I wish SteamOS will grow large enough where developers with anti-cheat software can no longer afford to ignore SteamOS. I hope it comes to the point developers make sure their games indeed run on SteamOS. I really love using SteamOS over Windows for gaming.
thats the one of the main reasons why i still perfer windows handhelds over steam os, it needs to have that anti cheat support. if it had that it would be the best software for these handheld pcs. i love the steam deck, thats the one im most looking forward to tbh
This is a step in that direction. I stick to my steam deck -- but only because I hate windows and love Steam OS. If some other device could run it better? I'd upgrade at this point and use the Deck strictly for emulation.
It would be amazing if Valve could completely open the floodgates and allow all manufacturers to ship with it. It would solve the problems of some Chinese companies not supporting firmware after sale in their cheap handhelds. Unfortunately I can see why Valve are hesitant to roll lut. I can also see sketchy bad actors maybe releasing hardware with forked or compromised Steam OS's too: ones that run ads, malware, or made hijacking your Steam account.
I wonder how many consumers are like me: console gamers intimidated by PCs, fell in love with Steam Deck, ready for a more expensive Steam device to hook up to the TV and replace the old console altogether.
Seriously considering it. I need something like SteamOS, in a way to not have to deal with PC settings, actually. Just have games run like on consoles. And also getting out of Windows (and its bloat) is a huge win.
It's basically where I'm at. Most of my games are on Steam now, and I can see a future where I just have a Steam Box for the TV and whatever Nintendo system is current. Will be all I'll need.
Just to mention it here again - if you want SteamOS on a non-Valve device right now, Bazzite OS is worth checking out. It's not really SteamOS (it's not based on Arch Linux but on Fedora), but it's comparable in almost every other way; and most importantly, it properly supports all the special buttons on many competing PC gaming handhelds today. So just like SteamOS, Bazzite OS is a Linux with Steam frontend and excellent UI and gaming performance.
The performance differences between Arch and Fedora are not noteworthy IMO. Arch uses a bleeding edge kernel whereas Fedora’s kernel is usually a few revisions behind Arch’s.
@@Dunestorm333 Basically, while waiting for Valve making SteamOS readily available for other devices, the Bazzite OS team just said "Ok, we'll just do it ourselves." Took the important parts like Proton and built in on another popular Linux. The desktop mode support could also be an interesting difference between SteamOS and Bazzite... may have to check that out.
@@mightyhadi6132 depends,Im sure this people has more detailed demographic better than me. If most players truly game on Linux where the game is not available then that will massively impact the revenue and their decision making. Unless their is some sort of partnership or commercial deal behind it, I doubt we will see any changes.
@@RobGThai It's not a secrets anymore majority of PC are running on Windows we already has the data, and all of PC mentioned on data are for working and studying and for gaming it's mixed of Windows with modern hardware tend to use Steam OS .
@@dwayne_ Some people have more than one PC. A laptop can do a lot without the need of an expensive gpu while I can see more people having a gaming desktop with SteamOS over Windows.
I would pay to get out of windows, o365 login nagging, forced adds, arbitrary system limitations, copilot nagging, etc etx. Microsoft refuse to aknowledge that i simply do not want them or their services stealibg my data.
You're definitely not alone there. I feel especially with Win10 support getting axed by next year, a lot of folks are probably in the market for a new OS that doesn't come pre-packed with Microsoft's egregious ads, AI, and general bloat. If SteamOS gets an official desktop image before then, I'd even forego that bit of anticheat support just to get a desktop OS that doesn't remind me every login why I despise it so much.
I’d happily buy a steam deck that supported game pass. I’m a relatively new pc gamer that doesn’t have a huge pc game collection, so game pass has been crucial.
@@Slomwotion In a few years, Game Pass with Day One games will be north of $30 per month. Definitely not worth it. May as well just save that money and buy Steam games on sale. That's a much better way to build a gaming library, especially since you wouldn't be relying on Microsoft to tell you which games you can and can't play.
What’s interesting is that ASUS being able to boot Steam OS cost Valve nothing. They probably net a licensing fee while ASUS needs to make money on the box sale. IE un-subsidized. A steam box, that taps the console gamers, would be made by Steam, and would likely compete on price because it could be subsidized. Steam launching a home console makes a ton of sense now, and with current Steam deck performance, wouldn’t be too expensive for them to manufacture. It could conceivably sell at $300-$400 and provide an intriguing offer to console gamers who want access to Steam, but don’t want a handheld or pc.
If Steam OS supported egpus it would challenge the console market for sure but with things like AMDs strix halo max coming out the consoles are in trouble
The real goal of valve is steam os for desktop PCs. (Hopefully with GTX/RTX support) we know it’s coming. We just don’t know when. We need better os vs bloated windows 11. Yeah hopefully in near future, a new steam box/steam consoles at some point using steam os 3x. Valve has said publicly. Steam os is coming desktop PCs and other devices. I hope it’s before EOL of windows 10.
@G360LIVE Yeah you and me both. Can’t stand windows 10. And won’t touch windows 11 with 20 foot pole. I’ve had friends upgrade windows 11 and they hate it so much lol. I mostly play ATS, so I only care about my wheel/shifter and add on shifter work with my wheel and force feed back. Tried few yrs ago with other Linux distro but never got them work correctly for wheel setup. So stuck with win7 for longest time. Was only this year in jan I’ve been using window 10. Hate it. Cus got a duel boot win7/win10. Haven’t boot into win7 in while. But haven’t nuked win7 ssd yet Cus waiting see what happens with steam os. Hopefully before windows 10 EOL.
Will developers or valve precompile shaders for this 3rd party devices like they do for the steam deck? Or will it still rely on first batch of players? Would still prefer an option for a separate front end that is not steam/steam big picture though. Have extra x86 device that i wanted to repurpose as a GOG only games device but all the linux options (chimera, bazzite etc) would still require you to sign on to steam and add as non steam games. Need something like playnite for Linux.
@@BlueBARv5 The most popular console is a handheld. The big upcoming console in 2025 is a handheld. The exciting movement in hardware h as been handhelds.
Guys the Fremont console has already leaked in the datamine, as has the Ibex controller it comes with. In terms of handhelds, the Lenovo Go S will be the first one, running disappointing midrange components compared to the Windows-powered Legion Go 2.
No. The appeal of SteamOS is that it's free and open unlike Windows and Valve knows this. All you want is to lower the barrier of entry for people to get them into the Steam ecosystem and buy Steam games. Trying to profit off of SteamOS directly would be an atrocious move.
They can charge for more indepth support for N years possibly, give companies like Lenovo a choice if they want to handle the software development support themselves (which will also incur costs) or pass it to valve. I am talking about more device specific support and optimisation, especially some of the devices with extra buttons/functions etc. Or making sure the latest update don't break on X device etc.
If Valve really does a new form of Steam-Box, maybe they bring back the 3DO's original business model?🤔 Create the system specifications, and then leave it to hardware manufacturers, if they want to release a low tier, mid tier, or high end version of a "Steam-Box", with all bells and whistles. I mean, I don't know how X-Box pricing works. But since Sony seemingly abandoned their original business model (PS1 to PS4), of subsidize the hardware, i.e. selling it initially with a loss per unit, and make money through selling software... Maybe the 3DO business model could be viable again? That would be quite the irony though. Since - if I remember correctly - this model was what pushed Atari finally of the market, and shortly after into bankruptcy.
I have little interest in handheld gaming devices, but I'm interested in a real alternative for windows for pc gaming (especially desktop), I hope SteamOS will grow to a real alternative for windows, as Microsoft has little care for it other than pushing their AI investment using it.
@@SmartphoneWars each one and their own preferences, there is no right or wrong, some like mobile handheld as complete system. Others like me prefer higher settings, fps, expandability, higher resolution and so on. Both are relevant for different reasons.
If Valve wants to get into the home console space, it needs to be through the Steam Deck successor with a Switch-like dock that improves performance. Regardless, the sooner I can get Steam OS on my pc the better!
The Switch dock doesn't offer any actual performance increase, it's just you have access to more power which you can do the same with the Steam Deck. It can run games at 900p/1080p
If you want better performance, you can just buy a gaming handheld from Asus or Lenovo etc. Put Bazzite OS on it and you'll have a non-Valve Steam Deck with better performance. I, for one, value battery life over everything else in a handheld, so the Steam Deck OLED is really still the best choice for me.
@@JoeHoeDoesSomething I thought there was more going with the Switch when docked. So when the switch is docked, it's just pulling more juice as it doesn't have to rely on battery? Like the Deck, everything is contained withing the handheld?
@@bellissimo4520 I'm fine with my Deck's performance for now. I mainly use it remotely, so battery life is king for me as well. I was just thinking that if they want to compete with consoles, I thought the switch method was a good choice. I was under the impression that the switch dock gave it some kind of hardware boost.
Not sure if a steam machine priced as a console to run as a pc is a good idea. Thats a low end machine that won't be a able to do much. But if they went into the 1k+ prebuilt pc space they for sure would be selling units. With the possibility to later upgrade the machine.
Do a video of a checklist for Steam OS to be the best default experience for gaming on none console hardware . Realistically I feel like outside some specific games it already is
If think if people holding out on anti cheat to come to linux or steam os and they forget devs won't do it if people don't use it. We would need millions of user, the games do play well with linux they do some server side to catch cheaters. Even playing on linux distro games to play or on steam deck or other handhelds with steam os like helps a ton to push number up if still need windows but you play other games just fine.
I think steam os has a lot of opportunities in 3rd party handhelds and diy desktops next year. I think its still a little too early for them to push steam machines. After they become the go-to os for diy and Microsoft plays their xbox anywhere hand, which is likely to be a disaster, it will be a better moment.
Why dont they release the OS for current devices if people chose to change from windows. I know theres Baz but im sure they could release something a bit easier.
Mini PCs powered by AMD and SteamOS, think about it you get a decent processor paired with a small but decently capable radeon 890m iGPU, granted they might not be as good as a fully dedicated GPU, but they're relatively cheaper, and at lower resolutions and with both FSR and AFMF they can run even some demanding games like cyberpunk and baldur's gate 3. Basically a PC with the size, price and capabillities of an entry level console, something akin the xbox series S. A more powerful, non portable, living room version of the steam deck if you will, the second coming of the steam machines.
My understanding is that one of the big things that's been holding Valve back from a general SteamOS 3 release has been nVidia's Linux driver support, but there's apparently been a lot of progress with the open source nVidia linux drivers recently. Between that, this branding guidelines update, and all the leaks around Fremont and Deckard and Ibex and Roy, it's feeling like Valve is working towards a big hardware and software announcement blitz next year (which is, coincidentally, the 10 year anniversary of the original Steam Machines announcement).
How critical is it for Nvidia to release open source Linux drivers? They release proprietary drivers for some distros, my guess they can add steamOS to the bunch.
The main Deck engineer has pointed to the open source NVK driver as making rapid progress. So maybe even if Nvidia doesn't get their shit together NVK will fill in.
Been saying this since 2012 Xbox needs to make a PC/Console hybrid.. they never did. But it looks like they want to be. Their naming scheme would make it easy Xbox Series W(indows)
Would a 40cu strix halo compete with ps5 pro. Imagine a steam box from valve for 699 that matches the pro and works with every controller basically and if you want a steam controller 2 itll be 79.99 but not included in that 699 price
After the CoffeeZilla video showing how deeply involved Valve is in gambling and how they exploit minors, I want nothing to do with either Valve, Gabe Newell, or SteamOS.
@@unk000once Linux gaming scene will grow drastically, they will have to adapt to it, otherwise they will lose large player base. The issue with anticheat today is that most of them are running on kernel level, you can't use some compatability layer like proton and run it, you need to write it specifically for the Linux kernel, I'm not even sure how well they can implement it on Linux kernel that can be changed by the user. personally I hope those kernel anticheat will pass away, software running on kernel level can lead to a lot of problems, you want to minimize it to software must run on that level like the kernel itself and device drivers.
I'd buy SteamOS console hardware to both play on TV and also to stream to my Steam Deck to get some of those higher-end games that the Deck is beginning to really struggle with. I'm probably more niche of a demographic though as I haven't had A dedicated gaming PC in probably 10 years so I'm an easy buy-in here.
Same as you. Really looking forward to Valve Fremont (hopefully a decently powerful Valve console running SteamOS 3 with Desktop PC capability, but mainly aimed at Gaming with interface defaulting to Steam Big-Picture Gaming Mode )
It makes sense why the Legion go S has RNDA 2 parts, its essentially a Steamdeck with 50% more CPU/GPU cores, which should be easy enough for Valve to patch in Steam OS.
@@juancarlosalonso5664 You missed his point. Exclusive games help sell consoles. That's why Nintendo will never release their games on PC, because Nintendo wants to sell as much hardware as possible. Just look what happened to Microsoft. They started releasing their first party on PC day and date with Xbox, and as a result, Xbox console sales dropped, because the PC gamers who needed to buy an Xbox console to play Xbox games suddenly didn't need to buy an Xbox console anymore. The same thing is beginning to happen with Sony. Even releasing their first-party games on PC two years later is causing some PC gamers not to buy a PS5 (or PS5 Pro) and just wait for Sony games to come to PC. If Sony starts releasing day and date, like Microsoft, then you'll see Sony sell fewer PlayStation consoles, because PC gamers won't need to buy PlayStation consoles anymore either. And that's the bad situation that Microsoft has pushed themselves into and that Sony is starting to push themselves into. For some reason, their clueless executives think that they can use the PC market to expand their business. They don't see the overlap between the console and PC markets. Nintendo does see that, and that's why Nintendo will remain strong going into the future, while Microsoft falls to selling a lot fewer Xbox consoles, now that all their games are also going to PlayStation. Sony can still sell a good amount of hardware, though, as long as they don't start porting their games to Nintendo hardware. And I know what you're thinking: "But PS5 is on track to selling over 100 million consoles". Yes, because PC gamers likely already bought a PS5. When you'll see things start falling for Sony is with PS6 sales.
@juancarlosalonso5664 no, they don't, bud. The majority of Indie games are released on pc, specifically steam. There's a ton of games that'll never come to console, one reason is it's a more costly process vs pc and not always worth the effort in terms of sales Ironically if valve release a new steam console (as they're rumored to be working on), it'll be the only "console" with exclusives
xbox shoud've never been just a console, they let valve eat their lunch for free...how they didn't do the whole console and pc thing from the get go is mind boggling, think about it a console + pc game built with one api...they didn't even change course with the media center days of windows 7....that they didn't see this is crazy
The only acceptable digital future is steam. I am slowly transitioning all my ps5 and xbox games to steam and gog. Consoles are simoly not worth anymore
@@juancarlosalonso5664 its the lesser evil, at least i can play online for free, apply a no cd pactch if ever my game disapears. psn or xbox are too restrictive
@@juancarlosalonso5664 All the companies are scummy. It's just a matter of which company gives you more in return for tolerating their scumminess. I used to be on consoles, but now I'm on PC, and I'll never buy another console ever again. Steam and GOG are the only places where I want to buy my games, especially GOG since all their games are DRM-free.
Are we talking about the same steamos that doesn’t natively support the Microsoft store, the EA store, the Epic store, the Ubisoft store, Game pass downloads, game pass cloud streaming, GeForce Now cloud streaming, AMD Fluid Motion 2.0, AMD vivid gaming mode, Lossless Scaling & a bunch of games that utilize anti-cheat software, including Call of Duty? lool
I wish SteamOS will grow large enough where developers with anti-cheat software can no longer afford to ignore SteamOS. I hope it comes to the point developers make sure their games indeed run on SteamOS. I really love using SteamOS over Windows for gaming.
thats the one of the main reasons why i still perfer windows handhelds over steam os, it needs to have that anti cheat support. if it had that it would be the best software for these handheld pcs. i love the steam deck, thats the one im most looking forward to tbh
This is a step in that direction. I stick to my steam deck -- but only because I hate windows and love Steam OS. If some other device could run it better? I'd upgrade at this point and use the Deck strictly for emulation.
It would be amazing if Valve could completely open the floodgates and allow all manufacturers to ship with it. It would solve the problems of some Chinese companies not supporting firmware after sale in their cheap handhelds.
Unfortunately I can see why Valve are hesitant to roll lut. I can also see sketchy bad actors maybe releasing hardware with forked or compromised Steam OS's too: ones that run ads, malware, or made hijacking your Steam account.
@@bigblov3 What games do u play that need anti-cheat? im just wondering
Not a problem for me, I don't play triple a multiplayer slop.
I wonder how many consumers are like me: console gamers intimidated by PCs, fell in love with Steam Deck, ready for a more expensive Steam device to hook up to the TV and replace the old console altogether.
I actually went the mini pc route and sold off my consoles. The minis are a bit powerful especially when you have more ram to utilize
Seriously considering it. I need something like SteamOS, in a way to not have to deal with PC settings, actually. Just have games run like on consoles. And also getting out of Windows (and its bloat) is a huge win.
@@KarateVarateBazzite is a thing.
It's basically where I'm at. Most of my games are on Steam now, and I can see a future where I just have a Steam Box for the TV and whatever Nintendo system is current. Will be all I'll need.
Steam deck barely sold 5 million units. Lol
Just to mention it here again - if you want SteamOS on a non-Valve device right now, Bazzite OS is worth checking out. It's not really SteamOS (it's not based on Arch Linux but on Fedora), but it's comparable in almost every other way; and most importantly, it properly supports all the special buttons on many competing PC gaming handhelds today. So just like SteamOS, Bazzite OS is a Linux with Steam frontend and excellent UI and gaming performance.
Plus it's so easy to migrate. I'm very pleased.
The performance differences between Arch and Fedora are not noteworthy IMO. Arch uses a bleeding edge kernel whereas Fedora’s kernel is usually a few revisions behind Arch’s.
@@Dunestorm333 Basically, while waiting for Valve making SteamOS readily available for other devices, the Bazzite OS team just said "Ok, we'll just do it ourselves." Took the important parts like Proton and built in on another popular Linux. The desktop mode support could also be an interesting difference between SteamOS and Bazzite... may have to check that out.
If companies would make Anti-Cheat compatible with Steam OS, I would ditch windows on literally every single one of my personal machines.
Well, since nobody ditched Windows so there’s no need to make one for a small segment.
@@RobGThai Because majority are not gamers but working peoples who uses Windows. For gaming many already uses steam OS
@@mightyhadi6132 depends,Im sure this people has more detailed demographic better than me. If most players truly game on Linux where the game is not available then that will massively impact the revenue and their decision making. Unless their is some sort of partnership or commercial deal behind it, I doubt we will see any changes.
@@RobGThai It's not a secrets anymore majority of PC are running on Windows we already has the data, and all of PC mentioned on data are for working and studying and for gaming it's mixed of Windows with modern hardware tend to use Steam OS .
I’ll switch from windows 10 to steam os
Or at least dual booting and minimizing Windows usage as much as possible.
No you won't
@@dwayne_ Some people have more than one PC. A laptop can do a lot without the need of an expensive gpu while I can see more people having a gaming desktop with SteamOS over Windows.
@@smidlee7747 This is true but that's not what he said. He said he's going to abandon Windows 10 for Steam OS. I doubt that.
@@dwayne_ well, he should.
I would pay to get out of windows, o365 login nagging, forced adds, arbitrary system limitations, copilot nagging, etc etx. Microsoft refuse to aknowledge that i simply do not want them or their services stealibg my data.
You're definitely not alone there. I feel especially with Win10 support getting axed by next year, a lot of folks are probably in the market for a new OS that doesn't come pre-packed with Microsoft's egregious ads, AI, and general bloat.
If SteamOS gets an official desktop image before then, I'd even forego that bit of anticheat support just to get a desktop OS that doesn't remind me every login why I despise it so much.
Strix Halo mini pc running SteamOS.
We already know one of the Lenovo Legion ones has a steam button so that one will obviously be Steam OS
I’d happily buy a steam deck that supported game pass.
I’m a relatively new pc gamer that doesn’t have a huge pc game collection, so game pass has been crucial.
I doubt we'll see official support, but you can dual boot windows for gamepass.
In a few years Microsoft will release their xbox handheld.
@@Slomwotion
In a few years, Game Pass with Day One games will be north of $30 per month. Definitely not worth it. May as well just save that money and buy Steam games on sale. That's a much better way to build a gaming library, especially since you wouldn't be relying on Microsoft to tell you which games you can and can't play.
@@G360LIVE GOG*
@@Slomwotionby then it’ll be too little too late… More Xbox people will move to steam to stop getting left out of all these game releases
What’s interesting is that ASUS being able to boot Steam OS cost Valve nothing. They probably net a licensing fee while ASUS needs to make money on the box sale. IE un-subsidized.
A steam box, that taps the console gamers, would be made by Steam, and would likely compete on price because it could be subsidized. Steam launching a home console makes a ton of sense now, and with current Steam deck performance, wouldn’t be too expensive for them to manufacture. It could conceivably sell at $300-$400 and provide an intriguing offer to console gamers who want access to Steam, but don’t want a handheld or pc.
I wouldn't be surprised. After all, that was the original idea with the Steam Machines.
If Steam OS supported egpus it would challenge the console market for sure but with things like AMDs strix halo max coming out the consoles are in trouble
The real goal of valve is steam os for desktop PCs. (Hopefully with GTX/RTX support) we know it’s coming. We just don’t know when. We need better os vs bloated windows 11.
Yeah hopefully in near future, a new steam box/steam consoles at some point using steam os 3x.
Valve has said publicly. Steam os is coming desktop PCs and other devices. I hope it’s before EOL of windows 10.
I'm looking forward to the day that I don't ever have to use Windows again.
@G360LIVE
Yeah you and me both. Can’t stand windows 10. And won’t touch windows 11 with 20 foot pole. I’ve had friends upgrade windows 11 and they hate it so much lol. I mostly play ATS, so I only care about my wheel/shifter and add on shifter work with my wheel and force feed back. Tried few yrs ago with other Linux distro but never got them work correctly for wheel setup. So stuck with win7 for longest time. Was only this year in jan I’ve been using window 10. Hate it. Cus got a duel boot win7/win10. Haven’t boot into win7 in while. But haven’t nuked win7 ssd yet Cus waiting see what happens with steam os. Hopefully before windows 10 EOL.
Can Steam OS be used with all Windows functions like saving and opening Videos/ pictures?
yeah it's a linux distro just packaged to look fancy
As a macOS user, Windows is irrelevant to me, so SteamOS is the best route for me anyways.
Amazing video, thank you Digital Foundry.
Will developers or valve precompile shaders for this 3rd party devices like they do for the steam deck?
Or will it still rely on first batch of players?
Would still prefer an option for a separate front end that is not steam/steam big picture though.
Have extra x86 device that i wanted to repurpose as a GOG only games device but all the linux options (chimera, bazzite etc) would still require you to sign on to steam and add as non steam games.
Need something like playnite for Linux.
Console wars will soon be Handheld wars
NO..
@@BlueBARv5 The most popular console is a handheld. The big upcoming console in 2025 is a handheld. The exciting movement in hardware h as been handhelds.
Guys the Fremont console has already leaked in the datamine, as has the Ibex controller it comes with. In terms of handhelds, the Lenovo Go S will be the first one, running disappointing midrange components compared to the Windows-powered Legion Go 2.
It might be short sighted but there's definitely money to be made licensing their OS and brand name
You're right. It's short sighted. The make money in games. Might even pay others to use Steam OS on their hardware.
No. The appeal of SteamOS is that it's free and open unlike Windows and Valve knows this. All you want is to lower the barrier of entry for people to get them into the Steam ecosystem and buy Steam games. Trying to profit off of SteamOS directly would be an atrocious move.
They can charge for more indepth support for N years possibly, give companies like Lenovo a choice if they want to handle the software development support themselves (which will also incur costs) or pass it to valve.
I am talking about more device specific support and optimisation, especially some of the devices with extra buttons/functions etc.
Or making sure the latest update don't break on X device etc.
To everyone that is waiting for SteamOS to release: you don't need to wait, Linux is right there, ready to install.
Epic must be a nightmare right now. All quite on the western front with Apple while in the east.... Valve is bringing in the tanks!
I want a more powerful steam deck oled not 3rd party. Does this mean steam deck 2 will not come?
Sounds great in theory, but I would bet that you would see higher game prices if SteamOS became mainstream in handhelds. Because why not?
If Valve really does a new form of Steam-Box, maybe they bring back the 3DO's original business model?🤔
Create the system specifications, and then leave it to hardware manufacturers, if they want to release a low tier, mid tier, or high end version of a "Steam-Box", with all bells and whistles.
I mean, I don't know how X-Box pricing works. But since Sony seemingly abandoned their original business model (PS1 to PS4), of subsidize the hardware, i.e. selling it initially with a loss per unit, and make money through selling software...
Maybe the 3DO business model could be viable again?
That would be quite the irony though. Since - if I remember correctly - this model was what pushed Atari finally of the market, and shortly after into bankruptcy.
I have little interest in handheld gaming devices, but I'm interested in a real alternative for windows for pc gaming (especially desktop), I hope SteamOS will grow to a real alternative for windows, as Microsoft has little care for it other than pushing their AI investment using it.
Handhelds are the way to go. Plug and play on anything. Ultra graphics are overhyped.
@@SmartphoneWars each one and their own preferences, there is no right or wrong, some like mobile handheld as complete system. Others like me prefer higher settings, fps, expandability, higher resolution and so on. Both are relevant for different reasons.
If Valve wants to get into the home console space, it needs to be through the Steam Deck successor with a Switch-like dock that improves performance. Regardless, the sooner I can get Steam OS on my pc the better!
The Switch dock doesn't offer any actual performance increase, it's just you have access to more power which you can do the same with the Steam Deck. It can run games at 900p/1080p
If you want better performance, you can just buy a gaming handheld from Asus or Lenovo etc. Put Bazzite OS on it and you'll have a non-Valve Steam Deck with better performance. I, for one, value battery life over everything else in a handheld, so the Steam Deck OLED is really still the best choice for me.
@@JoeHoeDoesSomething I thought there was more going with the Switch when docked. So when the switch is docked, it's just pulling more juice as it doesn't have to rely on battery? Like the Deck, everything is contained withing the handheld?
@@GtheMVP Correct, the dock is basically just a USB C hub
@@bellissimo4520 I'm fine with my Deck's performance for now. I mainly use it remotely, so battery life is king for me as well. I was just thinking that if they want to compete with consoles, I thought the switch method was a good choice. I was under the impression that the switch dock gave it some kind of hardware boost.
One thing is certain, it will be AMD only, if you could just run it on any built PC. It must be rdna2 and ryzen 2 or up.
Xbox is down so bad their not even putting Xbox in the console wars conversation anymore..🥺.. Rip Xbox you had a good run.
Not sure if a steam machine priced as a console to run as a pc is a good idea. Thats a low end machine that won't be a able to do much. But if they went into the 1k+ prebuilt pc space they for sure would be selling units. With the possibility to later upgrade the machine.
I just want Steam OS for Desktop
Do a video of a checklist for Steam OS to be the best default experience for gaming on none console hardware . Realistically I feel like outside some specific games it already is
If think if people holding out on anti cheat to come to linux or steam os and they forget devs won't do it if people don't use it. We would need millions of user, the games do play well with linux they do some server side to catch cheaters. Even playing on linux distro games to play or on steam deck or other handhelds with steam os like helps a ton to push number up if still need windows but you play other games just fine.
I think steam os has a lot of opportunities in 3rd party handhelds and diy desktops next year.
I think its still a little too early for them to push steam machines. After they become the go-to os for diy and Microsoft plays their xbox anywhere hand, which is likely to be a disaster, it will be a better moment.
why will it be a disaster? MS knows how to create solid platforms
Cmon valve!! Give us multi boot on our Ally handheld!! Please. We love your operating system we need it on with windows.
I would ditch windows immediately if it wasn’t required for some games.
Why dont they release the OS for current devices if people chose to change from windows. I know theres Baz but im sure they could release something a bit easier.
Mini PCs powered by AMD and SteamOS, think about it you get a decent processor paired with a small but decently capable radeon 890m iGPU, granted they might not be as good as a fully dedicated GPU, but they're relatively cheaper, and at lower resolutions and with both FSR and AFMF they can run even some demanding games like cyberpunk and baldur's gate 3.
Basically a PC with the size, price and capabillities of an entry level console, something akin the xbox series S.
A more powerful, non portable, living room version of the steam deck if you will, the second coming of the steam machines.
My understanding is that one of the big things that's been holding Valve back from a general SteamOS 3 release has been nVidia's Linux driver support, but there's apparently been a lot of progress with the open source nVidia linux drivers recently. Between that, this branding guidelines update, and all the leaks around Fremont and Deckard and Ibex and Roy, it's feeling like Valve is working towards a big hardware and software announcement blitz next year (which is, coincidentally, the 10 year anniversary of the original Steam Machines announcement).
How critical is it for Nvidia to release open source Linux drivers? They release proprietary drivers for some distros, my guess they can add steamOS to the bunch.
The main Deck engineer has pointed to the open source NVK driver as making rapid progress. So maybe even if Nvidia doesn't get their shit together NVK will fill in.
Been saying this since 2012 Xbox needs to make a PC/Console hybrid.. they never did. But it looks like they want to be. Their naming scheme would make it easy Xbox Series W(indows)
only needs game pass natively and it’s off to the races
Xbox Game Pass for PC isn't worth it
HI At this Point is it even worth having a Expensive Desktop PC ??
Depends if you use it for anything besides gaming
With how games today run, if you to have good experience it becomes more and more of a necessity.
Would a 40cu strix halo compete with ps5 pro. Imagine a steam box from valve for 699 that matches the pro and works with every controller basically and if you want a steam controller 2 itll be 79.99 but not included in that 699 price
For 699 it won't match the pro. It'll match below base PS5 specs
@MLPRainbowFantasy oh thought it was my bad I guess it'll need to be 599$ or less then.
We already do its called Bazzite. Steam OS is nothing new or special. Just throw Bazzite on an Ally and you have a third party steam OS handheld lmao.
They are going for Nintendo 😮
Valve doesn't care that other machines will maybe cannibalize the steam decks success?? 🤔
How would it canabalize them? Steam Decks aren't being sold in stores. Only on their own platform.
Not if it gets more people buying games from Steam, which is where Valve gets all their money.
I hope someone else makes a steambox and not valve.
Why not Valve?
Does this mean Valve will not make a new Deck?
No it means they will expand their SteamOS ecosystem to other devices as well
They already said there won't be a new Deck for years to come since they want to focus support on the current Deck
Just watched the latest coffeezilla videos, man valve is scummy af.
i asked chatgpt if he can resume Microsoft performance lately and the answer was "enshitification"
Bring back the daisywheel keyboard, Valve!
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After the CoffeeZilla video showing how deeply involved Valve is in gambling and how they exploit minors, I want nothing to do with either Valve, Gabe Newell, or SteamOS.
If the hardware and SteamOS will be patched/fixed/ready for multiplayer etc in the future I will ready to ditch windows
Complain to the game devs, not Valve. They aren't to blame here. It's the game dev studios that won't support Linux with their anti-cheat software
@@unk000once Linux gaming scene will grow drastically, they will have to adapt to it, otherwise they will lose large player base. The issue with anticheat today is that most of them are running on kernel level, you can't use some compatability layer like proton and run it, you need to write it specifically for the Linux kernel, I'm not even sure how well they can implement it on Linux kernel that can be changed by the user. personally I hope those kernel anticheat will pass away, software running on kernel level can lead to a lot of problems, you want to minimize it to software must run on that level like the kernel itself and device drivers.
I'd buy SteamOS console hardware to both play on TV and also to stream to my Steam Deck to get some of those higher-end games that the Deck is beginning to really struggle with. I'm probably more niche of a demographic though as I haven't had A dedicated gaming PC in probably 10 years so I'm an easy buy-in here.
Same as you. Really looking forward to Valve Fremont (hopefully a decently powerful Valve console running SteamOS 3 with Desktop PC capability, but mainly aimed at Gaming with interface defaulting to Steam Big-Picture Gaming Mode )
Please please please make SteamOS able to be installed to general machines and not just a pre installed vendor thing
Faster please Valve and partners lol
I wonder if you've seen them live: they're bricks without any "portable" wills portability is one thing, for these hooks you need a backpack...
maybe someone will make one of these things that is actually handheld 😂
It makes sense why the Legion go S has RNDA 2 parts, its essentially a Steamdeck with 50% more CPU/GPU cores, which should be easy enough for Valve to patch in Steam OS.
Bro you can run Bazzite rn and its literally the same thing. Valve is just really late to the party for steam OS
I think Sony and xbox pushed themselves into a bad situation. Pc game releases essentially killed any reason to buy the console which is exclusives
Most games that release on pc release on consoles, bud.
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You missed his point. Exclusive games help sell consoles. That's why Nintendo will never release their games on PC, because Nintendo wants to sell as much hardware as possible. Just look what happened to Microsoft. They started releasing their first party on PC day and date with Xbox, and as a result, Xbox console sales dropped, because the PC gamers who needed to buy an Xbox console to play Xbox games suddenly didn't need to buy an Xbox console anymore. The same thing is beginning to happen with Sony. Even releasing their first-party games on PC two years later is causing some PC gamers not to buy a PS5 (or PS5 Pro) and just wait for Sony games to come to PC. If Sony starts releasing day and date, like Microsoft, then you'll see Sony sell fewer PlayStation consoles, because PC gamers won't need to buy PlayStation consoles anymore either.
And that's the bad situation that Microsoft has pushed themselves into and that Sony is starting to push themselves into. For some reason, their clueless executives think that they can use the PC market to expand their business. They don't see the overlap between the console and PC markets. Nintendo does see that, and that's why Nintendo will remain strong going into the future, while Microsoft falls to selling a lot fewer Xbox consoles, now that all their games are also going to PlayStation. Sony can still sell a good amount of hardware, though, as long as they don't start porting their games to Nintendo hardware.
And I know what you're thinking: "But PS5 is on track to selling over 100 million consoles". Yes, because PC gamers likely already bought a PS5. When you'll see things start falling for Sony is with PS6 sales.
@juancarlosalonso5664 no, they don't, bud. The majority of Indie games are released on pc, specifically steam.
There's a ton of games that'll never come to console, one reason is it's a more costly process vs pc and not always worth the effort in terms of sales
Ironically if valve release a new steam console (as they're rumored to be working on), it'll be the only "console" with exclusives
xbox shoud've never been just a console, they let valve eat their lunch for free...how they didn't do the whole console and pc thing from the get go is mind boggling, think about it a console + pc game built with one api...they didn't even change course with the media center days of windows 7....that they didn't see this is crazy
I would pay good money for a mobile system to have current gen power and maybe a better cpu, id pay 1k
Game overrrrrrrrrrr when this happens!
The only acceptable digital future is steam. I am slowly transitioning all my ps5 and xbox games to steam and gog. Consoles are simoly not worth anymore
Ah yes, the store owned by possibly the scummiest company in gaming.
@@juancarlosalonso5664 its the lesser evil, at least i can play online for free, apply a no cd pactch if ever my game disapears. psn or xbox are too restrictive
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All the companies are scummy. It's just a matter of which company gives you more in return for tolerating their scumminess. I used to be on consoles, but now I'm on PC, and I'll never buy another console ever again. Steam and GOG are the only places where I want to buy my games, especially GOG since all their games are DRM-free.
Are we talking about the same steamos that doesn’t natively support the Microsoft store, the EA store, the Epic store, the Ubisoft store, Game pass downloads, game pass cloud streaming, GeForce Now cloud streaming, AMD Fluid Motion 2.0, AMD vivid gaming mode, Lossless Scaling & a bunch of games that utilize anti-cheat software, including Call of Duty? lool
Dual boot, windows is dog shit at this point