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4.1 GHz 6-Core Xeon - Great performance, but is it worth it?
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What id like to see you do is a extreme high end aliexpress build. Basically the best performance you can get for a certain budget.
"A lot of you are watching this for entertainment". I have two now older but high end Ryzen systems and I love your videos because they are informative and show me alternatives to spending more than I can afford at times. Keep the awesome work going Phil, your great at teaching me about products I'm not aware of.
I'm watching it so I don't have to waste money on Ryzen.. Have a i5 4670K currently and Xeon's are definitely the better value. Ryzen is almost kind of close but not close enough.
@@aaronnoneya8071 That's a case of too much product and not enough demand lol, nonetheless the Ryzen's still have far newer accompanying specs (DDR4 and PCIe 4 to name a couple) that sweeten the deal for people who game.
@@alexsurber9404 DDR4 isn't really even much faster then DDR3 and DDR3 always has much tighter timings.. Which makes the difference in ram speeds really not matter at all.
@@alexsurber9404 also PCI E 4.0 is virtually useless and won't see even the slightest difference even with a RTX 2080 Ti
@@aaronnoneya8071 Not "much" tighter, slightly if at all and extremely dependent on the quality of the DDR3 you buy. RAM speed is significant especially with Ryzen in question, it could make a Ryzen either significantly beat or slam an outdated Xeon through the floor seeing as it's tied to interconnect speed. So, it's absolutely relevant to any conversation regarding both, and regardless of anything else faster is faster.
PCI-e x4.0 is quite useful if you utilize NVMe, but it's probably of no concern to someone who buys an outdated server part and motherboard for their daily driver anyways.
Also, an upgrade path to a second gen 7nm CPU (Ryzen gen 4) is a pretty nice thing for a gamer when they creep down into the price point they want to purchase at.
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The Shadow of the Tomb Raider bench is one of the best indicators of CPU performance and even a 2650v2 is significantly behind a second gen Ryzen, you'll be half as good as Ryzen gen 4 which a first gen Ryzen buyer would be able to slot in a couple of years without an entire system rebuild.
good thing you looked at the VRM, even more professional reviewers don't mention that while it's the most important part for overclocking.
In this case the VRM didn't matter at all because he didn't have the bios option to raise vcore xD
gameres nexus op
Because any good non Chinese motherboard isn't going to have vrm issues with overclocking something like this to 4ghz.
U sayin hes no professional? Jk
You can solder a 10k ohm resistor between one of the chips and a ceramic cap and OC further. Got me to 4.2 on a 1620 0. This board also really likes PC3L RDIMMs. Got 24gb (sorta mismatched but performs fine) @2133mhz with 10-10-10-28 timings from 1333mhz 9-9-9-24 stock
how you over clock ram if bios have max 1866 ?
@@LordLab There's a couple bioses out there. One that just forces 1866 like the one Phil has shown, one let's you go up to 2133 and let's you play with the timings. Both are available on the Russian site E5450.
@@LordLab Sometimes you can also just use the headroom to go for lower latency if it can be set. Either way can net you some performance. (speed arguably more though)
wishus knight in this boards no settings to change ram cL
@@LordLab bummer. :( There is possibly SPD burning to pick different values.
Great Vid as usual Phil. I have the exact same MB/CPU combo as my daily driver. I have tried the 4 core, 6 core, 8 core and 12 cores V2 Xeons. I think the 6 core is the sweet spot for all round use. Actually it is also used as a 3D Render Workstation, really what this platform was intended for. The real advantage to mention is the 40 PCI lanes direct to CPU. I'm running 4 GPUs...work out how I achieved that with only two 16x PCIe slots. I run the system hard at times, 100% load on the CPU and 4 GPUS (1500W PSU) for extended periods and it performs flawlessly. A lot of heat but I use water cooling. Now, here's the kicker. Because my use case is mostly GPU Compute, this system outperforms current gen systems in rendering and OpenCL compute at 5 times less the price.. Good buying! You know, it always makes me wonder why the average gamer spends so much on high end PC hardware just to game at frame rates that are just not needed. Sure, each to their own I guess.
Nice, I'd love to know just what your doing and how you managed that in your pc!
@@JD96893 Nothing I can claim as novel. Just 2 x Radeon Pro Duos == 4 GPUs. Around the same compute (FP32) performance as 4 x 1080 TI's but within only two slots. www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-pro-duo.c2828
Another great video! It's important to look at these components from a global perspective like you do, for those without access.
For the curious, at a similar clock speed (4.1ghz) my Ryzen 5 1600x completes cinebench R20 with a 3050 point score when running 3000mhz RAM at CL16.
E5-1660 ($110) at 4.4 GHz completes R15 with 1109 points. 32GB of 4 ch DDR3 EEC at 1600Mhz. Scored 2000 pts in R20.
@@jb678901 E5-2689 (55$) at 2.6 ghz 16 gb DDR 3 eec 1600 . Scored 1990 in R20
I have:
Ryzen 7 1800X 3.6 GHz default, 8C16T
8 GB 3200 MHz CL16 (Setting to 3000 MHz give lowers points by 30 points, which is not a big deal).
Cinebench R15 gives 1643 points
Overclocking the CPU to 4.0 GHz gives 1765
Its a great video, but Ryzen 1600 costing almost the same and b350 motherboards too. DDR4 is a little more expensive. So Ryzen 1600 is the good choice on Aliexpress. If people goes with Xeon, they should look for the more cheapest available. Same for X79 motherboard. Otherwise will be much smarter buying a Ryzen 1600 instead.
I just put a very cheap E5-2690 v1 (£30) in my 8-year-old Gigabyte X79-UP4 board, 16gb of ram oc 2o @2000, with a small base clock overclock @106.2mhz, multi at x33, 3.5ghz on 8 cores, 4.1ghz on 1 core etc, CB20 3012, CB15 1376 zero bottleneck with an rx5700tx x2.
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Good review again Phil. I like that you Show the gameplay footage and not just graphs. Many who look at graphs are tempted to overpay for the hardware that is in the top. They will pay 3 times the amount for 200 fps, compared to 150 fps. Wasteful consumerism.
95+% of all gamers can perfectly live with what you have here... But they are marketed hypnotized by many other reviews, and the hype going on.
99+% people can't notice the difference between 150 and 200 fps anyway. It's just numbers. I think Only about one third of people can actually notice/feel the difference from 60hz (usable 60fps) to 120Hz(usable 120fps) But I'm sure the majority who can't are still brainwashed to think they can and want that 120/144 hz(fps). A/B "blind" tests have proved that several times ;)
I also remember some comment I got on my add's where I have sold Xeon powered Gaming PC's ... Hey Xeon are server CPU.. Not for gaming. Funny when some 16 year old kid is trying to teach someone who has more computer experience years than the age of that kid :D
I like that we can get new motherboard for the huge lefteover of the great S-2011 Xeon CPU from Ex-servers. It's, just sad that they have to be cheap chinese made. I wished the major brands would make new exclusive full X79 boards again.. But the problem is that Intel will not cooperate with that. They want to sell NEW chips. New (cheaper-made) chips for more money.
^nailed it. People get obsessed with fps numbers
Some goold old Xeon madness.
Another great video, this is why I subbed and notice there are no dislikes, you know you're doing something good when that happens
@MichaelKingsfordGray it doesn't mean that lol
please use cinebench r15 too please, many people cant really get a proper overview of performance.
That's a really good GPU score in fire strike with a 6c12t Ivy Bridge chip. My Sapphire Nitro+ RX 480 8GB OC (1342MHz) gets a 15,600+ with the 8700K. So it definitely can run games. I'd like to see CRYSIS 3 run on the XEON, specifically the open feild sequence, when the game really hammers the CPU. It took my 5GHz 8700K up to 53% usage and on a ivy bridge 3770K i have clocked at 4.8GHz to almost 100% utilization.
Yeah, This system can hang with the best of them for certain.
I just got a E5 1680 v2 . It's the 8 core version. I run on a OC of 4.6ghz and wow what a great CPU!
Jeeze what did you pay?
These type of videos is the reason i subbed.
Keep these videos coming!
Ya this videos r great
I got Dell Precision T3500 (X58 platform) from ebay for $100 and bought Xeon W3680 from Aliexpress for $45. I used throttlestop to OC it to 4.1 GHz (Stable P95/AIDA64) on all 6 cores. So For $145 + cost of Graphics Card I have a cheap gaming experience.
With the new generation of Epyc, we will see a lot of used xeons on the market in the next years, those are going to be awesome!!!
I am patiently waiting for those 2011-3 prices to come down :)
Seeing your dude surrounded by zombies in Strange Brigade, throwing a grenade at his feet and then sprinting away like nothing happened really highlights how games these days are just super-easy fluff designed to FEEL challenging.
games today arent made by programmers but by a group of psychologists and marketing people.
@@laharl2k uh huh, yeah no it doesn't work like that.
TheHavocInferno tell that to all the loot bosex and "surprices" most aaa companies have added to their games.
Yes, but no.
Yes, older games were less graphically impressive but waaaaaay more fun. I dont get th he same feelin playing new games no soul in em.
you should make a collab with "tech yes city", your channels are about the same things (and both from australia hehe)
Yea I know Brian of course :D
@@philscomputerlab Phil is there anywhere where you speak about the possible danger of chinese chips? I am sure you are aware about the possible spying. But that is Americans biggest fear, especially with Chinese evasive Credit score. And with that comes all their spying to make sure you don't talk against them. Huawei?
@@Brian-vz7xe K... Chill...
@@Brian-vz7xe that is what Donald Trump said and i dont know why anyone voted for such a stupid leader.
@@Brian-vz7xe what kind of pot is that?
I really cant explain why I love these custom feely Xeon stuff thingies so much. I remember buying that Xeon E3-1231V3 back in the days and feeling all smart about it for having such a good price value.. haha
you answered your own question :)
@@kfire69 it's the efficiency but it also feels special and unique. Almost like Lego for computers
R5 1600 is around $80 in AliExpress, pair that with a low end $50~ B350/450 mobo and you got yourself a good gaming PC with also a good upgrade path. Only do these old Xeon if you are REALLY REALLY tight on budget, because it has no upgrade path and the fact that Ryzens & DDR4 ram are getting cheaper and cheaper on AliExpress, the price difference isn't that big.
Or just to mess with this platform. I plan on building a system with some of these old Xeon parts despite having a Ryzen 2600 build as my main PC. It's just fun to play with this once eye wateringly expensive stuff.
Sale prices for brand new R5 2600 are about the price of the Xeon tested, while the Ryzen has half the TDP and the upgrade path. It only lacks Win XP support (this is Phil's retro channel after all).
I expected that old Xeon and second hand i7 series CPU should rapidly drop in price to stay competitive to the amazing value Ryzen offers, but it is not happening that fast. Ali and Ebay prices seem so inflated IMHO (just ran a quick search for Haswell consumer and server chips - it is insanely expensive).
Hell ya! I was pricing Used Ryzen Pro 2400ge for a home server build. Not bad prices. Just need AsRock Pro board and ECC DDR4 2400mhz Ram.
Why 2600? just get a 1800x. A x370 or B450 will overclock.
Or because you want a little Workstation with Quad channel Ram, an M.2 and shit load of cores. Not everything is about gaming but its nice if your 2nd machine can do a bit of gaming if you have a kid and want to give them a "My first gaming rig". I had a GTX960 going spare so i got a Xeon and made a mini-workstation. Suits my needs.
It's March 2021 and I'm still running this processor in a HP Z420 with 32GB 1866 quad channel and an EVGA GTX1080Ti FTW3. It runs all the games I want, my latest being Control. I love this old platform. Totally reliable and overclocked to 4.1ghz all day.
Phil, one thing to remember about Amazon & Australian users - Amazon disables shipping to Australian addresses and PO Boxes unless you're buying from Amazon Australia and *only* Amazon Australia. Like if you try to make an order from Amazon US to be shipped to an Australian address, you will *not* be able to finish the order without changing the shipping address to one outside of Australia
If you find a deal on some other version of Amazon like Amazon US or Japan, you better hope you have a friend in that country (or at least a friend in the US) who can act as the relay between Amazon and you as an Australian, by shipping the order to them and having them ship it on over to you.
Yea I bought from Amazon AU store I believe! Got some RAM, CPU coolers, Thermal Pads, so that worked quite well.
I love the Xeonvideos. I got an E5649 on a X58 Board. Still a Beast and great for Overclocking. 4GHz are no Problem.
go for 4.5GHz till 1.45 Vcore is still save to use with good cooling
@@snowsaysahhh3037 Yeah, you 're right. An X5650 of mine did not like 1.54V (for ~4.6 GHz (=209 MHz *22)) over longer time and degraded, but an X5675 much better binned does take "only" 1.44V for ~4.7 GHz (=204 MHz *23) with ~4.9 GHz (=204 MHz *24) boost and still runs fully stable and thanks to a 34€ second-hand NH-D14 and the solder beneath the heatspreader it does "only" hit 90 °C under full sustained load. But of course that is helped by the fact that AVX is unsupported, but SSE op to 4.2 will do most stuff. Also this is done on a 40€ mainboard (dirty and socket-damaged MSI X58 Pro-E, refurbished by me with a flat screwdriver and a brush with brake cleaner) that uses high QPI voltages of >1.45V, but I don't know why, but it needs it. Another Gigabyte board does 200 MHz BCLK with
@@snowsaysahhh3037 Its Watercooled ;)
@@aoelp exactly i had an x5670 was at 4.5 with 1.41Vcore only downside is literally the Ampere and Watts it pulls from your psu mine pulled in cb R15 about 210 watts that it tripped my overcurrent protection in my psu was fun had to Upgrade that psu then it was fine.
Ur a German? lel :D
I have a Xeon X5670 @ 4.4GHz with 1.375 Vcore
Hi Phil, this is a very interesting video but I don't understand the point of these gaming tests. I mean, what would be interesting is to know how does it compare with a core i7 or anything that is more common in order to evaluate if it makes sense buying or not, because right now, after seeing this video the only thing that we know is that this CPU is fine if you want to play at 720p which I guess nobody cares honestly. When you test something "exotic" like this you need to compare it with something that is well known otherwise the results are worthless. Hope you will take this comment with the right spirit and thanks for all the nice content you create!
This CPU should be in the approximate ballpark of the Ryzen 1600/2600, both stock and overclocked, though I wouldn't sign my name to that with these motherboards.
I've explained the 720p in the video, what is your concern?
@@philscomputerlab Yes but this is clear, you had to scale to 720p because of the RX580, my "concern" is that you have 6 minutes (and a lot of work behind I guess) of worthless results, because we don't know how another CPU (let's say an i7 4770) compares with the results, so why you did these tests? Just to demonstrate that the overclock is stable? That's a lot of work to prove something that everybody here would have trust you at 100% without 25 min of "isolated tests"... you could have used this video to put the 1650@4.1Ghz against some other processors, that would have been infinitely more useful in my opinion... Well, maybe next time ;)
Yes! I love these videos!
Edit:i would like to tell you my parts came and the price to performance is great! I use a e5 2689 with this same motherboard.i might buy a cpu to overclock to see better performance i planning to get a e5 1680
Finally the video I have been waiting for! 👍
This is the review I've been waiting for from you actually. Thank you Phil!
Thanks, I appreciate the comment!
I have a xeon 5675 overclocked to 4.5 ghz on 1366 motherboard with 24 gig 1866 Mhz ddr3 ram and it is absolutely amazing. And I could easily overclock it to over 5 ghz! With a radeon Rx 580 8GB. It is like a new computer. These xeons are amazing!
I picked up a HP Z420 for $200. Came with Xeon 1650 v2, 32gb ddr3 1866mhz ram. I added some drives, a gtx1060 6gb and an extra 120mm workstation delta fan and its a pretty sweet machine for cheap. Using Intel XTU and Throttle Stop software combined it runs 4.3ghz rock solid bone stock but I did upgrade to the Cooler Master T4 cooler as its slightly better than the stock and is the only large after cooler I could find that fit in the stock case. Games quite well the gtx1060 usually maxes out well before the Xeon 1650v2.
Located in the US and have a ton of DDR3 ram, with prices going up on DDR4 I think these systems still make sense. Currently have this board on the way from ebay for like $67 shipped and a e5 2650 v2 for $53 shipped. A good deal for sure but I never buy new stuff anymore. Pairing with a used RX 580 4gb I ordered for $75 shipped.
NIce! I have a 16 core 32 thread system with 32gb of ram I've had since 2014, the performance is great for the money and I upgraded it to having a 1080 and 1070 tI nvidia graphics card
Autumn of 2022: I am still gaming on a Xeon W3690 6C/12T from 2011.
Packed on a Gigabyte GA-EX58-UD4P mainboard with 3x 6GB RAM, a RTX 3060 and a Samsung EVO860 SSD.
Runs like a charm
the 16XX-V2 series will support memory higher than 1866. I recently went from an E5-2690 (SB-EP) that was limited to 1600, to an E5-1680-V2 that I am running the memory at 2133 CL9-11-10-27-54-2t. So far I've clocked the 1680-V2 to 4.7GHz all-core, but my goal is to hit 5GHz+ on it. Of course, my advantage is that I am running it on the EVGA X79 DARK.
The older XEON's are now becoming much more viable price wise, when compared to their i7 counterparts. As for the X79 platform, the E5-1680-v2 is really the ultimate CPU. Though to unlock it's full potential, a high end MB is a must.
Yeah, it can go higher just fine. I have my Corsair Vengeance Pro running at the default XMP of 2400MHz CL11 (8 x 8GB) just fine with my 1680 V2. Haven't tried to adjust the timings or anything on it with my Asus X79 Deluxe.
@@smbu Yeah mine was XMP as well, on DominatorGT (8x4GB). I haven't had much time to do any proper overclocking, cause I'm super busy with work this time of year. That was just a quick multiplier/voltage OC. Haven't even delved in to the VRM frequency, RAM timings, BCLK, etc yet. I know it can handle a strapped 125MHz BCLK with a lower multiplier, as I've seen many CPU-z screenshots indicate. I am on a large custom loop, so temps won't be an issue either.
I've always admired RGIHD, BBO, TYC and LSG but with this one video you've become my favourite computer builder.
doing further research i compared this chip to a ryzen 5 3600...the only advantage the xeon has is the number of PCI lanes..but they are Gen 3 whereas the ryzen is gen 4...the ryzen also kills it when it comes to L3 cache..the ryzen having 32MB the Xeon only 12MB. i state these figures because they were not mentioned in the video. on Ebay i only found a few of these Xeons for under a 100 bucks..and of course the 3600 is 200 bucks...im not sure if any Xeon made can match or beat the 3600..for 200 dollars..so as i see it i wouldnt buy these xeons unless I found one or more for around 50 dollars.
that said..very nice video Phil, your one of my favorite tech you tubers and i believe you go out of your way to bring high quality content no matter what genre of PC hardware...
most xeon buyers go for the 2689 for 50$ that has been shown in another video and is great value, especially when the bank's empty :) third gen ryzen is a completely different price segment
Value is still questionable vs. 1st gen Ryzen, though. Cheap motherboards really make for a good value proposition.
I got my Xeon's overclocked to 4.6 GHz on an EVGA SR2 motherboard, and it's still ass-kicking even by today's standards
Self-assembled computers on this platform are popular in Russia.
It is necessary to flash the BIOS and make a voltmod of the motherboard, in this case, normal overclocking of RAM and CPU will become possible. In my case, the E5 1650 V2 processor works stably at a frequency of 4.3 GHz, and RAM at a frequency of 1866 MHz with low latencies, if the Chinese crooks did not flash RAM, then it would be possible to work stably at a frequency of up to 2133 MHz.
By the way, you also have acquired poor RAM, the true frequency for which the chips are designed can be viewed on the datasheet, the markings can be seen by removing the radiators.
Fantastic stuff Phil! I would love to see you do a complete Aliexpress build, especially to see the price to performance. Keep up the great work.
Built four of these Chinese X79 computers. Put together cheap. M.2 NVME boot drives. E5-2630v2, E5-2650v2, E5-2696v2, and E5-2680. Good Cinebench R23 scores.
Nice Video phil, gives a good overview on how good an unlocked processor can perform on such an old platform which is even relevant today!!!
literally started fist pumping when you said the 1650 v2 is fully unlocked. i have one laying around ive been saving for a project but the mobo doesnt support overclocking and i didnt know if it was because a xeon cpu or mobo. Thanks!
Just got a E5-1650 v2, 16 gb 1866 Ram 4x 4 Quad Channel, and the plexhd Turbo for $215!!!! FYI I did some deal hunting you will probably pay more. WOOOO!!!!
I just picked this CPU and motherboard for $140. I think it'll be a good pair for my gtx 1660 super.
Hey can someone find a link to this motherboard please i cant find it
@@lellienicole I bought mine on eBay and it finally came in after a month. I can link the eBay listing bought from if you want.
That is actually not a bad overclock. 4.1 on all cores is most of the way to their max. Decent specimens may hit 4.3-4.4 without going crazy with the voltage. And the 1866 C12 dimms gave me a bit of a shock. You can gain several bins worth of performance just by using C8 or C9 dimms at that speed.
Yea the performance is quite decent. Still a real shame that I couldn't raise voltage and take it to 4.4 or something like that.
@@philscomputerlab Yeah, IvyBridge has pretty good IPC so the difference becomes noticeable even with a small bump like that. If the board has settings for it, you may be able to squeak out a little more if you lowered the all core max, and without having to up the voltage. Of course that does no help for the games with fat threading.... But it does give the computer a slightly snappier feel in most other tasks.
I also maintain that non parody ram at 1866c9 would give an automatic boost of about 10% everywhere. Even on a quad channel system!
@@wishusknight3009 I recently tested this KLLISRE board, this one has a higher voltage out of the box, but it didn't OC at all. So yea, it's a real mess with these boards.
@@philscomputerlab Interesting. I would bet some of them don't adhere very well to the voltage ladder that Intel specifies. Perhaps suffering from more vdroop or just under volting at higher multipliers. Or they don't implement any sort of load based vdroop compensation. It doesn't surprise me.
Ivy bridge also had a pretty hard wall for its overclocking limits as well. It was like they could clock to a decent speed at stock voltage, but then you were pouring voltage on to get just a tiny bit further. "They did what they did, then they did no more..." Alot like my toyota...
Mine runs 4 4ghz on a plex hd x79. It's not prime stable but it runs games just fine !
Very informative ! 😃
Fair pros and cons.👍
The Best overclock vídeo.
in Brazil a xeon kit from Aliexpress costs the price of a new motherboard and can be up to 3x cheaper depending on the model.
wow, this is a great processor! i spent my afternoom watching your videos of various Xeons, but this one have less cores, but more clocks!
and AC Odyssey handled pretty well, even some recent cpus get in the 45 fps at the most demanding areas.
what i enjoyed, was that you ran the games on several resolutions.
I have a HP Z420 I recently bought that came with a E5 1650 v2. With a GTX 1060 and 32 GB of RAM in quad channel it destroys every game I play. Pretty nice CPU.
That's bad destroyed every games.
Waaawww... you're so mad....
Just came here to put a thumbs up w/o even having seen the video 😎 . Thank you Mr Phil!
Coming back to this 2 and a half year old post to tell you how bad ass these Xeons are. Just bought a E5-4627 v2 for $35, cheap ECC memory and paired it with one of those Chinese motherboards. Stock settings, 1600MHz memory, smashed a Ryzen 3 1300, traded blows with a 2600 and tied up with a Ryzen 3100. I was astounded at how well it performed. These platforms or worth considering more now then ever!
I had to search up your CPU! It has 8 Cores and decent clock speed. No wonder you're happy :D
Yeah microcenter spoils you, you can get a Ryzen 5 1600 for $79.99 USD, sometimes you can find one open box for $64. Pair it with an openbox B350 or B450 board for 50 to 70, and throw in some memory and you've got your base. I don't completely recommend them for graphics cards as their GPU prices can sometime be suspect, but they're an awesome source for just about everything else.
who told you he only creates content for americans?
@@francescovolpini
No one? He had only mentioned that if you were not lucky enough to live near a Microcenter then these are other options you could look at. To which I responded that yes I was relatively lucky in regards to access to a Microcenter and that access does indeed spoil you with options if you live near one. I do realize he's Australian and makes these videos for the world and not just Americans, I'm curious where that thought came from honestly?
@@artk2219 oh, i see now! i thought you were just one of those arrogant american kids. i didn't realize this comment was a "response" to his thoughts about micro center. i'm very sorry! :(
This is my daily driver still. While I don't have a motherboard that allows for overclocking, I am running it in an HP z620 which has quad channel RAM compatibility. I haven't seen quad channel on the Chinese boards, but it's cool that yours is.
An ALL Ali Express build, including even the case, PSU and GPU would be awesome!
build a case from scrap wood
@6:49 60C/120T, that's a bloody fantastic chip you got
That's four of them XD
I ended up with a P9X79Pro that I purchased in a package locally (p9X79Pro + i73820 + 32 GB Hyper Fury 1600 DDR3 + CoolerMaster Tower Cooler, all for $220). The motherboard is in great condition. Paired with with my E5-1650V2 and what a difference. CB R15 goes to 1140 with GTX980OC and CPU at 4.5GHz. Temps...INTEL burntest to 71C, but usually stay mid 60's at 100% loads. Gaming temps are fine. PerformanceTest64 has CPU = 15826.
If I priced the DDR3 at around $100, the i7 for about $70, and the CoolerMaster for about $30...the motherboard cost me about $20!!!!!!!!
Another great video Phil 👍
I'm from Brazil and these are worthy! one other to look is the e5-1660 (v1), it's half the price!
Eh entao. Eu acho que o v0 é mais negócio. Metade do preço por 15% a menos de desempenho.
Preço é algo muito relevante nesse tipo de setup. Eu acho q o v2 é excessivamente caro por causa do número grande de vídeos a respeito/entusiastas procurando e pq 40 dólares é troco de bala nos países desenvolvidos
@@galerinha V0 é o que eu chamei de V1 kkk é o sandy briedge. mas já tem pci-e 3.0 e tudo. excelente
@@DanielGT_93 eu sei só estava concordando kk comprei ele hoje no aliexpress mas so chega la pra julho
You are correct about Ryzen being a better option in some markets. I looked at prices in the U.S. without using Microcenter. A Ryzen R5 2600 and a Asus or MSI B450 motherboard are $200-$215 U.S.
The E5-1650 V2 sells for $100 and up on eBay in the U.S. not including shipping. The Prices from AliExpress including shipping aren't any better. The E5-1660 V2 is $150 and up in the U.S. The Plex x79 HD motherboard is $85+ including shipping from AliExpress to the U.S. Considering the limitations of the older socket 2011 platform and motherboard(no PCIEx4 NVMe support, no USB 3.1, etc...), the Ryzen seems like the better option, especially if you have to add cards to get newer features.
I subscribed to your channel your content is amazing.
i just like kinda people as you cos is nice to see people look out for us all.stay safe watching now in 2021
Great video, thanks Phil. :)
What I'm looking forwards to most of all in the coming months are prices tanking across the board for older X79 and X99 platforms, thanks to all the new Ryzen stuff we just got. I'd love to get my hands on some really cheap X79/X99 motherboards from the top brands, and make some awesome and cheap workstation builds with old Xeons and ECC memory.
But yeah, for budget gaming in the next year or three, nothing is going to touch a Ryzen 1600 + decent GPU on a cheap B350 or B450 motherboard. The value there is outrageous, for real. Budget gaming has never been close to this good!
We will be looking at Ryzen stuff soon!
I ran one of these systems until 2020 and it was great!
Thanks for the review
I actually built the exact system and i have to say i in love with this cpu
U detailed the x79 board so well
Ya make a ali express pc
I love these videos. Just what I need.
I'm in the states just watching for entertainment 😊
Great Video, Phil !
Over the last few months some of these unlocked XEONs have come down in price. I picked up on a local purchase an E5-1650V2 for only $60. From a US eBay seller, an E5-1680V2 for $155. Pretty decent performance for the money, IMO.
Good work!! Nice video
I wouldn't recommend use of userbench, their benchmarks are very inaccurate.
True.=! They changed their scoring algorithm to favor strong Single Threaded Performance.
Are there any differences in building a PC with a server motherboard compared to normal motherboards?
You can use used server RAM for them, which are usually cheaper than non ECC ones.
Those cuts in your knuckles at the 20 minute or so mark are familiar. I got mine installing a heatsink on this LGA775 system I got on the cheap.
Yea, that was the last time I tried to review a case :D Open test bench FTW.
Phil....don't dismiss us Yanks. Your videos are absolutely informative. They're also a fantastic way to budget build. Even here in the states.
Your video is very awesome. I'm really into the reusing of old serverhardware.. I think its pretty ingenious. You get very good value and performance, something I very much like and even more so it feels kinda special using stuff thats actually not supposed to be used for desktop stuff :D
I am on my 2nd year with a 1650v2 oc'd to 4.2 (only tried 4.2 recently) from 4.1ghz on an unbranded mb, 1600gb ddr3 and tho it seems fast, userbenchmark puts my score around 108. I am holding out for the Ryzen 3850. I would not build one of these today if I was having to buy all major components, Ryzen 3600 is a better way to go. I had to drop the overclock to 4.1ghz as it would shut down and reboot on some games. Bummer. My SanDisk ssd is getting a horrible score on userbench.
Nice! I've been contemplating getting a 1680v2 and a nice motherboard, getting a whole bunch of ECC memory and overclocking it to 4.5ghz +, but I think for the price I may as well just go for a 9900k, although 64gb+ of DDR4 non-ECC memory is extremely expensive compared to the equivalent of DDR3 ECC, so it's a tough choice.
If the 1680v2 goes down to around £100/$120 in the next few months I'll jump on it.
There are some 8 core xeons that are unlocked and are screamers that some of them top out around 5.2ghz but sometimes even higher.
Name a few for us with cheap tickets?
Thanks! 😉
I really enjoyed this video, and I wish I knew of these processors before I built my current system. Now I'm rocking 2x E5-2667v2, 128gb ram and a supermicro X9DRI-F motherboard. I know the asus z10pe-d8 which allows you to overclock dual CPUs. You can get this board in eBay for $150 usd, and the d16 has twice as many ram slots. 8 cores at 4.1ghz, dual CPUs would be insane. I'd love to see how modern ryzen would compare.
If you're ever curious maybe you could test out that board! Love your channel so far, new subscriber. So many just review new stuff and I love it when I see someone take a look into the past and breathe life into old technology.
Please be sure to follow up with Cinebench and Userbench score comparisons with equal value Ryzen systems. Plex Turbo, 1650 v2 with 16GB ram is at Aliexpress now for just over 200USD. Great video, thanks. I have a 1650 v2 with a Quadro M4000, for video editing and some scientific processing, works great. Wish my motherboard had NVME M.2 though. Tempted to just by the motherboard and swap out.
Lol. I love how he exposes aliexpress sellers declaring a lesser value on exports.
Headed to Microcenter later today but I still enjoy watching what you're doing. Interesting to see this setup bottlenecking an RX580. I'd like to see an head to head against the Ryzen 1400.
I'm about to make a budget build for gaming with this kind of motherboard (aliexpress x79 mobo, probablly kllisre or hunan) and cpu, which Xeon cpu would you reccomend for gaming? I've heard that E5 2650 v2 is good, but is there cheaper that's still good or is it the best? I don't really know so i would appreciate some help!
Thanks!
2680 or 2690
The E5 2689 seems like the best buy for budget. 8c/16t runs at 3.3ghz on all cores and it costs $50-$55, so it's cheaper than most.
2650v2 and 2689 are good deals with the v2 having way better temperatures and lower power consumption. If you have to go real budget the 2630v2 is a good choice. The PlexHD is a great board but for a bit more money you can get boards with actual x79 chipsets like the X79-P3S by Jingsha or the Huananzhi Gaming Deluxe. If the board features 4 USB3 ports at the back it has a genuine x79 chipset. Just don't go for the cheaper boards that do not feature quadchannel like the E5 3.5C and sorts, it is not worth it for saving 10 bucks to miss out on this great feature. Even cheap DDR3 1333 is performing extremely well when put in quadchannel.
@@thomasschraubt7497 Yeah i definitely wanted the quad channel so at least for that i've payed attention , but i didn't know you can clarify so simply which one actually have genuine x79 chipset, thanks for that , although i never saw one like that and didn't find one on aliexpress either.
@@matthewb2366 the aliexpress search function is a mystery, I only find everything if I use private browsing :/ this is the kind of board that you can find for 70-80€ depending on the shop xeon-e5450.ru/socket-2011/motherboards/jingsha-x79-p3/ just auto-translate this site with your browser and you will have all the information necessary. in this wiki they cover almost every chinese x79 board so take your time before you buy one :)
I bought a HP Z420 for $180 that had a Xeon 2650v2, 32gb 1866 ddr3. Swapped in a 1650v2 and using Intel XTU I can make all 6 cores boost to 3.9ghz and if I run Throttle Stop on top of that I can set both programs to 4.4ghz and its stable. I run 4.3ghz to be a bit cautious and it never breaks 72c with a Cooler Master T4 air cooler. Its getting harder to justify these old xeon systems when 1st gen used Ryzen CPUs and mobos are getting so cheap. Ive built many PCs going back to 1999. This time around I just wanted something cheap, easy and reliable so HP Z420, SSD, GTX1060 and done.
love this guy.. always informative and interesting.. not a bag of trash like linux tech shitz.
love your videos can you do one modifying the bios please
On stock I guess its like a amd r5 1600x
Actually, xeon on stock is quite a bit slower then. (my bad)
@PhilsComputerLab, my bad, turns out userbenchmark has changed their score algorithm for cpu and gpu, so the score are different now.
I also found that price for most of the parts are even or even higher than a new, well-known-brand one (110$ for 1650, 70$ for x79, 17$ for cooler). the only deal here is the ram: 32GB for only 50$ (the speed is decent too, judging from the userbenchmark score)
Could you make some comparison tests with high cores CPUs with HT disabled?
A fun video, as always. I did finally think of a possible retro video to make: DOS compatibility under OS/2, especially with various (MS-DOS, DR-DOS, etc) boot images. More of a silly side project if you want to show just how close (or far) OS/2 was to being a real alternative to Windows 3.x/9x. You can then experience the joy of getting audio playback, so long as you go into properties and enable real IRQ/interrupt sharing. :) Even without that, it'll be really cool to see just how well a new Ryzen compares to some older server hardware in price/performance.
Sorry, but OS/2 doesn't interest me at all :(
e5 2689 better or e5 1650 v2?
If not, is there anything better than e5 2689, around the same price range?
Thanks Phil,
Thank you Phils!👍👍
Phil, you're the coolest!
For ryzen 3000 videos tweak memory timings they seem to have better effect on gaming rather than just increasing the memory speed and the fclock
E5-1650v2 and E5-1660v2 are equivalents of i7-4930K, i7-4960X. E5-1680v2 is often called i7-4990X for it being a step up from 4960X.
Yeah for me to get to the closest Micro Center (Dallas, TX) is a 546 mile 9+ hour round trip 10+ hours if I actually shop there......... I order from Aliexpress, Banggood, and other areas For heatsinks, Fans, and other Misc. Components from China rather than from buying at US Stores to save more money. For a $13 Heatsink from china will cost me $23 (after Sale Tax) on Amazon, or Newegg. Shoot I recently got 60 grams of GD900 Thermal Paste for $7 that's way better than buying 30 grams for $7+ (not including taxes/S&H) on Amazon nor Newegg.
Using an EVGA X79 FTW i could only manage 4.2ghz out of a 1650 (not v2) with stock voltage and it also was a bit buggy with a very occasional BSOD so seems if the cheaper board is getting a similar limit (albeit on v2) then thats pretty good.
ryzen ram tweaking: use DRAM Calculator for Ryzen from 1usmus, fast preset. in my case, beside dram voltage change, i had to change soc voltage and power down, disable gear down and bank group swap, and keep bgs alt enable. i think steven walton from hardware unboxed also had an instruction video on this memory timing tweak. the sweet spot for my 3200c16 corsair kit was 3400 14-18-19-28, after you choose your memory info and load xmp profile, you can try to change your desired frequency, and stop when the tCL is lowered, this is my own experience.
Do not makes any sense these E5 1650 V2, a Ryzen 1600 costs MUCH less than this Xeon and is a new platform, you can buy this 1600 and so soon upgrade for the new 3600 or even a 3700X when that goes low...
Yeah, Ryzen really stabbed a knife through the heart of the used Intel market. It used to be very worthwhile to buy old quad core i5s up to eight core HEDT i7s or Xeons, but the entire market was gutted by multiple generations of the Ryzen product stack. All that was keeping the old chips in the running for a while was avoiding the "DDR4 tax" when prices were so high. The DDR4 era used Intel parts are especially bad value. You can easily pay more used for inferior performance to new, unless you live in the realm of AVX2 and for some reason have a job that doesn't pay for newer, faster products.