ASHUTOSH WHY ( KANSIRAM) SLAP HIM😮😮😅
Notice Mr. Shehzad's courtesy in standing up as the debater from the opposition party approached. Massive respect for him. 🫡
Bharat Mata ki . Jai….
Ironically, the last speaker, in fact reiterated that as long as Sanaatanis are up and strong, Secularism can't be lost in Bharat.
It's because, every Sanaatani, including our beloved PM, are every moment of their lives aware of the foundational ideology that keeps reverberating in their hearts and minds, despite the differences in their isth devata, pooja forms, etc., very well/aptly put out in a famous, beautiful Telugu rendering which is played/sung during rituals in TTD temple ( Tirupati Balaji temple)
' Bhaavamulona bhaagyamulaanulu, Govinda Govinda.... '.
What the sanaatanis sing before their deity, echoes secularism in its most beautiful form.
People interested can search a UA-cam video to learn more about the song.
Fiju Dutta- Will Hinduism survive in West Bengal? That is the question.
Privileged people will decide what is the situation of India.
Corporates is ruling India.
Modi's Bharat Mata is Corporates.
Wonderful the last commenter talks about Hinduism. 😊
Sure Shama Muhammad...Nehru never mixed religion with politics. He was just scared of Hindu revivalism which would have been dangerous to his brand of politics and hence he opposed Dr Rajendra Prasad when he wanted the Somnath temple to be renovated. And Riju Dutta when you say that how can citizenship be based on religious lines you need to remember that partition happened not on any socio cultural or economic lines but purely religious lines. So the response to the same has to be on religious lines
secularism is a very bad idea it gives too much power to rreligion.
nehru biggest mistake is not doing total popul xchange after partition.
Hindu culture, tradition, origin is essential for our secularism. If we are fighting for religion, language. Regional interest then the end of the nation
Did'nt you know With "Sarve Bhavanthu Sukhino" Sanatan Dharma/Hinduism itself is Secularism
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hinduism has survived?well yeah we see that in modern pak and afghanistan how well hinduism has survived
GOA ruled by PORTUGUESE (JESUITS MISSIONARY) nearly more than 450 years still inspite of INQUISITION
REMAINS SANATAN DHARM MAJORITY.
secularism means equal rights for men and women in all religions.
Complete separation of religion from the government. When states controls temples then by definition India is not a secular country....
no it just means keep religion from state .
@@innogenxmarketing6975no. It means state doesnt discriminate based on religion.
Like this scheme is only for hindus etc
Secularism is not dying at all. Rather it is flowing more like river Ganga. More than necessary even.
Secularism real meaning you can see in Europe, Singapore, China. Secularism in India is appeasing one community and denying rights to other.
What kind of secular. India is always a secular country. A Gandhi and Nehru are the real culprit
Sai, Anand & Sampath is needed here
Why don't you follow this system in TV
Coz they want to increase their trp 😂.....it's obvious.....
If there were no secularism, we would have already been a pakistan or a china. The fact that the so called minority is the 2nd largest majority with a 20 cr population in this country practising their religion freely, isnt it a biggest example of secularism?
Kudos to Shehla Rashid. Long live Shehla Rashid. Keep saving secularism. Secularism is appreciating a muslim (shehla) being a hindu (Me).
Shahzad nailed it 👌
Shehzad is just too good.
Its a pity all this people who are saying secularism dying are the ones who are not secular. Simply because they do not give rights to the people who are speaking against them. Jai hind
Ashutosh is little blind from History I say bless him
Ashutosh was very entertaining as usual.
Format is wonderful 👍 Somewhat like the US Presidential Election where a hall full of crowd cheers and the leaders of the two factions debate on stage. 👍👍