Oh shit it just occurred to me gohan has been fighting since he was 5. At an age like that you’d think he would be more psychologically messed up than this
He probably does. It's why he avoids training, I suspect--he likely has awful nightmares and flashbacks any time he trains. I used to avoid situations that reminded me of my abusive dad, often without realizing that was why. If not, then it doesn't make sense. Gohan is clearly part of a very small, elite group that's capable of protecting the planet from an endless host of super powerful planet destroying villains. Him not training constantly like Vegeta and Goku doesn't make sense logically, so it's probably not logical. It's emotional. It's interesting that Goku isn't effected, but I think that can be chalked up to two reasons. One, he's full Saiyan. They don't seem to be as emotional as humans in general, so perhaps they don't have a PTSD-like mental health issue from intense violence around/against them. Two, he grew up eating wolves in the forest and raised himself for a year or two. To Goku, survival is probably just what you do every day. It's not traumatic because it's all he knows. Gohan had five years of normal life, then about seven where super powerful monsters were trying to kill him and everyone he loved, then peace again. That sort of whiplash can mess a person up.
Honestly, this makes me wanna see the Ginyu Force turn good in Gohan's honor. I can totally see The Great Saiyaman and the Ginyu Force working as a crime fighting team. That'd be ultimate.
i dought they would turn good since they are loyal to frieza, but i can see them offering him some training if they ever got revived. ginyu himself even knows how strong gohan has gotten since the last he saw him on namak
@@darkgohan6760 It's a popular meme. You don't need some big brain to think this up. Almost anyone familiar with this meme would have the same thought.
Gohan was really impressionable. He became a scholar by his mom, dresses like Piccolo, does these goofy poses and fights like his dad. I’m surprised he didn’t go bald because he hung around Krillin so much
He will go bald, its already written. You know Gohan Blanco? Fans made that years ago but Dragon Ball made it into a canon by naming it Gohan Beast. Pretty sure they'll copy Gohan Calvo for sure.
Hers my headcanon: Saiyaman doesn't mimic the Ginyu force because he thinks their poses are cool, he mimics them because the fight with the Ginyu Force traumatized Gohan, and those mental scars still persist today, he mimics them for the same reason Batman dresses as a bat, because he thinks they're scary
Want more proof that the Saiyaman was influenced by Ginyu? Xenoverse 1 counts the Saiyaman's Justice Pose as a Ginyu skill, thus triggering Ginyu's Z-Soul.
@@the_coconut_is_home tecnically yes, but due to the mechanics, a few more poses are considered and activates both his, and the more recent Dr.Edo, supersoul effects. which, depending on how you see it, is either fortunate or unfortunate, since one of those counted is ribiranne's one
I'm sure the ginyu force would be easy to switch over to good ...the only reason tey follow frieza is cause frieza's power ack in the day if they lived and saw goku was more powerful they would swerve like a drunk Russian on the freeway pluss they would ENJOY being allied with gohan in his saiyaman suit oh god and imagine a good ginyu force meeting the pride troopers it would be a pose off
Goes to show that outside of Piccolo and Chi Chi, Gohan had so little of a social life that he chose these guys as idols. Well, it could've been worse, he could have taken after Goku or even Yamcha.
Chichi: *sees Gohan doing poses as the great Saiyaman* At least this behavior I can’t blame on his father. Goku: Pretty good, but maybe try something like this. *strikes a pose* Chichi: Not entirely anyway.
It's all to-do with the technique. The speed and flair Captain Ginyu had when executing the move, with the balance needed to do such a thing, the position shows his alpha like superiority as well. It is all things to all men, truly amazing.
I can see that being a case with Recoome and Guldo. THe feeling soemone can move when time stops, or can hold you in place as they kill you. Or the out right over powering, beaten to death. Could explain how he felt when taking on Cell when he was younger.
Just imagine a 6 years old boy was forced traveling to the other side of galaxy to fight an alien overlord and his generals who ruled the entire universe. No wonder he got traumatized....
Not at all, dragon Ball was first but when JoJo first came out, Goku in the Dragon Ball manga was still either a kid or just getting started with Dragon Ball Z
*Ginyu shows his "greatest fighting pose"* Krillin thinking: Oh god if gohan did these poses then I wouldn't want to think what Marron would become watching him *looking at ginyu with his legs spread wide open.* Hah dirty jokes
It's been speculated that Gohan's brutal beatings by the Ginyu Force led to him trying to work it out as a teen through the Great Saiyaman. Same kind of posing and over-the-top personality. It's interesting that the Ginyus stuck with him more than even Cell's murder of 16.
The outfit shares 16's color pallette though! The green over top of the black, and the orange helmet standing in for 16's hair. The only added element was the cape, which probably came Piccolo (since he loved wearing Piccolo-styled clothes as a kid).
Gohan literally PTSD from fighting these dudes as a seven year old such that he thinks striking poses generate fear because HE WAS SO AFRAID OF THEM. deepest lore
This is the kind of interaction I hoped to see between Gohan and the Ginyu Force. Loved how Krillin confirmed Gohan to have gotten trauma from fighting them as a kid.
There actually was a bit during the Goku V Toppo fight where Beerus talks shit about the posing and speeches and Gohan responds "BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY COOL!"
Ginyu: You have the physique of Atlas! Gohan: [laughs] Thanks, I work out. Ginyu: [laughs] Make poses with me! Gohan: Okay! Ginyu and Gohan: *[POSING INTENSIFIES]*
My problem with the Saiyaman costume is that it tries to be a wierd half Kamen Rider like costume. The green over black is cool. The helm looks bad with it. Not to mention to silly bandana and sunglasses.
They all fail with the lack of explosions not appearing behind them. You always need explosions after the name call and pose. Do they even know how to tokusatsu? 😉
I thought it was already confirmed that Gohan was either influenced of traumatized by the Ginyu Force as a kid? Well, it's nice that the game establishes on it a bit more
Krillin just realized that the fight with Recoome must have traumatized Gohan. It's also one of the painful memories that triggered Gohan's SSJ2 form against Perfect Cell. Perfect Cell is the Perfect martial art teacher for Gohan. Piccolo's cells of Cell were active whenever around Gohan
I think just spotted an Easter Egg: When Ginyu says he'll do his greatest pose, the Pose he does is the same he does in Resurrection of F, when he changes body with Tagoma.
*Gohan complements their poses* Ginyu: I see you're a man of culture as well.
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I've went through highschool, graduated and am now in my second semester of college since I posted this comment.
That's when Gohan realized he still had much to learn...
Obi-Wan Kenobi Teach me thi master the way of the high ground
*HELLO THERE*
You’re everywhere
THE AWESOME CAT who?
Hello there
Poor Gohan. That neck snap must have done it.
Senzu beans heal physical wounds, not psychological injuries
Only therapy can heal emotional trauma.
Oh shit it just occurred to me gohan has been fighting since he was 5. At an age like that you’d think he would be more psychologically messed up than this
Deity Saturn You would think he'd experience Vietnam War flashbacks
He probably does. It's why he avoids training, I suspect--he likely has awful nightmares and flashbacks any time he trains. I used to avoid situations that reminded me of my abusive dad, often without realizing that was why. If not, then it doesn't make sense. Gohan is clearly part of a very small, elite group that's capable of protecting the planet from an endless host of super powerful planet destroying villains. Him not training constantly like Vegeta and Goku doesn't make sense logically, so it's probably not logical. It's emotional.
It's interesting that Goku isn't effected, but I think that can be chalked up to two reasons. One, he's full Saiyan. They don't seem to be as emotional as humans in general, so perhaps they don't have a PTSD-like mental health issue from intense violence around/against them. Two, he grew up eating wolves in the forest and raised himself for a year or two. To Goku, survival is probably just what you do every day. It's not traumatic because it's all he knows.
Gohan had five years of normal life, then about seven where super powerful monsters were trying to kill him and everyone he loved, then peace again. That sort of whiplash can mess a person up.
You know, Krillin confirmed that Gohan got (trauma) the poses from the G.Force
Gohan to Krillin: You haven’t thought of it before? Dude, it’s been a decade.
Obviously, yeah. He was like, four
Alexander Saggi 6 years-old I think.
To be fair, Krillin probably had other things on his mind considering the mortal danger he was in at the time.
well, he got his neck broken by Recoome, soo
When the Ginyu Force traumatized Gohan so hard that he's forced to live a life of posing.
the poser
They did break Gohan’s neck when he was about 6
well looks like chi chi better snap him back into shape
@@crumbz9053 just like how Recoome snapped his neck
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Honestly, this makes me wanna see the Ginyu Force turn good in Gohan's honor. I can totally see The Great Saiyaman and the Ginyu Force working as a crime fighting team. That'd be ultimate.
Ans then they have a big reunion with the galactic patrolmen, the heroes of universe 11 and gamma
I know we have dragon ball heroes with what ifs, but I would love a legit what if series of dragon ball
Did they redeemed?
i dought they would turn good since they are loyal to frieza, but i can see them offering him some training if they ever got revived. ginyu himself even knows how strong gohan has gotten since the last he saw him on namak
I need to see this in Sparking zero. Yet to pick up the game, but I need to see this
Ginyu: Ah i see your a man of culture aswell
How does this comment doesn't have any replies on it...
Me:ah I see you copied someone
@@darkgohan6760 It's a popular meme. You don't need some big brain to think this up. Almost anyone familiar with this meme would have the same thought.
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Gohan was really impressionable. He became a scholar by his mom, dresses like Piccolo, does these goofy poses and fights like his dad. I’m surprised he didn’t go bald because he hung around Krillin so much
He will go bald, its already written.
You know Gohan Blanco? Fans made that years ago but Dragon Ball made it into a canon by naming it Gohan Beast.
Pretty sure they'll copy Gohan Calvo for sure.
@@tidedetergentyummy Yep. It's only a matter of time.
Oh yeah…
@@tidedetergentyummyhe'll became calvo against chocolate frieza
Sometimes I feel sorry for Gohan to be influenced by the Ginyu Force.
Yea,
they would definitly make good training partners for him
Well they only follow orders
Its PTSD from getting utterly destroyed as a kid
He needs an adult, -_-
Hers my headcanon:
Saiyaman doesn't mimic the Ginyu force because he thinks their poses are cool, he mimics them because the fight with the Ginyu Force traumatized Gohan, and those mental scars still persist today, he mimics them for the same reason Batman dresses as a bat, because he thinks they're scary
That is actually a pretty common theory.
Deathnotefan97 Well after all he was just 5 maybe 6 years old, would be weird if he hasnt some kind of trauma
Caal Taes yeah he was 6 or some shit when Recoome brutalized the little fella and then snapped his neck.
No wonder he hates fighting.
Deathnotefan97 That's pretty much what most of the community think. Lmao at your head canon lol.
There are two comments under this one stating the exact same thing...
Want more proof that the Saiyaman was influenced by Ginyu?
Xenoverse 1 counts the Saiyaman's Justice Pose as a Ginyu skill, thus triggering Ginyu's Z-Soul.
Dose it work in xenoverse 2
@@the_coconut_is_home idk
@@the_coconut_is_home tecnically yes, but due to the mechanics, a few more poses are considered and activates both his, and the more recent Dr.Edo, supersoul effects. which, depending on how you see it, is either fortunate or unfortunate, since one of those counted is ribiranne's one
toriyama make the gohan force happen now
"The G-Force"
The Coyote Oh god not that movie
gohan, toppo, jaco, recoome, and videl the gohan force
shadowfoxx4 i would add the universe 3 police man
To be fair, Gohan, Videl, and Jaco in Xenoverse 2 (alongside your character) make a force similar to that
....Can we PLEASE reform the Ginyu Force so they can be Saiyaman allies? XD I feel that this is a spinoff just waiting to happen!
Or at least make Captain Ginyu Saiyamans arch nemesis.
I'm sure the ginyu force would be easy to switch over to good ...the only reason tey follow frieza is cause frieza's power ack in the day if they lived and saw goku was more powerful they would swerve like a drunk Russian on the freeway pluss they would ENJOY being allied with gohan in his saiyaman suit oh god and imagine a good ginyu force meeting the pride troopers it would be a pose off
Gohan and Toppo needed to have a dab-off in Super.
They need to recruit you ASAP, Jac.
I've seen the pride Troopers pose. They'd lose. Bad.
Goes to show that outside of Piccolo and Chi Chi, Gohan had so little of a social life that he chose these guys as idols. Well, it could've been worse, he could have taken after Goku or even Yamcha.
He and Yamcha have shared similar hairstyles in the past...
he's literally dressed as Goku but ok.
He literally shares same hairstyles as Yamcha either Chichi is secretly the barber for the Z Fighters or he idolized him an extent.
He's wearing the same close as Goku so...
Doctor Odin Future gohan?
Chichi: *sees Gohan doing poses as the great Saiyaman* At least this behavior I can’t blame on his father.
Goku: Pretty good, but maybe try something like this. *strikes a pose*
Chichi: Not entirely anyway.
Just reminds me of when Ginyu posed and Goku mimicked it before getting a lecture about doing it wrong.
so his greatest fighting pose is basically him flashing ...
why the fuck is gohan so intimidated
Lucina/Severa Lowell
You mean you WOULDN’T be intimidated If you saw a big horny purple man in a speedo flashing you?
See. Youre the Krillin in this situation. It's time for you to make some changes in your life.
It's all to-do with the technique. The speed and flair Captain Ginyu had when executing the move, with the balance needed to do such a thing, the position shows his alpha like superiority as well. It is all things to all men, truly amazing.
You do realize he can fly right? He's probably just cheating!
They beat the shit outta him as a kid, so now he thinks powerful people usually pose. I love that
Ginyu was hmm a fellow pose connoisseur 😂😂😂
now i want to see gohan as great saiyaman do a pose battle with the ginyu force
Shuyin781 Throw Gotenks in there for good measure. The ultimate pose battle!
Maybe Gohan was traumatized by the Ginyu Force and that led to him creating his Great Saiyaman Personal Poses. Poor Gohan😞
Alexis Metivier Yup, he doesn't do the poses because he thinks they're cool, he does them because he believes them to be intimidating, terrifying even
I can see that being a case with Recoome and Guldo. THe feeling soemone can move when time stops, or can hold you in place as they kill you. Or the out right over powering, beaten to death. Could explain how he felt when taking on Cell when he was younger.
Just imagine a 6 years old boy was forced traveling to the other side of galaxy to fight an alien overlord and his generals who ruled the entire universe.
No wonder he got traumatized....
just like Batman dresses as a bat because he has a trauma of bats
When you realize that, as a JJBA fan, all your favorite characters strike Ginyu Force like poses...
God dammit.
Julian Mitchell Awaken my MASTERS!!!
I'm pretty sure Jojo's did it first
Not at all, dragon Ball was first but when JoJo first came out, Goku in the Dragon Ball manga was still either a kid or just getting started with Dragon Ball Z
Nick Yolo but did the ginyu force come before or after jojo
Part 1-3 were before that
Krillins realization is me when seeing the great saiyaman for the first time
Don't think I don't see Ginyu tryna steal those Sonic Adventure poses
NinjaSonic 102 lol no he is trying to be hip and cool
Ginyu came out way before Sonic adventure
*Ginyu shows his "greatest fighting pose"*
Krillin thinking: Oh god if gohan did these poses then I wouldn't want to think what Marron would become watching him *looking at ginyu with his legs spread wide open.*
Hah dirty jokes
Lol
1:32 CANON!
lol Nice scene. Thanks for the upload.
One of Gohan's greatest influences are the guys who broke his neck as a kid.
That's sad.
It's been speculated that Gohan's brutal beatings by the Ginyu Force led to him trying to work it out as a teen through the Great Saiyaman. Same kind of posing and over-the-top personality. It's interesting that the Ginyus stuck with him more than even Cell's murder of 16.
Recoome broke the kid's neck. Cell broke a robot. Which one would you remember?
TBF The Great Saiyaman's colors are the same as 16's
Jesus. Gohan probably has a lot more wrong in the head than we think.
The outfit shares 16's color pallette though! The green over top of the black, and the orange helmet standing in for 16's hair. The only added element was the cape, which probably came Piccolo (since he loved wearing Piccolo-styled clothes as a kid).
This man Ginyu just BUSSIN the GUSSY WIDE open
Suku919 delete this nephew
You gotta go cuz
Lmaooo
LMAO😂😂😂😂😂
Gohan literally PTSD from fighting these dudes as a seven year old such that he thinks striking poses generate fear because HE WAS SO AFRAID OF THEM. deepest lore
I swear the fan service in this game is some next level crap
Crap, more like gold. XD
TFS Called it...
Gary Gathers II that’s exactly what I was thinking
Right!
What episode/stream?
I mean they were far from the first to...
I mean it was practically set up for people to think that. TFS didn't "call it."
Gohan's Role Model!
When Jojo fans met another Jojo fan and there's normie in between.
Kakyoin agrees they improved
if joseph joestar saw the ginyu force, he'll be like : "you call that posing ? hold my beer, i'll show you how it's done !"
You mean if Narancia saw them?
Was that a Jojo reference?
Madara Uchiha YES YES YES, YES!
1:26 Now we finally get to see how his "Speciaru Fighting Posoh" looks when he's not in Tagoma's body. :D
Rose Supreme he looked better in goku's body or tagoma
Videl!
Goten!
Trunks!
Krillin!
Gohan!
To!
Ge!
Ther!
We!
Are!
The Gohan Force!
If Super goes post end of z, I want Pan to go on patrols with Videl and Gohan.
I wanna see Super Sayajin Pan already.
Gohan had way more swag as a kid 😂
xOG Gaming But he is no way near as cool as adult Gohan when he is the Great Saiyaman!
Krillin figured it out
This is the kind of interaction I hoped to see between Gohan and the Ginyu Force. Loved how Krillin confirmed Gohan to have gotten trauma from fighting them as a kid.
I have a feeling in the dragon ball super manga when u7 meets u11 gohan may admire the pride troopers since they're like a super hero group
TC Crowder I was disappointed that they didn’t already do that in the anime
There actually was a bit during the Goku V Toppo fight where Beerus talks shit about the posing and speeches and Gohan responds "BUT I THINK IT'S REALLY COOL!"
Saiyanman Gohan without the helmet just the green jacket or black suit vs pride trooper toppo woulda been sweet with comedy lol
Ginyu: You have the physique of Atlas!
Gohan: [laughs] Thanks, I work out.
Ginyu: [laughs] Make poses with me!
Gohan: Okay!
Ginyu and Gohan: *[POSING INTENSIFIES]*
Jojo in a nutshell
lol that's sooo true. i bet the ginyu force are in fact secret fanboys of jojo
I bet Gohan likes Cherries and milfs.
@@SmashLiXs uh they also post In manga and anime.
@@krisspaqueo2316 yeah i learned that months ago. i think what meant was they don't pose that often
GRANT WAS RIGHT DAMMIT
Am i the only one who thinks Gohan as the Saiyaman is cool? I mean when he fights and stuff.
Gin Yaksha I agree. When he takes off the head scarf and cape, that's one of the coolest outfits in the show
My problem with the Saiyaman costume is that it tries to be a wierd half Kamen Rider like costume. The green over black is cool. The helm looks bad with it. Not to mention to silly bandana and sunglasses.
One of my favorite non storyline episodes of super was when he fought Barry as the Great Saiyaman
Gin Yaksha I love the great saiyaman
I've never had a problem with the Great Saiyaman, especially in movies 12 and 13. He was pretty cool then.
Krillin's face though 😂😂
Lol Ginyu's "Greatest Pose" is the same one he did inside of Tagoma's body to celebrate being able to work for Freeza again.
That loss killed my kids and took my wife, it truly is his greatest fighting pose.
DoyleDoyle Lol go home your drunk oh.... Wait Never you don't have one because of ginyu
That's cool that Gohan was influenced by The Ginyu Force almost everyone has to do a silly pose especially if they're fusing together
The only thing missing would have been Gohan responding with his “Champion of Justice” pose.
It wouldn't be the same without uniform
That moment you realize Krillin is concerned that his daughter could use these poses for naughty things.
So Gohan's weakness is pose criticism?
Krillin asking the right questions.
Good thing Gohan never read Jojo, because good luck posing like that kid
That final Ginyu pose was actually incredible
I can’t believe even gohan is intimidated by the sheer power of ginyu. I’m amazed and afraid at the same time
They all fail with the lack of explosions not appearing behind them. You always need explosions after the name call and pose. Do they even know how to tokusatsu? 😉
Sadly, N°21 revived them without their fireworks
Arc Sys took care of that in season 3 LOLOLOL
1:38
nooo krillin is time
If your daughter sees this, she'll have bad taste forever. you can't let her see this
Gohan got traumatized as a kid watching ginyu flash his crotch at him lmao
even in budokai tenkaichi 2 or 3 it mentions that the ginyu forces were the great saiyaman's motive.
At least krillin noticed here hehehe
I love the idea that Gohan is a Ginyu Force fanboy
they're all been watching too much tattooed teenage alien fighters from beverly hills
stil surprised that a real thing
when i heard it in dragon ball z abrigd i thought it was made up
So that theory is true
Gohan probably thought the Ginyu Force were cool when he first met them when he was a kid. Lol, they were his inspiration for Great Saiyaman no doubt.
I like how Krillin's Dad mode kicks in
Ginyu and Great Saiyaman
Real recognizes real
am i the only one who wants marron to lowkey do dynamic hero poses when she gets older?
Someone better forward this to TFS, they need to see this
Gohan joining the Ginyu Force? Now that would be interesting to see.
How could anyone beat them after Ginyu used his greatest fighting pose? It's too powerful.
If Marron saw them, she would start posing and become “Internet Famous” when she gets older
Abdega lol
1:34 OH MY GOD!!!
THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!!!!!
I thought it was already confirmed that Gohan was either influenced of traumatized by the Ginyu Force as a kid? Well, it's nice that the game establishes on it a bit more
mistykait96 no it wasn't beforehand I guess now it is
Piccolo: That's it! That explains EVERYTHING!
Krillin: You're poses are still shit.
Gohan (an intellectual): No way! They've gotten a lot better.
This was always my Theory!
I think I see Ginyu's greatest fighting pose in some dounjinshis
PTSD gave rise to Great Saiyaman's poses!
Man Krillin even roasts people. Is there any character in this game that doesn't roast or get roasted.
Everyone may roast each other but Cell in this game is the roast master.
Good job
Are we gonna forget that my man Gohan had his neck broken by Recoome?
The dance battle that ensued still rages on to this day, approaching 4 years of grunting and posing.
Krillin my nigga you finall understood where gohan got his poses from. Videl should get this info or else...lets just say i can see pan's future.
The fact that krillin brought up that he watched them as a kid makes this canon
Wow the ultimate pose really is something.
if nothing else, keeping up balance and one's own weight on just the fingers on one hand is worhty of praise, that ain't easy
I’m glad the z fighters are learning that Gohan needs therapy dudes traumatized from that beat down.
You know... I saw a lot of people theorize that Gohan got his weird poses from watching the Ginyu force... And I guess it's partly true...
Krillin just realized that the fight with Recoome must have traumatized Gohan. It's also one of the painful memories that triggered Gohan's SSJ2 form against Perfect Cell. Perfect Cell is the Perfect martial art teacher for Gohan. Piccolo's cells of Cell were active whenever around Gohan
That explains why future gohan never went through the pose phase. Dude got traumatized even worse by the androids.
"That's Right!" Ginyu enthusiastically shouts while barely moving or opening his mouth.
1:26 Ginyu is asserting his dominance by showing off his DRAGONS BALLS
lol gohan looks so impressed and even as bit intimidated as if ginyus greatest pose affected the fight
Gohan secretly while he was watching the Ginyu Force as a kid: Wow, these guys are so cool!
Bulma: But why the weird poses Gohan? Gohan: Because the poses are my greatest fear…. And it’s time my enemies shared my dread.
I think just spotted an Easter Egg: When Ginyu says he'll do his greatest pose, the Pose he does is the same he does in Resurrection of F, when he changes body with Tagoma.
Even now when I see the Ginyu Force I think "POWER RANGERS" with the posing.
Krillin, I am sure if Marron learns Ginyu's greatest fighting pose, she will be very popular among the boys in highschool.
gohan is reacting to ginyu as though he just went max power or got a new transformation or something and i am on the floor XDD
The comments Krillin made there, totally reminds me of the kind of things I'd see from Team Four Star.
I bet Gohan's heart skipped a beat when Ginyu complimented him.
TOKUSENTAI!
He was sent as a little kid to a far away planet to fight the most ruthless monsters in the universe of course he is going to have some kind of ptsd
1:30
Oh man i remember reading this in fanfiction. Can't believe no one made the connection