I am a native Russian-speaker and a pilot (so I know some standard RT phraseology both in English and in Russian). The voice message is, "Hawk-31, I am Poplar-48, here is your order. 42596". And then, after a pause, "Hawk-31, I am Poplar-48, here is your order: 42596. Receiving". The word "Priyom" at the end of the transmission is not the equivalent of "Over". It means, "I am now switching over from transmititng to receiving, it is your turn to transmit".
The new buzzer's message is roughly: "Receive the command. 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6. 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6. Over. Falcon 31, I am Topol-48. Receive the command. " (Btw, the voice sounds quite disinterested which is not typical for a radio operator or even a pre-recorded message. It's like some bored teenager while saying the numbers. Also, it sounds like russian propaganda for export - i.e. "see how scary we are with cryptic messages containing names of nuclear icbms)
Я не думаю, что это пропаганда. Было бы глупо делать все это только для того, чтобы «напугать кого-то» всеми остальными станциями, которые у них есть. Кроме того, все остальные голоса не кажутся заинтересованными...
To be fair, these are usual callsigns, Topol' is a poplar or cottonwood and yes, the name of ICBM as well. They use names of cities, plants, animals, minerals as callsigns and Topol' is one of the popular. Other examples from one of the platoons: Знаменск, Карат, Кедр, Тополь, Гранит, Пихта, Абакан, Адам, Метис, Баксан, Швед, Беркут, Ялта, Ростов, Сочи
Ok, I speak a bit of Russian and the voice message is: "receive the command, 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6, 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6" and then it repeats and mentions something about 'topol-31', which is the name of an ICBM but could equally be a codename as it means 'poplar' in Russian. This could be a numbers station using a buzzer at this frequency as a channel marker. I've seen a couple of comments about how disinterested the voice sounds, but to be honest this is probably TTS doing it. Numbers station operators use computer generated speech so that no one person is identifiable as the person who is actually reading the message, the only identifiable voice might be that of the person who inputted recordings of themselves saying each digit. It could equally be a hoax, as numbers stations (as i presume everyone here knows) tend to use some sort of message header, which alerts spooks as to when a transmission is going to start and makes sure they have their pen and paper ready or whatever. Therefore, I would probably suspect this is some flavour of psyop if it has come from the Russian Government, or if it has just come from some random as it does not match typical numbers station behaviour.
@@Stoney3K nah, its just a rather popular call sign in the russian military. Apart from trees they also often use river names and weather phenomena as a basis for the call signs. Also it wouldn't make much sense to bluff about an old rocket from the eighties which is almost retired by now.
Hi Lewis, that does sound like Alpha. The Alpha system (RSDN20) is still in use periodically, us VLF enthusiasts hear it regularly. The last activation was on 11 May for about 2 weeks. 73, Paul.
Something to note about jamming - especially on AM / SSB. The strength of the perceived jamming depends on the distance between the jammer and the receiver. So if you're listening in the UK, and someone's jamming in the UK, they might affect listeners for several hundred miles. But have no effect in continental Europe, especially eastern Europe. Then again, the jammer could also be thousands of miles away, and affecting much of the listening area. All I'm trying to say is just because you hear a jamming effort locally doesn't mean it's having a long distance effect.
@@snakezdewiggle6084 Wow. Well, regardless of where Paul is from, at least was trying to help people, instead of being a rude jackass. Believe it or not, there are people who find this stuff interesting, but don't know any of the technicalities behind it.
Around the 2:40 mark they say Yastreb 31[hawk] this is Topoly 48 [cottonwood?], Yastreb 31 this is Topoly 48, receive command 462596 462596 over. But I didn't learn Russian in school, so I could be a bit mistaken.
There is very heavy jamming happening on the battle field in the narrow bit of spectrum shared by GPS, GLONAS, Galileo and BeiDou. Perhaps the Alpha navigation system is getting a new life as a backup system that operates in a drastically different part of the spectrum. Sensor fusion could even be used where it operates in more of a sanity checking role.
@@deeiks12 no airplanes or missiles ever used Alpha or Omega for navigation as the precision isn't there, it is only really useful for quickly getting a rough fix (within around 5 miles), good enough for basic navigation in combination with any sort of map since if you can do basic math you'll be able to navigate with surprising accuracy.
@@ghost-jesus I am guessing the antenna required is going to be fairly large at those frequencies. he accuracy is not too serious when used with sensor fusion which is similar to what you are doing with a map. It certainly could be useful when combined with GPS/GLONASS, terrain mapping or even inertial. Given the enormous reliance on geolocation in the new technologies, having a secondary absolute information source could be very useful.
The real reason would be that it is easier to keep from being jammed if you use a directional antenna to point east, away from enemy jamming systems, as satellite GPS is easier to jam over a wider footprint, the US is doing the same thing with the new "E-Loran" stations that are popping up over here.
@@VioletGiraffe since he isn't gonna be able to tell you, the answer is vehicles, a simple digital compass and a few directional antennas could be used to make a nav computer reject signals coming from a direction known to not be the correct signal, making it difficult or even impossible to jam unless you can get a jammer in the same direction as the real transmitter, which is difficult to do on the battlefield, and all of the necessary materials and manufacturing for such a system is available within Russia because it doesn't require a modern computer to pull off.
@@ghost-jesus, but they're not navigating an open ocean or fly at high altitudes. They know where they are on the ground to a better degree of accuracy that this system provides.
@@petemitchell6788: No, no, if it was a Pride reference, it would have explicitly spelt out the letter œ in the middle of 'manœuvres', a letter so gay that it's literally French. 🙃
@@rileyfaelan that is definitely near the peak of gay. but you also have other contenders such as the british. their goddamn encyclopAEdias are basically just as bad, although i am sure that if we put them up against one another, the baguette-eaters would immediately wave the white flag and retreat and relinquish their crown of gay. and of course, you have their neighbOUrs and their colOUrs that are just one gay away. and then you have their tYres and their defenCes and their goddamn apologiSing and their kilogramMEs that are two gay away from the top. i guess they also have the whole catalogUEs, but already the gay has diminished considerably. makes me want to throw up. and then you have their full-blown insanity with them turning on their "barbie" barbecue and eating "fish and chips" fish with fries alongside their "blokes" guy friends over in the backward of their "flat" house.. maybe even taking off their "trousers" pants and their "pants" underwear with their "lads" buddies.. that's it, they have completely lost their minds. how the heck do you switch pants for underwear and trousers for pants? literally the opposite of everything that is normal and civilized. and don't even get me started with their accent.. at least the ones from "normal" regions can be understood most of the time. but people from their remote british territories like those scottish or whatever else they have? holy crap.. that stuff is just wild. i guess it's the equivalent of southern states in the united states, except once again somehow reversed with the strange accent being in the northern parts of their british territory. and the difference is that southerners in the united states have an accent, but you can one hundred percent understand what they are saying, and some would argue that it sounds even better than just the pure english that you have in the rest of the country or canada except for their strange canuck "abooot" instead of "about". that is not even close to being the case for remote areas of british-landia. you better hope that you never stumble across a recording of one of those specimens attempting to communicate. literally sounds like a goddamn gorilla attempting to read chinesium hieroglyphs or whatever. might as well be a chinese communist foreign national illegal alien that just arrived from wuhan by hiding inside a shipping container or something. totally and completely unintelligible. you'll catch like one word every fifteen sentences. it's as if they are trying to enrage us on purpose. totally unacceptable.
I like your reference to the "T" marker beacon. .I don't know if you were ever monitoring in the early 80s (probably not) but some of my friends and I used to monitor cw marker "W" on 10.6982 MHz. We used to pick it up starting at about sunset and well into the evening here in Michigan in the US. Alas, it's been decades since we've heard "W" and it's now but a fond memory to us that was lots of fun to listen in on. We used to joke around by saying that we wondered if W was a station in the US who's callsign started with a "W" followed by an infinite number of other w's - or - if the op just had a bad stutter! Anyway, I always look forward to watching your vids. 73 de WB8YMV @EN82HI
Great video, Lewis, thanks! This is really very strange. I'd be inclined to think it's pirates, but it seems as though it's too organised and deliberate. In any case, I'm going to see what I might be able to pick up at my QTH. I'll let you know if there are any differences and what they may be. Cheers!
There is a lot of localised Sat Nav / GPS jamming occurring all over the UA front line, and apparently all over UA and RU itself (to defeat GPS guided drones that UA sends over to RU, and vice versa). On the front line, its disruptive because while it interferes with your enemy's geolocation, it also jams your own. Maybe they are resurrecting the older RNAV systems so their 1980s vintage jet bombers can make it back to base.
@@xGolBLiiN Not comparible? How so? Are you implying they can use frigates from 20th century as long as aviation is modern? I would have a guess that maintaining huge ship with crew of 1000+ would require more time and money than maintaining 1 jet or helicopter which is why its better to produce new one.
@@Xover112 because ships are *significantly* more expensive and larger than planes while also taking *significantly* longer to wear and tear, therefore the rate of renewal can be vastly different while still maintaining combat effectiveness. This is not at all a difficult concept to grasp and anybody with two brain cells to rub together should be able to understand it. All that to say the US naval fleet is significantly larger, has newer and fully functional ships, while the Moskva, Russia’s pride and joy, had multiple mission critical systems not working due to poor maintenance, and now is at the bottom of the Black Sea. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The "air horn" and the "goose" sound like the simple electronic circuits that I've made to simulate bird chirps. They're adjustable in both frequency and repetition rate.
I wonder if some of these channel markers are actually being used as split data streams. RE If say 4 freqs are monitored and combined, a sort of morse code could be built up out of subtle timing differences between the different channel markers.
See my post at the top for what I thought.. its not much different then your thoughts here.. split data.. and you interlace it one with the other.. one could also be a key to cypher the other..
@@LivelysReport broadcasting the cipher key on one channel and the cipher'd message on another doesn't sound very secure, I'd imagine it would take Fort Meade about 30 seconds to crack that.
I can hear it fairly well from Connecticut in the US on my C Crane Skywave and a good length of wire. There seems to be a woman speaking very briefly at about 22:55 UTC on June 10th (right now)
I don't want to draw any conclusions but on the Ukraine-Russian side of the news they were reporting that Russia was considering turning back on those older navigation systems due to intense GNSS jamming. Could be as simple as that.
The problem for Russia is that Ukraine also uses ANS. Those systems are standard on all An-124 aircraft, and Ukraine is one of primary users of those aircraft.
@@jhdsfalsjhdfjashdkhvjfldld8301 I am not talking about air force and fighters. An-124 is not a fighter. IIRC fighters never used ANS, ANS was used by long range aircraft.
@@macieksoft Ukraine has nothing left. And those big chonky long range military freight transporters are big targets on runways. Again, the begging explains a lot.
I like your stuff, man. I don't have any RF receiving equipment because I am poor, but I am building circuits in that direction. Meanwhile, I use websdrs all the time. Thanks for showing me all these cool transmissions.
@johanhendriks I actually have one of those too. I plug it in to my phone, which is the only computing device I have, and use sdr++. The trouble is, the whip antenna only allows strong local fm signals. And I have limited space. I am considering setting up a magnetic loop in my living room. Also, frequently, 20 bucks is a lot of money to me.
@@OblateBede Glad to hear you do have the usb thing. magnetic loop antenna sounds like a nice expansion. maybe also get an broadcast FM filter to block the strong radio signals that are drowning out everything else. If the financial situation allows for that, of course.
I posted this a few months ago on your channel. I suggested that eventually the channel marker on 4612 USB would change. 4612 will likely be the new command and control station for the upcoming Leningrad Military District. "The Russian Minister of Defence Sergei Shoigu announced that they intend to bring back the Moscow Military District and the Leningrad Military District and disband the Western Military District. The second Buzzer is likely going to be the Leningrad Military District command and control broadcast. Perhaps 4612 USB will change channel marker for the reactivation of the Leningrad Military District?" From recent Russian media. "In 2023, it is necessary to timely provide organizational and staffing support for the formation of combined arms and air armies, an army corps, the Azov naval region, five divisions and 26 brigades, and the creation of the Moscow and Leningrad military districts." "Head of the Main Organization and Mobilization Directorate of the General Staff, General Colonel Yevgeny Burdinsky, said that the Russian Armed Forces will split the Western Military District into two (Moscow and Leningrad) by end 2023"
Wild guess, but since a lot of people associate these things with nukes, maybe they're trying to scare people. I don't speak Russian or Spanish but the voice reminded me of something I've heard coming from what I think might be Cuba. The one I think is Cuban is maybe 20 numbers read aloud, than a digital transmission, then back to voice. Although, for all I know it could be the US sending texmex recipes with pictures.
The weird thing about the Cuban ones is the chromatic tones they play before even the regular broadcasts. Something about chromatic tones that hasnt been fully addressed.
At 1:26 those irregular beats are simply the other number station called "The Pip" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pip). All the number stations run from the same room and the sound they make are just mechanical sounds being made infront of a microphone, so whenever they repair or open the cover on one, you can hear all the other number stations that are playing in the room
I haven’t looked at Numbers Stations stuff in a decade, then UA-cam recommends me this! I guess it must’ve remembered my interest. It’s a bit sad that the original mechanical buzzer may be gone.
translation: 2:25 "hawk-31, i'm poplar-48, receive command: 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6, 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6, over." It's hardly an ICBM, as nobody will ever use the model name of the rocket as the callsign to avoid immediate understanding of what's actually going on. And in this specific case, the "poplar" is sending a command to "hawk", which doesnt make sense if it actually was an ICBM (mobile) station. Could be a command to relocate/patrol a set of waypoints sent to an aircraft from a radar on the ground, or an exchange between the recon hq and some recon group.
2:26 - Sounds to me like "Я ястреб тридцать один, я Тополь сорок восемь" "I am a hawk 31, I am Topol 48". - "I am a hawk" seems a clear reference to Viktor Nikitovich Mikhaylov, the the first soviet minister of atomic energy, who described himself this way in his biography. So it makes me think about "Topol" as a mention to ICBM, indeed. Am I wrong?
It's more like "I am 3-31, I am Topol-48, accept the command", then bunch of numbers and "over". It's a code that doesn't mean anything unless you know it
Could it be an OTH Radar like thing / eary warning system? Where they just emit a lot of pulsed narrowband RF with frequency hopping (as seen in the spectrum) to receive it in another site and use that as an early warning system by detecting the doppler frequency changed signal of any object approaching them really fast from space?
It is interesting times on the waves indeed, though, with the considerable amount of trolling going around, it's hard to say if anything is genuine anymore. Given the likelihood of trolling and the potential for grave mistakes if some poor soldier was to follow a command sent by a troll, it would surprise me if they were still relying on these truly, although given the secrecy of the messages and encoding, it'd surely be easy to tell genuine from a troll in the field, I guess! Given the moves in almost desperation from RU, I do not doubt the theory that old, previously obsoleted systems would be used even if it grants them a very small window of opportunity to make a new move. It's crazy, it really is.
Hi Lewis great video mate and I've written down all of those frequencies and wrote what each one is called mate and I've got my Yaesu FT-950 on right now and I have just listened to all of those frequencies you've mentioned about in the video and I can pick up all of them no problem and I'm getting them very strong on a 5-9+10 and I'm only using like 60 foot of eathing wire as an antenna and it works brilliant mate. Thanks and best 73's for now cheers. Stephen M3SNV 73's.
My brother was in the British army as a signaller he told me about when tuning into frequencies he could hear old radio messages mostly from ww2 and the cold war and people talking , I would be interested to know more about what he was talking about
@@PaxTemplarradio waves are prevented from escaping into space by the ionosphere, that then bounce around between the earth and the underside of the ionosphere
@@MrZOMBIE170 The signals would be so weak and attenuated that you would barely hear it and it would take extremely expensive receivers to pick that up.
the tones @ 2:55 are eerily familiar.. creepy.. i feel i've heard them before.. i couldn't tell you where.. somewhere deep down they mean something bad..
that's missile command. doing a dril.. the syncopy of the beeping is the same as rocket launch warning... then come the codes... which means the original is the deadhand system.. not sure about the polyphonic...
Maybe is some sort of radar with transceiver in middle of big field receivers around. And weird message is sours of all freqvencies for detection thing in field
Old russian systems are being recommisioned as russia is running out of resources they have to use older and older tech, old nav systems and whatever use such systems and most probably these stations are required for them
@@claymentv2199 A modern technology which can be jammed, vs an older technology which cannot be jammed. Which one would you pick. Even if i had millions of missiles lying around, i would prefer the later.
The translation would be how @peter-iq9yy said: "Hawk-31, here's Poplar-38, Hawk-31, here's Poplar-38. Receive Command: 462596, Over" According to general radio protocol, the transmission in the video begins in the middle of the message. The callout for the receiver and naming of the sender should be the first section, before the message itself. Just a general hint on the callsigns used there, (although I might be completely wrong) is that the Poplar (Topol) would be a radio based on the ground, hence the "tree" naming, and Hawk (Yastreb) would be a flying unit. In Russian it would be: "Ястреб 31, я Тополь 48 Ястреб 31, я Тополь 48 Принимай команду: 462596 Прием"
So would it be ludicrous to wonder if vocal instructions are present all the time hidden with the buzzer and on the day that those were received were heard because the “mixing equipment” failed/drunk or more likely the hamski radioski dude is just turning up the weird.
462596 That cannot be a coincidence! Maybe some kind of status code of the buzzer? Aka 4625 (Status) 96? Edit: OHVAT-98 exists. is the buzzer maybe 96 in the row?
96 is maybe a call out to a certain channel encoded within signal. People have long suspected there are subtle timing differences that allow for different data channels and information WITHIN the seemingly simple broadcast.
@@roelbrook7559 The Callsign of The Buzzer (The Original not the new one) is 4625. They are transmitting "Command 462596.". This makes it clearly related.
It's strange that, just now when Ukraine started their counter offense, this change is happening. The three tones sounds like they are probing for incoming transmissions.
that alpha at 4:15 sure looks like it damaged the trees .... top down wiew...kinda like the bomb exploded at the station I heard stories from my dad,who was a commander of air defence radar station,how all the tree tops on the level of radar station became rooten and died...😮 maybe similar effect is seen here IdK coz I am not an expert...😂
As a catastrophist, could this be a guidance system which, although kind of analogue, is less susceptible to a cyber type attack. Could be used for older soviet union ICBMS. Let's be fair if you are going to nuke a foreign city missing the target by a kilometer or 2 is a direct hit.
ICBMs aren't guided by radio - that will ALL go to shit in the first EMP. Any radio navigation is also easy to jam. They're inertia guided. 2km off will not hurt a hard target.
If it was Alpha it would make sense to have a backup in case satellites were to become dark for whatever reason. Is that the way navigation used to work before satellites?
I am a native Russian-speaker and a pilot (so I know some standard RT phraseology both in English and in Russian).
The voice message is, "Hawk-31, I am Poplar-48, here is your order. 42596". And then, after a pause, "Hawk-31, I am Poplar-48, here is your order: 42596. Receiving".
The word "Priyom" at the end of the transmission is not the equivalent of "Over". It means, "I am now switching over from transmititng to receiving, it is your turn to transmit".
Thank you!
The new buzzer's message is roughly: "Receive the command. 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6. 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6. Over. Falcon 31, I am Topol-48. Receive the command. " (Btw, the voice sounds quite disinterested which is not typical for a radio operator or even a pre-recorded message. It's like some bored teenager while saying the numbers. Also, it sounds like russian propaganda for export - i.e. "see how scary we are with cryptic messages containing names of nuclear icbms)
Ну вот, спалил всю контору
No offense, but that would make UVB-76 the most pointless psyop ever.
Thanks for translating, friend!
Я не думаю, что это пропаганда. Было бы глупо делать все это только для того, чтобы «напугать кого-то» всеми остальными станциями, которые у них есть. Кроме того, все остальные голоса не кажутся заинтересованными...
Stop giving out the missile launch codes comrade
To be fair, these are usual callsigns, Topol' is a poplar or cottonwood and yes, the name of ICBM as well. They use names of cities, plants, animals, minerals as callsigns and Topol' is one of the popular. Other examples from one of the platoons: Знаменск, Карат, Кедр, Тополь, Гранит, Пихта, Абакан, Адам, Метис, Баксан, Швед, Беркут, Ялта, Ростов, Сочи
Ok, I speak a bit of Russian and the voice message is:
"receive the command, 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6, 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6" and then it repeats and mentions something about 'topol-31', which is the name of an ICBM but could equally be a codename as it means 'poplar' in Russian.
This could be a numbers station using a buzzer at this frequency as a channel marker. I've seen a couple of comments about how disinterested the voice sounds, but to be honest this is probably TTS doing it. Numbers station operators use computer generated speech so that no one person is identifiable as the person who is actually reading the message, the only identifiable voice might be that of the person who inputted recordings of themselves saying each digit.
It could equally be a hoax, as numbers stations (as i presume everyone here knows) tend to use some sort of message header, which alerts spooks as to when a transmission is going to start and makes sure they have their pen and paper ready or whatever. Therefore, I would probably suspect this is some flavour of psyop if it has come from the Russian Government, or if it has just come from some random as it does not match typical numbers station behaviour.
Maybe the reference to the "Topol-31" is just a ruse to bluff about Russia's nuclear capabilities and the numbered messages are completely unrelated?
they say: yastreb-31 i'm topol-48
he ends with a priom what does that mean ?
@@michael752912 "receiving". Which seems to be an odd thing to say on a transmit-only system. Maybe it' just supposed to mean "out" in this instance.
@@Stoney3K nah, its just a rather popular call sign in the russian military. Apart from trees they also often use river names and weather phenomena as a basis for the call signs. Also it wouldn't make much sense to bluff about an old rocket from the eighties which is almost retired by now.
Hi Lewis, that does sound like Alpha. The Alpha system (RSDN20) is still in use periodically, us VLF enthusiasts hear it regularly. The last activation was on 11 May for about 2 weeks. 73, Paul.
Something to note about jamming - especially on AM / SSB. The strength of the perceived jamming depends on the distance between the jammer and the receiver.
So if you're listening in the UK, and someone's jamming in the UK, they might affect listeners for several hundred miles. But have no effect in continental Europe, especially eastern Europe.
Then again, the jammer could also be thousands of miles away, and affecting much of the listening area.
All I'm trying to say is just because you hear a jamming effort locally doesn't mean it's having a long distance effect.
Must be Murikin', stating the inherently bleedingly obvious. How long did it take you to discover this revalation
@@snakezdewiggle6084 Wow. Well, regardless of where Paul is from, at least was trying to help people, instead of being a rude jackass. Believe it or not, there are people who find this stuff interesting, but don't know any of the technicalities behind it.
@X - Force.
Get a book, read the book, be educated or, buy a squar black box with a button on it, and remain ignorant.
We all must make a choice.
;)
@@snakezdewiggle6084: Because the theme music of a Japanese video game would be a distinctly American thing to enjoy? 🤨
@Riley Faelan ...
And ?
Around the 2:40 mark they say Yastreb 31[hawk] this is Topoly 48 [cottonwood?], Yastreb 31 this is Topoly 48, receive command 462596 462596 over. But I didn't learn Russian in school, so I could be a bit mistaken.
I can confir your words.
Ястреб 31 я Тополь 48, принимай команду 462596
Yastreb 31, I am Topol' 48, recieve command 462596
💯 correct
Could it be that they are referring to the ICBM Ястреб and Тополь could be that old Tupolev drone?
name number, name number this is name number, recieve command number over
Yes
There is very heavy jamming happening on the battle field in the narrow bit of spectrum shared by GPS, GLONAS, Galileo and BeiDou. Perhaps the Alpha navigation system is getting a new life as a backup system that operates in a drastically different part of the spectrum. Sensor fusion could even be used where it operates in more of a sanity checking role.
Or they've run out of some sort of ammo or airplanes and are using some older ones that need Alpha for navigation...
@@deeiks12 hows the conteroffensive
@@deeiks12 no airplanes or missiles ever used Alpha or Omega for navigation as the precision isn't there, it is only really useful for quickly getting a rough fix (within around 5 miles), good enough for basic navigation in combination with any sort of map since if you can do basic math you'll be able to navigate with surprising accuracy.
@@ghost-jesus I am guessing the antenna required is going to be fairly large at those frequencies. he accuracy is not too serious when used with sensor fusion which is similar to what you are doing with a map. It certainly could be useful when combined with GPS/GLONASS, terrain mapping or even inertial. Given the enormous reliance on geolocation in the new technologies, having a secondary absolute information source could be very useful.
@@deeiks12 Tell em, ghost of Kiev
There breaking out old military equipment that requires this old nav system.
The real reason would be that it is easier to keep from being jammed if you use a directional antenna to point east, away from enemy jamming systems, as satellite GPS is easier to jam over a wider footprint, the US is doing the same thing with the new "E-Loran" stations that are popping up over here.
What kind of equipment, in your opinion, could use a nav system with such low accuracy?
@@VioletGiraffe since he isn't gonna be able to tell you, the answer is vehicles, a simple digital compass and a few directional antennas could be used to make a nav computer reject signals coming from a direction known to not be the correct signal, making it difficult or even impossible to jam unless you can get a jammer in the same direction as the real transmitter, which is difficult to do on the battlefield, and all of the necessary materials and manufacturing for such a system is available within Russia because it doesn't require a modern computer to pull off.
@@ghost-jesus, but they're not navigating an open ocean or fly at high altitudes. They know where they are on the ground to a better degree of accuracy that this system provides.
@@VioletGiraffe dont forget that the range of said system is tremendous, in the order of over 10,000 km
One day I heard and saw a pirate broadcast next to the buzzer. it was a couple meme pictures and also they started playing The Perfect Girl over it.
Hi Lewis.just a heads up. Next weekend big air manovers over northern and southern Germany and the North Sea might be worth listening out.
Thanks for the tip!
Manovers? Part of pride month I suppose. 😂
@@petemitchell6788: No, no, if it was a Pride reference, it would have explicitly spelt out the letter œ in the middle of 'manœuvres', a letter so gay that it's literally French. 🙃
@@rileyfaelan that is definitely near the peak of gay. but you also have other contenders such as the british. their goddamn encyclopAEdias are basically just as bad, although i am sure that if we put them up against one another, the baguette-eaters would immediately wave the white flag and retreat and relinquish their crown of gay. and of course, you have their neighbOUrs and their colOUrs that are just one gay away. and then you have their tYres and their defenCes and their goddamn apologiSing and their kilogramMEs that are two gay away from the top. i guess they also have the whole catalogUEs, but already the gay has diminished considerably.
makes me want to throw up.
and then you have their full-blown insanity with them turning on their "barbie" barbecue and eating "fish and chips" fish with fries alongside their "blokes" guy friends over in the backward of their "flat" house.. maybe even taking off their "trousers" pants and their "pants" underwear with their "lads" buddies..
that's it, they have completely lost their minds. how the heck do you switch pants for underwear and trousers for pants? literally the opposite of everything that is normal and civilized.
and don't even get me started with their accent.. at least the ones from "normal" regions can be understood most of the time. but people from their remote british territories like those scottish or whatever else they have? holy crap.. that stuff is just wild. i guess it's the equivalent of southern states in the united states, except once again somehow reversed with the strange accent being in the northern parts of their british territory. and the difference is that southerners in the united states have an accent, but you can one hundred percent understand what they are saying, and some would argue that it sounds even better than just the pure english that you have in the rest of the country or canada except for their strange canuck "abooot" instead of "about". that is not even close to being the case for remote areas of british-landia. you better hope that you never stumble across a recording of one of those specimens attempting to communicate. literally sounds like a goddamn gorilla attempting to read chinesium hieroglyphs or whatever. might as well be a chinese communist foreign national illegal alien that just arrived from wuhan by hiding inside a shipping container or something. totally and completely unintelligible. you'll catch like one word every fifteen sentences.
it's as if they are trying to enrage us on purpose. totally unacceptable.
I like your reference to the "T" marker beacon. .I don't know if you were ever monitoring in the early 80s (probably not) but some of my friends and I used to monitor cw marker "W" on 10.6982 MHz. We used to pick it up starting at about sunset and well into the evening here in Michigan in the US. Alas, it's been decades since we've heard "W" and it's now but a fond memory to us that was lots of fun to listen in on. We used to joke around by saying that we wondered if W was a station in the US who's callsign started with a "W" followed by an infinite number of other w's - or - if the op just had a bad stutter! Anyway, I always look forward to watching your vids. 73 de WB8YMV @EN82HI
Great video, Lewis, thanks! This is really very strange. I'd be inclined to think it's pirates, but it seems as though it's too organised and deliberate. In any case, I'm going to see what I might be able to pick up at my QTH. I'll let you know if there are any differences and what they may be. Cheers!
There is a lot of localised Sat Nav / GPS jamming occurring all over the UA front line, and apparently all over UA and RU itself (to defeat GPS guided drones that UA sends over to RU, and vice versa). On the front line, its disruptive because while it interferes with your enemy's geolocation, it also jams your own. Maybe they are resurrecting the older RNAV systems so their 1980s vintage jet bombers can make it back to base.
"1980s vintage jet bombers" - I can only imagine what you'd call most of the US fleet
@@Mocsk Wait till he looks up american naval fleet average age.
@@Xover112 naval ships and airplanes are not at all comparable in this metric, kinda silly to think they would be.
@@xGolBLiiN Not comparible? How so? Are you implying they can use frigates from 20th century as long as aviation is modern?
I would have a guess that maintaining huge ship with crew of 1000+ would require more time and money than maintaining 1 jet or helicopter which is why its better to produce new one.
@@Xover112 because ships are *significantly* more expensive and larger than planes while also taking *significantly* longer to wear and tear, therefore the rate of renewal can be vastly different while still maintaining combat effectiveness.
This is not at all a difficult concept to grasp and anybody with two brain cells to rub together should be able to understand it.
All that to say the US naval fleet is significantly larger, has newer and fully functional ships, while the Moskva, Russia’s pride and joy, had multiple mission critical systems not working due to poor maintenance, and now is at the bottom of the Black Sea. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
They know that you're on to 'em Lewis 🤣
tHe ruSSianz r cumin!
The "air horn" and the "goose" sound like the simple electronic circuits that I've made to simulate bird chirps. They're adjustable in both frequency and repetition rate.
I wonder if some of these channel markers are actually being used as split data streams. RE If say 4 freqs are monitored and combined, a sort of morse code could be built up out of subtle timing differences between the different channel markers.
I agree! Thought that for a long time.
See my post at the top for what I thought.. its not much different then your thoughts here.. split data.. and you interlace it one with the other.. one could also be a key to cypher the other..
@@LivelysReport broadcasting the cipher key on one channel and the cipher'd message on another doesn't sound very secure, I'd imagine it would take Fort Meade about 30 seconds to crack that.
@@doctorscoot unless of course it’s designed to throw people off. Give them duff data like this and they’ll be tricked in to following it.
nah it to complicated and no reason for such complexity anyway ya cant decode message meanings
I can hear it fairly well from Connecticut in the US on my C Crane Skywave and a good length of wire. There seems to be a woman speaking very briefly at about 22:55 UTC on June 10th (right now)
I don't want to draw any conclusions but on the Ukraine-Russian side of the news they were reporting that Russia was considering turning back on those older navigation systems due to intense GNSS jamming.
Could be as simple as that.
GPS is being jammed by Russia, GLONASS might be jammed by Ukrainians
The problem for Russia is that Ukraine also uses ANS. Those systems are standard on all An-124 aircraft, and Ukraine is one of primary users of those aircraft.
@@macieksoft Ukraine has no airforce left. Why do you think uncle Z is begging Nato and the EU for fighters ? Or anything with wings at this point.
@@jhdsfalsjhdfjashdkhvjfldld8301 I am not talking about air force and fighters. An-124 is not a fighter. IIRC fighters never used ANS, ANS was used by long range aircraft.
@@macieksoft Ukraine has nothing left. And those big chonky long range military freight transporters are big targets on runways. Again, the begging explains a lot.
I like your stuff, man. I don't have any RF receiving equipment because I am poor, but I am building circuits in that direction. Meanwhile, I use websdrs all the time. Thanks for showing me all these cool transmissions.
You do know that a simple RTL SDR usb stick is like 20 bucks, right?
@johanhendriks I actually have one of those too. I plug it in to my phone, which is the only computing device I have, and use sdr++. The trouble is, the whip antenna only allows strong local fm signals. And I have limited space. I am considering setting up a magnetic loop in my living room. Also, frequently, 20 bucks is a lot of money to me.
@@OblateBede Glad to hear you do have the usb thing. magnetic loop antenna sounds like a nice expansion. maybe also get an broadcast FM filter to block the strong radio signals that are drowning out everything else. If the financial situation allows for that, of course.
@@johanhendriks lame
4:35 is pacman stuck In there somewhere
Yeah, that's defo the start music for pacman looping away there😁
Yeah that does absolutely sound like the pacman. Odd.
@@kriss3d Aphex Twin
Hence calling it a troll!
I posted this a few months ago on your channel. I suggested that eventually the channel marker on 4612 USB would change. 4612 will likely be the new command and control station for the upcoming Leningrad Military District.
"The Russian Minister of Defence Sergei Shoigu announced that they intend to bring back the Moscow Military District and the Leningrad Military District and disband the Western Military District. The second Buzzer is likely going to be the Leningrad Military District command and control broadcast. Perhaps 4612 USB will change channel marker for the reactivation of the Leningrad Military District?"
From recent Russian media.
"In 2023, it is necessary to timely provide organizational and staffing support for the formation of combined arms and air armies, an army corps, the Azov naval region, five divisions and 26 brigades, and the creation of the Moscow and Leningrad military districts."
"Head of the Main Organization and Mobilization Directorate of the General Staff, General Colonel Yevgeny Burdinsky, said that the Russian Armed Forces will split the Western Military District into two (Moscow and Leningrad) by end 2023"
2:48 That was just making some music in Ableton live went over to Russia😂
Wild guess, but since a lot of people associate these things with nukes, maybe they're trying to scare people. I don't speak Russian or Spanish but the voice reminded me of something I've heard coming from what I think might be Cuba. The one I think is Cuban is maybe 20 numbers read aloud, than a digital transmission, then back to voice. Although, for all I know it could be the US sending texmex recipes with pictures.
The weird thing about the Cuban ones is the chromatic tones they play before even the regular broadcasts. Something about chromatic tones that hasnt been fully addressed.
4:35 The sound effects from Pac-Man in the background.
I can definitely hear some Russian numbers being read out in that broadcast
4:37 is the russian buzzer being jammed by Pacman?
Sounds like it!!
At 1:26 those irregular beats are simply the other number station called "The Pip" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pip). All the number stations run from the same room and the sound they make are just mechanical sounds being made infront of a microphone, so whenever they repair or open the cover on one, you can hear all the other number stations that are playing in the room
Ah, a crossover episode.
Could they be the lottery numbers?
definitely, or soccer scores
“Yuri! Which line did you send that fax on… damnit, Yuri!!”
4:34 it's also playing the Pac-Man theme?
Also, what is the frequency from Northwood? I live there and it could be from a couple of things nearby.
I haven’t looked at Numbers Stations stuff in a decade, then UA-cam recommends me this! I guess it must’ve remembered my interest. It’s a bit sad that the original mechanical buzzer may be gone.
whatever it is for good or bad its nice/cool to see some new station markers pop up especially ones that have you guessing like UVB
translation:
2:25 "hawk-31, i'm poplar-48, receive command: 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6, 4, 6, 2, 5, 9, 6, over." It's hardly an ICBM, as nobody will ever use the model name of the rocket as the callsign to avoid immediate understanding of what's actually going on. And in this specific case, the "poplar" is sending a command to "hawk", which doesnt make sense if it actually was an ICBM (mobile) station. Could be a command to relocate/patrol a set of waypoints sent to an aircraft from a radar on the ground, or an exchange between the recon hq and some recon group.
2:26 - Sounds to me like "Я ястреб тридцать один, я Тополь сорок восемь" "I am a hawk 31, I am Topol 48". - "I am a hawk" seems a clear reference to Viktor Nikitovich Mikhaylov, the the first soviet minister of atomic energy, who described himself this way in his biography. So it makes me think about "Topol" as a mention to ICBM, indeed. Am I wrong?
Those are very common call signs, I doubt they reference anything.
doesn’t sound like “sorok vosem” (48) but similar to it. at first hear, it sounds like that but if you listen more carefully it’s not a number.
It's more like "I am 3-31, I am Topol-48, accept the command", then bunch of numbers and "over". It's a code that doesn't mean anything unless you know it
@@user-be2wq1xb1d I personally hear "Ястреб". And why would there be two source call signs in the same command? And 48 is 48, no questions.
I don't really hear 'ястреб' there, FWIW. I would transcribe the first part as "Я три десять один".
it seems the buzzer frequencies are more or less the same as the us hfgcs system, but with channel markers
Sounds better than a buzzer that's for sure 😅
Mabey Russer has had to go back to ADSL Dile Up Connection 🤣
Could it be an OTH Radar like thing / eary warning system? Where they just emit a lot of pulsed narrowband RF with frequency hopping (as seen in the spectrum) to receive it in another site and use that as an early warning system by detecting the doppler frequency changed signal of any object approaching them really fast from space?
The signal is nothing like an OTHR so you can rule that out
@4:40 sounds like the new game start sound of Pac-Man
It has completely changed again. Plays three notes, the last one twice in a sequence.
2:57 sounds like the sound wich is generated if the number your are calling is not available
It sounds very like Tina Turner's "Can't Stand the Rain".
😂Yes, totally!
Can't be her, she died recently.
They better not get rid of the old buzzer cuz sometimes I listen to it live to go to sleep.
Hopefully it doesnt go away forever. I enjoy listning to the buzz.
It is interesting times on the waves indeed, though, with the considerable amount of trolling going around, it's hard to say if anything is genuine anymore.
Given the likelihood of trolling and the potential for grave mistakes if some poor soldier was to follow a command sent by a troll, it would surprise me if they were still relying on these truly, although given the secrecy of the messages and encoding, it'd surely be easy to tell genuine from a troll in the field, I guess!
Given the moves in almost desperation from RU, I do not doubt the theory that old, previously obsoleted systems would be used even if it grants them a very small window of opportunity to make a new move. It's crazy, it really is.
The chance of a "troll" sending meaningful orders are basically zero. Now, foreign intelligence agencies posing as "trolls"....
Hi Lewis great video mate and I've written down all of those frequencies and wrote what each one is called mate and I've got my Yaesu FT-950 on right now and I have just listened to all of those frequencies you've mentioned about in the video and I can pick up all of them no problem and I'm getting them very strong on a 5-9+10 and I'm only using like 60 foot of eathing wire as an antenna and it works brilliant mate. Thanks and best 73's for now cheers. Stephen M3SNV 73's.
Sounds like the ghost of Rolf Harris on his stylophone…. God forbid!
Oh those Russians
Kenneth, what is the frequency?
So creepy sounding. I still feel that it's transmitting data to agents who have a way to decrypt it.
Sounds like grid coordinates. Apparently on the russian-mongolian border
My brother was in the British army as a signaller he told me about when tuning into frequencies he could hear old radio messages mostly from ww2 and the cold war and people talking , I would be interested to know more about what he was talking about
Other people hear their dead relatives in static noise. This is not a technical issue.
your brother was probably taking the piss. it's a trait we all had and still have as soldiers!
@@PaxTemplar I would have been able to tell if he was taking the piss ,he not really like that
@@PaxTemplarradio waves are prevented from escaping into space by the ionosphere, that then bounce around between the earth and the underside of the ionosphere
@@MrZOMBIE170 The signals would be so weak and attenuated that you would barely hear it and it would take extremely expensive receivers to pick that up.
Awful lot of buzz around this lately. 😂
Oh you.
5:05 I swear I could hear the Pac-Man theme in one of those…
You’re right Brendan
Wondering if the new signals might have something to do with what might be going down in Belarus and that tactical stuff being moved there.
My favorite radio station changed a lot
Hey, did you see what happened on the buzzer on december 10th? Russia deployed more transmitters for the buzzer and spread its bandwitch to 25khz.
Great video as usual Lewis!
Reminds me of Sideband voice.
the tones @ 2:55 are eerily familiar.. creepy.. i feel i've heard them before.. i couldn't tell you where.. somewhere deep down they mean something bad..
Anyone feel like making a fake numbers station just to mess with people? 😆
4:47 if you pay attention here, a game music is playing!!
Great song, shows as 'The Planet is Fine' by George Carlin in NYC. One of the greatest hits for sure.
If played all together on different speakers with known timing and type could they be combined to transfer photo data and such?
You sure it’s not Aphex Twin running some of these stations?
hHa just what i though, somone needs to samlple these tones!
Comrade is merely playing Battleship with a distant opponent. Receive the command!
Thanks for the video. I just hope this isn't going to spell the the Russian version of the :Earth Shattering Kaboom"
Have a nice week.
I am still kinda thinking that it's a pirate. Some of the messages were copies from years back transmitted by The Buzzer. Tho I'm not 100% on that.
Spamming them with pacman is a quality troll.
Taken me a minute to recognize Pacman.
there was some pacman sounds going on
that's missile command. doing a dril.. the syncopy of the beeping is the same as rocket launch warning... then come the codes... which means the original is the deadhand system.. not sure about the polyphonic...
I was thinking. how did you find this out? are you listening 24/7 to that frequenties?
I would suspect by recording it 24/7 and then have some kind of software take snippets of potentially interesting audio waveform activity.
Could they be creating wardencliffe? It sounded like tesla coil buzzing in the beginning
Sounds like a data signal or more specifically a digital data signal.
it sounds like the intro music to Pac man videogame in the background of the buzzer portion played at 4:30 and on.
Maybe is some sort of radar with transceiver in middle of big field receivers around. And weird message is sours of all freqvencies for detection thing in field
The scale that modern stuff goes up and gets more and more fragile along the way is scary.
Great video, Lewis. The signal now sounds a bit like S30 The Squeaky Wheel. I copied it a few days ago. 73, Clint
It does Clint! Do you ever hear HM01 over your end?
@@RingwayManchester Hi Lewis, I copied HM01 on 9065 a few weeks ago - I'll be posting a video on that one shortly. 73!
Nice! It seems to be morning here in the uk which makes sense, I’ve been listening late at night
Old russian systems are being recommisioned as russia is running out of resources they have to use older and older tech, old nav systems and whatever use such systems and most probably these stations are required for them
@@Igor-sf1vb Its a plausible Theory. Go on please... State your reasons.
@@claymentv2199 There is zero indications or evidence Russia is running out of resources, quite the opposite actually.
@@claymentv2199 A modern technology which can be jammed, vs an older technology which cannot be jammed. Which one would you pick. Even if i had millions of missiles lying around, i would prefer the later.
it's Sputnik. the new beep is almost identical to Ma Bell PNW Bell out-of-order tri-tone. Buzzer is listening to you an trying to get into your head.
2nd part of voice is a list of numbers
At moments, it sounds like a 6yr old me trying to play stylophone for the first time
Buzzer is an excellent media to broadcast current ciphering at each moment.
The translation would be how @peter-iq9yy said:
"Hawk-31, here's Poplar-38,
Hawk-31, here's Poplar-38.
Receive Command: 462596,
Over"
According to general radio protocol, the transmission in the video begins in the middle of the message. The callout for the receiver and naming of the sender should be the first section, before the message itself.
Just a general hint on the callsigns used there, (although I might be completely wrong) is that the Poplar (Topol) would be a radio based on the ground, hence the "tree" naming, and Hawk (Yastreb) would be a flying unit.
In Russian it would be:
"Ястреб 31, я Тополь 48
Ястреб 31, я Тополь 48
Принимай команду: 462596
Прием"
So would it be ludicrous to wonder if vocal instructions are present all the time hidden with the buzzer and on the day that those were received were heard because the “mixing equipment” failed/drunk or more likely the hamski radioski dude is just turning up the weird.
Erm. Pacman intro music after Lewis stops speaking at 4.32 ?
Original
Принимай команду 462596 462596 прием
Ястреб 31 я Тополь 48, Ястреб 31 я Тополь 48, принимай команду 462596 462596 прием
Transcription
Prinimay comandu 462596 462596 priyom
Yastreb 31 ya Topol' 48, Yastreb 31 ya Topol' 48, Prinimay comandu 462596 462596 priyom
Translation
Receive command 462596 462596 over
Hawk 31, I am Poplar 48, Hawk 31, I am Poplar 48, Receive command 462596 462596 over
It is a go code to do something I feel. TY for translation! ❤
462596 That cannot be a coincidence!
Maybe some kind of status code of the buzzer? Aka 4625 (Status) 96?
Edit: OHVAT-98 exists. is the buzzer maybe 96 in the row?
What special significance does "462596" have? I tried Googling it, but I can't see anything related to military hardware / callsigns etc.
96 is maybe a call out to a certain channel encoded within signal. People have long suspected there are subtle timing differences that allow for different data channels and information WITHIN the seemingly simple broadcast.
@@roelbrook7559 The Callsign of The Buzzer (The Original not the new one) is 4625. They are transmitting "Command 462596.". This makes it clearly related.
@@Igor-sf1vb Interesting. Ohvat-98 is actually a callsign used by a Military related station. You usually hear The Goose call Ohvat-98.
4625 is also a common jazz chord progression
Think I oughta sample that audio at 1:30 - 1:45 and loop it for a rhythm track.
Wow they are bringing back Soviet Koran! I wonder how many soldiers can actually use the gear. Because I can’t imagine it’s that many
It's strange that, just now when Ukraine started their counter offense, this change is happening. The three tones sounds like they are probing for incoming transmissions.
First message in the video ended up with "receiving" message. Which is unusual for number stations
Does seem to coincide with the start of Ukraine's new offensive. Connection to blowing the Kakhovka Dam?
This frequency is jammed by Ukrainians very often
that alpha at 4:15 sure looks like it damaged the trees .... top down wiew...kinda like the bomb exploded at the station
I heard stories from my dad,who was a commander of air defence radar station,how all the tree tops on the level of radar station became rooten and died...😮
maybe similar effect is seen here IdK coz I am not an expert...😂
Those are numbers in Russian.
As a catastrophist, could this be a guidance system which, although kind of analogue, is less susceptible to a cyber type attack. Could be used for older soviet union ICBMS. Let's be fair if you are going to nuke a foreign city missing the target by a kilometer or 2 is a direct hit.
The star navigation renders radio useless as radio can be blocked and jammed. I feel it is another data channel relying on subtle timing differences.
ICBMs aren't guided by radio - that will ALL go to shit in the first EMP. Any radio navigation is also easy to jam. They're inertia guided. 2km off will not hurt a hard target.
The reliability isn't the best.
Can't get a radio signal to an icbm on re-entry, same with returning spacecraft.
@@Iamthelolrus The reentry vehicles don't have receivers anyway. At that point it's all freefall.
Lewis many thanks for the new video very interesting👍
4:33 Definitely Pac-Man music
PACMAN arcade music at 4:33....
sneaky russians
If it was Alpha it would make sense to have a backup in case satellites were to become dark for whatever reason. Is that the way navigation used to work before satellites?
The signal is part of a dead hand style defense network. The voice over was the equivalent of US nuclear attack options readiness testing.
No it isn’t
Would be kinda odd if you were the only person on earth knowing about this, because its false.