So true about the only seeing the successful ones. From an aspiring actor standpoint, acting is the easiest thing on the planet. The hard part is working 3000hr a year and making $0. Or worse, losing money like In the case of my show Ginormo. A couple years of auditioning in i had a lot of hard times of facing the fact that i was able to make so much more when i just waited tables.
I would say don't take advice from people like me who have gotten very lucky. We're very biased. You know, like Taylor Swift telling you to follow your dreams is like a lottery winner telling you, 'Liquidize your assets; buy Powerball tickets - it works!' -Bo Burnham
You mean to tell me that not everyone can make money doing absoultely nothing???? shocking , this is so sad to hear , my heart goes out to these up and coming nothing doers
Toast is so real for this video. You can seriously see that he’s sharing this video not to complain, but to be transparent with everyone. Toast I admit, I was binge watching you for your Among Us videos back during the pandemic and you did at some point become forgotten (because pandemic was over and started work and school again full time). One of your videos was recently recommended to me & to see that you were still throwing bangers but I didn’t notice???? I started binge watching crazy now! Love your work and glad to be back! 🤍
His strategic mind at play again. Cashing in on the drama/controversy around what Hasan said, while managing to appear genuine and real unlike all those clickbaiters that just fan the flames.
Finally someone with a completely sane take on this... All jobs are challenging in different dimensions and people are more accustomed to some than others. There's only a few jobs I can name that are holistically horrific like vets, nurses, doctors, ems, hospice workers... Physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and psychologically draining. There's a reason vets and doctors commit self-exit at such an insanely high rate...
@@alexnelson2990 You're talking like streaming isn't a real job, while it is: it's like conducting a program on TV but on another platform, it requires a lot of skills to be successfull and get the ability to live from it. You need the ability to talk a lot without being boring, to maintain and increase the audience, so you need to have a strong personality and also understand what games are worth playing and choose your cooperations with other streamers wisely. Also, incomes are never equal every day, and everything can change in the span of a few days. It's harder than it seems, trust us
@@alexnelson2990 in certain aspects, yes. Even in my shit customer service job, theres times I can switch my brain off and rest. Streamers have to be switched on the entire time. And it is socially draining, just as customer service is. After an 8 hour shift, I also don't want to socialise at all, so I can definitely see that streamers feel the same, even if they are earning 1000x more money
The lack of structure is such a big one because a lot of the "problems" with streaming are streamers making actively poor decisions. Like there are plenty of successful streamers who go live three days a week for 6 hours and pull crazy viewership. People who use the Ludwig model for streamin content explicitly for UA-cam. And then there are those streaming 16 hours everyday, uploading unedited vods for a couple hundred views, and burning out even though they put in "so much effort".
You seem to misunderstand one aspect. > Like there are plenty of successful streamers who go live three days a week for 6 hours and pull crazy viewership. These successful streamers already made it. The Brand that they have built (popularity and reputation), is working for them. Think of it like, let's say, GRRM becoming successful with writing ASOIAF and now just milking that to the max (without putting out the fucking Winds Of Winter, I fking swear, that old fart will die before he finishes the series) >And then there are those streaming 16 hours everyday, uploading unedited vods for a couple hundred views, and burning out even though they put in "so much effort" These people, essentially, are the ones trying to make it in the scene (or, alternatively, trying to hold onto viewership). They haven't gathered enough resources to put in into work (be it in money or popularity) for them, so they, instead, trying to work that shit the old-fashioned way. People dunk on Hasan because he is popular, has a clout, and his message got hit with the wide audience, but it's not like smaller streamers were not saying that before. Which only kinda proves my point because people just see, maybe, a hundred or so big streamers and straight up forget about thousands who are at the bottom of category. (Which is similar to Onlyfans shit, people like to pretend that it's only the top1% models, who made thousands, while your average camwhore, apparently, makes about 180 dollars per month LMAO) The main two problems with streaming (if you want to make it a work, not just a hobby) is gathering audience and keeping said audience. And, like with every entertainment and "celeb" industry, actually making it big is the hardest part. Only with, let's say, actors, you still get some money from, let's say, working in the theater, while if you are not relevant in the streaming scene, you are working for zero results (maybe even for losses). People really need to get a reality check on this shit, and get the point that streaming is not just "download OBS, launch some game and you will drown in easy money" kind of activity.
I left my soul-sucking job right at the beginning of the pandemic. I was not getting enough hours to live on and I started learning a different, at home, job in my downtime. Once everyone was in lockdown, I just went all in on the side job. Now, I work at home. I love working at home but it's not all happy joy joy. I can't imagine what streamers have to do on a daily basis. Sure it sounds like fun, but there is a lot of work involved that we don't see on camera. As the saying goes, "The grass is always greener..." No job is 100% fun and easy.
@@LuminousTurtle2029 Yup people also forget being a streamer you have to be entertaining too. If you aren't you get no money. Anyone can stream but most of us just will never make a career out of it
Hasan here talking about "unless you work in retail" Boy, I worked a few years as a auto technician before moving onto engineering. Not only is that job back breaking and physically exhausting, it's mentally exhausting having to deal with customer complaints and then the backlash you get when people think you're trying to upsell them on their bald ass tires. You fix their complaint, 20k miles later, something else completely different starts squeaking they come back and blame you. It's thankless and the money isn't guaranteed at all. Slow day at work? No money. A job takes longer than it should? No money. God forbid you're sitting down for 9 hours, watching videos, and taking pee breaks every 30 minutes. It must be soul suckingly hard unlike literally every other job. I couldn't be happier pursuing my engineering degree because I could not imagine doing that for even 5 more years.
My favorite thing about you as a UA-camr is how open and honest you are with your audience. You are very transparent with what's going on behind the scenes in terms of your career, and I find it very respectable.
@@KiwiCrisisyeah shitting on Hasan for saying streaming drains you mentally in a way most other jobs don't makes sense. It's not the hardest job in the world, but there is a reason so many streamers go to therapy
I know an ukrainian dota2/path of exile streamer, who were doing somewhat similar for about 5 years, IIRC, before he got the audience because he featured on one of those "funny moments" compilations. Another russian hearthstone streamer straight up didn't beat around the bush and said that if you go streaming in hopes to get easy money, just don't, lmao, because you really need to mentally prepare to suck a big fat one instead, possibly for years, before you even have a chance to make SOMETHING out of that.
Thats the thing you have to do with streaming tho. You have to go in with the intend to just do what you enjoy and entertain the people who watch you. A streamer is basically a digital living statue. You could quit your job, spend 5000$ on your gear, and get no donations at all, and this gets you frustrated, makes you want to quit and not stand out there as often and be forced back working your normal routine. Or you could dip old clothes in silver paint at a cost for 50$ at most, and gain thousands of donations per day, because you are standing there whenever you have spare time left to do so. I know someone who did content for youtube for years, and averaged 10 viewers per video. Then he made a new channel, because he learned something about the algoritm, and his old channel literally worked against him (nowadays, old content does not really matter as much). That channel also failed, but for a while had 500 views per video (before plummetting to 5 views per video). Now, that dude has nearly 600k subscribers, which considering the amount of people who speak our native language, is quite a lot of people. As in, about 5 million people would actively watch youtube, and only about 1 million of those watch the type of content he produces. Thats like if Pewdiepie had 300 million subscribers. Or if Mr. Beast had 400 million subscribers (his content is a lot broader than PewDiePie). The only time you should care for viewcount, is when it unexplainably jumps or drops.
I found Toast through Among Us yes but I stayed for his personality. Not just his strategic games, but whenever he plays variety games it is always fun to see his own commentary and also his friends dynamics in multi-player games
Oh Rooster Teeth, my friends and i have been close since high school, and i think we are in the same age bracket (graduated HS in 2007), and we still randomly quote lines from those videos at each other.... Good take Sir Toast, and also getting into my own career i dont have as much time to keep up with various content so you were right that you are also one of the people i dont get to watch as much as i used to, and i watched a ton of the Offline TV, Amongus, Fall guys, OTK, etc... content and man...the growing old thing hits fast sometimes. Glad youre still out there doing your thing, happy for you. Hope you have a good 2024 Toast!.
I'm not an expert but I would advice you to change your profile pic. Most successful streamers have a recognizable pic, even if you see it on your small smartphone screen.
@@PC-vp2cg Im not a streamer, ive streamed in the past, and i have some really old tutorial vids for a 20 year old game on my account lol. That pic is of my dog who passed a few years ago, and im good keeping her there.
I've heard someone say that a good way to do it is to supplement your audience with streams as a reward for following your content and it really seemed to make sense to me. If they like them to where it makes sense for you to stream a lot more, great. But if not, your long form content is what they came for anyways, so there is no loss.
@@iLL_WiLL_Yeah, but I kinda feel you need to have the right personality to be able to stream consistently, for example I know I'll never be able to do this kind of work as a reserved introvert! Mental part does a lot in every work that requires human skills
@@TheJohnbusi As a reserved introvert, you'd be surprised that its actually easier to stream consistently. The only thing I disliked to do was turn on my camera, since that requires effort to look decent, but plenty of big streamers have streamed without a cam. Introverts are fine talking into a void, a lack of social interaction actually energizes, and by the time the viewcount becomes substantial, you've already disassociated chat as one single entity. Extroverts have issues with streaming, because they rely on social interaction for energy. The main thing about streaming is that you do it whenever you want to. If you do anything because you have to, it by default will drain energy. People dont really complain too much if you upload videos a bit inconsistently as they do if you streamed inconsistently. But if you set the standard of inconsistent streams, and that people can join whenever, its a breeze.
i really liked that you mentioned how important it is to evolve your content and that it's okay to go from one niche to another. it's nice to see you can still be successful when moving onto something else under the same name. thank you for the video, toast!
@@eavocado5890pppjit's literally just people without context who are mad, the fact hasan is a political streamer is mostly why they're mad more than anything
@@eavocado5890pppj "When I was poor and I complained about inequality, I was being told I am bitter, when I was successful and I complained about inequality, I was being told I am hypocrite" (c) Kind of same vibes, to be honest.
When I moved to a different country and my relatives learned my salary they were awed, when they learned how much costs to live in London they were awed as well just in different direction. That's a perfect example of seeing only one side. Same with streamers, youtubers, artists, actors, etc.. I know enough aspiring actors to pity them, because university students are usually living better :D
I absolutely love that you have the ability to talk things out in a clear and well mannered manner. You hit the nail on the head; many people just grow out of watching "said" content and either shift to different streamer, and/or don't have the ability to watch said content anymore. In the past, I would watch EpicMealTime or FPS Russia on YT and never had the desire to watch streamers at all. Then Covid happened and the one good thing that you did (that everyone complained about I'm sure) was you switched to Facebook and streamed there. I came across your video of Among Us, the one where you marinated Cizzors. At first, I didn't watch it, but it kept coming up on my FB feed and eventually I watched it. It was SUPER entertaining (thanks to your editor) and I looked you up. Fast forward to now, I've watched pretty much all your Among Us content, as well as your transition to E-Sports Gaming world. Congrats to you, even though it's incredibly hard and money draining. It was you, who introduced me to the world of streamers. I didn't know who Jacksepticeye or Pewdiepie was. Or even CorpseHusband or Valkyrae. Admittedly, I watch a little bit too much of Sykkuno just because he has the Troll aspect about him. Also, I've gotten to the age where I just watch re-runs of shows/videos. I binge (and fall asleep to) all of the Among Us era content. Yours, Sykkuno's, Valkyrae, and Corpse are my mains. You're right though, I don't watch your content as much as I once did. The world keeps on spinning and my views change to what I feel like watching at any given moment. But congrats again on your accomplishments and I'm glad you put out this video. And thank you for introducing me to this world. I've thoroughly enjoyed your content as well as others. Keep up the struggle.
Just as a note to the not knowing what day it is, I have this but not because the schedule is that i can do what i want when i want, but because it doesnt matter what day it is. The work looks the same. Whether is a Wednesday or a Sunday. This was somewhat similar in my job before that, being a backend developer, with the main difference being that i didnt work Saturday/Sunday, so it was easier to know. But the moment it wasnt Monday anymore i had no clue what day it was since all worked in dates, regarding when projects have to be finished. Id say the shift on things just change. Its very difficult to say whats easier or harder because some normal things turn very easy, while some other things you usually dont have to deal with become very hard. I think one of the biggest issues - maybe unless you earn so much it doesnt matter anymore - is that you pretty much turn into a robot that does what has the best response, while also isolating yourself almost completely. And when you get to know people you learn that there is quite a big amount that never heard of youtube before or just rarely used it for some music/fun videos and think you are just messing around.
I feel like the biggest challenge would be being worried about being stalked and murdered if you get popular. If you got 1 million people that watch you sometimes, whats the odds that 1 in a million people are a dangerous psychopath? Pretty high.
@@ttprophecy It's just not, you are watching too many movies. Now name 5 streamers out off the top of your head, who had that happen to them - that would be common.
You did a good job discussing this topic, Toast. People are quick to think that streaming is simple and easy and the top streamers make it look that way. However, as with any job, there are ups and downs, good points and bad and you explained these very well.
I don't think the issue was Hasan saying streaming is draining. I think it was the implication that his job is more difficult than others. He could just say that streaming presents unique challenges w/o almost putting down other difficult jobs
yeah this, his statement was implying that streaming was more difficult than "real jobs" for being soul-sucking (as if real jobs can't also be soul sucking)
I really appreciate your input, Toast. You give your audience straight facts. I have some friends that are small streamers and even they get exhausted without thousands of followers. And the fact "being in the right place at the right time" game-wise is extremely important. Like you mentioned, Among Us was the game that really made me subscribe to you back in the day. We were all on lockdown and all I had was you lovely streamers providing excellent content. If I was even SLIGHTLY charismatic and witty I would have started streaming as well at the time, but that talent is reserved for people like you and the rest of the Among Us lobby.
@@someone3706he has been a political commentator for more than a decade now and has wrote, produced and worked for many main stream news organizations from Al-Jazzera to the New York times. He regularly has academic, historians, journalist and people who dedicate their entire life to a specific topic.
Always appreciate the honesty and the insight Toast. I have actor friends living in LA as well and only so many people can make it to A or even B-list actor category. Most A-listers are nepo babies too so it’s crazy. Streaming seems like a time and place thing so much. I wish I had the opportunity to get into it years back but bandwidth here has always been at a premium so I couldn’t afford the $250-$300 monthly plans that would’ve been adequate speed/data to stream while I was in college when streaming took off.
I think one of the main reasons people are especially mad this time is because most of the negatives that Toast posted out have become very prevalent in ALL jobs now, not just freelancing type careers. However, the positives remain a part of the things that are singularly to successful freelance type workers. edit: not to mention the HUGE payout difference between most 9-5’s vs a successful streaming platform.
Realest answer is that people just love to get mad and hear drama, algos are optimized around engagement, and other content creators cater to the algos to boost their own metrics and cash. If you scroll back even 2 minutes into the Hasan VOD, you'll learn that the conversation that led up to this was him talking about being low-energy at a party he went to after streaming. Saying "I just got off a 9 hour workday I'm sorry I'm pretty low energy RN" is the most normal-ass conversation anyone could ever have, yet here we are at 50M views and literally a thousand reaction videos later.
@ng.Thing is, everyone can say that. But nobody will present that their jobs are harder than everyone else's. That is a child's take, incredibly self-centered and is an insult to anyone else who actually have hard conditions of living. Also, coming from Hasaan who has some strong political views, it just puts the nail in the coffin on him looking absolutely like a privileged kid that is out-of-touch with reality. He is close to saying that no other job is as tough or no one understands what hard life streaming is. That is just an absolute lie. Many of the issues with a streaming job can be found elsewhere. Not a hater, also I think it's fine to complain about your job to your friends. But we are not his friends AND we don't have to agree with his bs, especiallly when he presents it as a fact lol. It's not that some people probably have it harder than him, it's that MOST people probably have it much harder than him with much less reward or control.
@@Ahwleung. Of course that’s a normal thing to say, it’s just unnecessary to compare other jobs to your job. Like, why would you do that. That’s so unproductive and unnecessary.
It's like if a friend tells you "Oh, I'm having the worst day" and you answer "There are people who have it worse". Like, everyone's feelings are valid, you suffering more doesn't automatically make me suffer any less. We should all be grateful and we should all feel how ever the fck we're feeling 👍
nope. a more accurate representation of why this rubbed people the wrong way is if you, as someone who had a bad day, went to someone who is objectively having a much shittier day and said "man your day could not be worse than mine is right now" no one is objecting to the fact that streamers have problems too. no one is claiming that streamers all live perfect lives with no hardship. people are just pissed at someone who had the audacity to claim streaming is more "soul sucking" than regular jobs. that's it. it was a shitty take that came off as extremely out of touch and people are understandably upset.
@@nickhalden374 Yeah, I think if he used a different term more people would agree. I personally think streaming can absolutely be harder than some jobs. Most 9-5 desk jobs imo are easier than streaming. Especially considering some of these people stream 7 days a week with no vacation out of fear of losing their viewers if they take a break.
@@alucard8433nothing wrong with that tho. In big parts of the world living in a house with all immediate family members are considered the social norms. Some times even with uncles and aunts are considered normal.
Toast, you single handedly got me into Teamfight Tactics & I thank you so much for that! I was able to reach Master rank, play against you, Scarra & even Mortdog himself! TFT & Among Us has a special place in my heart ♥️ shoutout to OfflineTV as well!
Hey Toast, I think you are great and you are now one of my favorite streamers/youtubers, I always watched you through other people, but now that I watch your videos, they are very good, and I think you are very genuine! Great Video!
Thank you for so much insight over the years as a streamer and a human. Every video youre in or make, brings a side/knowledge that most people think about but never say. Im so glad to have watched you grow from Hearthstone masked up, to a social media icon. Well deserved after all this time and more, keep on truckin! Funnelcake any1?
@@corvacopia not really, worked at over 10 minimum wage jobs and none of those jobs were "hard". Sure at first they are physically hard but you get easily used to that.
@@corvacopia I don't think so. Soul crushing jobs are usually healthcare jobs and those aren't that popular for that reason. (and of course because of the low pay in return)
I think you missed security problems and dealing with a lot of hate!! The risk to be doxxed (and also your family) is very high, there are a lot of trolls in the community (like a lot of streamers being swatted), a lot of female streamers deal with harassment too (that can happen in normal jobs but it’s very common with streamers). But must of these come with fame! Great video Toast!! 🤍
The only problem in Hassan's take is he compared streaming to a "real job". Not saying that streaming is not a real job. Although he didn't say it, it indirectly says that anything else besides streaming is not a real job is how it sounded to a lot of people. If he said, "Streaming is hard and drains your social battery", no one would blink and everyone would agree to that but since he added a few more words "Streaming is hardER THAN A REAL JOB and drains your social battery", then the tone and the message changed.
For the average person who wants to create a good stable career for themselves the best thing they can do is find positions with high barriers of entry. There's no barrier to entry with streaming which means it's so much harder to succeed at it.
It's not hard it's just mentally draining if the audience you acquire happens to be people who harass you. The streaming and playing part can be tiring just as being awake and doing other things can be.
Sasaengs, swatting, being sexualized, death threats, doxxing, constant notifications and hate comments, people analyzing your every more, literally this and so so much more. I wouldn't call that "not hard". Not even to mention the psychological toll of this widespread, longitudinal people pleasing and content brain.
@@YutaBLv LOL yes, but do normies experience this on a daily basis? Not at all. Especially not if you're not engaging is offensive behaviors. The fact some of y'all don't even try to empathize with these streamers and public figures is just concerning and depressing. These things listed are objectively difficult for humans to endure.
One thing that does not seem to be talked about is that when the negative aspect is optional like in the case of hasan, because he can control his own working/streaming hours as he is financially independent at this point, it can come across poorly to those that are not in a similarly privileged position, which is why in my opinion he's being called out
a super real version of this convo thats been going around. Ive watched the evolution since hearthstone and its been super cool to see the adaptation taking place.
Hey ive been following you since hearthstone with kripparian and trump and the others and followed you through your tft and otv times and you are really awesome. I really liked this video, the meta analysis was great. you are awesome
It's the best opinion ive seen so far on the topic after ages of streamers with hot takes about how hard its to be a streamer and then randoms answering about how lucky they are (btw i always said something similar to you in this video). My tldr was always that it's easier the life of a streamer but it's harder (if not impossible) to reach the point in which the life becomes easier (its way more elaborated just cba typing 2 much)
As individuals what is "hard" wiil be different for everyone. I have tried streaming a few times and just 1-2h even with 0 viewers has me drained since i still have to try and keep talking throughout the stream just in case someone would join. I suffer from social anxiety so part of the draining experience for me is knowing i at any moment can be forced in to a social situation with a possible viewer. As a comparison if i got to the gym for 1-2h i will get tired but not feel drained in the same way. So yeah, people can have whatever opinion they want on Hassan but if that is his experience of streaming that is the experience he has.
I absolutely loved among us, especially toast’s POV. I now am on and off depending on the thumbnail and timing since I’m not a huge fan of E-Sports but I do like hearing him discuss a topic. Speaking off no job security, the first UA-camrs that came to mind were the couple ChrisandtheMike, and his wife Ashelyosity. I loved watching them play Jail Break on Roblox, but I eventually grew out of it. A couple months back I saw a TikTok asking what happened to them, and that’s when I found out both channels are gone. Still don’t know what happened 🤷🏻♀️
Toast is correct on the factors needed for success. Hacking at a tree with a blunted axe will take a long time to cut it down, that is why sharpening the axe is also a skill to be learned but most people dont realise that
Really like your variety content and excellent story telling! Started watching during pandemic too and was glad I discover you guys ❤ I don't really watch streaming but I like your vids on yt as well as otv vids 😊
I am an accountant, i work 8-10 hrs plus, and sure its not manual labor, but it is mental draining i go home and sleep immediately and then wake up and go back to work. I have 0 social life, 0 friends, 0 relationships, i barely see my family. why? because im too tired to even put in effort to maintain these relationships. so in a way, i understand, but also i feel like having a regular job is just a little easier.
Money is just so true with twitch recently increasing the ad revenue it has helped more but ofc as a small streamer I only average 20-40 views per stream but it allows me to make around 60-100 per month if im able to be consistent with streams and keep my average viewer count stable.
I also think that it's could be both super easy or hard depends on who you have connection with. If toast didn't meet with the offlineTV members he wouldn't have been as successful, I think scarra mentioned it himself that he was lucky to meet some people. I really appreciated that Toast unlike certain streammers, acknowledge the fact that he was lucky, despite there are many challenges. It's also difficult to be successful because there are already so many BIG content creator with better quality and best in their field like Tenz in valorant. So it could really be REALLY easy or REALLY hard depends on who you are, how good are you, and WHO do you have connections with.
Man, I LOVE these kind of videos of toast!!! Prob similar reason why I love pewdiepie's video too. It's just him being him, smart and honest + very self aware. We love you toast!!
Unfortunately, envy is the likely trigger - for people on routine work, a streamer's life is like the greener pastures on the other side. Personally I feel like a streamer is the same as any by-commission only based job and it encompasses all the challenges of job insecurity and discipline which many of us dont think much of, but will have it hard when put in that position.
Toast hadn't even mentioned some of the most objectively nightmare-ish aspects of streaming and being available in the public eye. Sasaengs, swatting, being sexualized, death threats, doxxing, constant notifications and hate comments, people analyzing your every more, literally this and so so much more. I would DESPISE being famous because you also can't really just disappear back into society as you please. Someone will constantly recollect the chapters of your life where you were basically a product being globally consumed...
No one is envy. There are other jobs "socially" draining. And more dangerous. What hasen whos family is rich and he has his spoon feed to him his whole life complain have a side gig. Bitch and moan.
Just like celebrities, “normal” people don’t think or at least put these streamers and content creators on a higher scale because of fame/popularity. Just like how celebrities are often forgotten that they are human beings too, content creators are the same. :/ Agree that envy is the trigger.
I love your insightful content and how you shape your personality. You are emotional, rational, self-awared and confident at the same time, and I love that everytime you talk about streaming, you acknowledge the other's viewpoint first and give your own opinion. Not everything is black and white so by showing empathy, as an audience I felt it easier to understand your struggle.
That's was a great video. All the points you made, made sense. The amount of luck that goes into being seen is such a huge part of it. I've seen amazing streamers with personality and the whole bells and whistles for their streams and they stream to 2-5 people. Hopefully one day they get more. But yeah right place right time is so important.
Yeah I think he pretty much nailed it. And notice how Toast keeps saying it doesnt really compare much to most other traditional jobs, as streaming is a rather unique job. Perfect. Highlighted some of the struggles of streaming too, and with data. Beautiful. If the goal is to gain empathy or to educate and the person is someone incredibly fortunate who worked hard but is in a privileged position, it is important to acknowledge that before talking about these things. Very well said Toast
I agree with you for the most part. I think even when Hasan tries to contextualize and elaborate things that he says there's already a hate train on X and in Discord servers and groups that literally LIVE to nonstop harass the dude. a lot of psychotic haters. Although, Toast still missed countless challenges streamers are subject to, I find it ironic that people aren't realizing the reality that your job can be hard, but still not as hard as existing as a public figure. I would even go as far as to say, genuinely, the ONLY people would can say their jobs are objectively the hardest are things like vets, doctors, nurses, EMS, hospice workers... These careers are almost uniquely physically, emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, and mentally draining. There's a reason vets and doctors self exit at some of the highest rates...
@madisonblack7201 yeah I think it's almost pointless to compare job struggles though. Like let's say you work at retail and you tell me your feet hurt from standing all day. Then I go "yeah I'm a football player so my feet and whole body hurt. So my job is more physically demanding than yours." ...OK? Even if i am right, what does that conversation achieve? It just comes off dismissive of your struggles or some weird competition on who has it harder. If a streamer wants to elaborate on the struggles of a streamer, fantastic. Go for it. But in Hasan case, the moment he started comparing his struggle to other jobs, of course many will take it as out of touch or even insulting, which I doubt was Hasans intention. But it is what it is.
Just hearing you speak is relaxing, fullmetal alchemist taught me that if you’re getting something- something of equal value is being sacrificed. You probably get this a lot, but genuinely: Thank you for sacrificing your time and sanity to improve mine.
One time i heard a phrase thats been stuck with me ever since. "Luck is when opportunity meets preparation" Now what does it mean? luck is fake? Nope! its luck, you never know when it comes, but for example JYNXZI, he streamed, a lot, then something happened, probably him or a viewer making a tiktok of a clip of him. Now if he werent streaming, that clip wouldnt have become viral on tiktok, so he wouldnt have the same succes as he did. SEE? preparation (him streaming) met opportunity (the tiktok going viral), now i cant tell if this is what made him succesful, but this IS a real thing. How do you expect people to watch your streams if you dont stream? if you dont expose your content? "but i dont have good content" then you havent prepared enough, so keep trying!
I have to say, as a DJ, a two to four hours set has sometimes taken more out of me than an 8 hour shift working in a kitchen, serving, or bartending. I think it depends on your environment and how well you settle into it.
Toast, I watched you 9 years ago when you played HS but I stopped once my friends and I stopped playing the game. Found your videos again when you uploaded among us content and now I watch every video you upload.
People forget that sure streaming is easy compared to do manual labor but it’s also draining on the social side. They’re dismissing hasan because he’s rich and that’s the only part they care about.
I couldn't imagine how draining it is to entertain, plus edit videos and to do good you have to post pretty much everyday . 😮😢 I mean people could say my job is easy and so simple to but mentally it can be rough dealing with people all day everyday.
"They’re dismissing hasan because he’s rich and that’s the only part they care about." no. they are dismissing him because he tried to dismiss other peoples work. while crying wolf.
@@sarcasticdragon8673 no it’s because he’s rich. Any small streamer would say this and you wouldn’t care. He’s a large streamer and rich. I can guarantee someone like you wouldn’t last in his shoes. Imagine going on to entertain a couple thousand people and have 100s of idiots go after you. You only hate him because he’s rich. Not for what he said. You don’t even care about that
They're dismissing Hasan because there are a number of other jobs that are very socially draining, and he said that there was no other job as soul draining as streaming. And those other jobs don't make you rich like streaming can, like Hasan is. And they don't have the benefit of being able to take the time off to recover if they wanted to, or to just quit and live off they're millions of dollars.
To be fair to his community, when you make a point to encourage your followers to ignore context and emotionally react on their gut feelings instead then double down when an attempt is made to explain context after the fact. You can't really be surprised when they do just that.
Honestly I think most people miss what made everyone upset. Even Toast. Its not that he was complaining about streaming. Its that he said its harder than "normal" jobs. If he didnt compare, no one would care imo.
A HUGE point is that Asmon or Hasan or any other top streamer could just stop and live a wealthy life. Most people are forced to work and cannot quit even if they wanted...
A job is a means to an end. A way to support yourself and your loved ones financially in exchange for your labor. Thats it. If youre lucky enough to enjoy it, great. Some are easier than others, and in different ways. Digging a ditch is extremely physically difficult, but not mentally draining at all. Conversely, being a therapist has no physical aspect to the job, but is incredibly mentally and emotionally draining. Comparing those difficulties is valid, but the more relevant comparison is in the ratio of effort to reward. Hassan puts in A1 amount of effort to get B1 amount of income. Standard janitor puts in A2 amount of effort for B2 amount of income. Hassan wants to highlight the difficulties of A1 while diminishing those of A2 while completely ignoring the massive disparity between B1 and B2. Thats why people are mad. Most people arent even refuting the statements that streaming is mentally and socially taxing. I imagine it is. But that stress in his life has eliminated any concerns over financial security. Thats not inconsequential. If you want to complain about your job, dont do it to people who would kill for the opportunity, and are struggling to make ends meet. It stinks of narcissism and shows just how out of touch you are.
To me, you are that streamer that used to watch every single time you uploaded content. I no longer watch anything from you but, I'm glad you are still doing good and evolved. Keep it up Toast, you are a great content creator nevertheless.
To say it’s harder is ignorant. It’s harder to achieve greatness/stability in, but it isn’t harder to actually do. There’s also a risk when devoting your full time to it, but the actual task isn’t harder than many 9-5 jobs. There’s a big difference.
its a unique bond with streamers and chat as to viewers to said content creator, right? some will leave to find similar content to compare and want to collab with their old entertainment for a fun experiences!! idk, just putting my thoughts out there and im tryna get in the streaming scene myself!! Love otv
I think I heard of you before Facebook, vaguely, and then started watching around the pandemic. I don't associate you with any game and enjoy your content because it's well made, funny, and I can rely on you for an entertaining video.
As someone working a more traditional blue collar job and probably putting similar hours in, i feel like i can confidently say that streaming and the wider general entertainment industry is definitely more draining. Most people just look and the surface and see that it isn't incredibly strict or labor intensive and immediately assume its all sunshine and rainbows. In my opinion mental and emotional labor will almost always be more draining than their physical counterpart, and the fact streamers put themselves through that, sometimes for weeks on end with no days off, makes me respect the career path even more. I know for damn sure i could never do that full time.
You’re not getting old, toast. You don’t look a day over somewhere between 15 and 40.
40? 💀
@@jessicacandice2775 40 for streamers still looks 30 because they don't see sunlight enough to get aged by it
Toast look a lot younger after his glow up
Jynxi said Toast looks 25 hahah then Chat corrects him that Toast is 32. I think
💀💀💀💀💀
So true about the only seeing the successful ones.
From an aspiring actor standpoint, acting is the easiest thing on the planet. The hard part is working 3000hr a year and making $0.
Or worse, losing money like In the case of my show Ginormo.
A couple years of auditioning in i had a lot of hard times of facing the fact that i was able to make so much more when i just waited tables.
I would say don't take advice from people like me who have gotten very lucky. We're very biased. You know, like Taylor Swift telling you to follow your dreams is like a lottery winner telling you, 'Liquidize your assets; buy Powerball tickets - it works!' -Bo Burnham
"actor? I want a mcspicy with fries" -steven's dad, probably
hello steven! great insight! best of luck to you and your future! ginormo's great!
You mean to tell me that not everyone can make money doing absoultely nothing???? shocking , this is so sad to hear , my heart goes out to these up and coming nothing doers
@@marcogalaxy2944you sound insanely salty about it.
Toast is so real for this video. You can seriously see that he’s sharing this video not to complain, but to be transparent with everyone. Toast I admit, I was binge watching you for your Among Us videos back during the pandemic and you did at some point become forgotten (because pandemic was over and started work and school again full time). One of your videos was recently recommended to me & to see that you were still throwing bangers but I didn’t notice???? I started binge watching crazy now! Love your work and glad to be back! 🤍
I've been binge watching since 21 lol... binge on fellow binge'r
It's called rambling
Plandemic
His strategic mind at play again. Cashing in on the drama/controversy around what Hasan said, while managing to appear genuine and real unlike all those clickbaiters that just fan the flames.
I love bingeing his videos too, unfortunately u can't do that if u already watched the vids when uploaded 😢
It’s different work. It requires and drains different facets of life and we all respond differently to that
Finally someone with a completely sane take on this... All jobs are challenging in different dimensions and people are more accustomed to some than others. There's only a few jobs I can name that are holistically horrific like vets, nurses, doctors, ems, hospice workers... Physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, and psychologically draining. There's a reason vets and doctors commit self-exit at such an insanely high rate...
Is it really more draining to play video games and talk to people who send u money than it is to work a real job tho?!
I would say streaming so much is more draining, dan an office 9-5, but not worse than a lot of blue collar jobs (most not all)
@@alexnelson2990 You're talking like streaming isn't a real job, while it is: it's like conducting a program on TV but on another platform, it requires a lot of skills to be successfull and get the ability to live from it.
You need the ability to talk a lot without being boring, to maintain and increase the audience, so you need to have a strong personality and also understand what games are worth playing and choose your cooperations with other streamers wisely. Also, incomes are never equal every day, and everything can change in the span of a few days.
It's harder than it seems, trust us
@@alexnelson2990 in certain aspects, yes. Even in my shit customer service job, theres times I can switch my brain off and rest. Streamers have to be switched on the entire time. And it is socially draining, just as customer service is. After an 8 hour shift, I also don't want to socialise at all, so I can definitely see that streamers feel the same, even if they are earning 1000x more money
The lack of structure is such a big one because a lot of the "problems" with streaming are streamers making actively poor decisions. Like there are plenty of successful streamers who go live three days a week for 6 hours and pull crazy viewership. People who use the Ludwig model for streamin content explicitly for UA-cam. And then there are those streaming 16 hours everyday, uploading unedited vods for a couple hundred views, and burning out even though they put in "so much effort".
High quality + some quantity beats low quality and high quantity almost every time, doesn't it.
Hasan content be like: 🪑
Guys I work so hard :( stop being mean to me
@@Dogan_TM Hasan just said how it is. If it was some small streamer, you wouldn't even hear that, lmao.
You seem to misunderstand one aspect.
> Like there are plenty of successful streamers who go live three days a week for 6 hours and pull crazy viewership.
These successful streamers already made it. The Brand that they have built (popularity and reputation), is working for them. Think of it like, let's say, GRRM becoming successful with writing ASOIAF and now just milking that to the max (without putting out the fucking Winds Of Winter, I fking swear, that old fart will die before he finishes the series)
>And then there are those streaming 16 hours everyday, uploading unedited vods for a couple hundred views, and burning out even though they put in "so much effort"
These people, essentially, are the ones trying to make it in the scene (or, alternatively, trying to hold onto viewership). They haven't gathered enough resources to put in into work (be it in money or popularity) for them, so they, instead, trying to work that shit the old-fashioned way.
People dunk on Hasan because he is popular, has a clout, and his message got hit with the wide audience, but it's not like smaller streamers were not saying that before. Which only kinda proves my point because people just see, maybe, a hundred or so big streamers and straight up forget about thousands who are at the bottom of category.
(Which is similar to Onlyfans shit, people like to pretend that it's only the top1% models, who made thousands, while your average camwhore, apparently, makes about 180 dollars per month LMAO)
The main two problems with streaming (if you want to make it a work, not just a hobby) is gathering audience and keeping said audience. And, like with every entertainment and "celeb" industry, actually making it big is the hardest part. Only with, let's say, actors, you still get some money from, let's say, working in the theater, while if you are not relevant in the streaming scene, you are working for zero results (maybe even for losses).
People really need to get a reality check on this shit, and get the point that streaming is not just "download OBS, launch some game and you will drown in easy money" kind of activity.
Watching this on my short break while working on my soul sucking job
Watching this on my 4 day weekend from my super fun job.
I left my soul-sucking job right at the beginning of the pandemic. I was not getting enough hours to live on and I started learning a different, at home, job in my downtime. Once everyone was in lockdown, I just went all in on the side job. Now, I work at home. I love working at home but it's not all happy joy joy.
I can't imagine what streamers have to do on a daily basis. Sure it sounds like fun, but there is a lot of work involved that we don't see on camera. As the saying goes, "The grass is always greener..." No job is 100% fun and easy.
Ah, so you're a streamer too like our boy Cenk's Nephew.
@@LuminousTurtle2029 Yup people also forget being a streamer you have to be entertaining too. If you aren't you get no money. Anyone can stream but most of us just will never make a career out of it
Hasan here talking about "unless you work in retail"
Boy, I worked a few years as a auto technician before moving onto engineering. Not only is that job back breaking and physically exhausting, it's mentally exhausting having to deal with customer complaints and then the backlash you get when people think you're trying to upsell them on their bald ass tires. You fix their complaint, 20k miles later, something else completely different starts squeaking they come back and blame you. It's thankless and the money isn't guaranteed at all. Slow day at work? No money. A job takes longer than it should? No money. God forbid you're sitting down for 9 hours, watching videos, and taking pee breaks every 30 minutes. It must be soul suckingly hard unlike literally every other job. I couldn't be happier pursuing my engineering degree because I could not imagine doing that for even 5 more years.
My favorite thing about you as a UA-camr is how open and honest you are with your audience. You are very transparent with what's going on behind the scenes in terms of your career, and I find it very respectable.
Most fair and reasonable take.
Yep. He was spot on. All of these people taking the first clip out of context are just incredibly frustrating
@@KiwiCrisisyeah shitting on Hasan for saying streaming drains you mentally in a way most other jobs don't makes sense. It's not the hardest job in the world, but there is a reason so many streamers go to therapy
Streaming for ONE YEAR for ONE PERSON is crazy! It's nice that you highlighted Jynxzi's career
I know an ukrainian dota2/path of exile streamer, who were doing somewhat similar for about 5 years, IIRC, before he got the audience because he featured on one of those "funny moments" compilations.
Another russian hearthstone streamer straight up didn't beat around the bush and said that if you go streaming in hopes to get easy money, just don't, lmao, because you really need to mentally prepare to suck a big fat one instead, possibly for years, before you even have a chance to make SOMETHING out of that.
Thats the thing you have to do with streaming tho. You have to go in with the intend to just do what you enjoy and entertain the people who watch you.
A streamer is basically a digital living statue. You could quit your job, spend 5000$ on your gear, and get no donations at all, and this gets you frustrated, makes you want to quit and not stand out there as often and be forced back working your normal routine.
Or you could dip old clothes in silver paint at a cost for 50$ at most, and gain thousands of donations per day, because you are standing there whenever you have spare time left to do so.
I know someone who did content for youtube for years, and averaged 10 viewers per video. Then he made a new channel, because he learned something about the algoritm, and his old channel literally worked against him (nowadays, old content does not really matter as much). That channel also failed, but for a while had 500 views per video (before plummetting to 5 views per video).
Now, that dude has nearly 600k subscribers, which considering the amount of people who speak our native language, is quite a lot of people. As in, about 5 million people would actively watch youtube, and only about 1 million of those watch the type of content he produces.
Thats like if Pewdiepie had 300 million subscribers. Or if Mr. Beast had 400 million subscribers (his content is a lot broader than PewDiePie).
The only time you should care for viewcount, is when it unexplainably jumps or drops.
I found Toast through Among Us yes but I stayed for his personality. Not just his strategic games, but whenever he plays variety games it is always fun to see his own commentary and also his friends dynamics in multi-player games
Oh Rooster Teeth, my friends and i have been close since high school, and i think we are in the same age bracket (graduated HS in 2007), and we still randomly quote lines from those videos at each other.... Good take Sir Toast, and also getting into my own career i dont have as much time to keep up with various content so you were right that you are also one of the people i dont get to watch as much as i used to, and i watched a ton of the Offline TV, Amongus, Fall guys, OTK, etc... content and man...the growing old thing hits fast sometimes.
Glad youre still out there doing your thing, happy for you. Hope you have a good 2024 Toast!.
I'm not an expert but I would advice you to change your profile pic.
Most successful streamers have a recognizable pic, even if you see it on your small smartphone screen.
better top up the headlight fluid!
@@PC-vp2cg Im not a streamer, ive streamed in the past, and i have some really old tutorial vids for a 20 year old game on my account lol. That pic is of my dog who passed a few years ago, and im good keeping her there.
rip roooster teeth
Agreed. I started with streaming but got burnt out many times and switched to just making videos and cannot complain
I've heard someone say that a good way to do it is to supplement your audience with streams as a reward for following your content and it really seemed to make sense to me. If they like them to where it makes sense for you to stream a lot more, great. But if not, your long form content is what they came for anyways, so there is no loss.
@@iLL_WiLL_Yeah, but I kinda feel you need to have the right personality to be able to stream consistently, for example I know I'll never be able to do this kind of work as a reserved introvert!
Mental part does a lot in every work that requires human skills
@@TheJohnbusi As a reserved introvert, you'd be surprised that its actually easier to stream consistently. The only thing I disliked to do was turn on my camera, since that requires effort to look decent, but plenty of big streamers have streamed without a cam.
Introverts are fine talking into a void, a lack of social interaction actually energizes, and by the time the viewcount becomes substantial, you've already disassociated chat as one single entity.
Extroverts have issues with streaming, because they rely on social interaction for energy.
The main thing about streaming is that you do it whenever you want to. If you do anything because you have to, it by default will drain energy. People dont really complain too much if you upload videos a bit inconsistently as they do if you streamed inconsistently. But if you set the standard of inconsistent streams, and that people can join whenever, its a breeze.
i really liked that you mentioned how important it is to evolve your content and that it's okay to go from one niche to another. it's nice to see you can still be successful when moving onto something else under the same name. thank you for the video, toast!
This is the realist, most object take I've heard
Same take as Hasan
@@eavocado5890pppjit's literally just people without context who are mad, the fact hasan is a political streamer is mostly why they're mad more than anything
@@MattyBmemes I know, it’s such a silly situation lol
@@eavocado5890pppj "When I was poor and I complained about inequality, I was being told I am bitter, when I was successful and I complained about inequality, I was being told I am hypocrite" (c)
Kind of same vibes, to be honest.
All that's needed to be objective is to view the 15 second "extended clip" with the context. That's literally all.
Is this Mogul Mails long lost brother?
Do you mean ludwig?
Do you mean ludwin?
Let's hope so.
No... this is Toast... better than mail.
Disguised Delivery
When I moved to a different country and my relatives learned my salary they were awed, when they learned how much costs to live in London they were awed as well just in different direction. That's a perfect example of seeing only one side. Same with streamers, youtubers, artists, actors, etc.. I know enough aspiring actors to pity them, because university students are usually living better :D
I absolutely love that you have the ability to talk things out in a clear and well mannered manner. You hit the nail on the head; many people just grow out of watching "said" content and either shift to different streamer, and/or don't have the ability to watch said content anymore.
In the past, I would watch EpicMealTime or FPS Russia on YT and never had the desire to watch streamers at all. Then Covid happened and the one good thing that you did (that everyone complained about I'm sure) was you switched to Facebook and streamed there. I came across your video of Among Us, the one where you marinated Cizzors. At first, I didn't watch it, but it kept coming up on my FB feed and eventually I watched it. It was SUPER entertaining (thanks to your editor) and I looked you up.
Fast forward to now, I've watched pretty much all your Among Us content, as well as your transition to E-Sports Gaming world. Congrats to you, even though it's incredibly hard and money draining. It was you, who introduced me to the world of streamers. I didn't know who Jacksepticeye or Pewdiepie was. Or even CorpseHusband or Valkyrae. Admittedly, I watch a little bit too much of Sykkuno just because he has the Troll aspect about him. Also, I've gotten to the age where I just watch re-runs of shows/videos. I binge (and fall asleep to) all of the Among Us era content. Yours, Sykkuno's, Valkyrae, and Corpse are my mains.
You're right though, I don't watch your content as much as I once did. The world keeps on spinning and my views change to what I feel like watching at any given moment. But congrats again on your accomplishments and I'm glad you put out this video. And thank you for introducing me to this world. I've thoroughly enjoyed your content as well as others. Keep up the struggle.
I always love listening to Toast Talk.
Just as a note to the not knowing what day it is, I have this but not because the schedule is that i can do what i want when i want, but because it doesnt matter what day it is. The work looks the same. Whether is a Wednesday or a Sunday. This was somewhat similar in my job before that, being a backend developer, with the main difference being that i didnt work Saturday/Sunday, so it was easier to know. But the moment it wasnt Monday anymore i had no clue what day it was since all worked in dates, regarding when projects have to be finished.
Id say the shift on things just change. Its very difficult to say whats easier or harder because some normal things turn very easy, while some other things you usually dont have to deal with become very hard. I think one of the biggest issues - maybe unless you earn so much it doesnt matter anymore - is that you pretty much turn into a robot that does what has the best response, while also isolating yourself almost completely. And when you get to know people you learn that there is quite a big amount that never heard of youtube before or just rarely used it for some music/fun videos and think you are just messing around.
It’s way easier but it’s harder to achieve and way more risk the pay check is not guaranteed
I feel like the biggest challenge would be being worried about being stalked and murdered if you get popular. If you got 1 million people that watch you sometimes, whats the odds that 1 in a million people are a dangerous psychopath? Pretty high.
It's not that fucking common and that's also why you don't put all your info on social media.
@@UA-camisranbypussies "1 in a million" = "not that fucking common"
@@UA-camisranbypussieseven non famous people can have psycho stalkers. so yes it is pretty fucking common
@@ttprophecy It's just not, you are watching too many movies. Now name 5 streamers out off the top of your head, who had that happen to them - that would be common.
@@PC-vp2cgpeople have been doxed a lot
You did a good job discussing this topic, Toast. People are quick to think that streaming is simple and easy and the top streamers make it look that way. However, as with any job, there are ups and downs, good points and bad and you explained these very well.
its cool to hate on successful people. that is just the way society is programmed
A lot of people be like, “x job is so easy I could do it,” but then their dumb asses can’t even open a lav door on an aircraft.
Thank you for taking this approach to the topic and drama.
I don't think the issue was Hasan saying streaming is draining. I think it was the implication that his job is more difficult than others. He could just say that streaming presents unique challenges w/o almost putting down other difficult jobs
yeah this, his statement was implying that streaming was more difficult than "real jobs" for being soul-sucking (as if real jobs can't also be soul sucking)
I really appreciate your input, Toast. You give your audience straight facts. I have some friends that are small streamers and even they get exhausted without thousands of followers. And the fact "being in the right place at the right time" game-wise is extremely important. Like you mentioned, Among Us was the game that really made me subscribe to you back in the day. We were all on lockdown and all I had was you lovely streamers providing excellent content. If I was even SLIGHTLY charismatic and witty I would have started streaming as well at the time, but that talent is reserved for people like you and the rest of the Among Us lobby.
lmao the editor speeding hassan up coz he speaks so slow made me laugh too much
or more like he speaks nonsense
He just yapping
@@someone3706he has been a political commentator for more than a decade now and has wrote, produced and worked for many main stream news organizations from Al-Jazzera to the New York times. He regularly has academic, historians, journalist and people who dedicate their entire life to a specific topic.
So did Claudine from Harvard and look how that turned out.
@@eavocado5890pppjIkr? And he still speaks nonsense.
Always appreciate the honesty and the insight Toast. I have actor friends living in LA as well and only so many people can make it to A or even B-list actor category. Most A-listers are nepo babies too so it’s crazy.
Streaming seems like a time and place thing so much. I wish I had the opportunity to get into it years back but bandwidth here has always been at a premium so I couldn’t afford the $250-$300 monthly plans that would’ve been adequate speed/data to stream while I was in college when streaming took off.
I think one of the main reasons people are especially mad this time is because most of the negatives that Toast posted out have become very prevalent in ALL jobs now, not just freelancing type careers. However, the positives remain a part of the things that are singularly to successful freelance type workers.
edit: not to mention the HUGE payout difference between most 9-5’s vs a successful streaming platform.
Realest answer is that people just love to get mad and hear drama, algos are optimized around engagement, and other content creators cater to the algos to boost their own metrics and cash.
If you scroll back even 2 minutes into the Hasan VOD, you'll learn that the conversation that led up to this was him talking about being low-energy at a party he went to after streaming. Saying "I just got off a 9 hour workday I'm sorry I'm pretty low energy RN" is the most normal-ass conversation anyone could ever have, yet here we are at 50M views and literally a thousand reaction videos later.
@@Ahwleung. Hasan literally has the worst haters. Clips of him that go viral almost always are taken out of context.
@ng.Thing is, everyone can say that. But nobody will present that their jobs are harder than everyone else's. That is a child's take, incredibly self-centered and is an insult to anyone else who actually have hard conditions of living. Also, coming from Hasaan who has some strong political views, it just puts the nail in the coffin on him looking absolutely like a privileged kid that is out-of-touch with reality. He is close to saying that no other job is as tough or no one understands what hard life streaming is. That is just an absolute lie. Many of the issues with a streaming job can be found elsewhere.
Not a hater, also I think it's fine to complain about your job to your friends. But we are not his friends AND we don't have to agree with his bs, especiallly when he presents it as a fact lol. It's not that some people probably have it harder than him, it's that MOST people probably have it much harder than him with much less reward or control.
Real
@@Ahwleung. Of course that’s a normal thing to say, it’s just unnecessary to compare other jobs to your job. Like, why would you do that. That’s so unproductive and unnecessary.
It's like if a friend tells you "Oh, I'm having the worst day" and you answer "There are people who have it worse". Like, everyone's feelings are valid, you suffering more doesn't automatically make me suffer any less. We should all be grateful and we should all feel how ever the fck we're feeling 👍
Exactly.
nope. a more accurate representation of why this rubbed people the wrong way is if you, as someone who had a bad day, went to someone who is objectively having a much shittier day and said "man your day could not be worse than mine is right now"
no one is objecting to the fact that streamers have problems too. no one is claiming that streamers all live perfect lives with no hardship. people are just pissed at someone who had the audacity to claim streaming is more "soul sucking" than regular jobs. that's it. it was a shitty take that came off as extremely out of touch and people are understandably upset.
@@nickhalden374 Yeah, I think if he used a different term more people would agree. I personally think streaming can absolutely be harder than some jobs. Most 9-5 desk jobs imo are easier than streaming. Especially considering some of these people stream 7 days a week with no vacation out of fear of losing their viewers if they take a break.
This is why luck loves toast cause not only he appreciate it, he shares it ^^
Imagine being socially drained from your "real" job and still be broke AF.
Learn to save your money, it's not that damn hard. Learn to go without.
@@UA-camisranbypussies Ah yes, I'll just go without food, that'll make me rich!
@@UA-camisranbypussies omfg what a tool
@@UA-camisranbypussies Not everyone lives with their parents like you clearly do.
@@alucard8433nothing wrong with that tho. In big parts of the world living in a house with all immediate family members are considered the social norms. Some times even with uncles and aunts are considered normal.
Toast, you single handedly got me into Teamfight Tactics & I thank you so much for that! I was able to reach Master rank, play against you, Scarra & even Mortdog himself! TFT & Among Us has a special place in my heart ♥️ shoutout to OfflineTV as well!
Hey Toast, I think you are great and you are now one of my favorite streamers/youtubers, I always watched you through other people, but now that I watch your videos, they are very good, and I think you are very genuine! Great Video!
I work in customer service, can relate to the social battery thing.
How about the amount Hasan makes a year?
Thank you for so much insight over the years as a streamer and a human. Every video youre in or make, brings a side/knowledge that most people think about but never say. Im so glad to have watched you grow from Hearthstone masked up, to a social media icon. Well deserved after all this time and more, keep on truckin! Funnelcake any1?
There are way too many that claim it is thanks toast for being honest
I mean it sounds like it’s hard, but most jobs are hard
@@corvacopia not really, worked at over 10 minimum wage jobs and none of those jobs were "hard". Sure at first they are physically hard but you get easily used to that.
@@RealTaIk I mean, there are different kinds of hard jobs, a lot of those kinds of jobs can be soul crushing for a lot of people
@@corvacopia I don't think so. Soul crushing jobs are usually healthcare jobs and those aren't that popular for that reason. (and of course because of the low pay in return)
@@RealTaIk there are a lot more jobs than that which can be soul crushing
I think you missed security problems and dealing with a lot of hate!! The risk to be doxxed (and also your family) is very high, there are a lot of trolls in the community (like a lot of streamers being swatted), a lot of female streamers deal with harassment too (that can happen in normal jobs but it’s very common with streamers). But must of these come with fame! Great video Toast!! 🤍
The only problem in Hassan's take is he compared streaming to a "real job". Not saying that streaming is not a real job. Although he didn't say it, it indirectly says that anything else besides streaming is not a real job is how it sounded to a lot of people.
If he said, "Streaming is hard and drains your social battery", no one would blink and everyone would agree to that but since he added a few more words "Streaming is hardER THAN A REAL JOB and drains your social battery", then the tone and the message changed.
For the average person who wants to create a good stable career for themselves the best thing they can do is find positions with high barriers of entry. There's no barrier to entry with streaming which means it's so much harder to succeed at it.
Oh my god. I didn’t realize I have been watching your content for almost a decade until you said it. Oh wow.
It's not hard it's just mentally draining if the audience you acquire happens to be people who harass you. The streaming and playing part can be tiring just as being awake and doing other things can be.
Sasaengs, swatting, being sexualized, death threats, doxxing, constant notifications and hate comments, people analyzing your every more, literally this and so so much more. I wouldn't call that "not hard". Not even to mention the psychological toll of this widespread, longitudinal people pleasing and content brain.
@@madisonblack7201 It's not hard, those things can happen to anyone anywhere. Not sure where you're trying to go with this.
@@YutaBLv LOL yes, but do normies experience this on a daily basis? Not at all. Especially not if you're not engaging is offensive behaviors.
The fact some of y'all don't even try to empathize with these streamers and public figures is just concerning and depressing. These things listed are objectively difficult for humans to endure.
@@madisonblack7201 you're assuming too much.
One thing that does not seem to be talked about is that when the negative aspect is optional like in the case of hasan, because he can control his own working/streaming hours as he is financially independent at this point, it can come across poorly to those that are not in a similarly privileged position, which is why in my opinion he's being called out
a super real version of this convo thats been going around. Ive watched the evolution since hearthstone and its been super cool to see the adaptation taking place.
Hey ive been following you since hearthstone with kripparian and trump and the others and followed you through your tft and otv times and you are really awesome. I really liked this video, the meta analysis was great.
you are awesome
It's the best opinion ive seen so far on the topic after ages of streamers with hot takes about how hard its to be a streamer and then randoms answering about how lucky they are (btw i always said something similar to you in this video).
My tldr was always that it's easier the life of a streamer but it's harder (if not impossible) to reach the point in which the life becomes easier (its way more elaborated just cba typing 2 much)
That’s also Hasan’s take people just point out one clip were he doesn’t meant how easily and lucky he is, he has been saying this shit for years.
@@eavocado5890pppj Haters go "hasan big mansion, not socialist, money big I'm angry, fuck him!"
As individuals what is "hard" wiil be different for everyone. I have tried streaming a few times and just 1-2h even with 0 viewers has me drained since i still have to try and keep talking throughout the stream just in case someone would join. I suffer from social anxiety so part of the draining experience for me is knowing i at any moment can be forced in to a social situation with a possible viewer.
As a comparison if i got to the gym for 1-2h i will get tired but not feel drained in the same way.
So yeah, people can have whatever opinion they want on Hassan but if that is his experience of streaming that is the experience he has.
When he said job security i thought he was going to talk about the creep that appears or the swatting that happens from time to time
Swatting is a streaming hazard, lmao
Thanks, I watched with my daughter who wants to do this as a job. Having a back up seems like a better idea now
I absolutely loved among us, especially toast’s POV. I now am on and off depending on the thumbnail and timing since I’m not a huge fan of E-Sports but I do like hearing him discuss a topic. Speaking off no job security, the first UA-camrs that came to mind were the couple ChrisandtheMike, and his wife Ashelyosity. I loved watching them play Jail Break on Roblox, but I eventually grew out of it. A couple months back I saw a TikTok asking what happened to them, and that’s when I found out both channels are gone. Still don’t know what happened 🤷🏻♀️
Honestly just complaining about the difficulties of streaming on its own isn't even that big of a deal. Just don't compare it to a real job lol
Toast is correct on the factors needed for success. Hacking at a tree with a blunted axe will take a long time to cut it down, that is why sharpening the axe is also a skill to be learned but most people dont realise that
Really like your variety content and excellent story telling! Started watching during pandemic too and was glad I discover you guys ❤ I don't really watch streaming but I like your vids on yt as well as otv vids 😊
I am an accountant, i work 8-10 hrs plus, and sure its not manual labor, but it is mental draining
i go home and sleep immediately and then wake up and go back to work. I have 0 social life, 0 friends, 0 relationships, i barely see my family. why? because im too tired to even put in effort to maintain these relationships.
so in a way, i understand, but also i feel like having a regular job is just a little easier.
Money is just so true with twitch recently increasing the ad revenue it has helped more but ofc as a small streamer I only average 20-40 views per stream but it allows me to make around 60-100 per month if im able to be consistent with streams and keep my average viewer count stable.
growing up with toast, joined around the hearthstone era, and was glad to see you join otv. but ultimatly you were still my number 1.
Literally posted 2s ago 😭😭😭 I’m in class still watching him
Been here since the Hearthstone days, I'm glad you're still down to earth. Keep being yourself. 🙂
I always love Toast's takes, he is always so honest
I also think that it's could be both super easy or hard depends on who you have connection with. If toast didn't meet with the offlineTV members he wouldn't have been as successful, I think scarra mentioned it himself that he was lucky to meet some people. I really appreciated that Toast unlike certain streammers, acknowledge the fact that he was lucky, despite there are many challenges. It's also difficult to be successful because there are already so many BIG content creator with better quality and best in their field like Tenz in valorant. So it could really be REALLY easy or REALLY hard depends on who you are, how good are you, and WHO do you have connections with.
Man, I LOVE these kind of videos of toast!!! Prob similar reason why I love pewdiepie's video too. It's just him being him, smart and honest + very self aware. We love you toast!!
toast is funny, smart and good looking my man did not even need luck to be big streamer
Unfortunately, envy is the likely trigger - for people on routine work, a streamer's life is like the greener pastures on the other side.
Personally I feel like a streamer is the same as any by-commission only based job and it encompasses all the challenges of job insecurity and discipline which many of us dont think much of, but will have it hard when put in that position.
Toast hadn't even mentioned some of the most objectively nightmare-ish aspects of streaming and being available in the public eye. Sasaengs, swatting, being sexualized, death threats, doxxing, constant notifications and hate comments, people analyzing your every more, literally this and so so much more. I would DESPISE being famous because you also can't really just disappear back into society as you please. Someone will constantly recollect the chapters of your life where you were basically a product being globally consumed...
No one is envy. There are other jobs "socially" draining. And more dangerous. What hasen whos family is rich and he has his spoon feed to him his whole life complain have a side gig. Bitch and moan.
Just like celebrities, “normal” people don’t think or at least put these streamers and content creators on a higher scale because of fame/popularity.
Just like how celebrities are often forgotten that they are human beings too, content creators are the same. :/
Agree that envy is the trigger.
@@branddransnothing like everyone forgets what he said. Had literally nothing to do with envy.
Great video, streaming does feel like a job that continues to be stressful even after becoming sucessful.
Shoutouts to the editor for putting the Club Penguin Pizza Parlor song in the vid
This was very helpful. I just started my Twitch Career and this gave me a lot to think about
I know you for being extremely transparent in the past so I’m excited to see how this video turned out brotha 👍🏽
thank you for always brightening my day toast, your a big inspiration, much love
I love your insightful content and how you shape your personality. You are emotional, rational, self-awared and confident at the same time, and I love that everytime you talk about streaming, you acknowledge the other's viewpoint first and give your own opinion. Not everything is black and white so by showing empathy, as an audience I felt it easier to understand your struggle.
It’s crazy that streamers don’t think people that work real jobs are putting on a performance for 9 hours a day
That's was a great video. All the points you made, made sense. The amount of luck that goes into being seen is such a huge part of it. I've seen amazing streamers with personality and the whole bells and whistles for their streams and they stream to 2-5 people. Hopefully one day they get more. But yeah right place right time is so important.
Yeah I think he pretty much nailed it. And notice how Toast keeps saying it doesnt really compare much to most other traditional jobs, as streaming is a rather unique job. Perfect. Highlighted some of the struggles of streaming too, and with data. Beautiful. If the goal is to gain empathy or to educate and the person is someone incredibly fortunate who worked hard but is in a privileged position, it is important to acknowledge that before talking about these things. Very well said Toast
I agree with you for the most part. I think even when Hasan tries to contextualize and elaborate things that he says there's already a hate train on X and in Discord servers and groups that literally LIVE to nonstop harass the dude. a lot of psychotic haters.
Although, Toast still missed countless challenges streamers are subject to, I find it ironic that people aren't realizing the reality that your job can be hard, but still not as hard as existing as a public figure. I would even go as far as to say, genuinely, the ONLY people would can say their jobs are objectively the hardest are things like vets, doctors, nurses, EMS, hospice workers... These careers are almost uniquely physically, emotionally, psychologically, spiritually, and mentally draining. There's a reason vets and doctors self exit at some of the highest rates...
@madisonblack7201 yeah I think it's almost pointless to compare job struggles though. Like let's say you work at retail and you tell me your feet hurt from standing all day. Then I go "yeah I'm a football player so my feet and whole body hurt. So my job is more physically demanding than yours." ...OK? Even if i am right, what does that conversation achieve? It just comes off dismissive of your struggles or some weird competition on who has it harder.
If a streamer wants to elaborate on the struggles of a streamer, fantastic. Go for it. But in Hasan case, the moment he started comparing his struggle to other jobs, of course many will take it as out of touch or even insulting, which I doubt was Hasans intention. But it is what it is.
this is a great breakdown of the pros and cons of being a streamer, i always appreciate how straightforward you are
Just hearing you speak is relaxing, fullmetal alchemist taught me that if you’re getting something- something of equal value is being sacrificed. You probably get this a lot, but genuinely: Thank you for sacrificing your time and sanity to improve mine.
One time i heard a phrase thats been stuck with me ever since. "Luck is when opportunity meets preparation" Now what does it mean? luck is fake? Nope! its luck, you never know when it comes, but for example JYNXZI, he streamed, a lot, then something happened, probably him or a viewer making a tiktok of a clip of him. Now if he werent streaming, that clip wouldnt have become viral on tiktok, so he wouldnt have the same succes as he did. SEE? preparation (him streaming) met opportunity (the tiktok going viral), now i cant tell if this is what made him succesful, but this IS a real thing. How do you expect people to watch your streams if you dont stream? if you dont expose your content? "but i dont have good content" then you havent prepared enough, so keep trying!
I have to say, as a DJ, a two to four hours set has sometimes taken more out of me than an 8 hour shift working in a kitchen, serving, or bartending. I think it depends on your environment and how well you settle into it.
All the seriousness aside for a moment, the DBZ music in the background made me nostalgic.
Insightful, concise and mature. What a breath of fresh air!
Toast, I watched you 9 years ago when you played HS but I stopped once my friends and I stopped playing the game. Found your videos again when you uploaded among us content and now I watch every video you upload.
People forget that sure streaming is easy compared to do manual labor but it’s also draining on the social side. They’re dismissing hasan because he’s rich and that’s the only part they care about.
I couldn't imagine how draining it is to entertain, plus edit videos and to do good you have to post pretty much everyday . 😮😢 I mean people could say my job is easy and so simple to but mentally it can be rough dealing with people all day everyday.
"They’re dismissing hasan because he’s rich and that’s the only part they care about." no. they are dismissing him because he tried to dismiss other peoples work. while crying wolf.
@@kendravoracek363699% of the top streamers don’t even edit their own videos lmao
@@sarcasticdragon8673 no it’s because he’s rich. Any small streamer would say this and you wouldn’t care. He’s a large streamer and rich. I can guarantee someone like you wouldn’t last in his shoes. Imagine going on to entertain a couple thousand people and have 100s of idiots go after you. You only hate him because he’s rich. Not for what he said. You don’t even care about that
They're dismissing Hasan because there are a number of other jobs that are very socially draining, and he said that there was no other job as soul draining as streaming. And those other jobs don't make you rich like streaming can, like Hasan is. And they don't have the benefit of being able to take the time off to recover if they wanted to, or to just quit and live off they're millions of dollars.
I really like the transparency, it definitely explains a lot about the struggles of being a streamer.
Toast comes across as really authentic. He is the kind of casual that makes you go "I could be friends with this guy irl". I like that
To be fair to his community, when you make a point to encourage your followers to ignore context and emotionally react on their gut feelings instead then double down when an attempt is made to explain context after the fact. You can't really be surprised when they do just that.
To be honest I enjoy your content more now, you have grown up so much for the last 4 years. Keep the good work dude, you are the best!
Is it just me or does toast look younger now than he did in the flashback?
God damn Asians, always looking like teens when they pushing 40 it's not fair
Being a content creater is extremely hard, but only if you are at a high level like valkyrae or something.
Honestly I think most people miss what made everyone upset. Even Toast. Its not that he was complaining about streaming. Its that he said its harder than "normal" jobs. If he didnt compare, no one would care imo.
A HUGE point is that Asmon or Hasan or any other top streamer could just stop and live a wealthy life. Most people are forced to work and cannot quit even if they wanted...
wooow i totally forgot about Rooster Teeth Minecraft series, those were so good back then
A job is a means to an end. A way to support yourself and your loved ones financially in exchange for your labor. Thats it. If youre lucky enough to enjoy it, great.
Some are easier than others, and in different ways. Digging a ditch is extremely physically difficult, but not mentally draining at all. Conversely, being a therapist has no physical aspect to the job, but is incredibly mentally and emotionally draining.
Comparing those difficulties is valid, but the more relevant comparison is in the ratio of effort to reward.
Hassan puts in A1 amount of effort to get B1 amount of income. Standard janitor puts in A2 amount of effort for B2 amount of income.
Hassan wants to highlight the difficulties of A1 while diminishing those of A2 while completely ignoring the massive disparity between B1 and B2. Thats why people are mad. Most people arent even refuting the statements that streaming is mentally and socially taxing. I imagine it is. But that stress in his life has eliminated any concerns over financial security. Thats not inconsequential. If you want to complain about your job, dont do it to people who would kill for the opportunity, and are struggling to make ends meet. It stinks of narcissism and shows just how out of touch you are.
Great video toast, love this type of content.
To me, you are that streamer that used to watch every single time you uploaded content. I no longer watch anything from you but, I'm glad you are still doing good and evolved. Keep it up Toast, you are a great content creator nevertheless.
To say it’s harder is ignorant. It’s harder to achieve greatness/stability in, but it isn’t harder to actually do. There’s also a risk when devoting your full time to it, but the actual task isn’t harder than many 9-5 jobs. There’s a big difference.
better to be socially tiring than everything else tiring. working for real will still make you socially tiring along with physically
It's insane how accurate that Rooster Teeth comment is, especially now.
You're not out of touch...I don't have any of the 3 qualities that you mention, but maybe I can work on that effort portion as I stream.
its a unique bond with streamers and chat as to viewers to said content creator, right? some will leave to find similar content to compare and want to collab with their old entertainment for a fun experiences!! idk, just putting my thoughts out there and im tryna get in the streaming scene myself!! Love otv
I think I heard of you before Facebook, vaguely, and then started watching around the pandemic. I don't associate you with any game and enjoy your content because it's well made, funny, and I can rely on you for an entertaining video.
if I were to substitute big streamers with another profession, it would be CEO’s.
now everything feels easier to digest and process.
As someone working a more traditional blue collar job and probably putting similar hours in, i feel like i can confidently say that streaming and the wider general entertainment industry is definitely more draining. Most people just look and the surface and see that it isn't incredibly strict or labor intensive and immediately assume its all sunshine and rainbows. In my opinion mental and emotional labor will almost always be more draining than their physical counterpart, and the fact streamers put themselves through that, sometimes for weeks on end with no days off, makes me respect the career path even more. I know for damn sure i could never do that full time.