@@SuperRobbro Thanks, for your Comment! KSL: 2 Engines, KSL2: Many Problems again… Now i own a KSL2 S- Works, again. After 863 km: No Problems, so far.
Here’s what I want: Full powered (ZF motor), 18kg bike that looks like a mtb and climbs like a goat. Lastly, don’t be greedy - yes you have had a tough few years and may still be reeling but don’t take us for mugs! Please!
I’m nearing 8000miles on my Gen2 turbo Levo and other than an intermittent power cable (covered by warranty) this bike has been rock solid and never left me wanting for anything more. I’m continually impressed by its range, power, uphill capabilities and its downhill stability. Simple is better. Power, weight and reliability beats lightweight delicate ebikes. As for cost, sometimes you actually get what you pay for and that’s been true for everyone I know who has a Specialized ebike. Haters gonna hate, but one day on a Specialized ebike will have them falling in love.
There are LOTS of great EMTB's out there, not just Specialized have bikes that work great. In a year they are all outdated by new offerings and value drops big time, so its much better to just keep riding what you have. Specialized and TREK each charge a big premium for the name, like 2K on a high dollar bike. Thats just how it works.
I have a 2020 levo and while I have been critical of specialized elitism I have to admit the brand has done right by me. The bike has been awesome. I ride a couple days a week and beat the snot out of the bike and it continues to impress. They doubled my warranty and yes I did need to have my motor changed at 2 years in but for my bike to be in the shop for a week I had a quick turn over time and a brand new motor. I have heard a lot of comments about their bikes but I’m extremely happy with my bike 4 years in. The company and service won me over. A freaking awesome bike.
What I want from Specialized and any other manufacturer is to dump derailers and move on to internal gearboxes/motors like the Pinion. Competition is needed to bring the costs down. I’m tired of the constant maintenance. Thanks for the show.
Get out your wallet, it will be 10K minimum for a gearbox bike that really works. It will be heavy. Might be 15K for a really good one. Your ready for that? My KTM 690 didnt cost that frikken much and makes 75HP, and goes 115 mph, can do 400 miles a day easy.
SOOOO, basically they said nothing about whats coming in 2025, do I then assume Specialized aren't bringing to market new technology? Was this a wasted opportunity for the marketing guys to promote their brand? I Love my 2020 Levo and even when things went wrong they honoured the warranty quickly (thanks Willride). I'm now in the market for a new bike but the 2024 model isnt exciting me over the competition and with nothing new planned I need to look around.
I love the Specialized Levo and have owned two of them. My only complaint is the Brose motor, my first Levo was a 2019 Expert and the belt failed on the motor at 800 miles. Specialized was very good replacing the motor at no cost to me. I traded that bike in for 2022 Specialized Levo Pro and just recently again the Brose belt failed at 1,600 miles. But this time I was offered a replacement motor for $600.00. I opted to have the motor rebuilt and upgraded by “eBike Motor Repair”. Because of all the riding down time with motor failures, I was forced to purchase a backup 2022 Orbea Wild eBike. 😢
Transmission is the key to innovation in modern mountain biking, if you still release a bike with cassette and derailleur system today is already old because that's the weakest part of the bikes today... talking about reliability is absolutely agreeable but seriously transmission on e-mountain bikes needs a serious revolution otherwise you're talking about nothing.
I bought a 2023 kenevo comp last fall. Been a fantastic bike so far. Ride it hard, hasn’t let me down yet, around 1,000km on it to date. It’s wicked on rocky tech trails, bombing dh trails with non-lift access, and any trails with some decent elevation. For some tighter xc trails its a bit much bike but I’ll just ride a diff bike for those trails.
I live in Scotland and ride in all kinds of weather, I have the 2022 kenevo full power, it's a brilliant bike, capable and confidence inspiring up or down. The only thing that bothers me is motor reliability, I am.on my second motor and like I say i live in Scotland and need the bike to be fully weather protected, I do have the weather. Kit fitted when the new motor was put in but surly for UK riders all the ebikes should come with as much weather protection as possible to keep the crud out the motor.
The current levo is a great bike as an all round package. Not always the best value for money, but everything is better integrated than most other brands, plus there are often good sales on them. The only thing that im less keen on is the asthetic of the motor housing. I expect that will be addressed in the future. Dispite being out for a while its still a benchmark model.
Feedback segment 18:51 - I turned 68 this year and ride less than I used to. I bought a Specialized Turbo Vado a few months back. Odometer is now reading over 800 miles. EBiking, in what ever form allows you to ride more.
What did you know in 2018 with the 1.3 aluminium silent ,smooth, powerful motor that you still can't repeat now. I went backwards to get what I and many others want. I've upgraded my Red carbon 2018 Levo with 170mm Fox 38's, Fox DPX2 shock, 9point8 steering head Slacker kit (now 63⁰) 29x3 front and yes 27.5 x3.25 rear with inserts. Seat hard forward to effectively steepen seat tube angle, 150mm cranks, and goodbye derailleurs with a manual change 14 speed Rohloff hub. It really works for me and the silence is golden. The rebuilt motor with better belt and bearings and sealing is quieter and better than the latest brose .Two 500wh batteries is the GO for me.I also have a spare motor... It's my go to bike from the 5 later Emtbs we have. I've learnt that weight actually works for me as I'm only 63kg. E=Mtb²
@@bradsanders6954 Yes Probably spent total of $19k Australian ( £9700 uk €11.500 $12800 us ). But "Despite the high cost of living it remains popular." At my age I only spend money on things that make me healthier. I've already had 10,000+ km of the The magic of Emtbs that turn us into gleeful kids again and broaden our ability to explore terrain multiplying the joy of one of mans greatest gravity cheating inventions the bicycle. They are a Time Machine. Another 10,000km easy of sheer off road Fun. For me it's more satisfying to update the geometry and feel of this bike than buy a new one .The belt drive Pinion MGU bikes are impossible to purchase and sound like a coffee grinder uphill. Silence is absolutely golden and the Brose 1.3 firmware is spot on.👌. I tried to buy a Nicolai Eboxx GT1 but it was all too hard outside Europe. E=Mtb²
Smaller bottom bracket that looks more like a regular bike instead of this great big thing. Love the handling the versatility of the bike. I've never had a problem with the motor but a lot of people sure have.
...was the benchmark up until 2021... they've been leveled up by Trek, Orbea, Canyon, YT, Giant etc. Time to update with new gen and compete against full powered lighter weight Raymon ZF-90 and AMFlow DJI-110.
Specialized definitely needs to add a MGU with belt drive to their ebikes lineup, that would be my dream SUV bike you guys can add the pinion system to your ebikes. Come one already.
I have a turbo, levo gen 3 The bike is truly amazing. Talking about reliability, I was hoping you had discussed the future of electric mountain bike drive trains. I think the future is going to be gearboxes with belt drives. I believe this would bring great benefits and much more reliability than existing systems
The full fat Kenevo (not talking about the Kenevo SL) is stock with 180 mm Boxxer fork front and also 180mm rear travel. You can easily mullet the full power Kenevo by fitting it with the 29er boxxer fork lower or you can do a full 29 er front and rear set up no problem. Can also remove the stock 180 mm Boxxer and install a similar size (axle to crown measurement) single crown 29 er fork. The Kenevo is the best bike on the market for its flexibility, integration, warranty, non clunking motor, etc.
@@Grifterbiden as a Kenevo SL (expert) gen 1 owner, I would say that this is the one. Better geometry, weight, and fit pretty well between the full emtb and muscular with its 35Nm. Now up to 50 with the gen 2. But I do not recommend to switch it to mullet cause it was not designed to be one.
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@@Grifterbiden I know, but the kenevo is no longer available from Specialized, which means they are going to release a new one and mullet some time soon
Love the Specialized customer support, I’ve currently got a Gen 3 Levo Expert. Had a Kenevo SL comp before this. I want reliability! Love the way the bikes ride, but needed a new wiring loom in the Kenevo SL plus a new motor at 1700 miles. Needed a new motor in the Levo at 1500 miles. To there credit and a local dealer all done under warranty and quickly too. So I am happy to buy the same brand when I get a new bike. But I would like to see testing in UK conditions as those motors don’t seem to last very long. Reliability reliability reliability!
Bought my first Gen2 Levo Comp in 2019 after looking at all sorts of information from the industry, testing by magazines, EMBN etc. On riding the bike it took a while to get to grips with the power settings, but after tuning my motor in Mission Control it suited my needs and was able to do things (climbing especially) that i'd never have been able to do on my pedal bike. The quality of the build was pretty good, the spec was great, but did upgarde my tyres to Gravity spec to cope with the punishment they took on the downhill flow. I have looked at other bikes and agree that reducing the weight isn't the be all to end all, I like the weight as it makes the downhill flow feel planted and secure. Specialized make damn good bikes, just keen to see what's coming next from them.
They just need a WAY more reliable motor. I have 3 friends with Levos - ALL are on their 3rd motor. My previous gen Kenevo had 3 motors. My current gen Kenevo is now on its 4th!! And I had to pay €600 towards the last one, even though it was within the 4y bike warranty, because the 3rd motor they put in was just under 2ys in and although it was allegedly 'improved over the orignal (and the 2nd one)" it then only came with a 2y warranty. It is absolutely disgraceful!
Went through to two s-works Levo’s gen 2 & 3 I believe , both had full motor replacements under warranty and one battery…..love the bikes and only switched to a Pivot AM, as I felt it rode better. I also got annoyed at how specialized treats my local dealer, hopefully they don’t forget about the enthusiasts shops along the way.
My Gen 2 Levo has been generally a very good bike but on my third battery in less than four years despite doing everything by the book to care for it. I live and ride mostly in North Wales hills and more attention needs to be paid to keeping water out of electrical components. Very disappointed to have to pay £450 toward my third battery after the 2nd only lasted 37 charging cycles. I contested it was not fit for purpose but Specialized disagreed. Brought into focus the elephant in the emtb room namely massive purchase price but virtually worthless thereafter. Either we continue to pay extortionate prices for components or wind up with a piece of scrap metal. Much as I love riding , sad to say as a retired pensioner I will struggle to justify buying another bike when my current one becomes uneconomical to repair. If I were to spend the same purchase price on an off road motorcycle , it would continue to have a residual value towards an upgrade for many years. Not so with an emtb.
I ride a Levo G3 which I love but it’s very heavy for me, a 54yr old female. I have trouble lifting it over obstacles and on to my bike rack. Please consider making the G4 sub 20kg. Plus if you can include the option for bottle cage addition batteries I can join my friends on multi day rides where charging isn’t an option. Thanks
I ride a 2022 Levo s2. Great bike. Just a thought, I’d really like slightly longer chainstays. Even in long/low I feel the front center : rear center ratio is a bit wonky
What We Want is a Kenevo With MGU and Belt and a 750wh Battery and Alloy Frame to Keep cost Down And a Weight of 24KG ,Now Go and Make it Happen ?Oh And Ready For Next Summer🙂
I'm still on original levo from 2015 , great bike even by today standards, also set the tone for industry. it did not have display, like Steve mentioned
I had a generation one SL comp put a slack R headset changed the front end to 64°. Then I got a generation three Turbo Levo comp. I ride in the hills behind Laguna Beach. I live up on the hill in Laguna Niguel. I could ride my SL down to the park with no power. And the bike had no drag in the system, it felt like a normal mountain bike. With the Turbo Levo, I always have to have the power on therefore it uses more power from the battery. When you turn the motor off on that bike, it feels like there’s a 20 mile an hour headwind. On the SL I could do three different rides each approximately 10 miles. On the Turbo Levo because I have to use the power full-time I can only do two rides. I would like a full powered bike that weighs 43 to 45 pounds max. With no drag in the system.
My gen 3 levo (comp) is awesome decends like a single pivot DH bike but without the chatter and slap climbs like a cocaine fuelled goat and 12 months in proven to be bullet proof ive done about 1000 miles in/around dyfi & machynlleth which is an actual rain forest! Had to bin those wheels tho’ and the budget rhythum forks. Id like the charge limit feature back in the app it seems to have gone awol and a bit more ground clearance Axel height is good but they could shave a bit off the motor
Well, I agree that reliability is crucial and lightness does not come often with it but I would say reducing the weight is the way to go. The SL should have much more focus as it will attract more analog bikers. Having tried both FP Levo and SL, I better stayed with analog bike than the FP. SL is a game changer, it makes analog bikes obsolete. It is all the bike you need. It just need to get a bot more power and a bit bigger battery. Yes, it would be heavier, but here comes R&D, make it same weight.
Reliability and durability would be nice.. had my levo sl for 7 months, within 4 weeks the remote on the handle bars packed up and needed to be replaced. It sat at the store for 4 weeks waiting for new unit. After 5 months the motor had permanent failure which was another 2 weeks bike less. The rear hub has also failed and the rear rim is softer than warm butter, bent with an insert and I'm not even running low pressure, 32 psi on the rear. My mates new kenevo sl display just packed up and his rim has also folded already within 2 months of buying the bike.
Glad I bought a Santa Cruz after hearing nothing from these guys. The Kenevo needs the Levo motor to be on par with the competition. As stated in this video more guys prefer more power than less power and less weight. Exactly why I went with the Bullit vs Kenevo.
I’ll take my full fat aluminum frame Kenevo any day over a bullet. I ride with two guys with bullets they always run out of power due to much smaller batteries, plus I can set up easily as a full 29er, or set up as a mullet or ride as stock with full 27.5. Quick change to 29er front fork lowers on the stock Boxxer fork makes all that possible very easily.
Click bait.. EMBN your better that this. I have owned all Gen Levos.. their good, but far from the best bike, especially considering cost to value. Brose announced a 48 V 95 NM system a while back. That's all Spesh is bringing out . With some new software similar to Shimano.
very nice, but it is difficult to understand that the masterminds of spe came here without letting you try the levo g4! and as usual all the youtubers will release their video at the same time in 2 months ...
👍You don't need more torque that you can handle. It's why the two stroke 500cc motocross biken is just a memory for collection😂. I love my Specialized Levo SL S-Works Carbon 1.1 that I built from frameset so much, that I bough one more frameset and built one more to have as a spare bike😂. These bike have 170mm Öhlin and Fox Factory forks and Fox Factory coli 216x63mm at the rear, Roval carbon wheels, XTR groups hole through. I have also a Orbea Rise 60Nm total rebuilt with Öhlin 170mm fork Fox Factory coil 216x63mm damper and DT-SWISS mullet 1200 carbon wheels. I tryed a 85Nm Yamaha moro that I rebuilt to Marvic mullet, Öhlin 170mm fork and Fox Factory coil 216x63mm damper, this bike rebuilt to standard and sold it to my friend hwo need to train😂, because I didn't whant torque, but exercise with a bike easy to handle😉
My shimano motor unit has failed. Motor and torque sensor are both working perfectly, but an internal ($50) cog has worn out. Shimano offer no servicing or maintenance and the only solution is to replace the entire unit for nearly $2K. 18000km in 5 years and they claim that I should be happy with that. They want $2K because a $50 cog failed!? Off to court we go.
It's only the Levo SL (Super Light) that runs the 320wh batteries. These models can also be used with range extenders. The full power Levo uses 500 or 700wh batteries depending on the spec level.
It would be interesting to get SOME info especially on battery nd/or specs and timing of products coming to the market … usp of specialized presently not there … 😞
My gen 3 Levo motor went after one year and 1 day, but specialized were great to deal with for warranty. However they need to allow users to upgrade the TCU to mastermind as software locking is disappointing. Not everyone can afford the super bikes and I wanted aluminium, not carbon. I want to spend money with Specialized for a TCU as my budget allows, but they won’t allow it. Forcing me to spend significant money to upgrade to a new bike, as the only way to get Mastermind, seems unreasonable. For me, it significantly takes away from an otherwise great bike.
Power is an interesting subject when it comes to eBikes, too much power can sometimes be as bad as too little. Some companies believe that 90-95nm is the sweet spot 🤘
Yep, much higher priorities than more power. I don't even use the boost on my bosch and been up all sorts of tech steep hills. But I worry about rain and puddles coming = higher priority.
Specialized should do something about the engines, after 1200 km my second belt blew, I live on the other side of the world and warranty does not exist here, warranty all over the world?? forget it, that does not exist, such an expensive bike and he standing there in the stable.
Bought a Levo comp alloy 6 weeks ago, out of the box the back rim was broken making a clunk sound on each rotation. I took the bike to a Specialized concept store in Harrogate and they swapped it there and then fantastic service. Six weeks later the same problem on the front wheel. Appointment made in Harrogate for Monday fingers crossed they will just swap it again. Just find it ironic your talk about quality. The basic rims don’t seem to be the best for a full power Levo. But it has been the best six weeks of riding since I started in 2016
What are your opinions on Specialized bikes? Let us know in the comments below!
The Remote must be Bluetooth- controlled, 400Wh Battery and 60 Nm of Torque and 180 mm Fork- for the KSL!
@@SuperRobbro Thanks, for your Comment! KSL: 2 Engines, KSL2: Many Problems again…
Now i own a KSL2 S- Works, again.
After 863 km: No Problems, so far.
Best looking bikes hands down...Super Nice!
they lead the way back in 2015 till perhaps 2021, then fall behind while their pricing went very premium
Not so "special" to me.
Here’s what I want:
Full powered (ZF motor), 18kg bike that looks like a mtb and climbs like a goat. Lastly, don’t be greedy - yes you have had a tough few years and may still be reeling but don’t take us for mugs! Please!
Where are you on a MGU for your bikes? I believe this is what ebike riders want, I know I do.
What the riders want? A specialized app that has the functionality of the previous version would be a good start. The current app sucks.
I’m not using it again after it randomly stopped and didn’t record 95% of my ride.
For me it’s a great App…better than most available today…
@@brokenlegz what are you using then? there is any other app that record the ride?
@@666-dzichat8 Strava
Oh it' sucks
I’m nearing 8000miles on my Gen2 turbo Levo and other than an intermittent power cable (covered by warranty) this bike has been rock solid and never left me wanting for anything more. I’m continually impressed by its range, power, uphill capabilities and its downhill stability. Simple is better. Power, weight and reliability beats lightweight delicate ebikes. As for cost, sometimes you actually get what you pay for and that’s been true for everyone I know who has a Specialized ebike. Haters gonna hate, but one day on a Specialized ebike will have them falling in love.
Yep, Gen 2 Kenevo.
Love it 👍
There are LOTS of great EMTB's out there, not just Specialized have bikes that work great.
In a year they are all outdated by new offerings and value drops big time, so its much better to just keep riding what you have. Specialized and TREK each charge a big premium for the name, like 2K on a high dollar bike. Thats just how it works.
Agreed, I have a 2021 Turbo Kenevo, I loooove that machine! The power, the handling, simplicity, and our dealer here in Cedar City is fantastic.
I have a 2020 levo and while I have been critical of specialized elitism I have to admit the brand has done right by me. The bike has been awesome. I ride a couple days a week and beat the snot out of the bike and it continues to impress. They doubled my warranty and yes I did need to have my motor changed at 2 years in but for my bike to be in the shop for a week I had a quick turn over time and a brand new motor. I have heard a lot of comments about their bikes but I’m extremely happy with my bike 4 years in. The company and service won me over. A freaking awesome bike.
What I want from Specialized and any other manufacturer is to dump derailers and move on to internal gearboxes/motors like the Pinion. Competition is needed to bring the costs down. I’m tired of the constant maintenance. Thanks for the show.
Get out your wallet, it will be 10K minimum for a gearbox bike that really works.
It will be heavy. Might be 15K for a really good one. Your ready for that?
My KTM 690 didnt cost that frikken much and makes 75HP, and goes 115 mph, can do 400 miles a day easy.
2nd
kenevo! What about the full power kenevo!!!!!!!
Kenevos been abandoned. the tripple clamp was a beast - all they needed to do was make it a 29er with 180 travel.
Bring back to life Kenevo fullpower . 170 mm, under 21 kg, 100 nm
When’s the new Kenevo coming out 💯 ❤
SOOOO, basically they said nothing about whats coming in 2025, do I then assume Specialized aren't bringing to market new technology? Was this a wasted opportunity for the marketing guys to promote their brand?
I Love my 2020 Levo and even when things went wrong they honoured the warranty quickly (thanks Willride). I'm now in the market for a new bike but the 2024 model isnt exciting me over the competition and with nothing new planned I need to look around.
New kenevo full fat probably best ebike ever made
What was the point, the SPZ boyz were so tight a*sed about their future product.
"When can we expect the Gen 4 Levo?"
- September 30th 2024 😜
"Super Nice!!!" to the camera man breathing heavily on the mic 🤣
I did wonder what that was in the background 😂
Nice conversation. I bought an ARI because I was tired of waiting for a new Levo.
Still a great bike! Hopefully we won't have to wait much longer.
The entry price Tero 3.0 as I’m on a budget. Only really for commuting.
I love the Specialized Levo and have owned two of them. My only complaint is the Brose motor, my first Levo was a 2019 Expert and the belt failed on the motor at 800 miles. Specialized was very good replacing the motor at no cost to me. I traded that bike in for 2022 Specialized Levo Pro and just recently again the Brose belt failed at 1,600 miles. But this time I was offered a replacement motor for $600.00. I opted to have the motor rebuilt and upgraded by “eBike Motor Repair”. Because of all the riding down time with motor failures, I was forced to purchase a backup 2022 Orbea Wild eBike. 😢
"What comes next?"... and they talk about Tyres...
I'am at 16:55... and they say nothing about a new KSL, or anything else!
I am OR I'm . Not I'am.
@@vashon100 Thx!
I have a gen 2 Levo and there hasn’t been a reason to change. I’m waiting but gen 2 was a beast.
Same.
Same with Gen 2 full fat Kenevo. Such a flexible bike like a levo on steroids with 180 mm front and rear.
To the specialized boys , please bring out some decent colours on the next gen
Totally agreed!! Awesome machine, but most of the time the colors available are so lame… 😒 Come on Specialized, give us some fresh and sexy colors!!
Transmission is the key to innovation in modern mountain biking, if you still release a bike with cassette and derailleur system today is already old because that's the weakest part of the bikes today... talking about reliability is absolutely agreeable but seriously transmission on e-mountain bikes needs a serious revolution otherwise you're talking about nothing.
I bought a 2023 kenevo comp last fall. Been a fantastic bike so far. Ride it hard, hasn’t let me down yet, around 1,000km on it to date. It’s wicked on rocky tech trails, bombing dh trails with non-lift access, and any trails with some decent elevation. For some tighter xc trails its a bit much bike but I’ll just ride a diff bike for those trails.
I live in Scotland and ride in all kinds of weather, I have the 2022 kenevo full power, it's a brilliant bike, capable and confidence inspiring up or down. The only thing that bothers me is motor reliability, I am.on my second motor and like I say i live in Scotland and need the bike to be fully weather protected, I do have the weather. Kit fitted when the new motor was put in but surly for UK riders all the ebikes should come with as much weather protection as possible to keep the crud out the motor.
Agreed about the weather proofing. Needs to be a priority. Right now people are thinking do I risk seals or hang it up for the season.
The current levo is a great bike as an all round package. Not always the best value for money, but everything is better integrated than most other brands, plus there are often good sales on them. The only thing that im less keen on is the asthetic of the motor housing. I expect that will be addressed in the future. Dispite being out for a while its still a benchmark model.
I agree, I enjoy technical climbing on my 21' Turbo Kenevo, every bit as much as I do going down hill! What a great machine!
'21 vs 21'
Gen 2 climbs much better than gen 3 gen 3 is only slightly better at decending gen 2 rocks still
Feedback segment 18:51 - I turned 68 this year and ride less than I used to. I bought a Specialized Turbo Vado a few months back. Odometer is now reading over 800 miles. EBiking, in what ever form allows you to ride more.
What did you know in 2018 with the 1.3 aluminium silent ,smooth, powerful motor that you still can't repeat now. I went backwards to get what I and many others want. I've upgraded my Red carbon 2018 Levo with 170mm Fox 38's, Fox DPX2 shock, 9point8 steering head Slacker kit (now 63⁰) 29x3 front and yes 27.5 x3.25 rear with inserts. Seat hard forward to effectively steepen seat tube angle, 150mm cranks, and goodbye derailleurs with a manual change 14 speed Rohloff hub. It really works for me and the silence is golden. The rebuilt motor with better belt and bearings and sealing is quieter and better than the latest brose .Two 500wh batteries is the GO for me.I also have a spare motor... It's my go to bike from the 5 later Emtbs we have. I've learnt that weight actually works for me as I'm only 63kg. E=Mtb²
So waddya got? 14K in that bike all in? Or closer to 16?
@@bradsanders6954 Yes Probably spent total of $19k Australian ( £9700 uk €11.500 $12800 us ). But "Despite the high cost of living it remains popular."
At my age I only spend money on things that make me healthier. I've already had 10,000+ km of the The magic of Emtbs that turn us into gleeful kids again and broaden our ability to explore terrain multiplying the joy of one of mans greatest gravity cheating inventions the bicycle. They are a Time Machine.
Another 10,000km easy of sheer off road Fun. For me it's more satisfying to update the geometry and feel of this bike than buy a new one .The belt drive Pinion MGU bikes are impossible to purchase and sound like a coffee grinder uphill.
Silence is absolutely golden and the Brose 1.3 firmware is spot on.👌.
I tried to buy a Nicolai Eboxx GT1 but it was all too hard outside Europe. E=Mtb²
@@bradsanders6954 Despite the high cost of living it remains popular. E=Mtb²
@@bradsanders6954 Total from new in 2018 about $19 k Australian $12500 US but 10,000km so far of Fun and another
15, 000 km going foward. E=Mtb²
Basically I learnt that guys with hats from specialized like a good tyre. Thank you best interview ever!
I love my gen3 Levo, but I'm definitely excited for all these new breakthroughs like light/powerful motors and especially gearbox + belt drive.
New kenevo 29er and mullet option coil shock maybe tad lighter
HaHaHaHa! 😂😂😂 Excellent try Mr Jones. I really enjoyed their squirming and how good humoured it all was. Very good from you all, thanks 🎉
Smaller bottom bracket that looks more like a regular bike instead of this great big thing.
Love the handling the versatility of the bike. I've never had a problem with the motor but a lot of people sure have.
i missed the question - what about the turbo kenevo ... we be missing any news since years
...was the benchmark up until 2021... they've been leveled up by Trek, Orbea, Canyon, YT, Giant etc. Time to update with new gen and compete against full powered lighter weight Raymon ZF-90 and AMFlow DJI-110.
200mm kenevo with adjustable travel options
Specialized definitely needs to add a MGU with belt drive to their ebikes lineup, that would be my dream SUV bike you guys can add the pinion system to your ebikes. Come one already.
I am disappointed by the lack of enthusiasm from these guys.
I have a turbo, levo gen 3 The bike is truly amazing. Talking about reliability, I was hoping you had discussed the future of electric mountain bike drive trains. I think the future is going to be gearboxes with belt drives. I believe this would bring great benefits and much more reliability than existing systems
Hoping for a longer travel Levo or Kenevo mullet
Longer than the 170 of the Kenevo ?
@@kodj06I am talking about a new 180mm full power Kenevo mullet
The full fat Kenevo (not talking about the Kenevo SL) is stock with 180 mm Boxxer fork front and also 180mm rear travel. You can easily mullet the full power Kenevo by fitting it with the 29er boxxer fork lower or you can do a full 29 er front and rear set up no problem. Can also remove the stock 180 mm Boxxer and install a similar size (axle to crown measurement) single crown 29 er fork. The Kenevo is the best bike on the market for its flexibility, integration, warranty, non clunking motor, etc.
@@Grifterbiden as a Kenevo SL (expert) gen 1 owner, I would say that this is the one. Better geometry, weight, and fit pretty well between the full emtb and muscular with its 35Nm. Now up to 50 with the gen 2. But I do not recommend to switch it to mullet cause it was not designed to be one.
@@Grifterbiden I know, but the kenevo is no longer available from Specialized, which means they are going to release a new one and mullet some time soon
I think they are bang on the money with the sl kenevo , exactly what I need from a ebike
Love the Specialized customer support, I’ve currently got a Gen 3 Levo Expert. Had a Kenevo SL comp before this. I want reliability! Love the way the bikes ride, but needed a new wiring loom in the Kenevo SL plus a new motor at 1700 miles. Needed a new motor in the Levo at 1500 miles. To there credit and a local dealer all done under warranty and quickly too. So I am happy to buy the same brand when I get a new bike.
But I would like to see testing in UK conditions as those motors don’t seem to last very long. Reliability reliability reliability!
Bought my first Gen2 Levo Comp in 2019 after looking at all sorts of information from the industry, testing by magazines, EMBN etc. On riding the bike it took a while to get to grips with the power settings, but after tuning my motor in Mission Control it suited my needs and was able to do things (climbing especially) that i'd never have been able to do on my pedal bike. The quality of the build was pretty good, the spec was great, but did upgarde my tyres to Gravity spec to cope with the punishment they took on the downhill flow. I have looked at other bikes and agree that reducing the weight isn't the be all to end all, I like the weight as it makes the downhill flow feel planted and secure. Specialized make damn good bikes, just keen to see what's coming next from them.
Awesome watch! kenevo for life!
They just need a WAY more reliable motor. I have 3 friends with Levos - ALL are on their 3rd motor. My previous gen Kenevo had 3 motors. My current gen Kenevo is now on its 4th!! And I had to pay €600 towards the last one, even though it was within the 4y bike warranty, because the 3rd motor they put in was just under 2ys in and although it was allegedly 'improved over the orignal (and the 2nd one)" it then only came with a 2y warranty. It is absolutely disgraceful!
You always do a great job Stevie....EMTB is lucky to have you and we are too....
Went through to two s-works Levo’s gen 2 & 3 I believe , both had full motor replacements under warranty and one battery…..love the bikes and only switched to a Pivot AM, as I felt it rode better. I also got annoyed at how specialized treats my local dealer, hopefully they don’t forget about the enthusiasts shops along the way.
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My Gen 2 Levo has been generally a very good bike but on my third battery in less than four years despite doing everything by the book to care for it.
I live and ride mostly in North Wales hills and more attention needs to be paid to keeping water out of electrical components. Very disappointed to have to pay £450 toward my third battery after the 2nd only lasted 37 charging cycles. I contested it was not fit for purpose but Specialized disagreed. Brought into focus the elephant in the emtb room namely massive purchase price but virtually worthless thereafter. Either we continue to pay extortionate prices for components or wind up with a piece of scrap metal. Much as I love riding , sad to say as a retired pensioner I will struggle to justify buying another bike when my current one becomes uneconomical to repair. If I were to spend the same purchase price on an off road motorcycle , it would continue to have a residual value towards an upgrade for many years. Not so with an emtb.
I love my Specialized Ebike 😊
WOW! Did we just have a full episode of EMBN without Mr Shimano Bosch Jones saying either Bosch or Shimano? Unbelievable!
Run gen 3 bit longer make new full fat kenevo
I have a 2022 Turbo Levo & I love it 🫶🏻
I ride a Levo G3 which I love but it’s very heavy for me, a 54yr old female. I have trouble lifting it over obstacles and on to my bike rack. Please consider making the G4 sub 20kg. Plus if you can include the option for bottle cage addition batteries I can join my friends on multi day rides where charging isn’t an option. Thanks
I ride a 2022 Levo s2. Great bike. Just a thought, I’d really like slightly longer chainstays. Even in long/low I feel the front center : rear center ratio is a bit wonky
Move along, there's nothing to see here
What We Want is a Kenevo With MGU and Belt and a 750wh Battery and Alloy Frame to Keep cost Down And a Weight of 24KG ,Now Go and Make it Happen ?Oh And Ready For Next Summer🙂
I'm still on original levo from 2015 , great bike even by today standards, also set the tone for industry. it did not have display, like Steve mentioned
I had a generation one SL comp put a slack R headset changed the front end to 64°. Then I got a generation three Turbo Levo comp. I ride in the hills behind Laguna Beach. I live up on the hill in Laguna Niguel. I could ride my SL down to the park with no power. And the bike had no drag in the system, it felt like a normal mountain bike. With the Turbo Levo, I always have to have the power on therefore it uses more power from the battery. When you turn the motor off on that bike, it feels like there’s a 20 mile an hour headwind. On the SL I could do three different rides each approximately 10 miles. On the Turbo Levo because I have to use the power full-time I can only do two rides.
I would like a full powered bike that weighs 43 to 45 pounds max. With no drag in the system.
My gen 3 levo (comp) is awesome decends like a single pivot DH bike but without the chatter and slap climbs like a cocaine fuelled goat and 12 months in proven to be bullet proof ive done about 1000 miles in/around dyfi & machynlleth which is an actual rain forest!
Had to bin those wheels tho’ and the budget rhythum forks. Id like the charge limit feature back in the app it seems to have gone awol and a bit more ground clearance Axel height is good but they could shave a bit off the motor
Charge limit is still there. Can’t remember where but it is. I use it.
I was a big fan of Specialized until I saw the Kellys Theos F100 review. Now that’s a stunning front runner.
Gen 2 Levo. Still relevant. Still rips. Still waiting for an excuse to upgrade……….
Love my 2022 levo , no issues at all , give me a full fat 24+ kg bike all day long
Reliable motors would be good 😮
Continental dh tryrs on e bike corner miles better than any other brand rubbers stiffer
Like to see them remove the software locks to allow tcu upgrade to mastermind Levi’s with older tcu.
2018 Gen 1 levo with BLEvo app was best bike for me, now i ride 2023 Pro and I don’t like power delivery on it.
Well, I agree that reliability is crucial and lightness does not come often with it but I would say reducing the weight is the way to go. The SL should have much more focus as it will attract more analog bikers. Having tried both FP Levo and SL, I better stayed with analog bike than the FP. SL is a game changer, it makes analog bikes obsolete. It is all the bike you need. It just need to get a bot more power and a bit bigger battery. Yes, it would be heavier, but here comes R&D, make it same weight.
Reliability and durability would be nice.. had my levo sl for 7 months, within 4 weeks the remote on the handle bars packed up and needed to be replaced. It sat at the store for 4 weeks waiting for new unit. After 5 months the motor had permanent failure which was another 2 weeks bike less. The rear hub has also failed and the rear rim is softer than warm butter, bent with an insert and I'm not even running low pressure, 32 psi on the rear. My mates new kenevo sl display just packed up and his rim has also folded already within 2 months of buying the bike.
THIS GUYS LIKE THE GRANDTOURING OF E BIKES
Spesh is most likely coming out soon with something given that these two guys show up for an interview... 🧐
Glad I bought a Santa Cruz after hearing nothing from these guys. The Kenevo needs the Levo motor to be on par with the competition. As stated in this video more guys prefer more power than less power and less weight. Exactly why I went with the Bullit vs Kenevo.
I’ll take my full fat aluminum frame Kenevo any day over a bullet. I ride with two guys with bullets they always run out of power due to much smaller batteries, plus I can set up easily as a full 29er, or set up as a mullet or ride as stock with full 27.5. Quick change to 29er front fork lowers on the stock Boxxer fork makes all that possible very easily.
we want -
gearbox / motor
belt drive
antilock brakes
did i miss anything ?
reliable water proof motor
Click bait.. EMBN your better that this.
I have owned all Gen Levos.. their good, but far from the best bike, especially considering cost to value.
Brose announced a 48 V 95 NM system a while back. That's all Spesh is bringing out . With some new software similar to Shimano.
very nice, but it is difficult to understand that the masterminds of spe came here without letting you try the levo g4! and as usual all the youtubers will release their video at the same time in 2 months ...
👍You don't need more torque that you can handle. It's why the two stroke 500cc motocross biken is just a memory for collection😂.
I love my Specialized Levo SL S-Works Carbon 1.1 that I built from frameset so much, that I bough one more frameset and built one more to have as a spare bike😂.
These bike have 170mm Öhlin and Fox Factory forks and Fox Factory coli 216x63mm at the rear, Roval carbon wheels, XTR groups hole through.
I have also a Orbea Rise 60Nm total rebuilt with Öhlin 170mm fork Fox Factory coil 216x63mm damper and DT-SWISS mullet 1200 carbon wheels.
I tryed a 85Nm Yamaha moro that I rebuilt to Marvic mullet, Öhlin 170mm fork and Fox Factory coil 216x63mm damper, this bike rebuilt to standard and sold it to my friend hwo need to train😂, because I didn't whant torque, but exercise with a bike easy to handle😉
Ebikes are taking too much time to evolve, yeti 160e is 8 years already old, turno levo gen 3 is like 4 years old design
Great information I will agree with you
according to a german emtb forum Brose has finalized the Brose Peak3 motor 😂
My shimano motor unit has failed. Motor and torque sensor are both working perfectly, but an internal ($50) cog has worn out.
Shimano offer no servicing or maintenance and the only solution is to replace the entire unit for nearly $2K.
18000km in 5 years and they claim that I should be happy with that.
They want $2K because a $50 cog failed!?
Off to court we go.
Get a motor that works and doesn't have to be changed twice a year, and do away with pathetic 320w batteries.
Bafang ultra 52v is what you are looking for
It's only the Levo SL (Super Light) that runs the 320wh batteries. These models can also be used with range extenders. The full power Levo uses 500 or 700wh batteries depending on the spec level.
What is next for ebike ? Maybe a reliable motor for a change!
It would be interesting to get SOME info especially on battery nd/or specs and timing of products coming to the market … usp of specialized presently not there … 😞
Why are specialized prices so damn high? And it’s been this way since the 90s. 11000 to 18000 dollars for a bike in Canada is just insane.
My gen 3 Levo motor went after one year and 1 day, but specialized were great to deal with for warranty. However they need to allow users to upgrade the TCU to mastermind as software locking is disappointing. Not everyone can afford the super bikes and I wanted aluminium, not carbon. I want to spend money with Specialized for a TCU as my budget allows, but they won’t allow it. Forcing me to spend significant money to upgrade to a new bike, as the only way to get Mastermind, seems unreasonable. For me, it significantly takes away from an otherwise great bike.
Ich erwarte nichts welt bewegendes von BIG S das levo gen3 ist nach wie vor ein top emtb, geometry, mullet, 90nm und app integration..
Doesn't seem terribly difficult to parameterize the responsiveness of the motor to include variables like conditions, geometry, and tires.
I think 100 NM is really all you need right now. Advances Should be in motor engagement and efficiency as well as well as better lighter batteries.
Power is an interesting subject when it comes to eBikes, too much power can sometimes be as bad as too little. Some companies believe that 90-95nm is the sweet spot 🤘
Yep, much higher priorities than more power. I don't even use the boost on my bosch and been up all sorts of tech steep hills. But I worry about rain and puddles coming = higher priority.
Great episode! maybe lift the camera angle up a bit and lose the water bottle off the table
Nokia was biggest phone seller...... Levo carbon 23 owner... Great bike anyway
Ask them to fix the new specialised app. It's horrible and lost most of its functionality.
Specialized should do something about the engines, after 1200 km my second belt blew, I live on the other side of the world and warranty does not exist here, warranty all over the world?? forget it, that does not exist, such an expensive bike and he standing there in the stable.
We want an in closed electric gearbox and belt drive.
enclosed vs in closed
I'd like to see a full powered levo at 42 lbs. with 95 nms.
I’m fairly sure they just been looking at the new bikes, why would they all be out there with Steve?
Did they ever seen Orbea Rise? Much better bike, lighter, more powerful, lot more customizable…
Bought a Levo comp alloy 6 weeks ago, out of the box the back rim was broken making a clunk sound on each rotation.
I took the bike to a Specialized concept store in Harrogate and they swapped it there and then fantastic service. Six weeks later the same problem on the front wheel.
Appointment made in Harrogate for Monday fingers crossed they will just swap it again. Just find it ironic your talk about quality. The basic rims don’t seem to be the best for a full power Levo.
But it has been the best six weeks of riding since I started in 2016
I think October 2024. As some Prices of "Older" Bikes are dropping already..
is the cameraman ok? all i can hear at times is him huffing away
I got a gen 3 levo had a shot of my brose kenevo thought mm should off got a kenevo climbs same as levo in terms of lower and speed