Hi Guys and Gals, I am back in the shop getting a start on these angle plate castings. Lots of sweet shaper action, so catch the first in this new series.
thanks James, I haven't run a shaper since 1964 freshman high school. After watching this series I'll have to finish rebuilding my Dad's Atlas # 7 and try it out. Thanks again for the videos. Jim
Nice video, James, thanks a lot. The Shaper is my favourite machine machine after the lathe, and this is one of the few vids I've seen that shows shaping operations in any detail.
Hi Jay. I think I sold you these angle plates on eBay. I am so pleased to see the videos! Great to know they went to good use, rather than sitting on someone else's floor. Thanks for sharing!
You guys that got shapers are lucky... I did some shaper work back in the day... I may just find have to go find one again for my shop based on this... Thanks James...
Hi James ! Oh,I have to go to the scrapyard to get some of these big cut off pieces of construntion T- and L- and maybe even H-beams to make some of these tools out of ,,, the vinter is preventing that at the moment, but soon it will be spring ... I hope ! Really nice work on that shaper !
Try looking for a shop that does steel fabrication for construction. You can ask some local contractors where they have there beams and columns made. Those shops will typically have nice cut offs that they usually can't use and which are just scrap. I can usually trade a coffee and a sandwich or pack of beer.
Hi James, Thanks for All the good vigs I know I have learned lots of tech from you. Would like more shaper vids. I bout one this year andneedto learn how to run it properly
Quite, quite fascinating to watch and listen to. I suspect that running and operating one is not just as simple as it seems! I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more with this machine.
Stefan Gotteswinter Your little shaper is a work of art. I do enjoy your videos quite a bit. Its always nice to see someone else's setups for ideas. Thanks for stopping by.
Waiting for a nice little shaper (something like an 8"Boxford) to become available in this area, they are so useful in the home shop. Last time I used one was some years ago on cast iron dividing head castings, think that machine was a twelve inch or a touch larger, I remember it made short shift of getting under the hard cast skin and chucked chips a couple of feet on to the workshop floor.
James; Always cool to watch a shaper at work. This is one of my "still to buy" shop tools. Your scriber wasn't magnetized, the cast iron (or more likely ductile iron by the way the chips looked) were magnetized as part of the cutting process. I have noticed that any time I cut cast or ductile iron (whether drilling, milling, or lathe work) the chips or cuttings are magnetic. Probably something to do with the heat and stress created during the cutting process that realigns the magnetic field in the chips. Regards; Ron Kluwe
I do love the hypnotic sound of my shaper when it is doing its thing. Great tips on working cast iron dry. I found that one out a while back (the hard way). A deep cut recovered the piece to a nice finish. Looking forward to the next parts, Regards- Fred
Fred Miller Hi Fred, you have got to keep cast iron clean and dry, otherwise you are in for a world of hurt, as you found out. There is something hypnotic about a shaper, one of my favorite machines.
ILGopher No doubt about it! A shaper will put you to sleep. Be careful though, stay on your A game as a shaper can and will hurt you if you get lazy around it. Remember, the ram does not stop for anything.
Nice work. Have only seen shapers dormant in a distant corner of some commercial auctions, watching one in action is fascinating. I've got some cast angle blocks about the size of the smaller one you have there and have been contemplating how to square them up on my Bridgeport or the CNC knee mill, looking forward to the rest of this series.
The last guy I knew & met in my life there was a older man in his mid 70's that ran a old time shop and had a 24" shaper and a bigger one (don't remember the size). Probably since has gone to the toolroom in the sky. This was in the early 1990's. He also had a 16 and 24" South Bend on the proper line shaft driven by an electric motor..
Jay, Thanks for sharing some shaper action with us. I'll be waiting for Part 2! Did you mention snow in Mississippi? Everyone and there uncle is getting tons of snow and rain and we got dry ground and dead lawns . . . and hefty fines for illegal use of water! So it goes in CA. Have a good one! Dave
Abom79 Hi Adam, I'm enjoying the welding table videos a great deal. Fantastic work, that table is going to be the standard by which others are judged. Thanks for stopping by. Also, tell Gill, he grows the freaking best beard I have ever seen! I need to get down for another visit.
lol your shaper make my southbend shaper look small i don't use it much anymore that i got the mill but when i need to do internal key ways. anyway nice video and good use of some old iron, thanks josh
Great video James!.....gives me the fever to get "cracking" on the cleanup, and get my shapers in to service.....hope the fever turns in to action! I'm looking forward to the part where you hand scrape both of thme to finish up!.....is that by chance going to happen?
Jim Liechty Jim, did you say "Shapers" as in plural? More information is needed my friend. Do not leave your fellow shaper geeks in the dark! I will be scraping these in for flatness, and if I can find a decent granite knee I'll scrape them in for square as well.
This is a premier shaper video, even get to see the inside crank action!! Want me to send you my 8" face mill to borrow? That shaper is tediously slow. I would clamp those bad boys to over hang the table on the horizontal with your back edges against a stop, then you could mill the front edge and the back angle in two passes so they would all be equal and parallel to each other. then you could just move the cutter to the vertical overarm and mill the bottom without moving anything and you should be exactly 90deg and perfectly matched! :-)
I think that James want to show all of us some shaper porn action, the shaper is a little like curling, it doesn't look like it's working hard, but, underneath it's sweating big time... It's an interesting machine and there are jobs that it does well, just not the first machine you'd purchase to start your machining shop though...
bcbloc02 pierre beaudry Hi Brian, that is exactly what I am going to do after I rough off the scale. Pierre is ever more correct, sometimes you just want to run the shaper.
shapers are like model t's lots of fun to work on in your spare time and to drive once a year in a parade, but not for daily transportation. i did not notice a power downfeed ,did you handfeed ? how long did those roughing cuts take? i woild have like to have seen the set up and how you checked the casting to determine the sequence and depth of cuts. nice video.
larry sperling Yep Larry, all hand down feed. That vertical face probably took close to an hour. Really slow going at the end as the depth of cut got really wide.
J, I've never used a shaper and my sum knowledge of them comes from watching you. What would be your criteria for using this machine over the horizontal for example? Better finish, easier setup, squareness, tooling costs?
Peter Owens The primary benefit of a shaper is cheap tooling. I can scrape litterally tons of mill and casting scale off with a HSS tool blank that costs less than one carbide insert. It is also easy to get really nice flat surfaces if your knee support is properly adjusted, with some amazing surface finishes that approach grinding. However they are slooooooow. Mainly you use them because you love them.
James Kilroy I already told Adam that I think I would much rather watch paint dry than watch a shaper at work I would fear the monotonous, rhythmic sound would cause me to doze off while I was operating another piece of equipment. I imagine they made sense in busy shops so you could just let it grind away inexpensively in the background while you kept your mill freed up to earn the bigger bucks.
Could you not just mill the front edges the same width by clamping both blocks in the mill upside down, and milling off the front edge on both at the same time?
Loving the shaper porn jim, I have an ooollllddd rockford, before hydraulic it is a cranker too I wish there were more guys out there that actually ran them, im self teaching how to run dovetails on her..... Neat trick.....yes tediously slow Would love to see how you would run male and female matching dovetails on your ge,,,,,,, Thanks for the videos,,, awesome man Corey J In Iowa
HI your title are the words thats synonymous with a bloke called jimmy saville suggest u google him to find oot what hes done ,i but u change your greeting.
Great video. I love to see old machines working. Thanks for the video.
Thanks James for the shaper video I'm also a shaper fanatic and love watching them run.
Very interesting never had the privilege to see a shaper work before. Very informative.
thanks James, I haven't run a shaper since 1964 freshman high school.
After watching this series I'll have to finish rebuilding my Dad's Atlas # 7 and try it out.
Thanks again for the videos.
Jim
I had never thought about the chips being magnetized. Great tip.
Enjoyed....tks sharing
Hey James! I love seeing that shaper in action!
Great video.... Really looking forward to hand scrapping.
Cheers,
Dave
James , it takes a while but it does a great job ! Love it..
Nice video, James, thanks a lot. The Shaper is my favourite machine machine after the lathe, and this is one of the few vids I've seen that shows shaping operations in any detail.
Kosmos Horology Stay tuned, more shaper action coming up in the next video as well.
Great shaper video and nice to watch the setup we need more shaper vids.
Hi Jay. I think I sold you these angle plates on eBay. I am so pleased to see the videos! Great to know they went to good use, rather than sitting on someone else's floor. Thanks for sharing!
That looks like a fun project.
You guys that got shapers are lucky... I did some shaper work back in the day... I may just find have to go find one again for my shop based on this... Thanks James...
Nice to see that big shaper working. Mr. Pete has a good video of a smaller model, Atlas I believe.
It is an Interesting machine and project .I enjoy seeing old school machines
Hi James !
Oh,I have to go to the scrapyard to get some of these big cut off pieces of construntion T- and L- and maybe even H-beams to make some of these tools out of ,,, the vinter is preventing that at the moment, but soon it will be spring ... I hope !
Really nice work on that shaper !
Try looking for a shop that does steel fabrication for construction. You can ask some local contractors where they have there beams and columns made. Those shops will typically have nice cut offs that they usually can't use and which are just scrap. I can usually trade a coffee and a sandwich or pack of beer.
John Ferguson
Yeah, I found some ;.))
Very Cool James, always fun to see the shaper in action!
Hi James, Thanks for All the good vigs I know I have learned lots of tech from you. Would like more shaper vids. I bout one this year andneedto learn how to run it properly
Quite, quite fascinating to watch and listen to. I suspect that running and operating one is not just as simple as it seems!
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing more with this machine.
Good lessen for me there James, that is. Exactly! Wot I'm looking for, keep em coming buddy, I'm in thralled!! ;-))))
Thank you ;-))
Hi James,
Nice project! Love your big shaper, that thing is a brute compared to my little 200mm toolmakers shaper :)
Keep the good work up!
Stefan Gotteswinter Your little shaper is a work of art. I do enjoy your videos quite a bit. Its always nice to see someone else's setups for ideas. Thanks for stopping by.
what happened to your little shaper? you sold it ?
Thanks for the detailed description of the shaper's action. I truly enjoy seeing this machine working.
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Shaping up to be a chip off the old block?? ;-)
Always enjoy the shaper work James.
Colin ;-)
Waiting for a nice little shaper (something like an 8"Boxford) to become available in this area, they are so useful in the home shop. Last time I used one was some years ago on cast iron dividing head castings, think that machine was a twelve inch or a touch larger, I remember it made short shift of getting under the hard cast skin and chucked chips a couple of feet on to the workshop floor.
James;
Always cool to watch a shaper at work. This is one of my "still to buy" shop tools.
Your scriber wasn't magnetized, the cast iron (or more likely ductile iron by the way the chips looked) were magnetized as part of the cutting process. I have noticed that any time I cut cast or ductile iron (whether drilling, milling, or lathe work) the chips or cuttings are magnetic. Probably something to do with the heat and stress created during the cutting process that realigns the magnetic field in the chips.
Regards;
Ron Kluwe
I do love the hypnotic sound of my shaper when it is doing its thing. Great tips on working cast iron dry. I found that one out a while back (the hard way). A deep cut recovered the piece to a nice finish. Looking forward to the next parts, Regards- Fred
Fred Miller Hi Fred, you have got to keep cast iron clean and dry, otherwise you are in for a world of hurt, as you found out. There is something hypnotic about a shaper, one of my favorite machines.
I don't know what it is, but there's something addicting about watching that clapper go back and forth.
ILGopher No doubt about it! A shaper will put you to sleep. Be careful though, stay on your A game as a shaper can and will hurt you if you get lazy around it. Remember, the ram does not stop for anything.
Yeah, I think that would be an awful headache.
I do like the crank shaper. Remarkably simple machine. I had a 16" Whipp but I sold it. Perhaps one day I will buy another one.
All The Best!
Mike
Nice work. Have only seen shapers dormant in a distant corner of some commercial auctions, watching one in action is fascinating. I've got some cast angle blocks about the size of the smaller one you have there and have been contemplating how to square them up on my Bridgeport or the CNC knee mill, looking forward to the rest of this series.
YCM30cnc Stay tuned, my next video should offer plenty of ideas for your task.
Hi James,
Nice and slow shaper action, just right for a Sunday morning... lol
Pierre
pierre beaudry Nothing like a little "back and forth" action in the morning!
lol, mostly relaxed on Sunday
The last guy I knew & met in my life there was a older man in his mid 70's that ran a old time shop and had a 24" shaper and a bigger one (don't remember the size). Probably since has gone to the toolroom in the sky. This was in the early 1990's. He also had a 16 and 24" South Bend on the proper line shaft driven by an electric motor..
gbowne1 Those old tool room buys could work miracles with a shaper. Shops like that are few and far between now.
i used to want one now i need one!!!
a shaper, that is
m walton Yes you really do. Don't be afraid of a larger than hobby sized machine, say larger than 12" stroke.
Jay,
Thanks for sharing some shaper action with us. I'll be waiting for Part 2! Did you mention snow in Mississippi? Everyone and there uncle is getting tons of snow and rain and we got dry ground and dead lawns . . . and hefty fines for illegal use of water! So it goes in CA.
Have a good one!
Dave
Excellent video James !
Could there be a more soothing sound than the rhythmic strokes of a shaper running !
Ian
Now I want to cut metal on my shaper James. Good job on the angle plates. I'll stay tuned.
Adam
Abom79 Hi Adam, I'm enjoying the welding table videos a great deal. Fantastic work, that table is going to be the standard by which others are judged. Thanks for stopping by. Also, tell Gill, he grows the freaking best beard I have ever seen! I need to get down for another visit.
James Kilroy Thanks James!!! Get back down here, we still owe ya a dinner.
Gill
lol your shaper make my southbend shaper look small i don't use it much anymore that i got the mill but when i need to do internal key ways. anyway nice video and good use of some old iron, thanks josh
cool nice video.
Great video James!.....gives me the fever to get "cracking" on the cleanup, and get my shapers in to service.....hope the fever turns in to action! I'm looking forward to the part where you hand scrape both of thme to finish up!.....is that by chance going to happen?
Jim Liechty Jim, did you say "Shapers" as in plural? More information is needed my friend. Do not leave your fellow shaper geeks in the dark! I will be scraping these in for flatness, and if I can find a decent granite knee I'll scrape them in for square as well.
This is a premier shaper video, even get to see the inside crank action!! Want me to send you my 8" face mill to borrow? That shaper is tediously slow. I would clamp those bad boys to over hang the table on the horizontal with your back edges against a stop, then you could mill the front edge and the back angle in two passes so they would all be equal and parallel to each other. then you could just move the cutter to the vertical overarm and mill the bottom without moving anything and you should be exactly 90deg and perfectly matched! :-)
I have a cool 6" facemill that uses some interesting inserts that look like TPG322. Made by Lovejoy Tool. www.lovejoytool.com/
gbowne1
I have several Lovejoy facemills but mine all take round or square inserts. I didn't know they made ones for triangles too.
I think that James want to show all of us some shaper porn action, the shaper is a little like curling, it doesn't look like it's working hard, but, underneath it's sweating big time...
It's an interesting machine and there are jobs that it does well, just not the first machine you'd purchase to start your machining shop though...
bcbloc02 pierre beaudry Hi Brian, that is exactly what I am going to do after I rough off the scale. Pierre is ever more correct, sometimes you just want to run the shaper.
shapers are like model t's lots of fun to work on in your spare time and to drive once a year in a parade, but not for daily transportation. i did not notice a power downfeed ,did you handfeed ? how long did those roughing cuts take? i woild have like to have seen the set up and how you checked the casting to determine the sequence and depth of cuts. nice video.
larry sperling Yep Larry, all hand down feed. That vertical face probably took close to an hour. Really slow going at the end as the depth of cut got really wide.
nice james
Thanks for the in-and-out of shaper motion. Where do you acquire those cast iron angle blanks?
Thanks James!
Where did the casings come from? Did I miss that?
J, I've never used a shaper and my sum knowledge of them comes from watching you. What would be your criteria for using this machine over the horizontal for example? Better finish, easier setup, squareness, tooling costs?
Peter Owens The primary benefit of a shaper is cheap tooling. I can scrape litterally tons of mill and casting scale off with a HSS tool blank that costs less than one carbide insert. It is also easy to get really nice flat surfaces if your knee support is properly adjusted, with some amazing surface finishes that approach grinding. However they are slooooooow. Mainly you use them because you love them.
James Kilroy
I already told Adam that I think I would much rather watch paint dry than watch a shaper at work
I would fear the monotonous, rhythmic sound would cause me to doze off while I was operating another piece of equipment.
I imagine they made sense in busy shops so you could just let it grind away inexpensively in the background while you kept your mill freed up to earn the bigger bucks.
Could you not just mill the front edges the same width by clamping both blocks in the mill upside down, and milling off the front edge on both at the same time?
Where did you purchase the angle plates Randy?Ron in ohio
on some of the cuts it sound like the tool is rubbing a lot on the back stroke?
Lasse Langwadt Christensen There was a hard spot in the casting that gave me a little grief. Had to cut down below it to get to good material.
Is there a (known) reason or cause for the angle plate to be so out of square to begin with James ?
+Doug Bourdo Draft is the casting so that the pattern can be pulled from the old sand without damaging the imprint.
+James Kilroy Thanks
Thanx for the shaper porn James!!
Makes me want one even more.
Regards,
Duck
camojoe2 You go Duck, get out there and save a couple from becoming Hondas.
Loving the shaper porn jim,
I have an ooollllddd rockford, before hydraulic it is a cranker too
I wish there were more guys out there that actually ran them, im self teaching how to run dovetails on her.....
Neat trick.....yes tediously slow
Would love to see how you would run male and female matching dovetails on your ge,,,,,,,
Thanks for the videos,,, awesome man
Corey J
In Iowa
IF YOU FIND THE GUY THAT SHOT YOUR TRUCK PUT HIS HEAD IN THAT AND TURN IT ON. LOL
Mack McCurry That would be messy!
But FUN. LOL
Mack McCurry The guy was caught, tried, and shipped off to be a guest of the state for a few years. Not his first time around the block.
GOOD.
HI your title are the words thats synonymous with a bloke called jimmy saville suggest u google him to find oot what hes done ,i but u change your greeting.
stanley gray 'Angle Plate Castings' is synonymous with Jimmy Saville? I don't want in any way to be associated with that nut case.
I wouldnt associate you with that bastard i enjoy your videos and skill in your workshop