There is a great deal of doubt about fin choices in windsurfing land. Your explanation of fins will certainly be very helpful to most. For those who dare to go one step further;....... Soon there will be a movie on my DIY windsurf channel in which a fin can be reproduced in a simple way so that you can determine the layup yourself!!!! Windsurfing is fantastic, make your own stuff is even better. Let's Make Windsurfing Great !
5:28: I know that surname, bet his father is Torben which I met at Club La Santa at the Canary Islands where he worked. He sold my a slightly broken F2 Comet, which was my first board. Never could make it watertight but it gave me many "better than sex" -experiences. I'm grateful to him. I need to get back on the water (old bones or not) and are trying to catch up on the sport.
Great video, soooo much help. I’m an older windsurfer getting back into it, it’s much more complicated now with so much equipment on offer, I love tabou boards as I have a couple now. Still trying to find enough wind…..
Could you do a video on intermediate equipment and technique? I stared with 5 sessions in Portugal last fall and have now 5 days in Sweden with a 6.0+190L. No planning yet but getting some speed and balance.
👍Those slalom actions were pleasing to watch, however as the wind power seemed to be reasonably strong I thought that the slalom actions would have been performed more swiftly and and tightly. I'm looking forward to the next race actions which shall be shown as Windsurfing is a delight to watch and practice.
Thanks a lot for all these indepth and inside information, because regarding fins typically only some basic information is provided. I was always eager to learn more, but could not find it on the internet, and your video is exactly what I was searching for. I wish you all the best for your races and please continue with these videos. I am interested especially in the high-level racing technical details.
Great video, some really good information and great to hear what your using for your boards. Where can I find that type of tree that grows carbon fins? 😂
I have a formula board, but it isn’t working at the beach. The fin is big and I can’t water start. I feel I need another type of board, but I don’t know which one. Would you make a video about that? 😬
I am in the process of purchasing my first carbon slalom fin and this video is very helpful. I am a lightweight windsurfer at 63-64kg. What size and softness carbon fin do you recommend with an 8.6 + 129 Falcon TE (80cm width) combo? This is my biggest, light wind setup.
Another great video! Is it true that different board brands work better with different fin brands and sizes? I use fanatic falcons, do you see what guys are using on these boards? Thanks!!
Great Video, couple of quick questions 1- What is the rake you use for flat water (like Alacati) 2- Do you change your fins with respect to gusts (bigger fins for gusty conditions ?) 3- Does chopper fins performance for upwind are as good as downwind (?) I am planning to buy a new fin to use with my jp slalom 71 for (7.0 NP evo) I use F-hot 39 for (NP 7.8 evo but I think it is a cm long, maybe I should change this fin as well), I am 89 kg, couldn't decide between, f-hot, z fin or as you highly mention chopper (?) What do you think, the purpose is, of course, to go as fast as I can, but the fin should perform upwind as well, Thanks in advance, keep up the good work, Cheers
Hello Nico, most helpful video, I, m wondering if you could make a tutorial about weed fins, my home spot is veluwemeer Netherlands I'm surfing on Isonic and Falcon Thanks
Great Video like always, however from my personal experience I cannot agree with the comment that carbon fins last longer than G10 fins. Maybe my Carbon fins are to cheap.
@@philliphommel9790 Ja ist mir schon klar. Das Thema Lift einer Finne ist zur Zeit mein Lieblingsthema beim Windsurfen. Es ist so, dass es keine Kraft der Finne nach oben gibt (wie z.B. bei einem Foil). Wenn man das Segel nach hinten zieht und der Lateralschwerpunkt hinter der Finne liegt, will das Board anluven. Man gleicht durch drücken der Leekante aus. Der Bug kommt auf der Luvkante aus dem Wasser. Der scheinbare Wind hebelt über den Bug das Board aus Wasser (deswegen funktioniert dieser Effekt auch nur mit breitem Bug). Das wird natürlich von Finnen mit einer guten Führung und eher vorn liegendem Druckpunkt unterstützt. Es gibt leider ein altes Missverständnis. Wenn das Profil einer Finne mit dem einer Tragfläche beim Flugzeug verglichen wird, wird beide male vom Lift gesprochen. Nur bei der Finne ist es dann die Querkraft und kein Lift nach oben. Es gibt natürlich noch den Effekt, dass die Querkraft der Finne über die Länge einen Hebel hat und so das aufkentern entsteht, welches auch die Luvkante hebt. Dieser Effekt ist aber im Resultat nicht Linear und eher unerwünscht.
Es gibt drei Effekte, die man beim Windsurfen spürt und unter Lift zusammenfassen kann. Das eine ist, dass die Nase leicht hochkommt, das 2. ist das von dir beschriebene Aufkentern und das 3. wie "hoch" das board über den Chop fliegt. Hier ist es wichtig eine Harmonie aus allem zu Finden, denn die Nase muss hochkommen aber darf nicht zu leicht "abfliegen". Leichtes anheben der Luvkante ist wichtig, aber es darf auch nicht zu viel sein usw. Ich denke, das zeigt uns mal wieder, dass das was nach physischen Regeln schnell sein müsste, in der Realität beim Windsurfen nicht immer das schnellere ist.
@@Nico_GER7 Danke für die Superantwort. Allerdings glaube ich, dass wenn wir die beim Windsurfen komplexen vielschichtigen physikalischen Effekte richtig verstehen würden, noch viel zu holen wäre. Insbesondere für die Breite (makeWindsurfingGreatAgain) aber auch für Euch Pros. Ich hatte Kontakt zu Finnenherstellern und war erschüttert über deren fehlerhaftes Wissen. Das eine ist die Entwicklung über try and error und das andere über Verständnis.
Do you use 71 - 74 cm boards with 8.4-8,6 sails? If yes what size of fin do you use? Some local pros told me that the perfect size fin for a 71cm board and a 8.6 sail is 38cm but it sound like a little bit small to me
Hi Nico! Thanks for this very informative video! I have got one question, moving from a g10 to a carbon fin, would you advise me to keep the same fin size or go smaller? Let's say I have a slalom fin of 40cm in g10, if I decide to buy a carbon fin, should it also be a 40cm or one size smaller? Thanks in advance for your help!
weed 1 Hurricane 34, Carbon.....it met stone on the tip and on the leading edge.... soon will have a Gasoil CHR Max weed rake. Also have a set of Deboichet Custom SL2 for non weed conditions. Also have a Lessacher duo. Board 112l CA 2009 , 70cm, 7,8-5,8 free race sails - hobby windsurfer...non competition. All bought second/third hand, except the Gasoil being made now.
I use C-fins, did you ever try those? Your opinion? There, different models may feel very different, even with same length. Are there similar differences for the fin brands you use? Do they have several models? Friends of mine use Winheller a lot, one guy uses Sonntag. But we don't compete in Regattas ;). Gute Arbeit, weiter so!
I did try C-Fins at some point and didn't like them so much. I don't know wether they changed ever since, but back when I tried them I found the tip to big making them not release very well. Most fin brands have several models with different stiffnesses.
I haven't tried them myself but I have never seen a professional using them.I do use kind if custom fins. I've tested a lot of fins with Ludo from Chopper Fins and go with what works best with me and not always the latest model they put in production.
Aahhh how life has moved on. For all you youthful speed and slalom racers on current tech try getting your hands on a vintage Windsurfer Regatta... Nearly 40 years ago their fins were nylon, not even polycarbonate or glass. You could bend it sideways with your little finger. The biggest upgrade in 1980 was going from a wooden boom to an aluminium boom. Those truly were great days before the cheque book windsurfing that began in about 1984 and culminated in the near demise of the sport around 1989 and for the next decade when the designers and manufacturers threw out anything that was able to be sailed by beginners in the drive for speed, stiffness and MONEY.....
I am writing to You about fins. I am looking for something special for DefiWind. I have participated once and will go again. I have two Patrik F-race boards, 100l - 60cm and 120l - 70cm. Also, I have GA Slalom sails 5.6 - 6.4 - 7.1 and some freeride sails from 4.0 to 7.0. My weight is 100 kg. What are Your suggestions about all that? I am not very experienced in all these \"underwater\" things, but ... here we are. Thank You (anyway) Vilnis Baltins LAT-96
Can someone list a few of the best fin brands out there please (off the shelf, not custom made)?
Select?
@@petrcech481 Seems one of the better ones. Do you think they are the best?
Select V Max
Ms-fins, chopper fins, finish fins, Z-fins, winheller
@@petrcech481 select issnt good
There is a great deal of doubt about fin choices in windsurfing land. Your explanation of fins will certainly be very helpful to most. For those who dare to go one step further;....... Soon there will be a movie on my DIY windsurf channel in which a fin can be reproduced in a simple way so that you can determine the layup yourself!!!!
Windsurfing is fantastic, make your own stuff is even better. Let's Make Windsurfing Great !
*again
Very informative, good advice! It is mind blowing to see many pros saying that G10 fins are still good in strong wind/smaller boards
I'm just a bump and jump glass fin rider and i enjoyed watching this! Nice edit. Looking forward to more.
Good to hear :-)
Thanx Man. 🙏🙏🙏👏👏👏 I also liked your putting other professional guys' comments. Keep up the good work. 😎🤙
My pleasure! :-)
5:28: I know that surname, bet his father is Torben which I met at Club La Santa at the Canary Islands where he worked. He sold my a slightly broken F2 Comet, which was my first board. Never could make it watertight but it gave me many "better than sex" -experiences. I'm grateful to him. I need to get back on the water (old bones or not) and are trying to catch up on the sport.
yeah! that's his father exactly :-)
Great video, soooo much help. I’m an older windsurfer getting back into it, it’s much more complicated now with so much equipment on offer, I love tabou boards as I have a couple now. Still trying to find enough wind…..
Could you do a video on intermediate equipment and technique? I stared with 5 sessions in Portugal last fall and have now 5 days in Sweden with a 6.0+190L. No planning yet but getting some speed and balance.
Great video!! That's helping me a lot🤙🤙
I learn a lot of your opinions! 😊😎👌
👍Those slalom actions were pleasing to watch, however as the wind power seemed to be reasonably strong I thought that the slalom actions would have been performed more swiftly and and tightly.
I'm looking forward to the next race actions which shall be shown as Windsurfing is a delight to watch and practice.
Thanks a lot for all these indepth and inside information, because regarding fins typically only some basic information is provided. I was always eager to learn more, but could not find it on the internet, and your video is exactly what I was searching for. I wish you all the best for your races and please continue with these videos. I am interested especially in the high-level racing technical details.
Great video, some really good information and great to hear what your using for your boards.
Where can I find that type of tree that grows carbon fins? 😂
Haha, it grows in France only...
Feier solche " tutorials " von dir voll 🤙👏
Very good work Nico! Bringing in the opinion from other PWA riders was cool
Thanks, Øyvind. :)
I have a formula board, but it isn’t working at the beach. The fin is big and I can’t water start. I feel I need another type of board, but I don’t know which one. Would you make a video about that? 😬
Great video, Thank you for sharing your experience.
You're welcome 🤙
4:42 freeride
9:13 fin length formula
11:41 too small
I am in the process of purchasing my first carbon slalom fin and this video is very helpful. I am a lightweight windsurfer at 63-64kg. What size and softness carbon fin do you recommend with an 8.6 + 129 Falcon TE (80cm width) combo? This is my biggest, light wind setup.
Great video...very useful indeed
Good to hear!
Very nice, again!
Thank you for the video! Very helpful!
I'm here to help 😜
Another great video! Is it true that different board brands work better with different fin brands and sizes? I use fanatic falcons, do you see what guys are using on these boards? Thanks!!
What are the most used brands fins in PWA, can you name few. Thanks keep up the good work 😎
I believe zfins are the most used. Also gps-speedsurfing.com can give you an idea of what people use to bit records
Carpenter :)
Where do you buy Carpenter fin?
As I said in the Video, they are really hard to get, just through contacts basically.
Great Video, couple of quick questions
1- What is the rake you use for flat water (like Alacati)
2- Do you change your fins with respect to gusts (bigger fins for gusty conditions ?)
3- Does chopper fins performance for upwind are as good as downwind (?) I am planning to buy a new fin to use with my jp slalom 71 for (7.0 NP evo) I use F-hot 39 for (NP 7.8 evo but I think it is a cm long, maybe I should change this fin as well), I am 89 kg, couldn't decide between, f-hot, z fin or as you highly mention chopper (?) What do you think, the purpose is, of course, to go as fast as I can, but the fin should perform upwind as well,
Thanks in advance, keep up the good work,
Cheers
That's quite a few questions. Better you text me in Instagram so I can make a voice message.
How do you clean your fins? if someone has touched it for example .i've heard touching fins with your hands causes spin out.
Yeah, I use dishwashing cleaning liquid. 😄
Hello Nico, most helpful video, I, m wondering if you could make a tutorial about weed fins, my home spot is veluwemeer Netherlands I'm surfing on Isonic and Falcon Thanks
Hi Leon, unfortunately I have no experience whatsoever with weed fins.
Great Video like always, however from my personal experience I cannot agree with the comment that carbon fins last longer than G10 fins. Maybe my Carbon fins are to cheap.
Nico if I have a freestyle wave board should I stick with a freewave fin and find the best size for me or I could try with a freeride fin?
Thanks
Sehr interessanter Beitrag. Mich würde interessieren, was mit dem Lift der Finne gemeint ist?
Wie sehr das Board aus dem Wasser gehoben wird
@@philliphommel9790 Ja ist mir schon klar. Das Thema Lift einer Finne ist zur Zeit mein Lieblingsthema beim Windsurfen. Es ist so, dass es keine Kraft der Finne nach oben gibt (wie z.B. bei einem Foil). Wenn man das Segel nach hinten zieht und der Lateralschwerpunkt hinter der Finne liegt, will das Board anluven. Man gleicht durch drücken der Leekante aus. Der Bug kommt auf der Luvkante aus dem Wasser. Der scheinbare Wind hebelt über den Bug das Board aus Wasser (deswegen funktioniert dieser Effekt auch nur mit breitem Bug). Das wird natürlich von Finnen mit einer guten Führung und eher vorn liegendem Druckpunkt unterstützt. Es gibt leider ein altes Missverständnis. Wenn das Profil einer Finne mit dem einer Tragfläche beim Flugzeug verglichen wird, wird beide male vom Lift gesprochen. Nur bei der Finne ist es dann die Querkraft und kein Lift nach oben. Es gibt natürlich noch den Effekt, dass die Querkraft der Finne über die Länge einen Hebel hat und so das aufkentern entsteht, welches auch die Luvkante hebt. Dieser Effekt ist aber im Resultat nicht Linear und eher unerwünscht.
Es gibt drei Effekte, die man beim Windsurfen spürt und unter Lift zusammenfassen kann. Das eine ist, dass die Nase leicht hochkommt, das 2. ist das von dir beschriebene Aufkentern und das 3. wie "hoch" das board über den Chop fliegt.
Hier ist es wichtig eine Harmonie aus allem zu Finden, denn die Nase muss hochkommen aber darf nicht zu leicht "abfliegen". Leichtes anheben der Luvkante ist wichtig, aber es darf auch nicht zu viel sein usw.
Ich denke, das zeigt uns mal wieder, dass das was nach physischen Regeln schnell sein müsste, in der Realität beim Windsurfen nicht immer das schnellere ist.
@@Nico_GER7 Danke für die Superantwort. Allerdings glaube ich, dass wenn wir die beim Windsurfen komplexen vielschichtigen physikalischen Effekte richtig verstehen würden, noch viel zu holen wäre. Insbesondere für die Breite (makeWindsurfingGreatAgain) aber auch für Euch Pros. Ich hatte Kontakt zu Finnenherstellern und war erschüttert über deren fehlerhaftes Wissen. Das eine ist die Entwicklung über try and error und das andere über Verständnis.
Do you use 71 - 74 cm boards with 8.4-8,6 sails? If yes what size of fin do you use? Some local pros told me that the perfect size fin for a 71cm board and a 8.6 sail is 38cm but it sound like a little bit small to me
I have a free ride board with a carbon fin would I notice if I get a glass fin?
Hi Nico! Thanks for this very informative video! I have got one question, moving from a g10 to a carbon fin, would you advise me to keep the same fin size or go smaller? Let's say I have a slalom fin of 40cm in g10, if I decide to buy a carbon fin, should it also be a 40cm or one size smaller? Thanks in advance for your help!
No it should be a size smaller :-)
Hi Nico, maybe a little bit off topic, but which kind of fins do you prefer for freestyle? :) More "fat"/ thick ore slim profile.
Unfortunately I have no clue about Freestyle fins and I would probably use the fin that comes with the board 😄
Is it ok
70 cm with board with 40 cm MFC kpr g10 fin and sail stype sl 6.6
Thanks
Nice Video
Hallo Nico, wie siehst du das mit dem Lift der Finne?
Board 135 litre wide85 sale 8.6 my body weight is 70 kg. Can you recommend me a size of Carbon Pin and G10 Pin?
I do think you delivered Nico........ ;-)
yaaay 😄🤙
how much do you whight and whats your hight? more or less
I weigh about 89kg and I'm about 190cm.
Arnon you tell all the secret :)
What fins do you use?
weed 1 Hurricane 34, Carbon.....it met stone on the tip and on the leading edge.... soon will have a Gasoil CHR Max weed rake. Also have a set of Deboichet Custom SL2 for non weed conditions. Also have a Lessacher duo. Board 112l CA 2009 , 70cm, 7,8-5,8 free race sails - hobby windsurfer...non competition. All bought second/third hand, except the Gasoil being made now.
I youse a G10 fin 👍🏻🤙🏻😀
Mainly Black Project G10 fins but after watching your video I’m keen to try a carbon....
I use C-fins, did you ever try those? Your opinion? There, different models may feel very different, even with same length. Are there similar differences for the fin brands you use? Do they have several models?
Friends of mine use Winheller a lot, one guy uses Sonntag. But we don't compete in Regattas ;).
Gute Arbeit, weiter so!
I did try C-Fins at some point and didn't like them so much. I don't know wether they changed ever since, but back when I tried them I found the tip to big making them not release very well. Most fin brands have several models with different stiffnesses.
Gibt es für die Medium Tuttle Box überhaupt Finnen von der Stange?
Gibt es schon aber ms oder vergleichbare sind deutlich besser
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Well I now youse a non carbon fin and I really lova a non carbon fin 😁
That's fine :-)
Have you tested the select fins? What do you think about them? Nice video!! :-)
F. W. I guess Nico prefer custom made fins to push up his limit a little bit further!
I haven't tried them myself but I have never seen a professional using them.I do use kind if custom fins. I've tested a lot of fins with Ludo from Chopper Fins and go with what works best with me and not always the latest model they put in production.
Aahhh how life has moved on. For all you youthful speed and slalom racers on current tech try getting your hands on a vintage Windsurfer Regatta...
Nearly 40 years ago their fins were nylon, not even polycarbonate or glass. You could bend it sideways with your little finger. The biggest upgrade in 1980 was going from a wooden boom to an aluminium boom. Those truly were great days before the cheque book windsurfing that began in about 1984 and culminated in the near demise of the sport around 1989 and for the next decade when the designers and manufacturers threw out anything that was able to be sailed by beginners in the drive for speed, stiffness and MONEY.....
Wow, nice flashback! Thanks for that
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I am writing to You about fins. I am looking for something special for DefiWind. I have participated once and will go again. I have two Patrik F-race boards, 100l - 60cm and 120l - 70cm. Also, I have GA Slalom sails 5.6 - 6.4 - 7.1 and some freeride sails from 4.0 to 7.0. My weight is 100 kg.
What are Your suggestions about all that? I am not very experienced in all these \"underwater\" things, but ... here we are.
Thank You (anyway)
Vilnis Baltins LAT-96
Excellent video, so helpfull.