Hiyoko Saionji: How Danganronpa Wasted An Amazing Character (CHARACTER ANALYSIS)
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- Опубліковано 8 чер 2024
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Hiyoko really said "I don't want to die a meaningless death!" then died a meaningless death. queen shit or something
Hiyoko essays in 2024 we are so back
A rika fan un 2024, we are indeed back
We are so back
Hiyoko is probably my favorite character in all of fiction, and analyzing her character lead me to the same conclusions you reached in part 1
One of the most interesting things in my opinions is that Hiyoko and Mikan are two sides of the same coin: both were heavily bullied in their childhood but grew up from it in completely different ways. Hiyoko started to be scared of getting attached, because it could end up hurting her, so in an attempt to prevent that from happening, she sabotages any relationship she could have and pushes people away as much as she can. On the contrary, it seems as if mikan enjoys the attention she gets from her bullies, as it's the only form of love she has been shown. She purposefully initiates opportunities to get bullied because either people would jump on the occasion and give her attention or pity her and give her attention. She's a winner in either case, but still complains about being bullied. I think that's what pisses off hiyoko the most about her: while hiyoko became "strong" by pushing everyone away, mikan intentionally is "weak" by calling everyone in to bully her. Hiyoko probably just does not understand why someone would refuse to grow stronger and hates her for that, because she's the opposite of everything she's worked for, and it WORKS. Mikan IS beloved. A weak person who refuses to grow stronger has more positive bonds than hiyoko ever had, and she cannot understand how or why.
In conclusion I like hiyoko and mikan because both of them are literally me fr fr
Nice analysis for them! Also, if you identify with Hiyoko and Mikan…I’m sorry.
In my opinion, the best substitute for Hiyoko’s death would have been… no one. Just don’t have a second victim. Make it just Ibuki. Sure the first game started the third trial-double victim trend, but it was the second game that made it a trend. There’s no reason they could’ve just, not done that. If there’s just one victim, then DR2 can just end up with 6 survivors like the first game. I think that’s the best solution.
Sonia
@@elise6894 Absolutely Sonia. Her dying could've made Kazuichi.. compelling. And she does lack any real growth
One thing I enjoy about fanmade danganronpa games is that they're able to flesh out characters that are similar to someone from the canon games. Two characters I've seen specifically compared to Hiyoko are Arei Nageishi from Danganronpa Despair Time and Hibiki Otonokoji from Super Danganronpa Another 2. I don't really want to spoil too much in case anyone reading this is interested in watching DRDT or SDRA2, but I do want to say that I enjoyed how, despite the fact that they both had similar personalities to Hiyoko, they both had different backstories as to why they act that way. Arei's backstory is probably still somewhat comparable to Hiyoko's, but different nonetheless. It's still disappointing to see how Hiyokos character was mishandled, but it's also interesting to see how danganronpa fans are able to write similar characters and give them the redemption we never got from Hiyoko.
I'm kind of mixed on Hiyoko but I absolutely adore Arei and Hibiki. Best girls
LETS GO FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SAYING THE TRUTH
dont u dare to compare the kind and funny hifumi to that terutero dude again my guy 💀💀💀 (amazing video otherwise I rly like Hiyoko as well)
FRRRR I love Hifumi so much. Seeing him compared to Teruteru makes me sad 😭
THE ALPHA AND THE OMEGA
OMG MORE HIFUMI LOVE
Dawg hifumi is NOWHERE, near kind and funny
@@Greyk17what’s wrong with teruteru 😞
Dude this analysis DEFINITELY increased my love for Hiyoko, she was pretty far down on my list initially, but eventually climbed the ranks over time. Now I can definitely say Hiyoko is higher than half all of the other characters for me now. I agree she couldve been handled a lot better, but youve showed a lot of reason behind why you love her, and it's so nice to see. Absolutely well done and amazingly crafted video! Your editing is super nice and the research youve made is outstanding and helps all of your points you make, Awesome work dude! I cant wait to see more! :D
i think her being portrayed as a child more than a teenager is very telling, she never had the chance to grow up and become better (even in the story, which i mean, you could probably say makes her even more tragic as a character in a way)
As an avid Hiyoko hater, after watching this, I must say... Perhaps I have judged Hiyoko too harshly. Well done sir, your video has accomplished its goal. *Round of applause*
hiyoko is also my favorite character in the franchise and it was really nice to hear someone else talk about it and you definitely explained it perfectly! i’m still so upset over her death and the mishandling of her character arc, but like you said, maybe that’s the point. the point of the game is to make you feel despair, and at least for me that point definitely got across. it does make me a bit sad though that we have plenty of other mean and possibly irredeemable characters who are held in much higher regard than hiyoko, but in a way that makes me love her more.
One thing I do disagree on is that Sonia didn’t do much. When the group dwindles, she becomes the “heart” of the group, the one that feels the most and you can see that in her rebuttal showdown with Hajime in chapter 5, as well as her growing despair at the reveal of the killer in chapter 4. She may not have had as bombastic of a character moment as some of the others do, but she was essential for the emotion of the group, in my opinion.
(spoilers for Danganronpa: V3)
This is kind of my two cents on the entire Angie also being killed off in a spur of the moment, but I actually think it kind of makes sense? as Angie throughout the entire story operates almost purely on fact/logic (yes she does manipulate others via love-bombing but think in the class trials I mean it was her to point out in ch2 that Himiko could possibly be the killer). And I think that this works because of who the other victim is, Tenko someone who thinks only with her own emotion (i.e "Himiko can't be the killer cos uhhh lesbian!") and I think its a very interesting narrative choice to have Tenko someone whose actions are dictated purely by her own emotion be killed in a pre-meditated logistical murder, whilst Angie someone who only ever thought by using logic was killed just because Korekiyo wanted to do a "silly little teehee murder" (which one could argue was done more-so out of emotion than logic seeing as his cover-up job is barely decent at best) pretty much I think that the way they go out is so interesting because it is the polar opposite of well who Tenko and Angie were as people, I am also aware that especially Angie is very much disliked (as stated in the video) but honestly I feel like most of the dislike is unwarranted or for stupid reasons, yes Angie is not a perfect person but she is also (to my recollection) THE ONLY STUDENT in the entire franchise to attempt to stop the killing game (and yes ik that Celeste in the 1st game did try to implement some rules and stuff but she also lied about Taka physically attacking her, and killed 2 people, so clearly she isnt really the best other example for that, compared to Angie who yet again is not winning the person of the year award, but Angie is nowhere near as scummy as someone like Celeste, yes Angie is a liar, yes Angie might through people under the bus, but all of it comes from a most likely well intentioned place with her using her logic to get to point x but not understading that with the lack of emotion that reaching point x may hurt someone along the way, if that makes sense, I honestly did not realise how much I have to say on Angie)
HIYOKO TRUTHER SINCE THE START !! This was great, love seeing people give more light to her character and potential
With peko I went out of my way to focus on free time and in one of peko’s free times she mentioned that hiyoko told her to use her fingers to spread out her mouth and say i was born on a pirate ship so I honestly doubt anyone is safe
i did not like hiyoko at all during the main story but my affection increased for her greatly after doing her free time events in one of the extra modes, i could tell there was a lot of depth there just not visible through the main story. i am now a hiyoko truther. i am so glad someone else is spreading the good word of hiyoko
Something i would like to point out is how most hated characters are because of where they die in the story and how the good in them is usually outweighed or just flat out ignored by the bad, either a generally annoying personality or one bad action in an unsound mental state causes them to get overwhelming hate [sayaka.]
Since im gonna be voicing a character in a fangan who may end up in that situation i just want to lay out my anxiety over the reception of the character, i dont want him to be overshadowed by hatredz so if you see vissarion, the ultimate clockmaker, please dont go feral on the guy.
I'm...conflicted about Sonia dying in Hiyoko's place. On paper it makes sense, she's pretty underultilized and barely gets any character development. But doing it without changing the story turns her into a prop that dies for the sake of other characters. I would only be cool with Sonia dying in chapter 3 if she got something that improves HER character before hand, otherwise it feels like she gets fridged.
Ibuki had no development, so because you ignore that, I think you're biased
@@RockMann960 No, because people don't try to "fix" the story by killing her off without development. Killing off Sonia instead of Hiyoko is such a common idea for rewrites, but no one ever tries to make Sonia a better character before she'd died. They also only talk about how her death would benefit other characters, which adds to the fridging feeling.
i mean if dangaropa didnt make 2 victims always in their games at chp3,they could've just made sonia and nekomaru die as victims in chp4
@@kiwikarp9509because the point is, we have SEEN sonia as a survivor and it amounts to nothing. whereas her death would amount to not only further hiyoko development but also kazuichi growth, further solidifying him as a survivor as well, giving all actual survivors a level of growth, unlike the original
@@starshinsmile What. About. SONIA. I've told you multiple times that my problem with her being fridged, not killed off. She should be treated as a character, not a prop that only exists to further someone else's development.
this is very well made, i like hiyoko and wish that she had gotten ot more character development
Got recommended this even though it's been yearrsss since I've played danganronpa; and yess!! Hiyoko was my favorite character as a kid, I really wish she had more time to develop, at least she contributed to the last case even though she wasn’t there for it
Ooh I was so glad to find this, as someone whose favorite character in the game is Hiyoko (with her being number 2 across the entire franchise).
i adore hiyoko and im really sad that there are so many missed opperstunities
This was very good work, good job.
Hiyoko is super up in my ranks, I adore her and they gave her the Taka treatment to a T
Finally, a fellow Hiyoko stan
P.s: I noticed that some character sprites have a messy looking white border on them. If you end up making more Danganronpa videos, you should know that you can find good quality sprites on Fandom. Then again, maybe you left it in to help them stand out.
And alll because of a mistake by Kodaka.
28:58 I have no idea if the audio cut off was intentional or not but I thought I might as well point it out in case you missed it
on my most recent playthrough of sdr2, i found myself liking hiyoko a lot. it's pretty clear to me that she's like taking the killing game seriously. sdr2 is a cast chock-full of fit people, and it sucks that the stress of it all might've even made hiyoko lash out more than she otherwise would but like... i don't blame her at all. also, yugioh's pretty rad so i'll definitely be checking your other vids out. and have a cool one out there, too.
I feel like this vid made me appreciate Hiyoko more tbh- This is a great analysis video yo 🗣‼️
That’s a sad backstory but there’s like a way worse like the ultimate bodyguard the ultimate drug maker I can’t remember their names but the ultimate drug maker straight up, could not eat candy and their friend only can make sweets to the point they hated each other N eating that candy would kill her like I feel like that’s worse 11:55
You mean seiko also she's the ultimate pharmacologist
8:33 I’m a mahiru defender and from her not standing up isn’t excused but others do the same Because they all don’t know how to react (except peko). Also mahiru does defend mikan against Hiyoko but it’s only slightly showed in the twilight syndrome game by saying something along the lines of “hey! Cut it out”
2:30 hiyoko was originally supposed to live instead of fuyuhiko but they thought that fuyuhiko dying in chapter 3 would ruin peko sacrifice. Idk if you knew that or being it up later in the video but I only watched that far and wanted to spread the knowledge
Hiyoko is underrated! Awesome analysis!
Yeah, she was still in an anime that took place before the game so there’s no excuse at a certain point
The social link rank up sound at the beginning means this gonna be a good watch
26:30 I thought Sonia was a red-herring for most murders
Honestly this video won me over on her to some degree, so you Achieved your goal with one person.
I really do wish Hiyoko was able to survive, she's one of my favorite characters and imo one of the worst treated characters of the trilogy who had the greatest potential. She reminds me of a Himiko a bit, I imagine she would've had a similar late game arc to her...though possibly would've been a bit more popular. I guess Himiko surviving and getting a full arc is reparations for Hiyoko being snubbed lol? Had she survived, Hiyoko could've had some fun and more deeper dynamics with Fuyuhiko as well as being a parallel to him. The two short people with babyfaces telling everyone how it is would've been so much more funnier than anything Sonia or Kazuichi said. Plus, it would've been nice and added more to Fuyuhiko if he helped Hiyoko change her ways when she fell down or to help her grieve Mahiru as he would've been the only one to fully understand what she'd be going through.
I want to say what I would've preferred if Hiyoko were to survive. Some of what I'm going to say is an original thought though some isn't. Chapter 3 would only kill Ibuki and Mikan. This is my own original idea. I think it would be beneficial to simplify that chapters case as it's just a bad chapter, though this is really just a band aid. Hiyoko survives and progresses her development, befriending Fuyuhiko in this chapter. She's remorseful of her bullying and starts to befriend some of the cast, though very slowly. I would like to have a scene where she apologizes to Kazuichi, Sonia, and Akane at the end of chapter 3, and then to others before the killings start in chapter 4. I would have chapter 4 still take place in the fun house, but here would be where the double murder takes place.
I'd kill off Sonia and Nekomaru (unoriginal idea) and have Kazuichi be their killer (my idea). I do remember hearing about this chapter 4 double kill on twitter or maybe here on youtube briefly. Someone else said that Sonia would've woken up early and went to the chamber where Nekomaru was hanging upside down, and as she went to the center of the room Nekomaru would fall onto her, killing her instantly. Now for my idea as Kazuichi being the killer of chapter 4 is a bit different than the original posters idea, they kept Gundam as the killer. The characters being locked inside the funhouse with no food until someone died would still be the motive. Kazuichi being a killer is a bit unlikely as he wouldn't sacrifice the others to escape, but here's how I would write him to be one. Thinking he could save everyone and avoid being the blackened, he chose to kill Nekomaru only seeing him as a robot and thinking he'd be a loophole. Nekomaru could easily overpower him and might even kill Kazuichi if he failed, so he chose to knock him out upon entering the chamber. I believe Kazuichi would be too cowardly to kill Nekomaru with his own hands so that's where he'd be tied to the pillar again like how Gundam tied him. Due to his ultimate talent, Kazuichi was familiar with the mechanisms of the funhouse and used it to his advantage. However, he never thought Sonia would be killed as well. I feel bad for killing off Sonia here as I do like her and enjoy her character, but I think it's the best choice for drama story and multiple characters, there's just too much payoff if she died here by Kazuichi. When discovering the bodies Kazuichi would be filled with despair. After hearing Monokuma say there will be a class trial the only thing he can cling to is his own life, he's too scared to die and his mind is broken from the events, so he goes into survival mode. He hides himself as the killer until he breaks down during the class trial. Sonia's death would have Gundam be vulnerable expressing many emotions during the investigation and trial. I also think it would be interesting to see him and Kazuichi having a conversation as "rivals" during this where Gundam is resentful towards Kazuichi, which his hurt would soon progress into understanding but though would still hold ill feelings towards him. Gundam after this chapter would still be a bit theatrical but would be more down to earth, feeling more comfortable around the others. All of the characters do hate Monokuma and want to rebel against him but had Gundam been a survivor I feel he'd be the one who'd rebel the most in chapter 6. Hiyoko during this chapter 4 would be toned down in her personality, though it would still shine through at points. What would be her big moment this chapter would be expressing sorrow and understanding of the deaths. Hiyoko not holding the murders against Kazuichi as he was trying to help them, and then understanding why he eventually decided to hide his guiltiness taking sympathy for him. She would also feel regretful for both Sonia and Kazuichi's deaths, adding on to her development. Had they died earlier she might've not felt much, but since she was starting to change, she'd feel regretful that she treated Kazuichi so badly feeling horrible for how she bullied him and now she had to watch his death. It wouldn't be that big of a scene, but I would write Hiyoko to be regretful and sad over Sonia's death as she was her least favorite person. At the end of this chapter Hiyoko would have updated the shrine in the restaurant to include fake Byakuya, Teruteru, Mahiru, Peko, Ibuki, Mikan, Sonia, Nekomaru, and Kazuichi. This would express her guilt to the dead and after this chapter, Hiyoko would fully change her ways, being kind to the remaining characters (though would still call them out from time to time lol).
This is my scenario and what I personally think would be best for a rewritten chapter 3 and 4. Both these chapters would give Hiyoko a redemption, Kazuichi some more depth, and would give both Hiyoko and Gundam survivor placements and much more development as characters, which I think would be better options than Sonia and Kazuichi's essentially nonexistent character arcs. I actually do like Sonia and Kazuichi, but I'd rather have four chapters of them being comedic and then being catalysts to character arcs than two barely used survivors that just take up space and have minimal to do with the story. Chapter 5 and 6 would play out similarly to the game, Nagito and Chiaki dying in 5 and then chapter 6 have the survivors finding out the truth of what happened and escaping together to save the others. Just in this version every survivor would feel important. Hajime, Fuyuhiko, Akane, Hiyoko, and Gundam would all have character arcs that improved their initial characters from chapter 1 and would all have a character that they'd be surviving for. Which save for Hajime, would also be surviving to save that character from the coma that the "dead" characters were in (you can argue Hajime is surviving to save fake Byakuya, Teruteru, Ibuki, Mikan, Kazuichi, and or Nagito, but I'm not lol). Anyways sorry for this long ass rant, I've been thinking about what a Danganronpa 2 with a survivor Hiyoko would be like since early 2017 and have recently been getting back into Danganronpa so I just wanted to put all these thoughts somewhere ijbol😭😭😭😭
Hiyoko is interesting to me because like, while on paper I don't dislike her, I just find her dialogue unpleasant to parse through? It just feels like she often goes too far, bullying not only Mikan but Kazuichi and other characters. I think she really could've used a lot of fleshing out and it's a darn shame she didn't get her chance to shine. I guess I would say I think Hiyoko is an enjoyable character in isolation but in practice I find her exhausting to get through.
Hiyoko mentioned 🗣️🔥🔥
Something that I think is something similar to Himiko in v3, something like that, maybe I would even say that Hiyoko would be more interested in solving Sonia's case than Ibuki's, not because she hates Hibuki, but rather Because she feels completely responsible for Sonia's death, after that she actively wants to solve the case so she knows who to vote for, maybe even saying that Mikan would have targeted her.If it weren't for the fact that Sonia appeared to give more madness to Mikan and more surprise to Hiyoko, that she could have been in Sonia's place.
Something like
Hiyoko:Then...who did it?,who kills ms sonia
Talking respectfully about her and not calling her names, not even insulting anyone except the person responsible for the crime.
I’m so glad himiko didn’t die in v3, it was so nice seeing her survive
I love hiyoko
I would actually really like to see the video about the amazing character. I know it was mostly just a joke in order to talk about this chick but you know.
Plus hiyoko would’ve had a reaction seeing the picture of herself in the last case
Idk who you are but im ready for a video about a character the only thing i remember is that she ate ants and im fairly sure thats a false memory
HIYOKO JUSTICE🗣️🔥🔥🔥
Hifumi has fans ?!
"amazing character" is crazy
I actually liked Angie :p so sad she died so early
Homestuck fans trying to defend eridan ampora:
(I am an eridan ampora defender)
Heartbreaking: Hiyoko is better than your fav
Hiyoko best girl fr
SO real
What about ibuki
I think Ibuki got killed off because you don’t want a ray of sunshine in a killing game. Though Ibuki is my favorite character in goodbye despair
wait ur based
She is the worst character in the entire series. You could not fix her without completely changing her character.
the WORST character is a stretch
@@cadebrad4330 In your opinion
What are you yapping abt?
Goated video i've been a Hiyoko defender for ages (she's also my favourite in the second game)