Full Guide to rigging a Sail - Tips and Tricks with Ben Proffitt
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2024
- Ok.. so here it is - A Full and complete guide to rigging a NEW wave sail.
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That OCD is kicking in Benny, the downhaul rope, the wrinkle in the batten, the colour combo....I'm proud of you.
The world would surely be a much better place if not just windsurfers but everyone watched this rigging guide.
Unbelievable, I missed this video to say "Moin Ben".... I apologize! But I am happy to see that the number of subscribers is rising. It seems some guys from Poland clicked the right button 😉 dziękuję barzo
that boom height difference was crazy. I did NOT know, so thanks a lot!
Love your videos so much👌 Thanks for the tips! After 13 years on kite, now I rediscovered my love for windsurfing. Nothing like it ❤️
All the best from Denmark!
I'd love to see the same rigging vid for Duotone. Ben, this was awesome, and I am that old-school windsurfer who slammed on loads of downhaul!
Who else has watched this video several times over the last few months for the extension rigging instructions🤣
Hey Ben, that’s a good idea, let every brand and person show the best rig for the new sails! 💪🏻
I love that idea. At least, to make it a little easier, let them present brand specific settings, measures, concepts… each of them has their own „patents”!
@Ben, what would you say?
Thanks from Puerto Rico, for the video! It helped me a lot with a simmer sail I bought recently! 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼
Great tips, Ben! Can you make a guide for the Simmer V-Max, please???
+1 for color-coordination. Essential.
Actually, I wish more boards were simply white, so sail and board will always fit.
Great video. Especially the boom effect on the outhaul and the start upwind. I would love to see a video on the rigging of a Severne mach sail with extra attention for the downhaul because the Severne sails have no marking like some other brands do
Great staff Ben, keep it up 🤙 On the next one, maybe you can mention what happens to the performance - behaviour of the sail, if the top - vario top or the extension, is slightly twisted.
Love these one cam one take shows ❤
Some things I've noted:
- Add 2cm on boom length if boom is default SDM (like older Simmer Blackline)
- Some mastbase is -2 cm
- More wind -> more outhaul (on Blacktip 2019 as I have)
- so, sometimes I rig +6 outhaul!
I like the rope trick, should remember that.
Hello Ben, awesome idea with the guide.👍🏼🤙🏽
I would love a Goya Banzai or Fringe guide for the latest models.
I ride the Goya Sails with a Severne Metal Wave boom and Goya extension and masts.
When the sails are loading up with power they are extremely touching the boom.
I‘m not sure I think the Goya booms are wider but the support guy from Goya told me there is no problem with riding it with a Severne boom.
I tried several settings. It still touches if I crank up the outhall extremely :(
Thanks for the help guys 🤙🏽
Nice! 40 years sailing and I’ve been rigging wrong! Thanks!
That was really helpful. Thanks!
Fantastic! Some really good tips.
Whoa, loop loop go on the boom? I have recently restarted windsurfing after 20 years off the water and both my new booms have that system, but I didn't realize how to use it and was still threading my rope each time! Thanks Ben
Really helpful video - thanks Ben 👍
Nice one Ben. That explanation is just what we have needed.
Great vid, super interested in learning better tuning thanks Ben 🤙🏼
The challenge for novice sailors like me is that the two most important settings- downhall and outhall are based on feel. As a beginner you don’t know what to feel for. For downhall you mentioned seeing the 2nd batten pull away from the mast. But how much? Similarly the outhall we feel for tension in the sail, again how much tension is right?
I think you have to have a lot of sailing hours behind you to know when your sail feels right.
My plan is to make another video about this..
Two fingers plus or less
tas a rule of thumb I would say never have your sail not touch the boom on the water. This creates a stable sail and every sail is different, for downhaul if your sails does not have dots on the top to downhaul the loose leach to, see if they have a rigging video online to see how loose they are rigged. @@eolof7
Great stuff 🤙very good explanation. I’ll keep,an eye on my downhaul pulleys from now on 😂, thank you 🤙🤙🤙
ohhh thanks!!! Great Job!!!!
Thank you Ben for this very informative rigging guide. So much more helpful than most of the sail brands rigging guides. Learnt some new tricks as well. The aspect of boom height impact on the outhaul is really important. As a tall rider with a higher boom i usually put +2cm on the recommended settings. Cheers!
thanks this is a very useful video. people tend to provide different truths about this topic and it's hard to get it right with every new sail or brand you get to try. also nice memories of beautiful martinhal beach :-)
Awesome guide. Sails is a beauty too. Guide for foil racing sails would be nice too.
Great stuff, Ben. Even this old dog learned something.
NP base you can stuff the excess downhall up inside the mast.
Hi Ben super video really interesting, it would have been perfect to show some detail of the downhall to show the pulley distance depending weather. I always wondering if the manufacturer spec for extension if we do pulley again pulley especially on cam sail is the max wind setting and from there more you release more you are on lighter wind? In term of brand i would love to have a video with loftsails designer Monty Spindler
I m an old style windsurfer my god I realized when writing 36 years and still enjoying but i noticed the length of your harness lines comparing to mine 😮😮😮 I need to try it
I measured my extension as was disappointed 🤣🤣🤣, I always worry that down haul rope is going to ping when sailing so I know there’s a pocket if sailing modern kit but always rap and tie around base if extension, enjoyed watching, sending it 🤩🤩🤩🤩
Thanks Ben that was indeed welcomed (nice sail also), would you then do a quantex trimm video as well pls? Like fins’ set up and so on….cheerse 🤙🏻💙🤙🏻
"Beach Police" ow yeah! That is 1 on 1 me ;-) educating folks, even if they kick, scream or come after me with a Chinook extension, YOU MUST HAVE the downhaul ropes aligned!
Ben, great tips. Feeding the mast sleeve upwind to avoid flogging makes sense. Nice tip on stowing excess downhaul line. Severne rigging tips (5 batten( would be helpful. Many thanks!
J'adore l'humour british, great to watch and funny to listen :) nice video.
Nice video ! Does the older Blacktips (2017-2019) need a little more downhaul tension ? Also, I think a good tip for the outhaul tension could be by checking how far the batten end (above the boom) goes behind the mast (?)
I'd stay up to 2017 could need more, from 2018 less. I have 2019 bt line and use sometime -2 downhaul, mastfoot dependant
Great stuff. I have problems tuning my Severne S-1s in th larger sizes (4.8 and 5.2). The smaller ones work like a charm, but I just can't seem to getnthe larger ones right (i use original Severne red masts). I would love to see an S-1 rider explaining how to rig the sails.
Good work, started windsurfing on Mountfield sails, yes Hayling, moved onto North sails, kept with them until they stopped making 5 batten sails, so now on simmer icon and Enduro with a couple of v max, I started shaking when you said 4 batten, but will let you off as it’s only on small ones, …….. I and many others like 5 battens, interestingly north/Duotone lost my business due to not listening to shop owners and customers, guess what the Duke is back…. To late I’m now Simmer style
05:04 . Can everyone please watch that twice - thank you. If I was given a dollar for every time someone is struggling and then the first sentence is, "But it says I must do this."
The downhaul rope trick is nifty. I'm probably more OCD than you and wrap the line around the extension and then half hitch it several times. Never had an issue.
Excellent video, watched till the end 😁 #member #areyoubringingacaptocapetownthisyear
@@scootertws ok Thomas 😆 No need to troll here too.
When you push in the sail you are simulating the wind preasure and how the sail will work in reference to the boom. I have always done it and when i push and it has the correct separation from the boom, it right. 😊😊 It would have been nice if the camera got closer to the rig when you showed the rope bit.
Nice tips, Ben. Id' like to share I always set up the boom around armpit height, no matter conditions, and use 32-33'' harness lines (waist harness). I find these two settings, boom height and the size of harness lines, affect our sailing position (early planning, rig control, comfort, etc). Oldschool windsurfers tend to use short harness lines from what I see. What's your take on that?
muchos gracias, amigo 🍩
awesome!
Hey Ben,
Great video on sail rigging.
On another note, are you still sailing the Flywave? I love that board. But I also noticed that you are now sailing the whip?
And finally, how do you like the new Quantex compared to the Flywave?
Thanks.
Keep up the great work with this channel!
Cheers,
Greg, from the SF bay in California
I remember trying to place a bounty bar in the rope pocket when I was younger! It endend smashed! :P Thanks Ben; usefull video!
Great Ben
I want to see Lucas do one on the Duotone! Maybe him and Mark together?
Seems like this sail has the clew at about 1/4 of the boom cut out (from the bottom) - so this is the place where you will have max outhaul tension for a set boom length. Moving the boom up or down from that position will only reduce the outhaul. The clew height position varies quite a bit between brands a models, it would be actually nice if the brands marked a position on the boom cutout at which the spec measurement was made.
For checking the outhaul tension - do you ever push on close by the mast to see how much belly it gets when filled in instead of pushing around the boom clips? For me that's a better indicator for most brands while the key point remains the same, you don't want the profile to be too flat.
One other thing worth mentioning is - if you change your downhaul during the session always double check the outhaul, since one effects the other quite a lot.
I was surprised by that downhaul line pattern TBH. Does this go for Freeride/race sails as well? I mean obviously you don't want to cross the lines but I always go from outside to the inside and always from bottom to the front with the line which does not give crossed lines. But maybe you can downhaul a bit easier with the most tension being on the big pulley 🤔
Ezzy gives instructions on a tag attached to the sail. Their directions are different from Ben's but also do not cross. I became OCD after following their instructions the first time.
I started using this pattern on any sail BTW and you do get the best result and it makes putting on enough downhaul easier as well
Awesome video, could you also make one from severne?
Nice video, good tips, thanks! Allthough I don't agree with rigging upwind. Rigging with 30 knots of wind blowing towards me and 4 or 5 m² of sail in between sounds like a recipe for disaster :) To avoid wrinkling of the sail, I just put in the mast while unrolling (the mast pushes, so that the sail unrolls).
I have often thought that sand can also enter through the top of the mast? Along with the water or if you leave your set on the beach. So it looks like it crawled under the tape. Not sure. Tx anyway for the evergreen tips!
Fantastic and really helpful video Ben! Thanks! If you have chanche to find someone from Neil Pryde for combat and wizard sails It Will be very appreciated
I have a Duotone Power.XT ratchet extension. Can't live without it. Rig, sail out. Return to the sandbank. Finetune down haul, heaven. Word of caution. I never did this, but I spoke with a sail maker and he has some repairs from over tightening using this product. Be reasonable on your down haul.
I also use the Power XT for more than a decade. Everything else is a dump phone and should be sold as one.
Nice tips , thank you Ben . It’s very important not to rig a sail for the first time when you are impatient to go on the water !!😅
Ben i have a few questions.
Whij do you have the boom so low with very long cords on it?
Do you trim the sail always with loose leach. Looks like you do not have a lot of trim possibilities with four batten sails?
Do you change your mast position if you change your sail settings?
How does downhaul works with 3 batten sails? Any tips?
And if you go wave riding in light days. How are then your sail, mastfoot and board settings?
Thanks fore already given tips.
Nice video again. I asume you use a 100% mast. What would be the minimum for a wavesail in your opinion?
I would like to see the rigging of the NP Atlas Pro 5.4.
Can you explain in detail what you do if you want to record the optimal downhaul, outhaul, harness lines position?
Nice instruction Ben🎉… Pro riders often rig very specific for beeing very atcletic and winning contests - unlike the awerage weekend warrior 😅
Please do this for every type of sail (wave, freestyle, free ride, free race, race)... I have a 7,9 Gun Sails Rapid (7 batten camber less free race), and I do not get my head around the downhaul. I got it perfect ONCE! (The sweet spot you were talking about), but since then, every time I try to re-trim it that way, the loose leech just doesn't seem to get quite as far down as this one perfect time. Even if I try to over-haul it, I suddenly can´t reach the amount I did this one time..
If possible, make a Duotone rigging video, thank you :D
Hahaha! I'm one of those old school guys who like downhawl tenssion 😅
Good on the "color coordination" 😂👌
Excellent ! .. can you get someone to show how to correctly rig the Naish force 4 and the Chopper .. cheers 🏄♂️
Nice vid! I am one month late though, but windsurfing is not on the menu in Austria right now
Personally I pass the last loop from the middle pulley of the sail so that the tension is smack in the middle of the sail. This only half crosses the final loop, so you can still downhaul it till both ends touch if you like. Also I tend to add a little bit more downhaul and see how the sail behaves in the water first, since you can always release some downhaul tension in the water if need be, but not the other way around. Just my 2c
Please do the same with a freestyle sail :)))
I never use 3 sashes on the downhaul pulley on wave sails. 2 is enough. Its a bit quicker and it doesn't need as much rope.
Great tips!
Hi Ben, like your rigging video i use Ezzy sails would like to hear a professionals
thoughts on rigging them
Thanks
David
Ezzy has videos on how to rig and tune, with the newer sails your looking for the batten above the boom to just clear the mast when rotating the sail iirc… not behind the mast or pulled away from the mast. That gives the medium setting. So high wind pulls away a bit, and low wind you overlap the mast a bit. I find a different mast selection will interfere with this guideline, and masts with different bend curves will be obviously out of whack and require more tension to properly rotate around the mast. Personally I like a softer mast and Ezzy sails do that by mixing masts sizes to have a bit longer extension typically… but not always.
Thanks
I have been sailing with Ezzy sails for over 20 years I've seen the rigging videos but am always looking for more advice
David
So how do you undo the stowed excess downhaul line, when you're done sailing? Do you pull it back through the loop or is there a simpler trick?
Tensioning the 2nd batten, at 14'50'', I see diagonal creases from the batten tensioner towards the luff, already before you start to add more tension. These are typically a sign of too much batten-tension, right? I see the wrinkles getting worse as you add tension. In the vid I could not see the wrinkles perpendicular to the batten near the luff, typically associated with too little tension. Probably due to the light in the sail and the angle from the camera. Anyway, do you recognize the relation between the diagonal creases and too much batten tension? Already before the S-ing of the battens?
Nice , explanation ... a specialty that I am slalom guy :)
Epic tips! But that boom is so low😅
first thing Ben,,,don t hold your sail as you do at the beginning of the video !! the clew area will crease, If you want to hold it straight, then better to do it on the sleeve side. so put the sleeve side first if you store your sails like that, ;-) (I got that tip from David Ezzy).
A gunsails seal rigging guide please🙏
second benefit of putting tape on is the parts won't move or open up just a bit for that small grain of sand to come in.
color coordination : that's another reason for my custom board deck to be white...
About wave sails, I would have a question : when rigged, the profile only reveals itself when the sail is under wind pressure. Ok, but shouldn't lighter riders use 'softer' mast so the sail get loaded with less wind pressure ?
Ben why didn't you do this video 15 yrs ago!:) I hope some day you stop me and correct my lines at the bottom!:)))
Duotone super hero rig guide 🤙with Marc Pare
about rope ends, you can burn it with a flame just a little bit. the nylon will melt and you can make a nice end
Or a soldering iron
Branden of soldeerbout werkt maar tijdelijk met Dyneema. Seconde Lijm werkt perfect.
Ok, now tell me what to feel on the water while sailing. What is (in)correct and what to change to get it better? And what does change with batten tension, i know the result but what happens to the sail?
Why do the battens touch the mast? after a hundred switches, the material will break. is that mast correct for that sail?
When the wind loads the sail, the pocket will deepen and the battens will pull away from the mast. You can see this happen if you push on the sail near the harness lines. Incorrect downhaul and/or out haul tension will prevent the sail from attaining a proper shape.
Ben how come u sail with them boom so low? Just curious. I’m about ur height and always go slightly higher than the middle
This Simmer sail have the smell of a Severn. Look like it's designed by Severn.
Ooooh! So it's... round the bottom, up the back hole😳!! wait, hold up, what are we talking about again!? 😂
Ben rigging a sail:
me: *WHAT IS THIS TRICKERY*
You: Simmer mast, on a simmer sail on a simmer extension.
Simmer: let’s make the extension pulley crossing
It doesn’t cross… just need to thread it like in the video 😁
Up the middle!? WTF!? It's always been: Nearest the mast > Nearest to me > Furthest from mast > Furthest from me > Down the middle > Finish. What kind voodoo OCD are ya preachin Ben? Haha
Rigging on a Sandy Beach and it's a Mystery how the Sand is between your mast Parts.. 😂 Funny guy..
Actually, it looks like you may be on the Quantex-not the Whip. Tell me more....! :)
the most important part: COLOR COORDINATION!!!!! I'm italian and I've been saying since YEARS!!!! C O O R D I N A T I O N
My masts are not the right ones for my sails but I'll be damned if Im spending a gajillion bucks for two new ones...
rigging on sand, come on!😢
And a new sail...I even get goosebumps
The cameraman recording the man and not the what he is doing, is really annoying.
Nice video but please remake this video.