How a washing machine door interlock with time delay works. (not a wax motor)

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  • @A_Casual_NPC
    @A_Casual_NPC 5 років тому +266

    You're the only man on the internet that can make me watch a 20 min videos about a washing machine door lock timer out of choice.

    • @dj_paultuk7052
      @dj_paultuk7052 5 років тому +5

      Same here, i was hooked.. Haa Boom !.

    • @tubularap
      @tubularap 5 років тому +8

      True, same for me. Bigclivedotcom is such a pleasing narrator that these videos should be broadcast in hospitals to sooth the patients. And I'm not even joking.

    • @tubularap
      @tubularap 5 років тому +12

      I'll add to that. I can see Bigclive doing inflight airplane videos, taking apart a jet engine and telling how beautiful designed it all is. You know, to calm the passengers ... ;-)

    • @LMacNeill
      @LMacNeill 5 років тому +2

      Right?! And not only watching it, but *looking forward* to watching it before even clicking on it. "Ooh -- I wonder what amazing, interesting thing Clive has found for us today!"

    • @urbanweekendwarrior7238
      @urbanweekendwarrior7238 5 років тому

      Whaaat? I click EVERY washing machine door interlock I can find. Who's this clive guy?

  • @peterweingartner4364
    @peterweingartner4364 5 років тому +38

    I've been fascinated by how everyday things work since I was a little boy, so I love your videos. There's so much hard work, expertise, and just plain cleverness squirreled away in the devices all around us we take for granted. Thanks for posting this... and all your other videos.

    • @kooseerden3767
      @kooseerden3767 5 років тому

      @Joe T the only big problem is the availability of parts, especially for cheap devices. You can replace a lot of electrical stuff but if some mechanic components fail you are screwed most of the time.

    • @mauricedaniel7930
      @mauricedaniel7930 3 роки тому

      @J0e T as xd

    • @lordsummerisle87
      @lordsummerisle87 3 роки тому

      I don't know if you've seen them, but look at "The Secret Life of Machines" with Tim Hunkin. Proper 80s/90s British "I've made this in my damp shed using a mig welder and the contents of the bin" documentaries.

  • @relph3
    @relph3 8 місяців тому +2

    I have been a subscriber of yours for a number of years now.
    Thank you Clive for videoing this. My Hotpoint 520 uses a similar interlock which seemed to have gone faulty after about 14 years use. I had no clue how the interlock system could be removed from the machine until I watched this video. Also I managed to repair it after understanding how it all actually works. Repairing it was just a case of carefully opening up the solenoid module attached to the interlock and spaying the moving parts and springs with silicone spray.
    On a side note: I looked after my mum & dad throughout 2022. My dad suffering from Alzheimer's and my mum bed bound, your video of you telling the story of you and your brother Ralph looking after your mum helped me so much mentally.
    Thank you again.

  • @devttyUSB0
    @devttyUSB0 5 років тому +7

    This was great. I always wondered what sensors would prevent me opening the door of my washing machine when its display said "-0-". It indeed takes about a minute, and is acompanied by a loud CLUNGG sound. Fascinating! No moisture sensors, movement sensors, just a bit of bi-metalic and a piece of plastic.

    • @stargazer7644
      @stargazer7644 5 років тому

      Not even a piece of bi-metallic.

  • @johnbouttell5827
    @johnbouttell5827 5 років тому +101

    Civilization: 1. Fire 2. The Pyramids 3. Washing machine door interlock with time delay

    • @oldblokeh
      @oldblokeh 5 років тому +2

      In the case of Hotpoint and Indesit: ... 4. Washing machine door interlock catches fire.

    • @darylcheshire1618
      @darylcheshire1618 3 роки тому

      I saw another version.
      Man
      1. Discover fire
      2. invent wheel.
      3 Build server

  • @MegaVoltMeister
    @MegaVoltMeister 5 років тому +2

    I love the fact that you said that no one would take this apart to fix it, but of course you did, as would I. Thanks Big Clive ! Love your videos.

  • @herenow2895
    @herenow2895 2 роки тому

    Thank you Big Clive. I had an issue with the door interlock on my machine and after listening to this video, I cleaned the PTC and associated contacts. Job done, all sorted. Many thanks.

  • @spikekent
    @spikekent 5 років тому +13

    That realy is a genius design. I always though the delay was created by some sort of slow discharge capacitor. Thanks for the explanation Clive

    • @stevedavis770
      @stevedavis770 3 роки тому

      I always assumed that it was capacitor discharge that controlled the release.
      Mine (Bosch) take five minutes to unlatch.

  • @Miata822
    @Miata822 5 років тому +3

    I love efficient design. Channels like this one go a long way towards sowing the public how things work and the effort that goes into designing even the smallest disposable components. The world would be a better place if more people were curious about the things they touch every day.

    • @EggBastion
      @EggBastion 5 років тому

      "The world would be a better place" it probably would.

  • @Hidden8Knowledge
    @Hidden8Knowledge 2 роки тому +1

    So glad i found your video!!! I've tried everything to open my washing machine door, the nylon string trick, the credit card trick, the tapping on the door trick , the green tab (which i didn't have ) but all i needed was to push the wee tab back in thank you 🙏 now to replace the lock 😀 👍
    You need to do a short version for people this would save a lot of money and stress

  • @Kineth1
    @Kineth1 5 років тому +8

    Amazing design! A great example of how spending more per unit on design can drop your materials bill and lower your per-unit cost.

  • @johncasor9698
    @johncasor9698 3 роки тому +1

    WOW... i work on washer all day and wonder how these and why they work. and i see now why i have to wait a min or two for the lock to cool down to unlock. safety first on the spinning to stop all the way... and yes renters of homes break off the handle of door or damage the door lock because the think it is stuck shut... and they just pull until something breaks... i repair these doors every month someone gives me a job... Haha... another great video... thank you...

  • @SteveBrecht
    @SteveBrecht 5 років тому +82

    "There's only so far a digital zoom can go"... haven't you watched CSI? Enhance... enhance...

    • @sebimoe
      @sebimoe 5 років тому +3

      1. You laugh
      2. AI laughs

    • @MrHack4never
      @MrHack4never 5 років тому +18

      I hate movies etc. that do that, it makes explaining computer problems/errors/weirdnesses so much harder to inexperienced computer users

    • @gcewing
      @gcewing 5 років тому +7

      Resolution of digital zoom in TV shows is limited only by quantum effects.

    • @kazumahikineet3090
      @kazumahikineet3090 5 років тому +9

      I hate movies and shows in which every action on a computer makes some kind of noise! For instance when they open up a picture or file and it beeps, would make you go crazy in real life.

    • @tubularap
      @tubularap 5 років тому +2

      @@kazumahikineet3090 -- Indeed !! The "enhance, enhance" nonsense is just that; nonsense. But the stupid noises for each digital 'movement' are utter irritation. Reminds me of automatically sliding doors in old space/scifi movies always making electronic sounds to let us know they were there. But at least that has gone now, since we have them in the present.

  • @_Ben_T
    @_Ben_T 8 місяців тому

    You have about 70% of all my household electronics questions covered here on YT. Good job sir.

  • @maxruff7645
    @maxruff7645 5 років тому +10

    Better design than my recently failed 'outwardly identical' unit. Mine had PTC & wax in a tiny bellows button (wax motor). Bellows ruptured and wax extruded. No bimetalic strip. Thanks for the dissection.

    • @johnsalmons9222
      @johnsalmons9222 5 років тому

      was thinking that could be done better /simpler with a wax motor. Had to laugh, not at your misfortune Sir, that they managed to shittify that too, thanks for your post, FIYAFE!

  • @Xaltar_
    @Xaltar_ 2 роки тому +3

    Thanks for the video, managed to fix my interlock which had come apart (slammed door) thanks to your teardown 😎👍
    Ingenious little mechanism indeed. My PTC thermister had come loose and fallen down into the bottom of the casing along with 2 little brackets. It's only a tiny savings but it saved a lot of complaining while waiting for a replacement 😂

  • @justvb2
    @justvb2 5 років тому +3

    Absolutely amazed Clive is the best Clive to see. Great engineering, no matter how simple the item is still marvelous to see.

  • @daleyurk4369
    @daleyurk4369 5 років тому

    How can you turn a boring washing machine door lock into a fascinating dissection? You are an amazing man in a lot of ways!

  • @simontemplar404
    @simontemplar404 Рік тому

    Nice exploration and explanation of the safety interlock Mr C. It is very useful understanding how a thing works when you are faced with fixing a broken one.
    I note for those with locks that do not open reliably that the fixes from the comments seem to be : Remove the plastic sliding strip. Or increase the size of the hole in the sliding strip. Or remove the lock pin. Or bypass the lock by rewiring it to disconnect the PTC and permanently apply power to the machine. Or buy a new lock and replace it, they are inexpensive.
    Note that the machine model name and number needed to buy a new lock are on a sticker on front of machine inside door. To get your stuck door open use plastic cord/fishing line wrapped round door, pushed in with flathead screwdriver - to tug towards hinge side of door on latch. Or slap panel hard to reset lock. There are other methods in UA-cam videos.
    From other videos the method to fit the new lock is : undo the clip round the rubber door seal and push the seal back inside the drum. Undo the screws holding the door lock and fish it out from the gap between the drum and the front plate. Unplug old lock, plug in new lock. Screw new lock back in behind panel, replace door seal, refit clip.
    My lock is sticking and I will probably buy a new one when I get tired of opening the door with fishing line. Stay Safe :-)

  • @yLezTilez
    @yLezTilez 2 роки тому

    I blew the plug by my washing machine long ago and have been using a thick cord from a close receptacle. I always leave it plugged in after its done because I thought it needed the power to open, and sure enough, last night, you're video is correct. Awesome video

  • @Mackinstyle
    @Mackinstyle 5 років тому +2

    I repaired my own dryer a few months back. I was so delighted by just how electromechanical everything was. No electronics. Just big obvious stuff. My cottage oven was the same way.

  • @mahmoudbitar6571
    @mahmoudbitar6571 Рік тому

    amazing content sir ,, you are the only one on the internet who showing the power consumption of the lock ,, thank you !!

  • @DanielA-yt8nq
    @DanielA-yt8nq 2 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this detailed explanation. You saved my day. I finally fix my wash machine.

  • @GordieGii
    @GordieGii 5 років тому +16

    The dark metal piece that sits on the adjusting screw is the bi-metal strip. It arches its back when it heats up.

  • @v8snail
    @v8snail 5 років тому +4

    Fisher and Paykel use solenoid locks but if the mains power is cut while spinning they generate their own power through the direct drive stepper motor.
    It's a fascinating design when you look at how they do it on the main board which dates back to the 1990's.

  • @DarrenDignam
    @DarrenDignam 5 років тому +25

    Make the ultimate HOPI meter, with no visible multiplexing, and all the read outs you're most interested in. Pink deathdaptor interface optional!

    • @DryLog420
      @DryLog420 4 роки тому

      How about a Hopi Quiktest, that could be verrrrry useful for clive :)

  • @Witheredgoogie
    @Witheredgoogie 5 років тому

    Some people appreciate fine paintings, I appreciate fine mass produced engineering ..even some beautifully made nuts and bolts can bring me joy... thanks

  • @MrBobWareham
    @MrBobWareham 5 років тому +1

    Very simple meck one bimetal strip, one heater, one microswitch so simple a clever fellow that designed it we used to replace loads of them when I was a white goods engineer Indesit were always going wrong people would phone up to say I can't get my washing out help nice video as always Clive

  • @muaries12
    @muaries12 5 років тому

    I indeed changed this very same locking device of my washing machine a few months ago. It lasted more than 10years!
    I opened (obviosly) and the ptc was desintagrated.
    It was rated for 16A so i thought the entire amperage of the machine was flowing trough this litttle device and deduced had some thermal mechanics (well i was a tiny bit right)
    Great video man!!

  • @rogerbradbury9713
    @rogerbradbury9713 5 років тому +1

    I repair the washing machines at a local launderette. Most of the machines are the 1980's Electrolux Wascator W74, if anyone knows what that means.
    With these, the equivalent part of the machine has three microswitches, all normally open. Two are closed by prongs when the door is shut. The third is closed when the locking lever is moved over by a solenoid, preventing the door catch from releasing. All three have to be closed for the machine to run.
    The delay circuit is a large capacitor and some resistors.This is energised while the machine is running, and feeds the solenoid. When the machine finishes and the power is off, the capacitor discharges, and after about 30 seconds there's a clunk when the solenoid can no longer hold in. Then the customer can open the door.
    The aluminium door catch and locking lever eventually wear, then you get customers pulling the door open before the machine has finished, and issues where the machine will stop part way through the cycle. The machines are cleverly designed and easy to work on.

  • @mda99das
    @mda99das 4 роки тому

    I have a bosch washing machine that displays door error and I came across this part DM070 and I had a good look and now I find you actually made a video on it!

  • @DavidBrown-nd9mf
    @DavidBrown-nd9mf 5 років тому +1

    I looked for an email address to send this to, but alas I had no luck. I just wanted you to know how much your channel means to me. A little over two years ago I went through four horrible life changing events. 1st was a terribly nasty divorce from extremely difficult and equally hateful ex-wife. 2nd was finding out I had colon cancer about the time the divorce was being finalized. 3rd I had reconnected with an ex-girlfriend that I had always held a special place in my heart for. She got really close to my mom while we dated and put on the best show of fake emotions I had ever seen. Little did I know the entire thing was just a very well planned and executed plot of revenge. 4th I had moved in with this chick(her idea by the way). The only reason I even agreed was because my parents were moving to the coast to get away from the mountains where we lived for close to 20 years. The day before my first chemo treatment she came home and told me that I needed to get a storage unit and move out right away. Mind you my parents had already moved 4 hours away from me and there was nothing I could do about it. Since the time of these unfortunate events I have been done with chemo for over a year and a half. I've been living on the coast with my parents for almost 2 years. All that being said it brings us to the immense value your channel holds for me. I've always been a tinkering guy that has always been interested in how things operate and function. After those tragic events I developed a sever case of PTSD, anxiety, and depression. I can't leave the house without someone being with me because I will suffer a crippling panic. Since I really haven't been able to leave the house very much I've started tinkering pretty heavy to keep myself busy so keep my mind off every thing that's happened. Your channel gives me me the same thing every day. I appreciate you and your channel. Keep up this great content and keep it coming.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 років тому

      I've noticed a pattern of cancer being associated with a stressful life. You may have made the right move. Don't underestimate the freedom of single life.

    • @DavidBrown-nd9mf
      @DavidBrown-nd9mf 5 років тому +1

      @@bigclivedotcom Very true. I'm sure the stress probably has allot to do with it but I was a master automotive paint technician and transitioned to painting airplanes and helicopters. Supposedly the chemicals and paints I had been using caused it. All I can do now is live the best life I can for myself how ever long that may be. Plus single life isn't so bad anyway. If I want to start my day off with a beer and continue that trend until I go to sleep at night no one can tell me any different. Being of German and Irish decent I don't even have the slightest problem with that.

  • @singeslayer8367
    @singeslayer8367 5 років тому +3

    Damn, Clive is good at making mundane stuff look interesting!

  • @rameg7
    @rameg7 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you Very Much Steve, I had resolved my washing machine door lock issue.

  • @markflack9191
    @markflack9191 5 років тому +30

    Some machines also have an air hose from the water level sensing system to stop the door being opened if the machine has water left in it.

    • @ironnam8107
      @ironnam8107 5 років тому +2

      Luckily mine just turns off the motor, and applies a break to the drum. If i see something i forgot i can open it, and throw it in.

    • @erikjohansson1814
      @erikjohansson1814 5 років тому +2

      Some machines heat the water too up to 90C.

    • @28YorkshireRose12
      @28YorkshireRose12 5 років тому

      My old Zanussi has that! - So is a four way interlock. Five, if you consider that as the water level operates two hydrostatic devices, 1: A hydrostatic mechanical blocker on the door interlock, and 2: a hydrostatic switch that only connects the system controller to mains when the water reaches a specific level, ergo, the machine won't start unless the door is closed, AND, the drum contains sufficient water. Similarly, the door doesn't open if there is water in the drum (power or not), and the system controller is "off-lined" if the drum should lose its water, e.g. a torn hose or bellows connector, or any other cause of leakage, e.g. user drain plug is not fully tightened.

    • @TurboTel68
      @TurboTel68 5 років тому

      The old Hotpoint 95 series had a pressure operated interlock that only locked electrically when the drain pump operated and they used to make a weird buzzing noise

    • @AngDavies
      @AngDavies 5 років тому

      @@erikjohansson1814 Clive should get a thermal camera on that strip- at 90c the door might not open either way because of the temperature

  • @SoddingaboutSi
    @SoddingaboutSi 5 років тому +3

    Its a brilliant and yet frustrating device. That says is for your own safety. Very interesting.

  • @boonedockjourneyman7979
    @boonedockjourneyman7979 5 років тому +2

    A sort of physical-thermal analog of the molecular complimentary of enzyme active site binding. Brilliant.

  • @stiffcookie
    @stiffcookie 5 років тому +22

    UA-cam: We highly recommend this video.
    Me: I don't think so...
    Also Me: Clicks anyway.
    ...
    Me again: Well played UA-cam....

    • @mangamaster03
      @mangamaster03 5 років тому +2

      Big Clive is great! I love listening to him. He's got the same peaceful relaxing voice Bob Ross does

  • @seangreaves9069
    @seangreaves9069 4 роки тому

    Great video, really helped me out when my old interlock switch fell apart on opening. Just couldn't figure out where one small piece of metal went. Even though my switch was slightly different the principle of operation proved the key.

  • @davepusey
    @davepusey 5 років тому +1

    This was very interesting. Have always wondered how it stayed locked and then unlocked itself, even without any power. Had never considering the spinning drum issue either, had always presumed it was just to keep the water in.

  • @Suresh-bx4rz
    @Suresh-bx4rz 4 роки тому

    SIMPLY Awsome!! Well explained, Very clear audio and video, Very Systematic approach, From the basics (including bimetal physics) to the details!! Great job!

  • @abelincoln95
    @abelincoln95 5 років тому +1

    True that. My front load washer won't "click" to allow opening until after the drum is idle for about 5 seconds. AND, if even while it is just filling with water, you have to press "pause" and wait 5 seconds before you can add more clothes. Genius!!!

    • @Thermalions
      @Thermalions 5 років тому

      Lucky you. Mine takes roughly 2 minutes to cool down*, which is super annoying when the drum resistance means that it stops spinning within 5-10 seconds of being stopped/having power cut.
      * Ambient is typically 25-40 C depending upon season/weather.

  • @starfox6335
    @starfox6335 3 роки тому

    Listening to your voice through Bose speakers makes my desk vibrate like crazy lol

  • @4833504F
    @4833504F 5 років тому +3

    Great topic! I always wondered how the door opens with the power to the machine unplugged

  • @victorr.5782
    @victorr.5782 4 роки тому +2

    genius design or not the time lock was so annoying, making me forget about the clothes so often i came here and learnt how to slice out that bitch little piece of plastic. such a relief, thank you Clive

  • @Petertronic
    @Petertronic 5 років тому

    How fascinating! For many years I always assumed it was a solenoid with a capacitor that caused the release delay even when un-plugged. That's why you should never assume :)

    • @NOWThatsRichy
      @NOWThatsRichy 5 років тому +1

      Thats exactly what I assumed too!

    • @Petertronic
      @Petertronic 5 років тому

      Thinking about it, the 3 watts constantly used by the lock is wasteful, considering the millions of them in operation. Perhaps another fail-safe solution should be found.

  • @SpotTiger
    @SpotTiger 3 роки тому +1

    Modern, more expensive washing machines have drum brakes and an electronic lock that is opened by the onboard computer.
    When power fails, the washing machine is permanently closed, until you go into the service door and pull an unlatching handle.
    The problem with these heater mechanisms is simple. When power fails, it'll unlatch, even if the washing machine is full of water. You'll 100% not notice in the dark and open the door.
    As to failure modes in this mechanism, it's the ceramic block. It will crumble over the span of 10 years (average washing machine lifespan), collect electrical arc marks and stop heating up enough to latch.

  • @aaaaaaaaaassssssssdf
    @aaaaaaaaaassssssssdf 5 років тому

    i love taking relays apart and cleaning them up. it's saved me a ton of money keeping 30+ year old nissans on the road

    • @simontay4851
      @simontay4851 5 років тому

      Saved you A LOT of money.

    • @aaaaaaaaaassssssssdf
      @aaaaaaaaaassssssssdf 5 років тому

      Simon Tay a ton of Zimbabwean dollars. but really one is an imported Nissan and the door relay is not available in my country at all. would be pricey to ship it from Japan. and good luck finding some of the main relays in a 280z at all

  • @hannahranga
    @hannahranga Рік тому

    Always cool to see cost optimised safety critical stuff, my day job is railway signalling so also safety critical but anything but cost optimised.

  • @just_noXi
    @just_noXi 5 років тому +6

    Need this exactly today. Thank you so much.

  • @dtgoodwin
    @dtgoodwin 5 років тому +10

    It's red hot. Grabs it again, still hot!

  • @wannabetechnician7451
    @wannabetechnician7451 5 років тому

    clives videos are edutainment in the best possible sense

  • @dsloop3907
    @dsloop3907 5 років тому +1

    Mother had a Kenmore washer that she bought in the early sixties, and still used it in 1996, when she passed. Had to have the belts replace one time, no other problems, EVER. You could run it with the lid open, no safety interlocks back then. We had more sense than to mess with it while it was running. duh.
    A clothesline was the only drier.

  • @gravey07
    @gravey07 5 років тому +1

    ‘Lock’ ness monster being drawn. Couldn’t un-see it! 😂

  • @johnf3326
    @johnf3326 5 років тому +7

    Well I'll be buggered! What I never knew I wanted to know! And a non-LED based video from B.C.

    • @GordieGii
      @GordieGii 5 років тому

      LOL

    • @maicod
      @maicod 5 років тому +1

      he could pimp the lock with one though :)

  • @jeremyvoshage2410
    @jeremyvoshage2410 5 років тому +1

    Finally a yoga block being put to proper use

  • @stevefox3763
    @stevefox3763 5 років тому +2

    I always thought that it was done using a solenoid and capacitors as the lock still functions if the mains supply is removed , nice to learn how its really done

    • @NOWThatsRichy
      @NOWThatsRichy 5 років тому

      Thats exactly what I assumed too!

    • @m.k.8158
      @m.k.8158 5 років тому

      I'm fairly sure that SOME machines DO work that way...for example Wascomat machines(used in laundromats), show a light on the front panel after the machine stops, which goes out to indicate that the door is unlocked-the light going out is accompanied by a loud "THUNK" sound, which I'm pretty sure is the solenoid being powered off and and the latch releasing.
      These machines are front-loaders, of course.

  • @SigEpBlue
    @SigEpBlue 5 років тому +2

    Safety interlocks are usually one of the first things I defeat on new appliances. :)

  • @simhong
    @simhong 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you! Finally I could fix doorlock malfunction of my dumbass samsung washer with your video!

  • @tonygibson1671
    @tonygibson1671 5 років тому +1

    I replaced a lid lock on a top loading washing machine that used a pulsed latching solenoid. The solenoid was pulsed to lock the lid before the spin cycle, and then pulsed again to unlock the lid once the tub stopped spinning. If the machine was unplugged during the spin cycle, the machine would remain locked until it was plugged back in and the cycle finished or canceled.

  • @trey1531
    @trey1531 5 років тому

    The Hopi is a hallmark of the channel. You can't get rid of it!

  • @PhilXavierSierraJones
    @PhilXavierSierraJones 4 роки тому +1

    Some newer washing machines will automatically turn on and apply inductive (regenerative) brakes if the drum is spun and the door is opened. It's quite a clever safety feature.

  • @cam2213
    @cam2213 5 років тому +1

    My job is to repair laundry equipment. You have no idea how many people complain about a safety item such as this.
    One of these to be replaced is about ~$300.

  • @ehsnils
    @ehsnils 5 років тому +5

    The amount of annoyance that timer has created compared to the few Darwin award candidates that had put their appendages in a spinning machine is incredible.

  • @felixcat4346
    @felixcat4346 5 років тому +4

    I just took mine off and jumpered it out so the microcontroller will think the door is closed this way I can adjust the amount of soap I add and put in extra cloths if I wish. Save us from the nanny state. The PTC thing can also be found in modern fridges. It prevents the compressor from starting until it gets cool.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 років тому

      The PTC in the compressor might be acting as a solid state start winding controller. There's often an anti-stall thermal switch too.

    • @felixcat4346
      @felixcat4346 5 років тому

      @@bigclivedotcom Clive, if you cycle the compressor on and off by unplugging it too frequently, the relay which includes the little disk, starts to click but the compressor wouldn't start for a while. Then if you come back a while latter, the fridge is working as it should. It acts as some thermal protection for the compressor.

    • @redpheonix1000
      @redpheonix1000 5 років тому

      @@felixcat4346 I never knew that! There's often a "quick chill" option on freezers, that when pressed starts the compressor (probably not all it does but it doesn't matter in this instance). Turning it off and back on, it doesn't start right away. I didn't realize that was a PTC too! That's really neat.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 років тому +1

      @@felixcat4346 The compressors will stall if turned off and on again while running because of the pressure of the gas. They need a pressure balancing time between runs.

  • @monomille1
    @monomille1 5 років тому +2

    Interesting I recently had to fix the switch on my top loading machine. It was also easy to replace by taking out two screws that keep the lid closed and lifting the top of the machine up - it is hinged at the back. The switch just fits into a rectangular slotted hole under the lid (no screws needed) and it is Normally Open and is actuated by a pin when the top closes. No time delay needed. Similar price. Satisfying when you can avoid an expensive visit by the official fixers to do something so simple

  • @MrRadioAct
    @MrRadioAct 5 років тому

    Many North American models use a wax motor to "lock" the door shut. The time delay created by the cooling down of the wax before the door will unlock ensures the drum has come to a complete stop if it were on high spin when power was lost.

  • @turboed350
    @turboed350 5 років тому +1

    i was wondering if maybe the ptc lost connection from that bimetallic strip since it had that other strip it kinda hooked down to but glad you showed at the end what was going on i was kinda lost thinking the strip bent the other way before that point lol. also iv seen press or punch press video that showed them mass producing little spade ends and electrical connectors for relays and stuff and the amount of steps they go through to get the end part is crazy and just how accurate the little parts are amazed me. after seeing the inside of that kinda made me think back to how all that stuff is made. its very thought out and just so crazy how fast they can make that kinda stuff.

  • @txv611
    @txv611 3 роки тому +1

    my bimetallic strip probably burnt put and stopped working....so I inserted a small piece of silicone rubber, pressing down the contact strip with the case cover to permanently close the circuit...of course I had to remove the locking pin first so that i could still unlatch the door.

  • @johnarmstrong3782
    @johnarmstrong3782 5 років тому +18

    I hate the time delay. I never could understand it. The damn door won't open for ages after the program has finished and the drum has stopped. There should be a a way to override it so I can OPEN THE BLOODY DOOR!

    • @wktodd
      @wktodd 5 років тому +1

      it also allows the washing to cool to a lower temp , which also extend the door lock time.

    • @rlowens
      @rlowens 5 років тому +1

      This video shows you exactly how to do that - just disconnect the heater wire. Saves a little energy too!

    • @victortitov1740
      @victortitov1740 5 років тому +2

      @@rlowens disconnecting the heater won't work on my machine, because it has special contacts to detect if the lock has engaged or not (and it won't start unless the lock is engaged). I had to enlarge the hole in the metal plate to defeat the lock.

    • @SeersantLoom
      @SeersantLoom 5 років тому +1

      I have toploader made by Electrolux and it seems to have a latching relay lock. As soons as the machine has done its thing, it simply clicks (more like small bang actually) and you can open it. It would be interesting to see one of those locks dissected. I guess these might have 2 relays inside or some clever way of one solenoid + permanent magnet magic.

    • @accardosappliance5440
      @accardosappliance5440 5 років тому

      If the motor doesn’t have a rpm sensor then they just guess a generic long time. Units with rpm sensors unlock when the drum stops.

  • @arongooch
    @arongooch 5 років тому +11

    The Secret Life of Machines hosted by Mr Clive

    • @RFC3514
      @RFC3514 5 років тому +2

      For anyone not familiar with the actual series:
      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Life_of_Machines
      You can find all episodes online, although the links from Tim's official site seem to be broken.

    • @tubularap
      @tubularap 5 років тому +1

      @@RFC3514 -- Very interesting series, never heard of before. Thanks for the tip and link.

    • @RFC3514
      @RFC3514 5 років тому +3

      It's surprisingly obscure, considering how amazingly good it is. I've used bits of it in lectures about digital image processing and software engineering, because they illustrate some key concepts so well. I even tried to pitch a similar show to a producer a few years ago, just so we could try to convince Tim to be a technical adviser. :P

    • @tubularap
      @tubularap 5 років тому +1

      @@RFC3514 -- Ha, great idea to get Tim to be an adviser to a revival series. I like older documentairies about technology from before everything is about processors and internet-protocols. The attention is then often truelly focused on the mechanics of the time, and not yet distracted by what's all possible in the digital realm.
      I found the same in docus about the history of the bicycle. Up untill those from the 70's the docus are about the history much more than the ones from later, that are way more about the new trends that were then coming up, like mountain bikes, new lighter materials, etc. New docus are interesting in their own right, but they have lost that focus of a time when looking back was the (only) thing to do since there were no new trends yet.

    • @RFC3514
      @RFC3514 5 років тому +1

      It wasn't really a revival series (BTW, TSLoM is not as old as it looks; it _looks_ like something from the 70s, but it's actually from 1988-1993), just similar to it in some ways.
      What I like about TSLoM is that it doesn't focus on history in abstract ("this is what happened on this date"), it's mainly about how it works, and follows the history of how each type of mechanism was invented (or made possible by another invention or discovery).
      For example, most people have no idea that the fax machine was invented before the telephone, but knowing what technology goes into each one makes that pretty logical.
      That (the history of the fax and telephone) also drives home the fundamental difference between digital and analogue processing (i.e., the way digital is inherently more robust and _easier_ to transmit reliably), which, again, is something most people don't understand.
      TSLoM is mainly about technology and _engineering,_ or at least history from an engineer's point of view. And that's sort of what I wanted to do (adding a "maker's" or "hacker's" point of view at the end) in the new show.
      But it's really hard to produce independent stuff for TV these days (archival footage can be insanely expensive unless you're working for something like the BBC, that has its own archives), documentaries sponsored by specific manufacturers invariably end up as long-form adverts for those manufacturers, and the History Channel / Discovery / National Geographic / etc., seem more interested in producing bad fiction disguised as documentaries (ghosts, aliens, cursed treasures, conspiracy theories, that sort of crap) than anything educational about science and engineering. I guess they've figured out it's cheaper, and people will watch whatever is on.

  • @ElectroXa
    @ElectroXa 5 років тому

    I wondered how the lock system was made, now I know how it's made :-) Thanks BigClive for this video

  • @SirDamned
    @SirDamned 5 років тому

    Finally something that is relevant to my life

  • @ayebraine
    @ayebraine 5 років тому +1

    Also I think that the plastic locking pin has signs of refinement too: it seems its end is shaped like a dovetail, presumably to reliably engage the bolt.

  • @jack_timber
    @jack_timber 5 років тому

    Often wondered how these work it astonishing in its simplicity.

  • @28YorkshireRose12
    @28YorkshireRose12 5 років тому

    Mein Gott, Helga! That is a very simplified interlock. You'll have to take my word for it, because I ain't wreckin' me washin' machine just to prove it, but my 25(ish) year old Zanussi has a far more sophisticated interlock than that, though the PTC pill is the same, it also has two microswitches and a hydrostatic blocking mechanism. . The basic principal is clearly the same, but in my machine, the time delay is around 5 minutes before the lock will release, this I assume is because this machine has a "Boil" option, and therefore needs longer to cool down from such a high temperature - with only one thermal interlock, it's a case of catering for the worst case scenario.
    A very interesting video to see, and quite enlightening.

  • @dan_
    @dan_ 5 років тому +2

    I'm quite scared that Google decided to recommend me this video the day after I had a fight with a washing machine door that wouldn't let me access my clothes. Somebody hold me.

  • @valimakm
    @valimakm 5 років тому +1

    We use Yokogawa WT310e power analyzers for measuring single phase equipment. It can display four different measurements at a time but I think it is in a different price range.

  • @TRX450RVlogger
    @TRX450RVlogger 5 років тому +1

    I tried to by pass mine one time. I fucked it up and some how fried the damn Circuit board.... luckily I found the part replaced it and then called to have it warranted and they never even noticed I was in there lol. The guy was like “Yeah some how the Circuit board that shorted out”. 🤣

  • @nrdesign1991
    @nrdesign1991 5 років тому +4

    My machine uses an electrically actuated lock (to lock and unlock). It unlocks as soon as the drum comes to a standstill, but requires power to do it.

    • @samuelfellows6923
      @samuelfellows6923 5 років тому

      Ennar - we have an indesit also a electronic aculated one

  • @brianallen9810
    @brianallen9810 5 років тому +1

    I've got one of these things on my top loader. It's a real pain, the washer is micro processor controlled and it has a speed sensor on the motor that senses when the drum is rotating and as long as it's rotating it will not go to the next cycle nor can you open the top. Unfortunately when the motor stops it keeps spinning under it's own momentum for about 5 minutes not including the time delay in the micro processor. I've had the thing apart to try and bypass it, but it's impossible. So I just took the interlock actuator off the door and permanently put it in the switch itself. Now I can open the door whenever I want, no kids in the house, only competent adults, so it's not a threat.

  • @BoB4jjjjs
    @BoB4jjjjs 5 років тому +1

    I was going to say that the bimetallic strip was the one below that the adjusting screw was against, but you had worked it out for yourself.

  • @ColinTimmins
    @ColinTimmins 5 років тому

    Thankyou for explaining this mechanism Clive, I have a better understanding on how it works. Useful knowledge...

  • @batsrule
    @batsrule 5 років тому

    LOL. Clive, My front loader switch died a month ago. similar switch. I thought, what a crap design. now because of you, I have a different view. thanks. fyi, the switch is AU$65 in Australia. machine is a simpson.

  • @garydiver3729
    @garydiver3729 2 роки тому

    Superb video, pity I found it after I had the exact same issue with identical door interlock and managed to work it out eventually! Never mind

  • @WarpRadio
    @WarpRadio 3 роки тому

    the bi-metallic strip is the little piece behind the PTC which touches the adjustment screw.. the strip pushes the PTC pallet into the copper spring latch.. this is done for a couple reasons; 1.. allows a safety contact to the PTC and 2.. keeps the bi-metallic piece hotter for longer (but without having the piece get too hot which would melt or deform the plastic housing.. the copper end will dissipate the excess heat and allow for thermal-expansion)

  • @Graham_Langley
    @Graham_Langley 5 років тому

    If you really want to see how cost can get designed out, compare a new machine with one say 20 years old. I recently pensioned off a '96 vintage Zanussi as the motor was starting to get rumbly and 2-month old Zanussi one came my way for way less than the cost of a new motor and here are a couple of examples.
    The hose from the detergent dispenser to the tub is now incorporated in the door seal rubber. This has the additional advantage that the whole dispenser box is flushed clean of detergent.
    Instead of having a mechanical linkage to divert the incoming water to the individual compartments in the dispenser, the new one uses two valves and some fluidics to direct the flow three ways.
    As for the door latch it's electromechanical, driven from the controller. If it's safe to open the door it'll let you.

  • @floraflex1216
    @floraflex1216 5 років тому

    Hey Clive, you have such a beautiful base-y voice, I surely can listen to this romance all day/night

  • @Crack84baby
    @Crack84baby 5 років тому

    Very nice video. I always wondered how they made the delay even when it's unplugged.

  • @TDOBrandano
    @TDOBrandano 5 років тому

    There's another advantage in having the thermistor make contact directly with the mechanism. It will rub very lightly against the contact surfaces and keep the contact relatively clean of oxidation.

  •  5 років тому +1

    Washing machines come with a ten year parts warrantee, so you only change the washing every ten years. I am amazed at how cheap they are my wife just bought a new hotpoint as our old machine died after 9 years. it cost £285 delivered. This machine has a balance system so it does not go into a high spin unless the clothes are evenly distributed, and does not bounce all over the floor. Now that is clever. How they make them for that price I do not know as the retailer has his cut and then the delivery costs have to be taken out.

    • @Petertronic
      @Petertronic 5 років тому +2

      My Bosch machine from the mid-90's did that load balancing thing, and it lasted 20 years!

    •  5 років тому +1

      @@Petertronic How do they get the costs down if they last so long?

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 років тому +2

      My Indesit load balances by detecting the motor speed ramping up and down with an unbalanced load. It also jolts the drum occasionally to see if it can separate clumped clothes.

  • @johnmorgan1629
    @johnmorgan1629 5 років тому

    Sorry Clive, it did make me chuckle a little, when you dropped the PTC heater block. But good self control on the language.

  • @jacobfuller6721
    @jacobfuller6721 5 років тому +5

    Hey Clive I've been watching your videos for some time now, you were one of my inspirations to pursue a career in the trades. That being said I work on high end appliances now like Miele, Thermidor, Dacor, and such. Would you be interested in some non-cost-optimized highly over engineered parts off of them? I know shipping to IOM is expensive but I would be happy to cover that cost if it meant getting to see those parts taken to bits.

  • @dennisjones1961
    @dennisjones1961 Рік тому

    Great video , very well explained , good job Sir,👍

  • @frankowalker4662
    @frankowalker4662 5 років тому

    Brilliant! I thought they just used a solonoid. Live and learn. Thank you!

  • @peglor
    @peglor 5 років тому +1

    If you can get your hands on the thermal cutoff switch from an electric shower there's a more impressive version of a bimetallic strip. Instead of a strip they use a disk with a slight dome, which pops from convex to concave at a given temperature, which pushes down a button under the disk, which opens contacts to disconnect the power to the shower heating element.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 років тому +1

      I did a full shower teardown. Including inside the heating chamber.

  • @wktodd
    @wktodd 5 років тому +9

    anyone else screaming "the spring bit is bimetallic":-)

    • @WyvernDotRed
      @WyvernDotRed 5 років тому +2

      Just wanted to comment that that pushes the copper part on the dimpel which acts like a microswitch.
      Don't have to comment that anymore, because he edited that in, but I still will :-P

    • @whitcwa
      @whitcwa 5 років тому +2

      Yes, but I knew Clive would get it right eventually.

  • @laernulienlaernulienlaernu8953
    @laernulienlaernulienlaernu8953 5 років тому +1

    I always assumed it stayed latched after you unplug the machine by means of timed relay powered by a battery or capacitor. Quite simple but effective. And interesting

  • @wimwiddershins
    @wimwiddershins 5 років тому

    Great stuff. I bet this has many previous iterations that it builds upon. It makes me wonder what these will look like in another 20 years.

  • @obsoleteprofessor2034
    @obsoleteprofessor2034 5 років тому +1

    I took care of a laundromat that had several $6000 front loaders. Every one had the handle or front door bent because people wouldn't wait for the time delay. The domestic top loaders have their switches get gummed up by spilled gooey soap. I started a side business selling used washers from all the easy fix machines people throw out. I charge $5 to haul them away, fix and then sell them.

    • @bigclivedotcom
      @bigclivedotcom  5 років тому

      I always had a fascination with laundromats as a kid. As with all slot machines.