This hands down is arguably the best SFF PC I've ever come across. You can debate all you want about it missing features and room etc, but in terms of it's small size, it beats anything else. The fact that it STILL supports CPU swaps and a dual slot GPU is what makes this case so versatile. I'm sure we can expect an even better, updated version from Asrock in the future!
Rx 6400 is great card for 1080p. Fyi for games that dont natively support fsr like elden ring theres a setting in adrenalin drivers to enable it on all games in the global grafics tab then u set the grafics to anything lower than 1080p. And the driver scales it up to 1080p with fsr and a check box appears on ure screen when this feature is enabled.
You're not alone liking this card - I put a RX 6400 in my mini ITX build a few months ago, and I love it! It does everything I need and requires no extra power (helps with the cables clutter). Such a wonderful little thing.
The only thing stopping me from buying this is the PCIe 3.0 graphics card slot. The intel version of this case supports pcie4.0 all round including the m.2 slot. I hope they come up with a AM5 version in the future
@@BlueBoxInc AMD released a card that benefits greatly from PCIE 4, 6500XT/6400. Just 4GB and only 4 lanes (instead of 16). Here it makes a difference that PCIE 4 is double the bandwidth of PCIE 3 ;)
@@BlueBoxInc you are right. If i were making a budget gaming pc from a second handoffice pc, i wouldnt mind. But i wouldmind if im building a new pc from scratch
@@ajrocmotionpicture1138 well i mean it has x4 lanes regardless of whether its in pcie 3.0 or 4.0. Lack of bandwidth strangles the 6400 when it's running in pci e 3.0, which makes the 6400 a particular bad card to pair with this system.
Great little box but I think AsRock have missed the boat with it only being PCIe 3.0 and only one NVMe. I would've given up the third and fourth RAM slot & one SATA port for dual NVMe & 4.0. Surprised they went for full size ATX PSU and not SFF to get a bigger GPU in there.
As others will undoubtedly (or have already?) called out, and which you called out towards the end of the video, in a SFF case when you install the PSU with its intake fan closely facing the CPU's heatsink (intake) fan, the two are fighting for the same air which will likely compromise optimal airflow and cooling. They could have put mesh on the PSU side, and designed it to mount the PSU with the intake fan pointing outward rather than inward. Then all of the components would have been happy. SOOOO CLOSE! I know you say it did much better than you thought it would, but it'd be possible for it to be even cooler if they made a couple of simple design tweaks.
I'd thought that there is going to be a comment about the (non existing) airflow. I'd be cautious with that, too. Especially everyone who is going to use that with beefier hardware.
In a case this small it's probably better to reverse the CPU heat sink fan direction and keep the PSU fan running, that way you can use the PSU as an exhaust or even an intake as long as both fans are running the same way. A lot of small, older systems used this trick before the current trend of trying to make everything draw it's own outside air.
Happy to be able to say that Newegg is now advertising the Asrock Deskmeet X300 for 189.99. At least as of this morning, they say it's in stock, limit 2 per customer.
I love that build, I actually saw your review of the Deskmini A300 and I decided to build it several years ago. I even got the Noctua low profile cooler you suggested. Now that become my son's computer but he's hitting a limit with some games with the Ryzen 2200g APU so when they announced a DeskMini that can take a graphics card I was interested and I happen to have a EVGA 1080ti but I quickly realized it would not fit. I ultimately went with a NZXT H1 which is great. Anyways love all your videos
Finally, we've got a new X300 board and case! Should be more available and cheaper than the Velkase Velka 3, if a bit bigger. With a 5700X, 3060 and 32 or even 64GB of(Overclocked) ram, it would be a tiny monster.
I just ordered one from Newegg. I have a Ryzen 5 5600 cpu, and an old sapphire pulse RX-470 card that should be just fine. I will use all 4 memory slots for 32g of 3200mhz ram.
Important: The included Power Supply has an intake fan, unlike standard exhaust PSU fans. It actually delivers fresh air straight into the CPU Cooler. If you swap to another PSU, cpu temperatures will increase.
@@SINbKA007 Tinkering with a PSU is not recommended and will void any warranty on the PSU. Slotting in a CPU and RAM is simple and safe, disassembling a power supply can be dangerous.
Welp I know what will be my next emulation mini beast! This looks amazing had the Asrock 300w way back when you did the review I loved it for my Ryzen 5 3400g now this will be everything I need for my emulation and pc gaming needs!
This is definitely a perfect specimen for an emulation beast. Max out the CPU and hit 64gbs of ram with a decent GPU and I think you will be able to push PS4 titles when an emulation finally comes out. Too bad you can't get away with a small water cooled solution though.
The 6400 is good for very small cases, but considering that this case has enough room for dual slot cards, the 6400 isn't a great choice. The 6400 loses around 20-30% of its performance when running in PCI-E 3.0 due to it only being a 4X card, which isn't something it can afford.
These are finally in stock at Newegg. I did quite a bit of research on this unit while waiting for it to restock. FYI, the documentation states a max CPU TDP of 65W, so the max chip is a 5700X. Also, being PCIe Gen 3 may deter some people. However, the 5600G/5700G are Gen 3 chips, so there's no real performance lost with those APUs. Asrock calls the motherboard a "deep ITX" form factor. The front panel ports are attached directly to the motherboard. So, if you replace the motherboard with a mini-ITX board (which should fit), you'll have holes in the front panel.
Any indication of when this is actually available? It's good to see it physically existing, been following along waiting on it to drop after they announced it
I really like that your showing the same tests on your projects like Forza Horizon 5. +ETA PRIME For reference: I play it myself on a small HP Pavilion 595 system that I got used for 260 €. It has a Ryzen 2600 and a GTX 1050 (2GB) and with that I play FH5 at 1080p, medium preset with 45 fps avg. Also the 3D Mark Night Raid I got 28850 on the graphics score. So I got what I payed for and this little silver case is looking not bad. So thank you for your inspiration and testing all these years. Wanted to have a smaller Ryzen build since your first videos with that 2200/ 2400G. And for those who are on the budget: a used PC like 3-4 years old is a good way to start ... I looked for the older Desk Mini at my local used market but for a smaller build with same performance you can easily pay double. This Desk Meet should easily cost triple (700 - 800 bucks?). My HP Desktop is getting a smaller GPU upgrade like a GTX 1050 Ti 4GB or RX570 4GB (when the 310 Watt PSU lasts), but over all it's a cute little system.
You show me these neat little boxes a day late. I just got these parts on order. K49 case $99 Silver stone sx500G $60 Gigabyte b450i $75 Ryzen 5 5600g $155 16GB $45. Future GPU pending price drops but aiming for a rtx 3060 ti.
It's a great no nonsense SFF case, and for those that need a SFF PC right now it's a good deal. However for me I'm going to wait for the next gen AM5 versions of the DeskMate & DeskMeet models especially for the Deskmate with a RDNA2 APU. It'd be a waste of money to build now with it just around the corner.
"with it just around the corner" ... which would depend on the availability of the parts. when those AM5 hardware would be released this years but be only available like in 2023 it could be a long wait ... fingers crossed.
the asrock stuff like this come out like 1-2 years after the release of new CPU gens, the new AMD APU G-series equivalent will also be 6-12months after the release of zen4 too so... not really right around the corner for this market
You can go up to a 3060 which I've seen on this itx size so I'd be interesting to see if the case can handle them thermally since the 6400 is just much more adept at being used in cases with very poor ventilation since it's under half the power.
@@Sup_D It's not an issue for the 3060 since it is a pci-e 3.0 true, but a x16 card. It only becomes an issue for the 6400 and 6500 that run on an x4 pci-e configuration in terms of speed
@@Sup_D Performance loss on a 3060 over pcie3 is going to be negligible to nonexistent depending on the application. It uses a full 16X link, regardless of pcie gen, which means it running it on 3.0 is equivalent to running it on eight lanes of 4.0. The reason the 6400, 500, and even arguably 6600 and XT a little bit, become hamstrung going back to pcie3 is that the number of link pins has been slashed, as far down as 25% on the 6400 and 500.
@@doublevendetta Even the 3080 has 5% or less performance degradation in PCIe 3 systems. Anything with an 8x bus or below will see more serious degradation.
The way the case is the GPU is always going to have access to fresh air, if only they had put an intake for the CPU on the front panel (even if it had it be 80mm/92mm to fit) as is the only exhaust is the PSU fan. As for the 6400 as a GPU its hobbled on 2 fronts, with just 4 PCIe lanes and only 4GB it had no chance. Hardware Unboxed has a great video on this where they show how if it had just had either 8 lanes or 8GB it could have been a good card but at the time of its release any card was better than no card so this is what they gave us, a card than can barely do 1080p on modern games even with FSR on some
I know this suggestion is A LOT much and totally wasteful, but what about an A OUT build? Keep the case (or suggest a comparably sized one), sfx psu, better mobo, better cooling, max out the gpu and overkill the ram.
@@blacksun472 i have 2 k39. One witg hdplex psu, passive and absolutely silent. One with silverstone 350w wirh noctua fan. Not loud at all. Noctua cpu cooler as well. Both sysstems are very nice.
A little late with AM4, as for "only 8 liters" ... I have the 6900XT(!) and big Air Cooler @8.87L (video on my channel). The Desk Mini is great but the Desk Meet is kind of pointless.
This is a great little box, i might try to pick one up. I just wish there was a miniPC slightly larger than the Mac Mini with a design similar to the Lenovo Tiny, HP Mini, or Dell Micro. Sure it would need a proprietary 20V/O motherboard like the Lenovo, HP, and Dell mini PCs of this size, but i'd just love to throw in a single slot low profile RX 6400 along side say a 5600, 5700G(with some 5000Mhz RAM for that iGPU) or 12400/12600K(if you want those extra E cores) Its kind of cool that HP is sort of going this way as i think the 805 G6 had a 4750GE, paired with a 1660TI mobile, in a mac mini sized PC thats alot of performance. I have a Lenovo M75Q and while there is no option for a GPU, there is an unpopulated 16x PCIe through hole slot space, you could in theory just order a PCIE 16x header, and use a ribbon to attach a GPU Every time i hear Asrock Challenger i am reminded of out Esports team that was sold machines with undisclosed RX 5700XT. Those Asrock Challenger D cards would thermal throttle so bad, even with an open case, that it performed closer to an RX 6600XT, Normally this card is 200-225w 1700Mhz "base clock" (i've never seen a normal card under 1800Mhz even in a stress test, my personal one will sit at 2Ghz all day in furmark, and in gaming you'd normally expect over 2Ghz). But according to AMD driver suite, all 6 of these Challenger D RX5700XT were so bad that it slowed down to 125w 1300Mhz, and only got to 1605Mhz in real world gaming, not even reaching its base clock. I think this was due to the card basically having a single slot cooler, with a shroud of plastic to make it look like a dual slot cooler. Honestly, the cooler would have been awesome if it were sold as a single slot card with a 5700/5600 die instead of a full 5700xt, but it wasnt. The card would have also probably been great if it used all of the space it had for heat pipes and cooling fins, but it didnt.
You can get single fan 3060s that can fit in this case and it only needs a 450W PSU, this little computer would be a wee beastie with one of those in it.
Nice video! AFAIK the highest end GPU that would fit this would be something like the Sapphire RX 6600 Pulse, which is ~190mm and two slots. Should make for an excellent little gaming build :)
@@jeanbrouwers temps could be a bit better. Have heard of people putting in a smaller psu for more cooler clearance and aftermarket cooler for much better temps.
Not a huge fan of the blank slate look of the right side of the front. Something like the Deskmini's diagonal lines would look a lot nicer, IMO. Pending it comes out at a decent price, it seems pretty nice.
Yeah I would like to see 3060 inside of that little machine. See what type of power with draw, and Temps its would get and the frames in different games
I built 2 roughly similar size pc's with itx, 5900x, 2070, sfx/atx psu's, with 60mm and 92mm exhaust fans but i had more control over it. I have the A300 and X300 deskmini's however, i would not buy this simplye because the thermals might not be great and you might as well build one your self with the perfect case which you can find on Ali express and that case would last a life time instead of using the deskmeet.
@@navarrobrammer287 HI Navarro, I built them myself using plywood 3mm 6mm for the panel where most of the weight is going to be distributed and one was based on an atx psu and the other on an sfx. I have instructed a metal fabricator near my house to build the 2 cases out of 1.5mm steel and the total cost for me is £125 pounds for both cases however, prices will vary region to region. I purchased dead itx mobo and gpu within 225mm and designed my case around them. It was a lot of trial and error and designing aspect took the most time. I have found quite a few itx cases similar to this asrock case on ali express but they use standard itx boards. I would design it your self and build one based on the psu you are going to use because putting as much power as you can get in an itx form factor, budget, thermals and psu will be more important because I purchased 4 X custom ATX power supplies (2x standard and 2x 90 degrees l-type psu) with noctua fans and platinum rating from GEEEK at £175 each which is quite expensive but 1 of each is a back up and should last a life time.
Built this same setup I commented about using a 5700G that I had laying around. Got a Geek bench score of 65218 on compute and CPU score of 1492 single and 8485 multi
Lets see some emulation & pc games hooked up to a 4K television. I'm working on a 5600X & 6400 build & would like to see how that machine could handle a 4K television. Also would like to see what a 1650,1660, & 3060 could do
So thoughts on this machine. The older deskmini machines had wifi and bt, as well as two m.2 slots. Both of those are gone with a tradeoff of far more ports. That said, a second PCI slot above the gpu slot (to avoid blocking gpu fan) would have been a decent alternative to allow for adding in an extra card for wifi/sound/usb.
I would like to see you put a 5600X3D cpu and a 7600 gpu from Radeon in this. The 5600X3D and this psu should work with noctua’s smallest low profile cooler. The 7600 from Radeon is most gpu power from Radeon you can fit in this case and the 5600X3D is best cpu you can now put in this motherboard. Would make a interesting little rig.
This looks really nice and all but why didn't they use a sfx psu? If they would have used that then they could have increased the cpu cooler height. Also that proprietary motherboard makes this a hard pass for me.
Is there a wiggle room for GPU length? I have one RTX 2060 card that is dual slot, but 209 mm length, so 9 mm more than specified 200 mm max. So I am wondering if it could squeeze into this case.
Always been a fan of mini-ITX builds but I have to say a few words of critic: The AM4 socket in the Asrock Desk Meet X300 only supports CPU's up to 65W (so the socket can't support any Ryzen CPU) and the PCIe port is only 3.0 which means the bandwidth of the PCIe 4.0 x4 connected RX 6400 is cut in half. Price-wise, the GTX 1650 and its bigger brother the RX 6500XT are on the same level but offer the same or better performance.
According to ASRock the fan in the PSU rotate in the oposite direction. So its maybe no good idea to use any PSU, as you would have no intake fan at all.
I recently upgraded the CPU in my main desktop from a 3400g to a 5900x, leaving me with that 3400g just sitting around not doing anything. I've been meaning to drop it into a Deskmini X300 (possibly making a 'Hackendeck' out of it if a general release of SteamOS 3.0 comes along soon) but this look like a very solid alternative, assuming pricing and availability is reasonable whenever I get around to piecing together that build in a month or two.
My father is looking for a PC for photo editing. I guess it's a nice barebone kit that would fit his needs pretty well. I may give him my 5700G or pair a 5600x with a sff gpu
Thank you. Great video. Do you think any modifications to the case ventilation could reduce the Max temp? Would changing the power supply fan orientation help? Thanks again.
Probably simpler and more effective to upgrade the CPU cooler, I would think! That said, I would think any 65-watt CPU should do fine in this. They're designed to run up to 95C (AMD) or 100C (Intel), and under normal loads you should be running far below those temperatures, as ETA showed.
Neat little bare bones! This definitely needs a little more GPU power... Maybe a 3050 or 3060? At least a 1660 ti/super would give 1080p medium-high performance in most titles.
Someone clearly hasn't bothered to look at the reviews of the RX 6400 on PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0. "Shouldn't affect performance too much" was the line that made me bow out early on this one.
You've been waiting for this for a long time... I just known about this a week ago. :D btw can you use sfx psu with adapter on that? Thanks and as usual great video.
Do you kknow if a mini itx fit in this case cuz i rather buy a mini itx and thisx300 pc for $200 and just install a am5 mini itx instead of waiting forever for the x600 to come out
What is your ambient temperature? Please answer. I bought this barebone. I have 70 c on idle. I read forums, and other people have similar issue. But you got 70 c on load (gaming). Excuse me, it's not possible. At least on stock AMD cooler. Guys, you can buy this barebone, but only if you plan to build system without a GPU. You should install a liquid cooler or intake fan instead. Sorry for my broken English, guys.
can we water cool this with some cheap EK discount mounting plate for GPU and mini CPU pump/reservoir at the front of the GPU, making full use of the space in the small case this is a great build, thank you
the really great thing is that the case fits also a 3060ti, combined with an SFX power supply there could be also quite silent cooling options
Just finished building my Asrock Desk Meet X300. All I can say about it one just ONE BIG WOW! I simply love it!
This hands down is arguably the best SFF PC I've ever come across. You can debate all you want about it missing features and room etc, but in terms of it's small size, it beats anything else. The fact that it STILL supports CPU swaps and a dual slot GPU is what makes this case so versatile. I'm sure we can expect an even better, updated version from Asrock in the future!
You should check out r/SFFPC, I have a 5800x3d/3090 in a formd t1 which is only 1L bigger than this.
Rx 6400 is great card for 1080p. Fyi for games that dont natively support fsr like elden ring theres a setting in adrenalin drivers to enable it on all games in the global grafics tab then u set the grafics to anything lower than 1080p. And the driver scales it up to 1080p with fsr and a check box appears on ure screen when this feature is enabled.
You're not alone liking this card - I put a RX 6400 in my mini ITX build a few months ago, and I love it! It does everything I need and requires no extra power (helps with the cables clutter). Such a wonderful little thing.
The only thing stopping me from buying this is the PCIe 3.0 graphics card slot. The intel version of this case supports pcie4.0 all round including the m.2 slot. I hope they come up with a AM5 version in the future
You can get any S1700/AM4(B550/X570) mini-itx board... There are smaller/nicer mini-ITX cases with this kind of restrictions.
@@sff.f i Need some inspirations, would be nice if you could help me with nice and Little ITX Cases.
There's really not much of a difference in real life performance between pcie3 and 4. I mean it's nice for future proofing but
@@BlueBoxInc AMD released a card that benefits greatly from PCIE 4, 6500XT/6400. Just 4GB and only 4 lanes (instead of 16). Here it makes a difference that PCIE 4 is double the bandwidth of PCIE 3 ;)
@@BlueBoxInc you are right. If i were making a budget gaming pc from a second handoffice pc, i wouldnt mind. But i wouldmind if im building a new pc from scratch
Honestly, considering the price, this looks like the perfect base to build a living room Steam Machine with HoloISO.
What is HoloIso?.
I like my X300W and bought it as a special on release, but I wish AsRock had this available instead. I'm really happy they've done this.
is the x300 model not better than this one.
Odd that they didn't use an SFX power supply, considering the form factor.
it would cost even more probably or you would have to lower the quality
3:03 minor clarification, pcie gen 4 and pcie gen 3, as opposed to x4 and x3 (referring to lanes)
very tidy little box, i dig it.
I wonder if he wrote it wrong since the card only has x4 lanes at pci 4.0
@@ajrocmotionpicture1138 well i mean it has x4 lanes regardless of whether its in pcie 3.0 or 4.0. Lack of bandwidth strangles the 6400 when it's running in pci e 3.0, which makes the 6400 a particular bad card to pair with this system.
Great little box but I think AsRock have missed the boat with it only being PCIe 3.0 and only one NVMe. I would've given up the third and fourth RAM slot & one SATA port for dual NVMe & 4.0. Surprised they went for full size ATX PSU and not SFF to get a bigger GPU in there.
As others will undoubtedly (or have already?) called out, and which you called out towards the end of the video, in a SFF case when you install the PSU with its intake fan closely facing the CPU's heatsink (intake) fan, the two are fighting for the same air which will likely compromise optimal airflow and cooling. They could have put mesh on the PSU side, and designed it to mount the PSU with the intake fan pointing outward rather than inward. Then all of the components would have been happy. SOOOO CLOSE! I know you say it did much better than you thought it would, but it'd be possible for it to be even cooler if they made a couple of simple design tweaks.
I'd thought that there is going to be a comment about the (non existing) airflow. I'd be cautious with that, too. Especially everyone who is going to use that with beefier hardware.
In a case this small it's probably better to reverse the CPU heat sink fan direction and keep the PSU fan running, that way you can use the PSU as an exhaust or even an intake as long as both fans are running the same way. A lot of small, older systems used this trick before the current trend of trying to make everything draw it's own outside air.
Happy to be able to say that Newegg is now advertising the Asrock Deskmeet X300 for 189.99. At least as of this morning, they say it's in stock, limit 2 per customer.
I love that build, I actually saw your review of the Deskmini A300 and I decided to build it several years ago. I even got the Noctua low profile cooler you suggested. Now that become my son's computer but he's hitting a limit with some games with the Ryzen 2200g APU so when they announced a DeskMini that can take a graphics card I was interested and I happen to have a EVGA 1080ti but I quickly realized it would not fit. I ultimately went with a NZXT H1 which is great. Anyways love all your videos
Did you get the H1 without the fire hazzard pcie riser?
@@KadiusFTW Yes it's still the first version not the 2022 H1 model but it has a new Riser and thumbscrews which supposed to prevent that issue
@@SunnyE_Mechwarrior nice
@Garrus Vakarian True but I had the 1080ti already laying around since I got the 3070ti I figure might as well use it
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Finally, we've got a new X300 board and case! Should be more available and cheaper than the Velkase Velka 3, if a bit bigger. With a 5700X, 3060 and 32 or even 64GB of(Overclocked) ram, it would be a tiny monster.
I don't know why you're comparing it to the velka 3, the velka 3 is half the volume.
I'm not sure if the case could handle all that heat from a 5700X when the 3060 is filling like everything out.
RX 6650 XT will also fit in there. The Powercolor Challenger has 200mm. So must fit in there 😮
I fit a powercolor fighter 6600xt in there.
I just ordered one from Newegg. I have a Ryzen 5 5600 cpu, and an old sapphire pulse RX-470 card that should be just fine. I will use all 4 memory slots for 32g of 3200mhz ram.
the Asrock RX 6600 XT Challenger ITX, would be a perfect pairing for that.. lol
Important: The included Power Supply has an intake fan, unlike standard exhaust PSU fans. It actually delivers fresh air straight into the CPU Cooler. If you swap to another PSU, cpu temperatures will increase.
You can dissasembly any psu and flip fan
@@SINbKA007 Tinkering with a PSU is not recommended and will void any warranty on the PSU.
Slotting in a CPU and RAM is simple and safe, disassembling a power supply can be dangerous.
Interesting note on this subject. I was looking at that power supply and thinking that it was going to fight the CPU cooler.
@@Ujaah well, it a lot of dust inside your psu
The case on the inside reminds me of the SG13 by sliverstone.
Great video!
Bro your videos are getting more lit every day
That case design is a throw back to early 2010's Lian-li Q series cases.
Welp I know what will be my next emulation mini beast! This looks amazing had the Asrock 300w way back when you did the review I loved it for my Ryzen 5 3400g now this will be everything I need for my emulation and pc gaming needs!
If you like your CPU nice and toasty then its the perfect box for you lol
This is definitely a perfect specimen for an emulation beast. Max out the CPU and hit 64gbs of ram with a decent GPU and I think you will be able to push PS4 titles when an emulation finally comes out. Too bad you can't get away with a small water cooled solution though.
The 6400 is good for very small cases, but considering that this case has enough room for dual slot cards, the 6400 isn't a great choice. The 6400 loses around 20-30% of its performance when running in PCI-E 3.0 due to it only being a 4X card, which isn't something it can afford.
Its only use case is small pcs its weaker rx6500xt and its weaker than gtx1650 on pcie gen 3.0 so its not good at all
in this case the cpu he is using is a 5600 non x which is still pci 4.0. but yeah the card is hard pill to swallow
The Intel varient supports PCIe 4.0 GPU
There is RTX 3060 dual slot card, SFF exist. But pricey tho.
@@Post1157 yeah but he said the mobo doesnt support pcie 4.0 i think
Please try a 3060, it won't be bottlenecked at gen 3 unlike the budget AMD cards.
These are finally in stock at Newegg. I did quite a bit of research on this unit while waiting for it to restock.
FYI, the documentation states a max CPU TDP of 65W, so the max chip is a 5700X.
Also, being PCIe Gen 3 may deter some people. However, the 5600G/5700G are Gen 3 chips, so there's no real performance lost with those APUs.
Asrock calls the motherboard a "deep ITX" form factor. The front panel ports are attached directly to the motherboard. So, if you replace the motherboard with a mini-ITX board (which should fit), you'll have holes in the front panel.
Any indication of when this is actually available? It's good to see it physically existing, been following along waiting on it to drop after they announced it
I really like that your showing the same tests on your projects like Forza Horizon 5. +ETA PRIME
For reference: I play it myself on a small HP Pavilion 595 system that I got used for 260 €. It has a Ryzen 2600 and a GTX 1050 (2GB) and with that I play FH5 at 1080p, medium preset with 45 fps avg. Also the 3D Mark Night Raid I got 28850 on the graphics score. So I got what I payed for and this little silver case is looking not bad.
So thank you for your inspiration and testing all these years. Wanted to have a smaller Ryzen build since your first videos with that 2200/ 2400G.
And for those who are on the budget: a used PC like 3-4 years old is a good way to start ...
I looked for the older Desk Mini at my local used market but for a smaller build with same performance you can easily pay double. This Desk Meet should easily cost triple (700 - 800 bucks?).
My HP Desktop is getting a smaller GPU upgrade like a GTX 1050 Ti 4GB or RX570 4GB (when the 310 Watt PSU lasts), but over all it's a cute little system.
You show me these neat little boxes a day late. I just got these parts on order.
K49 case $99
Silver stone sx500G $60
Gigabyte b450i $75
Ryzen 5 5600g $155
16GB $45.
Future GPU pending price drops but aiming for a rtx 3060 ti.
It's a great no nonsense SFF case, and for those that need a SFF PC right now it's a good deal. However for me I'm going to wait for the next gen AM5 versions of the DeskMate & DeskMeet models especially for the Deskmate with a RDNA2 APU. It'd be a waste of money to build now with it just around the corner.
"with it just around the corner" ... which would depend on the availability of the parts. when those AM5 hardware would be released this years but be only available like in 2023 it could be a long wait ...
fingers crossed.
the asrock stuff like this come out like 1-2 years after the release of new CPU gens, the new AMD APU G-series equivalent will also be 6-12months after the release of zen4 too so... not really right around the corner for this market
Came here after checking that the Odin Loki has USB4 across all models, now we wait and see whether or not they have eGPU support.
*Desk Meat* ... I can't unhear it.
You can go up to a 3060 which I've seen on this itx size so I'd be interesting to see if the case can handle them thermally since the 6400 is just much more adept at being used in cases with very poor ventilation since it's under half the power.
Its on PCIe 3.0 i think, so there would be performance loss with RTX 3000 Series
Though the Intel version supports PCIe 4.0.
@@Sup_D It's not an issue for the 3060 since it is a pci-e 3.0 true, but a x16 card. It only becomes an issue for the 6400 and 6500 that run on an x4 pci-e configuration in terms of speed
@@Sup_D Performance loss on a 3060 over pcie3 is going to be negligible to nonexistent depending on the application. It uses a full 16X link, regardless of pcie gen, which means it running it on 3.0 is equivalent to running it on eight lanes of 4.0.
The reason the 6400, 500, and even arguably 6600 and XT a little bit, become hamstrung going back to pcie3 is that the number of link pins has been slashed, as far down as 25% on the 6400 and 500.
@@doublevendetta Even the 3080 has 5% or less performance degradation in PCIe 3 systems. Anything with an 8x bus or below will see more serious degradation.
The way the case is the GPU is always going to have access to fresh air, if only they had put an intake for the CPU on the front panel (even if it had it be 80mm/92mm to fit) as is the only exhaust is the PSU fan.
As for the 6400 as a GPU its hobbled on 2 fronts, with just 4 PCIe lanes and only 4GB it had no chance. Hardware Unboxed has a great video on this where they show how if it had just had either 8 lanes or 8GB it could have been a good card but at the time of its release any card was better than no card so this is what they gave us, a card than can barely do 1080p on modern games even with FSR on some
The case design is really nice.
Cryorig c7 for cooling 😎 👌
I know this suggestion is A LOT much and totally wasteful, but what about an A OUT build? Keep the case (or suggest a comparably sized one), sfx psu, better mobo, better cooling, max out the gpu and overkill the ram.
Good vídeo
Let me ask do you have the 3050, i would like to see this build with a 3050
Nice build!
Just get an k39 case, half the size, and you can have pcie 4.0. The atx psu in this x300 is just ridiculous big.
k39 case size is small but loud.
@@blacksun472 i have 2 k39. One witg hdplex psu, passive and absolutely silent. One with silverstone 350w wirh noctua fan. Not loud at all. Noctua cpu cooler as well. Both sysstems are very nice.
Needs a mesh panel and a fan to be perfection. COuld squeeze a good bit more performance out of it with just a tiny bit of modifications.
I'm diggin it too ETA Prime!!!
A little late with AM4, as for "only 8 liters" ... I have the 6900XT(!) and big Air Cooler @8.87L (video on my channel). The Desk Mini is great but the Desk Meet is kind of pointless.
This is a great little box, i might try to pick one up. I just wish there was a miniPC slightly larger than the Mac Mini with a design similar to the Lenovo Tiny, HP Mini, or Dell Micro. Sure it would need a proprietary 20V/O motherboard like the Lenovo, HP, and Dell mini PCs of this size, but i'd just love to throw in a single slot low profile RX 6400 along side say a 5600, 5700G(with some 5000Mhz RAM for that iGPU) or 12400/12600K(if you want those extra E cores)
Its kind of cool that HP is sort of going this way as i think the 805 G6 had a 4750GE, paired with a 1660TI mobile, in a mac mini sized PC thats alot of performance.
I have a Lenovo M75Q and while there is no option for a GPU, there is an unpopulated 16x PCIe through hole slot space, you could in theory just order a PCIE 16x header, and use a ribbon to attach a GPU
Every time i hear Asrock Challenger i am reminded of out Esports team that was sold machines with undisclosed RX 5700XT. Those Asrock Challenger D cards would thermal throttle so bad, even with an open case, that it performed closer to an RX 6600XT,
Normally this card is 200-225w 1700Mhz "base clock" (i've never seen a normal card under 1800Mhz even in a stress test, my personal one will sit at 2Ghz all day in furmark, and in gaming you'd normally expect over 2Ghz).
But according to AMD driver suite, all 6 of these Challenger D RX5700XT were so bad that it slowed down to 125w 1300Mhz, and only got to 1605Mhz in real world gaming, not even reaching its base clock. I think this was due to the card basically having a single slot cooler, with a shroud of plastic to make it look like a dual slot cooler. Honestly, the cooler would have been awesome if it were sold as a single slot card with a 5700/5600 die instead of a full 5700xt, but it wasnt. The card would have also probably been great if it used all of the space it had for heat pipes and cooling fins, but it didnt.
Extraordinary. Thank you.
I feel a particular fascination for Mini PCs like this. Such a shame the form factor is so expensive.
Love this kind of case
Even if it's not really gaming material
How would you figure 500 watts of power "isn't really gaming material?"
@@doublevendetta render material
Looks cooler than the DeskMini.
I really hope that i can get a mini pc like that one day
You can get single fan 3060s that can fit in this case and it only needs a 450W PSU, this little computer would be a wee beastie with one of those in it.
this is what i was waiting for O.O I have a 1660 ti itx version waiting to go in this bad boy *.* gonna couple it with a r5 5500
This seems like a really good little lan box or a good Media center setup
I'd love to see this thing with an RTX 3060!
I am waiting for RDNA 3 APU. This will kick ass.
Awesome little build! Would love to see it doing emulation 😁
Why in the world did they go with a full-sized ATX PSU and not an SFX PSU?
price
More customer friendly i guess, cheaper.
@@FaridRudiansyah ATX PSU is more silence than SFX PSU.
Nice video! AFAIK the highest end GPU that would fit this would be something like the Sapphire RX 6600 Pulse, which is ~190mm and two slots. Should make for an excellent little gaming build :)
That's what's going into mine, along with a 5700X and 32GB RAM.
@@JamieStuff Did you buy it and how are the temps? I'm considering a 5700X and RTX 3060 build for some tv gaming.
I was able to fit a Powercolor fighter 6600xt in this build. Temps not too bad.
@@jeanbrouwers temps could be a bit better. Have heard of people putting in a smaller psu for more cooler clearance and aftermarket cooler for much better temps.
Not a huge fan of the blank slate look of the right side of the front. Something like the Deskmini's diagonal lines would look a lot nicer, IMO. Pending it comes out at a decent price, it seems pretty nice.
Yeah I would like to see 3060 inside of that little machine. See what type of power with draw, and Temps its would get and the frames in different games
Kinda wish they used a SFX PSU for this one
Is there enough room to fit 1 or 2 3.5" drives in the empty dGPU space jerry-rigged? Looks like 1 is doable, but 2 might be tight side by side
I built 2 roughly similar size pc's with itx, 5900x, 2070, sfx/atx psu's, with 60mm and 92mm exhaust fans but i had more control over it. I have the A300 and X300 deskmini's however, i would not buy this simplye because the thermals might not be great and you might as well build one your self with the perfect case which you can find on Ali express and that case would last a life time instead of using the deskmeet.
Which Case did you use ? Would be nice, to get some inspiration ☺️
@@navarrobrammer287 HI Navarro, I built them myself using plywood 3mm 6mm for the panel where most of the weight is going to be distributed and one was based on an atx psu and the other on an sfx. I have instructed a metal fabricator near my house to build the 2 cases out of 1.5mm steel and the total cost for me is £125 pounds for both cases however, prices will vary region to region.
I purchased dead itx mobo and gpu within 225mm and designed my case around them. It was a lot of trial and error and designing aspect took the most time. I have found quite a few itx cases similar to this asrock case on ali express but they use standard itx boards.
I would design it your self and build one based on the psu you are going to use because putting as much power as you can get in an itx form factor, budget, thermals and psu will be more important because I purchased 4 X custom ATX power supplies (2x standard and 2x 90 degrees l-type psu) with noctua fans and platinum rating from GEEEK at £175 each which is quite expensive but 1 of each is a back up and should last a life time.
@@MrAce86Productions thats a wholelotta work you did there! Sounds realy Great ofcourse 😇
MSI RTX 3060 Ti AERO ITX OC would be so good in this. Bloody hard cards to get though.
Would like to see it with a Ryzen 5700 and RX6600
Built this same setup I commented about using a 5700G that I had laying around. Got a Geek bench score of 65218 on compute and CPU score of 1492 single and 8485 multi
Superpostion Score of 9788 on 1080P High. Average of 73.21FPS
I’m getting a Rtx 3060 12gb single fan on mine
Lets see some emulation & pc games hooked up to a 4K television. I'm working on a 5600X & 6400 build & would like to see how that machine could handle a 4K television. Also would like to see what a 1650,1660, & 3060 could do
People give the RX6400 a lot of crap because it's a low end card. For applications like this, it's optimal since it is a relatively cool-running card.
So thoughts on this machine. The older deskmini machines had wifi and bt, as well as two m.2 slots. Both of those are gone with a tradeoff of far more ports.
That said, a second PCI slot above the gpu slot (to avoid blocking gpu fan) would have been a decent alternative to allow for adding in an extra card for wifi/sound/usb.
Imagine the sellout with the new 7940HS APU, with the option of adding a 200mm GPU.
This reminds me NeXTcube very much!
I would like to see you put a 5600X3D cpu and a 7600 gpu from Radeon in this. The 5600X3D and this psu should work with noctua’s smallest low profile cooler. The 7600 from Radeon is most gpu power from Radeon you can fit in this case and the 5600X3D is best cpu you can now put in this motherboard. Would make a interesting little rig.
I saw 4 dimm slots on that tiny board and my head exploded.
This looks really nice and all but why didn't they use a sfx psu? If they would have used that then they could have increased the cpu cooler height. Also that proprietary motherboard makes this a hard pass for me.
atx psu is more silence than sfx psu.
Is there a wiggle room for GPU length? I have one RTX 2060 card that is dual slot, but 209 mm length, so 9 mm more than specified 200 mm max. So I am wondering if it could squeeze into this case.
Always been a fan of mini-ITX builds but I have to say a few words of critic:
The AM4 socket in the Asrock Desk Meet X300 only supports CPU's up to 65W (so the socket can't support any Ryzen CPU)
and the PCIe port is only 3.0 which means the bandwidth of the PCIe 4.0 x4 connected RX 6400 is cut in half. Price-wise, the
GTX 1650 and its bigger brother the RX 6500XT are on the same level but offer the same or better performance.
another good vga card option is intel arc a380
According to ASRock the fan in the PSU rotate in the oposite direction. So its maybe no good idea to use any PSU, as you would have no intake fan at all.
I recently upgraded the CPU in my main desktop from a 3400g to a 5900x, leaving me with that 3400g just sitting around not doing anything. I've been meaning to drop it into a Deskmini X300 (possibly making a 'Hackendeck' out of it if a general release of SteamOS 3.0 comes along soon) but this look like a very solid alternative, assuming pricing and availability is reasonable whenever I get around to piecing together that build in a month or two.
$190 in stock (as I write this) at Newegg.
My father is looking for a PC for photo editing. I guess it's a nice barebone kit that would fit his needs pretty well.
I may give him my 5700G or pair a 5600x with a sff gpu
PSU should have been an SFX perhaps...
this with a 3060 Phoenix would be really cool.
cool to see a non pc builder guy expand his horizons. how many youtube videos did you watch to figure out how to install the ram?
Thank you. Great video. Do you think any modifications to the case ventilation could reduce the Max temp? Would changing the power supply fan orientation help? Thanks again.
The fan on that PSU is actually intake. So the PSU is pulling air from outside and blowing it straight into the CPU Wraith cooler.
Probably simpler and more effective to upgrade the CPU cooler, I would think! That said, I would think any 65-watt CPU should do fine in this. They're designed to run up to 95C (AMD) or 100C (Intel), and under normal loads you should be running far below those temperatures, as ETA showed.
Neat little bare bones! This definitely needs a little more GPU power... Maybe a 3050 or 3060? At least a 1660 ti/super would give 1080p medium-high performance in most titles.
Someone clearly hasn't bothered to look at the reviews of the RX 6400 on PCIe 3.0 vs 4.0. "Shouldn't affect performance too much" was the line that made me bow out early on this one.
this looks just like a short silverstone sugo sg13, even with the same layout
Great work thank you.
9:44 cyberpunk 2077 performance might be affected by pcie gen3 x4
You've been waiting for this for a long time... I just known about this a week ago. :D btw can you use sfx psu with adapter on that? Thanks and as usual great video.
This is like the second vaporware AsRock product you've shilled that I can't find a place to buy anywhere.
Plese go with a GTX 1660 with this. RX 6400 runs on PCIe 3.0x4 speed and almost all reviews showed it significantly hurt the performance.
Can a low profile NVIDIA GPU, like a low profile RTX 3050, fit inside the case?
Yes IT can
Max lenght of GPU ist 200mm
@@ak-ut7zy Oh I see.
You can also get a rx6600 ITX version.
Do you kknow if a mini itx fit in this case cuz i rather buy a mini itx and thisx300 pc for $200 and just install a am5 mini itx instead of waiting forever for the x600 to come out
I love content with the rx 6400, looking forward to build my own small form factor, what about with Manjaro Linux?
Would an EVGA 3050 - 3060ti fit in this. You stated 20CM GPU would fit, but the EVGA cards are 202mm. Wondering if the 2mm matters.
doesn't matter. It is OK.
Great Video. I would like to know how loud the power supply is. You can't hear it in the Deskmini X300. Would it be better to use the Noctua fan?
Ryzen 5600+asrock itx 6600XT should be good on this
Seems like only really small cpu coolers can fit.. would like to see this running 5700x and rx6600 or 6600xt..
A small help from an angle grinder will make it fit
@@fajaradi1223 thing is, it wont with psu on top of it. Nothing you can do. This would be awesome with brick type psu
If it came with an SFX power supply, that would give you a bit more leeway.
Honestly I don’t see it as a space miracle. You could make fit an asus 3060ti mini dual flawlessly and get a trillion of benchmark points more.
What is your ambient temperature? Please answer. I bought this barebone. I have 70 c on idle. I read forums, and other people have similar issue. But you got 70 c on load (gaming). Excuse me, it's not possible. At least on stock AMD cooler.
Guys, you can buy this barebone, but only if you plan to build system without a GPU. You should install a liquid cooler or intake fan instead.
Sorry for my broken English, guys.
can we water cool this with some cheap EK discount mounting plate for GPU and mini CPU pump/reservoir at the front of the GPU, making full use of the space in the small case
this is a great build, thank you
This looks like it would belong to the Silverstone SUGO series
smaller than sugo series.