I'll say it ... If the Danny Elfman Spider-man Main Theme is used in No Way Home, the collective screaming in cinemas around the world will be heard from the Moon. Post-NWH Edit: So ... anyone watched the film yet? Because the Moon certainly heard the screaming.
I don't think it's just the best Marvel score, I legit think it's the greatest superhero score of all time. John Williams' Superman theme is iconic but it doesn't invoke the same emotions that the Elfman's Spiderman theme does for me personally.
Exactly why theaters around the world are absolutely gonna EXPLODE if this theme starts playing in "No Way Home" and Tobey comes swinging on to the screen.
For this reason, I hope the new Spider-Man movie contains some musical themes from the original trilogy. It's much more than simple nostalgia. There *is* deep meaning behind the music.
True . Peter's theme representing the idea of what makes peter Parker unique and different will really hit home. And I have faith in Michael. He beautifully reimagined star wars themes in rogue one
@@SgtSega Yes, but I mean during the movie. If Tobey were to appear on screen they should play Elfman’s theme. Same goes for Willem Dafoe’s Green Goblin and Alfred Molina’s Doc Ock.
I've never even seen those movies, but even when the video played only a few seconds of the batman theme at the beginning of the video, i recognized it from the Lego Batman games that I haven't played in years.
@@starwarsorsomething5703 I have seen the films, but hearing Elfman's theme makes me visualize the intro to Lego Batman in my head extremely vividly, beat for beat.
Beautifully put, well done. Elfman's a genius, you captured his intentions perfectly. You could just listen to his scores without knowing anything about what the movie is about, yet you'd still somehow 'feel' exactly what's being portrayed.
Absolutely, 100%! To this day, my most memorable superhero movie moment of all time is when we see the black suit Spider-Man for the first time on the side of that building. Chills. Every. Time.
I love Elfman's use of choir, he really uses it as part of the orchestra instead of just doing an occasional "ominous gothic chanting" sting. Choir is so underrated in scoring and it's weird because people seem to love it whenever it does appear (I think it's a big part of why people love Japanese game soundtracks, like Dark Souls')
Not to mention Japanese cartoons like Attack on Titan where the use of choirs are huge. Danny Elfman in my opinion made made absolutely crucial that a good Batman's soundtrack needs to have some kind of gothic choir.
@@razahyder8541 And Battle of the Heroes! Love that one Actually, just everywhere in the prequels. The choir is what makes those movies have some of the best film music to me. Especially in RotS
I’ve always known that the Spider-Man theme is incredible. The score for Spider-Man 2 makes me tear up every time I hear it. And it’s honestly why I think I have a hard time connecting to the new Spider-Man movies, it’s just hard to watch a Spider-Man film without this amazing music.
That's why this will always be the definitive cinematic version of Spider-Man. Such an amazing mixture of direction, acting and score to create a powerful version of the Spider-Man mythos. When I was a kid, I cheered with the music in the uplifting moment and now as an adult it's impossible to not get emotional at the slow-paced, sad parts where the music brings us such weight. I love the two first parts of this trilogy with all my heart.
It's funny; having grown up with 90s Elfman scores like Batman, Darkman, and Edward Scissorhands, I initially felt underwhelmed with the Spider-Man score when that film came out. But as time passed I've come to appreciate it so much more. The Farewell theme at the end of the film is a masterpiece. At the end of the day, the heart of Spider-Man is, in fact, his heart. That's why Farewell works for me.
To me Supermans theme captures the idea of a Hero, that is unshakeable, hard to beat but Human in a sense. Jokers theme captures the threat of the character, Avengers captures the theme of Triumph and unification of Heroes, but Spider-Mans theme in the Raimi series captures the Duality of The hero, The Human side and the Consequences of being a hero.
I always thought that the scene in Spider-Man 3 where he wakes up in the symbiote suite for the first time was one of the greatest scenes in Spider-Man history. The music is just so raw and epic as it pans out to show Peter in the black suite. The music is powerful, and it makes us feel powerful just as the suite does the same for Peter.
I know that Elfman is well known - but I still feel like he is more underrated than he should be. I loved the Spiderman score instantly. And out of all his works I will go to war to say that his Batman score is the best superhero score ever written.
Absolutely, 100%! To this day, my most memorable superhero movie moment of all time is when we see the black suit Spider-Man for the first time on the side of that building. Chills. Every. Time.
It's probably worth talking about why it is that we get great scores on some occasions and not on others, and how it's not simply about the skill or talent of the composers. Temp tracking, severely reduced time, limitations on hiring musicians, and studio/director meddling all play significant roles in hampering composers and keeping audiences from hearing better scores. Elfman's work on Spider-Man, like the work from Williams or Shore or Goldsmith, is often about composer agency, a collaborative relationship with a good director, and producers and executives seeing a good score as a worthy investment in contributing to the overall quality and enjoyability of a film.
The hulks theme in that movie fits his character so well, I’d say it’s the closest comic book adaptation of the hulk we’ve seen, regardless of it being received not too well.
How do you do it? I watched this movie so many times as a kid, don’t think it ever made me emotional, but your video has got me choking up a little. Your ability to draw out the deeper emotional content in stories and music is a gift. Also, I think it’s because seeing this reminds me how good movies used to be, how they used to be uplifting and draw on a true part of the human experience, universal truths and morals... Hollywood rarely seems to find this lately. Thank you for sharing your appreciation for this movie, makes me want to watch it again.
Thank you so much Pierre-Alain! The funny thing is, this was always a movie I loved but didn't know quite why. It was only when I re-watched it about a month ago that I started to make all of the connections between the themes and Peter. And then, when I found Danny Elfman's interview confirming that there were two themes, I just knew I had to make this video. It's really a love letter to the music of my childhood.
@@ListeningIn That’s wonderful, Barnaby! I love that idea. The music of our childhood can have such an impact. Have you ever seen “Saving Mr. Banks?” I balled like a baby watching that movie, and I think it was because there was a touching story overlaid with the old songs from Mary Poppins. That connection to childhood made the story particularly poignant I think. “Let’s go fly a kite” is one of those songs that just rips my heart out now... the lyrics likely have as much to do with it as the music itself. But at this point, they are forever entangled, like a musical topic (horn call=heroism, drone=pastoral, etc).
Have you seen listening in's video on 'how howard shore makes us care' video? If you haven't I'd highly suggest watching it if this video made you emotional. Truly amazing and beautiful analysis in that video!
This theme is my childhood. But it’s really important to the movies. The spiderman theme definitely cements that horns goes well with superheroes. That it’s loud and proud and magnicient. But the Peter Parker theme is more homely, it reminds us of how normal Peter is and it’s also reminiscient of NYC. Peter’s theme is that of a person, so the fact that the two themes combine is a really good sign of the two faces of the character. Under the mask is a regular guy, exactly what the comics were meant to show.
One thing is certain: with or without Tobey Maguire, Marvel NEEDS to play at least the original Green Goblin and Dock Ock themes. But if Tobey appears and his music play, I will cry like a baby.
@@lakenalexander5334 Yes... and no. I mean, I was insanely happy to see Tobey when he showed up, but something about the direction didn't let me cry like I wanted. I felt his first appearance was very uninspired. His original theme played only once too, I think, and was pretty short :/ But I did cry when he got stabbed, because I thought my childhood hero would die right there. But then the script just forgets about it lol. Still a great movie tho.
The first time I saw UP I immediately fell in love with the music. That is a masterclass in how a score can use a main theme so effectively. Just listen to "memories can weigh you down"
The great thing about this entire score is it's modular. You could literally rip it apart and use it to score an entire Spider-Man movie from start to finish and there's so much little details in it that'll cement it as one of the greatest superhero movie scores of all time. And as a musician, the complexity in it is just something to admire and appreciate.
Sam Raimi's trilogy simply putted standards in my personal taste about super hero movies that are rarely met on most of them nowadays. For example: -At least three memorable fight scenes between the hero and the villain where you could skip the movie just to see them (I did it all the time as a kid). Nowadays they do very small cool scenes mixed with normal ones and just a tiny meh final battle (usually too fast, anticlimactic and unsatisfying). -A memorable theme for the hero that will be consistent throughout all movies and a memorable theme for the villains as well who also will be consistent to them through the movies, even if on just a tiny mentioning or appearance of them (like Green Goblin during Spider-Man 2 and 3). -A cool introduction and/or ending showing the hero in action, his powers or in the case of Spider-Man, swinging around the city. -Depth, emotion, occasional darkness to counteract the goofness, light hearted and humorous parts of super-hero movies and etc... Movies nowadays, specially the ones from MCU are terrible at things like this, with the exception of one or two of them. I really miss more super hero movies that doesn't look like a processed junk food and instead are a whole full real meal with all kinds of colors and tastes... Movies like Sam Raimi's trilogy, Nolan's Batman, and even the old ones like the classic Superman and Batman movies. Man of Steel, some imperfections aside, got really close to almost meet these standards. I still remember when I was watching it that I noticed that it has been a really long time since I saw a super hero movie with an actually decent and relatively long fight scenes where it was actually cool seeing both kryptonians beating each other while flying through the skyscrapers of Metropolis. No to mention the Hans Zimmer masterpiece of a perfect soundtrack.
It’s taken some time for me to realize but we were spoiled with these early 2000’s superhero films. They’re putting out some less thoughtful stuff today but lightning hardly strikes more than a few times.
@@grega3611 For real, Spider-Man 1 and 2 and then Batman Begins and TDK set the bar really high for what a superhero movie could be. The MCU has rarely if ever matched that quality and I've learned to live with the disappointment that they have no desire to make great movies despite dominating the genre. They're like The Big Bang Theory of movies. I will say though that I don't think it's difficult for a good writer/director to make a great superhero movie like Raimi and Nolan did. There just isn't enough will to do it, and if there is, the wrong people keep making them. Zack Snyder was a horrible choice to make Man of Steel and the DCEU. His Justice League was mostly good but everything else he did was awful.
I know it's a personal achievement for me that I can confidently say "I know every score of the mcu and which character that score belongs to" but the fact that the Raimi trilogy is a film I could accurately hmm the music to whilst the film plays on mute for each scene is a testament for how well it has aged and overall how good it is
Danny’s score will always make me emotional along with the acting and story. What a good FILM because it’s what a real film feels like especially from 2002
There has been many good or serviceable renditions of the Spider-Man theme over the decades but Danny Elfman’s theme still stuck with me all this years and it’s my definitive theme for Spider-Man and Peter. It’s just one of those lightning in the bottle moments.
Elfman brings a melancholy to this Spider-Man movie that none of the new versions have. There is some really close resemblance between this score and the first Batman one, which I quite like.
Yeah except what he said about there being only one batman theme when Justice league was being made and he was brought on for the soundtrack was shallow, narrow minded and arrogant. As if to say all other batman themes are inferior to his. I lost alot of respect for him for this. Hans zimmer and Junky XLs BvS batman score is iconic and beautiful in its own way. Elfmans arrogant attitude was disgusting.
@@coreymckee4844 nah, there's no score in bvs that stuck in my mind. the only 2 dceu themes i can remember are superman's theme in mos and flash in the speed force. elfman's themes are way superior.
what a freaking awesome video!! I didnt know my love for this movie could be any bigger, but yet again, thanks to this video, I found a new way of loving it even more. Subbed for sure. great explenation and analysis 👍
For the first time, I have found a video that dissects one of my key childhood movies in a way that makes me fully understand why I feel the way I do about it. This movie is a gift for everyone who watches it and it was before a time that the big budget hero flick was a regular thing. This instead is a well crafted treat that everyone can relate to and be inspired by. The music is literally 50% of this film and you've described it in a way I couldn't have thought. Guess I gotta re-watch the old trilogy again now.
Great video. I actually wrote a thesis paper on Danny Elfman's music for Spider-Man 2002 and 2004. It is a fantastic piece of music and I was saddened that it didn't receive a nomination at the Academy, it should've won every year it was released. It is easily one of the most complex pieces of music in any modern movie. The layering is literal genius. And it is certainly without a doubt Danny Elfman's best work, ever.
I am disappointed that marvel fails to realize that the use of music could drastically change the pacing of their films. Thank you for further explaining. The music is a main reason why I love Sam Raimi's trilogy. My true Spider Man ❤
But wait what about the Nickelback end credits song! Seriously, though, this movie did so much so well that it was easy to take the music for granted. Thank you for letting us re-experience all the richness that was there.
I watched Spiderman 2 recently and was struck by how incredible the score is, it really is the best of all Marvel scores. I hope that they include it in No Way Home (if the rumors are true and Tobey will be in it)
I'd love to see a video on the current Spider-Man movies with Giacchino at the helm, especially now that there is the link of Elfman starting Spider-Man, and Giacchino doing it now, but also since Raimi took over the Doctor Strange sequel, Elfman is now in charge of that score, and is using the base score from Giacchino on the first one. probably the only person I trust to put out an equal work to the original (if not better)
The back and forth between Giacchino and Elfman in MCU scores is a weird coincidence. Having them actually collaborate on a future film would be interesting.
And following many leaks, Tobey's spidey might end up being in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness... It will be all back together, like the good o'l days. Also I find it ironic that Raimi referenced Doctor Strange in his Spidey movies as a joke, just to end up a decade later working on a Doctor Strange movie...
Thank you for this. I've long heralded Danny Elfman's spiderman theme as probably the greatest superhero score ever written. Yes, even better than Elfman's iconic Batman theme and William's superman theme. As much as people acclaim Raimi's first two films, not enough people praise the music. With just the opening Suite, Elfman captures the excitement and thrill of swinging amongst skyscrapers, the bravery and heroism of Spiderman, the foreboding, threatening danger of his enemies, and the humanity, vulnerability and responsibility of Peter Parker. With beautiful, memorable melodies. All accomplished in less than 4 minutes. No superhero score has been able to so completely encapsulate the complexity and essence of one character. This is what's missing from Horner's and Giacchino's Spiderman themes. They only evoke the heroic fanfare, without being able to capture the nuance and depth behind the character. Even Elfman's main 'hero motif', whilst only 3 notes, does not sound overly optimistic and simple - it has some ambiguity and complexity to its modality. It makes it feel so much more mature of a score, as opposed to the more innocent themes Horner and Giacchino came up with. It might just be Elfman's best work.
I love how the scores only get better as the films get on and more characters, themes and ideas intertwine. Each motif is unique but none feel out of place in the context of the series as a whole.
Music touches you, and this song is proof of that. It understands the character of Peter Parker, expresses his emotions felt in the film, and has a rise-and-fall theme that reflects our hero's journey throughout this and the later movies. It's a journey, a story in music form that we (the audience/listeners) follow.
Danny Elfmann's responsibility theme for the Raimi movies will always be the best superhero music score ever produced the emotion that it evokes is something I can't explain in words
I wrote a deep dive analysis about this score and I cant believe that I got so much right. Elfman is a true genius who can tell a story musically, how a boy learns from his mistakes and grows into a hero. Learning from that tragic mistake and rising from it.
Thanks for doing this, whenever I stumble upon any of the Raimi Spider Man films on Netflix I literally open them just to listen and watch the intro because it's just that good
Everytime I hear the transition from Spider-Man's theme to Peter Parker's theme, I tear up a bit. Such a great score. On a sidenote: Please do an analysis of the score of Attack on Titan by composer Hiroyuki Sawano! :D
This is an incredible analysis! Visually, it's really impressive and engaging. And as someone who already knows the score and the themes very well I still learned some new things, and it's always great to see such a fresh yet pure interpretation of its meaning. Great work!
"Blake Neely" is underrated, dark archer and reverse flash theme are masterpieces and unique. Especially the sad part of the dark archer theme is just amazing.
The “Don’t start without me” part always makes me sad because it’s one of the last times Peter has a happy moment with Uncle Ben And then the penultimate scene when Uncle Ben dies is even more saddening
After watching 'no way home', i thought elfman's score is undeniably the best score ever with 'watchful guardian' of dark knight in history of super hero movies. In 2002, the score told us exactly who the spiderman and peter parker is. And 2021, it makes us cry with joy. Thanks for your video.
Always loved this score. Batman Returns’ score is also a masterpiece. Even though the Penguin is depicted as a manipulative monster in the script, the score makes you sympathize with him.
i knew it! i grew up with this film and i always think that the music is one of the reason why sam raimi's spiderman is a masterpiece. every emotion pete feels has such an emotional theme. it feels like i can relate to the burden peter carries as spiderman while also caring his family and friends. this is a great video
Elfman is an absolute legend. I’ve read plenty of comments from people saying they can visualize being Spider-Man when listening to the theme so he accomplished what he intended.
When I was 13 yrs old i set Peter's/Responsibility theme as alarm on my phone, now i am 16, still wakes up listening to it. It reminds me to be a responsible teen, Prepares me and helps me to get ready for everything thing coming next.
Well Done. Danny Elfman's Spider-Man Theme Score Analysis is Amazing. You said with your Words, what makes this Theme Score a Masterpiece and what defines the Heroic Soul of Peter Parker/Spider-Man.
As someone who's always loved this theme and story it's nice to see someone elegantly explain why the music and movies resonate. Amazing work! Thank You!
There are moments while listening to that score where you literally feel like you’re crawling up a wall, which is exactly what Elfman did with Batman and John Williams did with Superman. They made you feel like you were hiding in the shadows or flying with a red cape.
SpiderMan was my first favorite super hero movie before Marvel claimed the stage, and i think it was largely because of the music. your commentary is wonderfully insightful, and it satisfies some type of nostalgia i’ve always had for it but now in words 💙
I absolutely agree. Every time the topic comes around I always talk about how this score set the standard in super hero movies for me. Is not only one of the best super hero scores ever, is one of the best scores, period.
Love the analysis of this. While my opinion differs in terms of “best” score of a superhero movie, I appreciate the way you broke down the function and methodology of Elfman’s work. It is definitely a masterpiece.
Danny Elfman's music for Spiderman holds a special place in my heart. I just started learning music theory and your video is so insightful. I didn't know I could love the theme more, but now I do.
The scene in Spider-Man 3 where Peter opens the suitcase where the Spider-Man suit is hidden away in at the end of the movie is the most chilling use of the theme song.
This theme is amazing because it works for the whole film,the new themes work for the action and they can be good but this theme is different that’s what makes it as good as it is
Something about the 3 notes in Peter’s & MJ’s thème makes me think of the love triangle between Peter, MJ & Harry, but also the complex of Peter having to handle being Peter & Spiderman, and being in a relationship with MJ
I'll say it ... If the Danny Elfman Spider-man Main Theme is used in No Way Home, the collective screaming in cinemas around the world will be heard from the Moon.
Post-NWH Edit: So ... anyone watched the film yet?
Because the Moon certainly heard the screaming.
Gave me chills pal!
Cue music before Tobey swings in...theaters everywhere go wild! 😜
I want a remix from the 3 themes
Maybe can happen only in Tobey Tobey scene.
I'm really hope it will in some way make an appearance
I don't think it's just the best Marvel score, I legit think it's the greatest superhero score of all time. John Williams' Superman theme is iconic but it doesn't invoke the same emotions that the Elfman's Spiderman theme does for me personally.
Agreed, it’s the full package. It tells a whole story while a lot of other superhero themes just announce their presence.
Exactly why theaters around the world are absolutely gonna EXPLODE if this theme starts playing in "No Way Home" and Tobey comes swinging on to the screen.
Don’t forget The Dark Knight
I think danny elfman`s batman theme is better but both are great
The dark knight score easily beats this
And now Elfman is back with Raimi in Multiverse of Madness, which is going to be nuts.
Raimi is involved with spiderman in the mcu?
@@micah7492 I heard he had some say on the story of No Way Home since is connected to Multiverse of Madness, not sure if it’s true.
@@yungblink I hope its true
He isn’t back, Micheal Giacchino is composing more Spider-Man 😀
@@23236638 He is in Doctor Strange.
For this reason, I hope the new Spider-Man movie contains some musical themes from the original trilogy. It's much more than simple nostalgia. There *is* deep meaning behind the music.
True . Peter's theme representing the idea of what makes peter Parker unique and different will really hit home. And I have faith in Michael. He beautifully reimagined star wars themes in rogue one
It won't. It keeps using the 60s TV show theme
@@SgtSega That was just the trailer…
@@changeabletornado2828 It's played during the Marvel logo
@@SgtSega Yes, but I mean during the movie. If Tobey were to appear on screen they should play Elfman’s theme. Same goes for Willem Dafoe’s Green Goblin and Alfred Molina’s Doc Ock.
Elfman’s Batman score is arguably more iconic than Zimmer’s Joker score.
I've never even seen those movies, but even when the video played only a few seconds of the batman theme at the beginning of the video, i recognized it from the Lego Batman games that I haven't played in years.
@@starwarsorsomething5703 I have seen the films, but hearing Elfman's theme makes me visualize the intro to Lego Batman in my head extremely vividly, beat for beat.
I disagree.
I agree.
EXACTLY
Beautifully put, well done. Elfman's a genius, you captured his intentions perfectly. You could just listen to his scores without knowing anything about what the movie is about, yet you'd still somehow 'feel' exactly what's being portrayed.
Makes it all the more baffling the score he put out for the theatrical cut of Justice League which just sounded like unused demos from Age of Ultron.
Absolutely, 100%! To this day, my most memorable superhero movie moment of all time is when we see the black suit Spider-Man for the first time on the side of that building. Chills. Every. Time.
TBH this is the best Marvel score : ua-cam.com/video/iik25wqIuFo/v-deo.html HOWEVER THIS IS JUST MY OPINION PLZZ DONT ATTACK
@@abhinavaditya3516 I agree with you :) it’s such a good score.
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I love Elfman's use of choir, he really uses it as part of the orchestra instead of just doing an occasional "ominous gothic chanting" sting. Choir is so underrated in scoring and it's weird because people seem to love it whenever it does appear (I think it's a big part of why people love Japanese game soundtracks, like Dark Souls')
Also in Duel of the Fates!
A great example of choir is used by John Powell in X-men 3, that’s well used in the scenes with Jean grey
Not to mention Japanese cartoons like Attack on Titan where the use of choirs are huge.
Danny Elfman in my opinion made made absolutely crucial that a good Batman's soundtrack needs to have some kind of gothic choir.
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@@razahyder8541 And Battle of the Heroes! Love that one
Actually, just everywhere in the prequels. The choir is what makes those movies have some of the best film music to me. Especially in RotS
I’ve always known that the Spider-Man theme is incredible. The score for Spider-Man 2 makes me tear up every time I hear it. And it’s honestly why I think I have a hard time connecting to the new Spider-Man movies, it’s just hard to watch a Spider-Man film without this amazing music.
When the horns play and you see that gravestone that’s says “Ben Parker”
This is everything a true Spider-man fan wants ua-cam.com/video/8X38TXyDPJ4/v-deo.html. you won't be disappointed.
@@joshuaalejandro42 spider man 1-3 will always be the best. I won't even bother watching the others
No Way Home really gives the 2002 movie a run for its money in terms of score. Giaccino really wrote some good motifs that got to shine
@@sivad1025 indeed. The final swing in NWH with that ost gave me chills.
Finally, someone who recognizes that this is THE BEST MOVIE THEME EVER
That's why this will always be the definitive cinematic version of Spider-Man. Such an amazing mixture of direction, acting and score to create a powerful version of the Spider-Man mythos. When I was a kid, I cheered with the music in the uplifting moment and now as an adult it's impossible to not get emotional at the slow-paced, sad parts where the music brings us such weight. I love the two first parts of this trilogy with all my heart.
Yesss absolutely!
Yes, I love the new spuderman but there's something so magical about these films especially with the score
That's why it is the greatest superhero movies of all time
5:50 is definitely the most powerful feeling in all movies 😪
It's funny; having grown up with 90s Elfman scores like Batman, Darkman, and Edward Scissorhands, I initially felt underwhelmed with the Spider-Man score when that film came out. But as time passed I've come to appreciate it so much more. The Farewell theme at the end of the film is a masterpiece. At the end of the day, the heart of Spider-Man is, in fact, his heart. That's why Farewell works for me.
This is everything a true Spider-man fan wants ua-cam.com/video/8X38TXyDPJ4/v-deo.html. you won't be disappointed.
That Responsibility theme is quite simply the greatest theme ever. Epic, Glorious and full of Goosebumps
20 years later and people still find a way to talk about this movie. The Raimi trilogy is so damn GOOD!!!
Spider-Man score was the first score that made me memorise the composer from the credits.
To me Supermans theme captures the idea of a Hero, that is unshakeable, hard to beat but Human in a sense. Jokers theme captures the threat of the character, Avengers captures the theme of Triumph and unification of Heroes, but Spider-Mans theme in the Raimi series captures the Duality of The hero, The Human side and the Consequences of being a hero.
I always thought that the scene in Spider-Man 3 where he wakes up in the symbiote suite for the first time was one of the greatest scenes in Spider-Man history. The music is just so raw and epic as it pans out to show Peter in the black suite. The music is powerful, and it makes us feel powerful just as the suite does the same for Peter.
A dark triumph.
Damn yes. I remember magazines and newspaper talks about the new black Spidey suit
I know that Elfman is well known - but I still feel like he is more underrated than he should be. I loved the Spiderman score instantly. And out of all his works I will go to war to say that his Batman score is the best superhero score ever written.
Absolutely, 100%! To this day, my most memorable superhero movie moment of all time is when we see the black suit Spider-Man for the first time on the side of that building. Chills. Every. Time.
@@ComedyBros5 and a lot of people dont know is that elfman didn't score spiderman 3
@@bigwhopper6501 he scored some of it but it was mostly Christopher young? (Forgot his last name)
Some people also don’t realize that Christopher Young did the theme in Spider-Man 2 where he fights ock and then stops the train
@@Albino_Basilisk no he didn’t
It's probably worth talking about why it is that we get great scores on some occasions and not on others, and how it's not simply about the skill or talent of the composers. Temp tracking, severely reduced time, limitations on hiring musicians, and studio/director meddling all play significant roles in hampering composers and keeping audiences from hearing better scores. Elfman's work on Spider-Man, like the work from Williams or Shore or Goldsmith, is often about composer agency, a collaborative relationship with a good director, and producers and executives seeing a good score as a worthy investment in contributing to the overall quality and enjoyability of a film.
The best music is Bully Maguire’s theme
Yes
i’m gonna put some dirt in your eye
It’s also the most memorable in my opinion.
EVERYBODY!
I missed the part where that’s my problem
Every time I listen to Spider-man's theme I tear up in the beginning and when Peter's theme comes up.
Music itself is already so powerful, but with visuals to compliment it, it's something extraordinary.
Nice qoute
someone finally said it!
Danny Elfman's work in The Hulk is also remarkable
The score on Hulk is so good, that the style of it is so different even from Elfman’s other work.
The hulks theme in that movie fits his character so well, I’d say it’s the closest comic book adaptation of the hulk we’ve seen, regardless of it being received not too well.
@@tonyalvarado6803 true that
Yeah Huge 90's fan here....HULK - The Lonely Man
Yes
How do you do it? I watched this movie so many times as a kid, don’t think it ever made me emotional, but your video has got me choking up a little. Your ability to draw out the deeper emotional content in stories and music is a gift. Also, I think it’s because seeing this reminds me how good movies used to be, how they used to be uplifting and draw on a true part of the human experience, universal truths and morals... Hollywood rarely seems to find this lately.
Thank you for sharing your appreciation for this movie, makes me want to watch it again.
Thank you so much Pierre-Alain! The funny thing is, this was always a movie I loved but didn't know quite why. It was only when I re-watched it about a month ago that I started to make all of the connections between the themes and Peter. And then, when I found Danny Elfman's interview confirming that there were two themes, I just knew I had to make this video. It's really a love letter to the music of my childhood.
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That’s wonderful, Barnaby! I love that idea. The music of our childhood can have such an impact. Have you ever seen “Saving Mr. Banks?” I balled like a baby watching that movie, and I think it was because there was a touching story overlaid with the old songs from Mary Poppins. That connection to childhood made the story particularly poignant I think. “Let’s go fly a kite” is one of those songs that just rips my heart out now... the lyrics likely have as much to do with it as the music itself. But at this point, they are forever entangled, like a musical topic (horn call=heroism, drone=pastoral, etc).
Have you seen listening in's video on 'how howard shore makes us care' video? If you haven't I'd highly suggest watching it if this video made you emotional. Truly amazing and beautiful analysis in that video!
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😂 I’m the one who wrote, “I’m not crying, you’re crying!” On the comments on that video. (My other channel)
@@CreativeIsolation Pierre!? Hello There hahaha!
This theme is my childhood. But it’s really important to the movies. The spiderman theme definitely cements that horns goes well with superheroes. That it’s loud and proud and magnicient. But the Peter Parker theme is more homely, it reminds us of how normal Peter is and it’s also reminiscient of NYC. Peter’s theme is that of a person, so the fact that the two themes combine is a really good sign of the two faces of the character. Under the mask is a regular guy, exactly what the comics were meant to show.
A score that still gives me chills almost 20 years on. Perfectly captures the ethos, purpose and action of the character.
One thing is certain: with or without Tobey Maguire, Marvel NEEDS to play at least the original Green Goblin and Dock Ock themes. But if Tobey appears and his music play, I will cry like a baby.
Did you cry like a baby? I must know
@@lakenalexander5334 Yes... and no.
I mean, I was insanely happy to see Tobey when he showed up, but something about the direction didn't let me cry like I wanted. I felt his first appearance was very uninspired. His original theme played only once too, I think, and was pretty short :/
But I did cry when he got stabbed, because I thought my childhood hero would die right there. But then the script just forgets about it lol.
Still a great movie tho.
Well atleast they played Doc Ock's theme
Basically the best super hero score ever. There´s no discussion.
Spider-Man 2? Otto's music tho
i think the Dark Knight is a step better, but on Marvel side yes, it's the best absolutely
Superman?
I'd say Into the Spider Verse was better imo
@@user-wy3ow4yc6e that was a great score too
I would also love to see Pixar's UP and Ratatouille music analyzed.
He already did Up
ua-cam.com/video/YRM3HwFM9Yc/v-deo.html there you go
Michael Giacchino’s work on some of those Pixar movies is untouchable
The first time I saw UP I immediately fell in love with the music. That is a masterclass in how a score can use a main theme so effectively. Just listen to "memories can weigh you down"
The great thing about this entire score is it's modular. You could literally rip it apart and use it to score an entire Spider-Man movie from start to finish and there's so much little details in it that'll cement it as one of the greatest superhero movie scores of all time. And as a musician, the complexity in it is just something to admire and appreciate.
One of the monumental scores from my childhood along with Jurassic Park, LOTR and Harry Potter to shape who I am today. It goes beyond the movie.
Sam Raimi's trilogy simply putted standards in my personal taste about super hero movies that are rarely met on most of them nowadays.
For example:
-At least three memorable fight scenes between the hero and the villain where you could skip the movie just to see them (I did it all the time as a kid). Nowadays they do very small cool scenes mixed with normal ones and just a tiny meh final battle (usually too fast, anticlimactic and unsatisfying).
-A memorable theme for the hero that will be consistent throughout all movies and a memorable theme for the villains as well who also will be consistent to them through the movies, even if on just a tiny mentioning or appearance of them (like Green Goblin during Spider-Man 2 and 3).
-A cool introduction and/or ending showing the hero in action, his powers or in the case of Spider-Man, swinging around the city.
-Depth, emotion, occasional darkness to counteract the goofness, light hearted and humorous parts of super-hero movies and etc...
Movies nowadays, specially the ones from MCU are terrible at things like this, with the exception of one or two of them. I really miss more super hero movies that doesn't look like a processed junk food and instead are a whole full real meal with all kinds of colors and tastes... Movies like Sam Raimi's trilogy, Nolan's Batman, and even the old ones like the classic Superman and Batman movies.
Man of Steel, some imperfections aside, got really close to almost meet these standards. I still remember when I was watching it that I noticed that it has been a really long time since I saw a super hero movie with an actually decent and relatively long fight scenes where it was actually cool seeing both kryptonians beating each other while flying through the skyscrapers of Metropolis. No to mention the Hans Zimmer masterpiece of a perfect soundtrack.
This is everything a true Spider-man fan wants ua-cam.com/video/8X38TXyDPJ4/v-deo.html. you won't be disappointed.
I agree with the Man of Steel portion. It has flaws, but you’d be a liar if you said the fight scenes were bad.
It’s taken some time for me to realize but we were spoiled with these early 2000’s superhero films. They’re putting out some less thoughtful stuff today but lightning hardly strikes more than a few times.
@@grega3611 For real, Spider-Man 1 and 2 and then Batman Begins and TDK set the bar really high for what a superhero movie could be. The MCU has rarely if ever matched that quality and I've learned to live with the disappointment that they have no desire to make great movies despite dominating the genre. They're like The Big Bang Theory of movies.
I will say though that I don't think it's difficult for a good writer/director to make a great superhero movie like Raimi and Nolan did. There just isn't enough will to do it, and if there is, the wrong people keep making them. Zack Snyder was a horrible choice to make Man of Steel and the DCEU. His Justice League was mostly good but everything else he did was awful.
I know it's a personal achievement for me that I can confidently say "I know every score of the mcu and which character that score belongs to"
but the fact that the Raimi trilogy is a film I could accurately hmm the music to whilst the film plays on mute for each scene is a testament for how well it has aged and overall how good it is
this is by far one of the best film scores ever...Elfman is a genius...
Danny’s score will always make me emotional along with the acting and story. What a good FILM because it’s what a real film feels like especially from 2002
There has been many good or serviceable renditions of the Spider-Man theme over the decades but Danny Elfman’s theme still stuck with me all this years and it’s my definitive theme for Spider-Man and Peter. It’s just one of those lightning in the bottle moments.
Elfman brings a melancholy to this Spider-Man movie that none of the new versions have. There is some really close resemblance between this score and the first Batman one, which I quite like.
Elfman's Batman is iconic too.
It’s amazing that he gave us both Batman and Spiderman
Yeah except what he said about there being only one batman theme when Justice league was being made and he was brought on for the soundtrack was shallow, narrow minded and arrogant. As if to say all other batman themes are inferior to his. I lost alot of respect for him for this. Hans zimmer and Junky XLs BvS batman score is iconic and beautiful in its own way. Elfmans arrogant attitude was disgusting.
@@coreymckee4844 nah, there's no score in bvs that stuck in my mind. the only 2 dceu themes i can remember are superman's theme in mos and flash in the speed force. elfman's themes are way superior.
what a freaking awesome video!! I didnt know my love for this movie could be any bigger, but yet again, thanks to this video, I found a new way of loving it even more. Subbed for sure. great explenation and analysis 👍
Thank you so much!! Really glad you found the video!
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Brilliant video! Danny Elfman’s score is unmatched
For the first time, I have found a video that dissects one of my key childhood movies in a way that makes me fully understand why I feel the way I do about it. This movie is a gift for everyone who watches it and it was before a time that the big budget hero flick was a regular thing. This instead is a well crafted treat that everyone can relate to and be inspired by. The music is literally 50% of this film and you've described it in a way I couldn't have thought.
Guess I gotta re-watch the old trilogy again now.
Great video. I actually wrote a thesis paper on Danny Elfman's music for Spider-Man 2002 and 2004. It is a fantastic piece of music and I was saddened that it didn't receive a nomination at the Academy, it should've won every year it was released. It is easily one of the most complex pieces of music in any modern movie. The layering is literal genius. And it is certainly without a doubt Danny Elfman's best work, ever.
I am disappointed that marvel fails to realize that the use of music could drastically change the pacing of their films. Thank you for further explaining. The music is a main reason why I love Sam Raimi's trilogy. My true Spider Man ❤
But wait what about the Nickelback end credits song!
Seriously, though, this movie did so much so well that it was easy to take the music for granted. Thank you for letting us re-experience all the richness that was there.
I watched Spiderman 2 recently and was struck by how incredible the score is, it really is the best of all Marvel scores. I hope that they include it in No Way Home (if the rumors are true and Tobey will be in it)
Seeing Ben's face and reminding myself how positive he looks. I miss that!
I'd love to see a video on the current Spider-Man movies with Giacchino at the helm, especially now that there is the link of Elfman starting Spider-Man, and Giacchino doing it now, but also since Raimi took over the Doctor Strange sequel, Elfman is now in charge of that score, and is using the base score from Giacchino on the first one. probably the only person I trust to put out an equal work to the original (if not better)
The back and forth between Giacchino and Elfman in MCU scores is a weird coincidence. Having them actually collaborate on a future film would be interesting.
@@melissaharris3389 I hope spidey is in MOM
Giachinno also did Doctor Strange
@@captainjakemerica4579 yeah i couldnt wrap my head around articulating that properly, but its just kinda crazy
And following many leaks, Tobey's spidey might end up being in Doctor Strange Multiverse of Madness... It will be all back together, like the good o'l days.
Also I find it ironic that Raimi referenced Doctor Strange in his Spidey movies as a joke, just to end up a decade later working on a Doctor Strange movie...
Amazing work, the way you used the track in your video the way it's edited, the consistent voice over, perfect.
This is one to be proud of.
Godspeed, listening in.
Thank you for this. I've long heralded Danny Elfman's spiderman theme as probably the greatest superhero score ever written. Yes, even better than Elfman's iconic Batman theme and William's superman theme. As much as people acclaim Raimi's first two films, not enough people praise the music. With just the opening Suite, Elfman captures the excitement and thrill of swinging amongst skyscrapers, the bravery and heroism of Spiderman, the foreboding, threatening danger of his enemies, and the humanity, vulnerability and responsibility of Peter Parker. With beautiful, memorable melodies. All accomplished in less than 4 minutes. No superhero score has been able to so completely encapsulate the complexity and essence of one character.
This is what's missing from Horner's and Giacchino's Spiderman themes. They only evoke the heroic fanfare, without being able to capture the nuance and depth behind the character. Even Elfman's main 'hero motif', whilst only 3 notes, does not sound overly optimistic and simple - it has some ambiguity and complexity to its modality. It makes it feel so much more mature of a score, as opposed to the more innocent themes Horner and Giacchino came up with. It might just be Elfman's best work.
Elfman's soundtrack is probably the only one superhero theme which evokes goosebumps all the time 🙌
Why Spider-Man has one of the best superhero soundtracks of all time:
Danny Elfman
The man is a genius
I love how the scores only get better as the films get on and more characters, themes and ideas intertwine. Each motif is unique but none feel out of place in the context of the series as a whole.
Music touches you, and this song is proof of that.
It understands the character of Peter Parker, expresses his emotions felt in the film, and has a rise-and-fall theme that reflects our hero's journey throughout this and the later movies.
It's a journey, a story in music form that we (the audience/listeners) follow.
Film is not just entertainment. Film is art.
I love the Spider-Man main theme so much from those movies! Danny Elfman is such a great composer
Danny Elfmann's responsibility theme for the Raimi movies will always be the best superhero music score ever produced the emotion that it evokes is something I can't explain in words
4:29 God, that theme gives me chills every time I listen to it. Very well made video
I wrote a deep dive analysis about this score and I cant believe that I got so much right. Elfman is a true genius who can tell a story musically, how a boy learns from his mistakes and grows into a hero. Learning from that tragic mistake and rising from it.
Thanks for doing this, whenever I stumble upon any of the Raimi Spider Man films on Netflix I literally open them just to listen and watch the intro because it's just that good
Everytime I hear the transition from Spider-Man's theme to Peter Parker's theme, I tear up a bit. Such a great score.
On a sidenote: Please do an analysis of the score of Attack on Titan by composer Hiroyuki Sawano! :D
This is an incredible analysis! Visually, it's really impressive and engaging. And as someone who already knows the score and the themes very well I still learned some new things, and it's always great to see such a fresh yet pure interpretation of its meaning. Great work!
If you were my student, you would've already passed my class.
Special, interesting and top quality content. Real gold.
This movie and the whole trilogy have the best themes in all of suoerhero history. Danny Elfman is a genius.
Absolutely brilliant! Danny Elfman's music is enriched with emotions.
THE GREATEST SUPERHERO SCORE EVER MADE!
If I don't hear any part of this next week, im gonna riot
same
"Blake Neely" is underrated, dark archer and reverse flash theme are masterpieces and unique.
Especially the sad part of the dark archer theme is just amazing.
Even his flash theme is so ingrained in my head. What a theme!!
I love the theme he created for Arrow
@@arc4859 great score as well.
@@arc4859 "oliver queen suite", "setting up the lair", "final showdown with diaz" so good
@@ngossoobenge3817 flash has by far the most heroic one
You should definitely review Kelly Bailey’s OST for the Half-Life series. It has such a great industrial sound
this!!
The black suit theme is one of my favorites in this trilogy
As a 47-year-old, brand-new, piano-player, student-learner, I can appreciate this video. 😁👍
The “Don’t start without me” part always makes me sad because it’s one of the last times Peter has a happy moment with Uncle Ben
And then the penultimate scene when Uncle Ben dies is even more saddening
After watching 'no way home', i thought elfman's score is undeniably the best score ever with 'watchful guardian' of dark knight in history of super hero movies.
In 2002, the score told us exactly who the spiderman and peter parker is.
And 2021, it makes us cry with joy.
Thanks for your video.
Always loved this score. Batman Returns’ score is also a masterpiece. Even though the Penguin is depicted as a manipulative monster in the script, the score makes you sympathize with him.
Those 3 notes played by the strings at beginning always give me the chills.
I remember the first time I went to the cinema to watch the movie (I was 13 years old), it was magical... I didn't want the movie never ended 😅
Everytime i hear the score from these movies i still get chills.
If I ever get a chance to meet Danny I’m just gonna say one thing “Thank you for making my childhood a memory to last forever”
i knew it! i grew up with this film and i always think that the music is one of the reason why sam raimi's spiderman is a masterpiece. every emotion pete feels has such an emotional theme. it feels like i can relate to the burden peter carries as spiderman while also caring his family and friends. this is a great video
If Spiderman's theme song comes up at theaters in No Way Home, the whole fucking theater will explode.
Everyone under 12 will be like: 😐
Elfman is an absolute legend.
I’ve read plenty of comments from people saying they can visualize being Spider-Man when listening to the theme so he accomplished what he intended.
When I was 13 yrs old i set Peter's/Responsibility theme as alarm on my phone, now i am 16, still wakes up listening to it. It reminds me to be a responsible teen, Prepares me and helps me to get ready for everything thing coming next.
Still get goosebumps when I hear it
Well Done. Danny Elfman's Spider-Man Theme Score Analysis is Amazing. You said with your Words, what makes this Theme Score a Masterpiece and what defines the Heroic Soul of Peter Parker/Spider-Man.
As someone who's always loved this theme and story it's nice to see someone elegantly explain why the music and movies resonate. Amazing work! Thank You!
There are moments while listening to that score where you literally feel like you’re crawling up a wall, which is exactly what Elfman did with Batman and John Williams did with Superman. They made you feel like you were hiding in the shadows or flying with a red cape.
literally the most iconic superhero theme ever, no one even comes close
SpiderMan was my first favorite super hero movie before Marvel claimed the stage, and i think it was largely because of the music. your commentary is wonderfully insightful, and it satisfies some type of nostalgia i’ve always had for it but now in words 💙
I absolutely agree. Every time the topic comes around I always talk about how this score set the standard in super hero movies for me. Is not only one of the best super hero scores ever, is one of the best scores, period.
Love the analysis of this. While my opinion differs in terms of “best” score of a superhero movie, I appreciate the way you broke down the function and methodology of Elfman’s work. It is definitely a masterpiece.
Danny Elfman's music for Spiderman holds a special place in my heart. I just started learning music theory and your video is so insightful. I didn't know I could love the theme more, but now I do.
The scene in Spider-Man 3 where Peter opens the suitcase where the Spider-Man suit is hidden away in at the end of the movie is the most chilling use of the theme song.
Your videos are like essays and movies in one!
It is so brilliant!
The Score for the first Marvel Hulk movie was amazing
You’ve done justice to Spider-Man and Danny. Exquisite work.
The Spider-Man 2 opening credits is iconic.
This theme is amazing because it works for the whole film,the new themes work for the action and they can be good but this theme is different that’s what makes it as good as it is
Something about the 3 notes in Peter’s & MJ’s thème makes me think of the love triangle between Peter, MJ & Harry, but also the complex of Peter having to handle being Peter & Spiderman, and being in a relationship with MJ
Now I feel I'm in 2002, great video bro thanks for bringing this back.
And then Nickelback's song at the end.
I swear, everything about this movie is legendary. Historic.