I borrowed a friends spotting scope for a weekend and the angle was driving me nuts. Multiple times I saw a deer in my binos but took me a too long to find it in the scope. Just a beginner spotter here so I'm sure angled gets easier with practice, but I think I have to go with straight. I also will do a decent amount of spotting out of the truck window so it's probably the best choice for me.
I installed this optic on a crossman 760 air rifle.I have now shot the riffle around 500 times during target/plinking practice, and the ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope has done well.With this optic, I have neutralized around 30 pigeons that were invading one of my buildings.For my short range air rifle, I will continue to use this scope, but will be upgrading to a more powerful scope, when I buy a more powerful air rifle, in order to shoot at longer distance.For the money I have spent, this scope has truly been a great buy.
I prefer the angled. You can learn to acquire targets faster. Simply zooming out to find a reference point and zooming back in is a simple fix. What you can’t do, is make uncomfortable fun. When I’m out glassing and hiking long days. The last thing I want is, to sit down for 6-8 hours, glassing a hillside and being uncomfortable.
Good video! I have an angled Pentax 65mm spottingscope and love it. The 1,25 inch hole for astronomical eyepieces is great. And I plan to get the same scope in the straight version as well. They both have their pros and cons depending of the task and situation.
when using a window mount while driving around spotting critters from the truck window you will go home and sell your angled spotting scope and order a straight one. if you are going to sit in a chair outside of the vehicle and view with a spotter you will probably find angled better.
maybe a dumb question, but If I get an angled, mount it on a car window and turn it 90 degrees so I can easily look through, will the image be straight up and down or turned 90 degrees?
not really a dumb question, if I rotate the 90 degree eyepiece on my celestial refraction telescope , the image rotates too. I was wondering the same thing since that's my only angled optic experience.
Straight for me every time. Once I spot movement with my binoculars, it's much easier to find that with a straight scope than one with an angle. MUCH easier. What good is comfort if I can't quickly find what I'm looking for?
Good review. Straight is way better for the serious hunter. Quicker finding things , not having to look down with my neck kinked is a good thing. You da man.
Shooter.s use straight ones never angle seen on field for spotting 500 yrds on hill hunting I can see where the angle in front of you helps alot when sitting on down ward Slope or up hill
Remains unclear construction of scopes - is the same or not? Do angled scope has add glass for angle view or not, if so, it means more loses of light travel..darker image
Whenever you are bending light you degrade its quality. The question is to what degree. We'd have to have both scopes set up and running a few simple tests with proper test equipment would give the answer. My guess is that it wouldn't be discernable to the human eye -- the exception being of a scope with poor quality glass, etc. The Razor HD is of very good quality and I'd be very surprised if it was affected.
Swarovski BTX binocular spotting scope is the best. i don't know why other scope companies don't make a similar set-up. Binocular viewing is much easier on the eyes. Of course, the BTX is $3000. I bought the SLC 15x56 binoculars and don't need a scope. It's that powerful and stunning optical quality.
I have a great Straight through. I WISH it was 45 or 90. Do yourself that one favor. Is there ANY Way to Add a viewer that changed straight through to 45 or 90 degree. Please.
Is there any difference between clarity and brilliance? In the angled scope you're using a prism, and that may affect light and clarity. With BAK4 prisms you're getting a fairly good picture, but binocs may use different glass and prisms. Advertising has kept these fairly standard, thankfully, but none of this was covered in this video.
the angled spotting scope what i find is its hard when you use it on truck windows so now im looking into straights ones anybody know of good budget freindly straight spotting scopes TIA
I thought the same thing but I bought both STM & ATS Swarovski. I use the straight way more & find it easier to use. After a good few hours your neck muscles will start to hurt on the Angle. Nothing beats the European Optic Company’s. Leica Swarovski & Zeiss All 3 high end optics are the best in the world
Angled is simply more versatile. Better on the bench and more ergonomic. But the SMART thing to do is buy the straight and angled version of the same model. If it's that important to you, you can afford both. Otherwise, just spend $300 and get a nice angled Vortex Diamondback with a decent tripod. Unless you're doing serious precision stuff, it'll do the job nicely.
Another virtue of the straight spotting scope is that it keeps your head lower maintaining a smaller silhouette. Although if I’m going to be spending hours on the glass, I’ll reach for the angled spotting scope to avoid getting a kink in the neck.
angle are a pain the neck, literally. you just said it, your head needs to tilt down. not a natural position. oh, and yes, i've spent hundreds of hrs behind spotting scopes.
Your suppositions are flawed. Very few people who use angled scopes are going to be using them at high settings on their tripods as you so demonstrate. Thus they will have no need to lower their tripods to keep game in focus. The primary issue is the BAK4 prisms found in these scopes. These prisms do a fine job bending and dividing the light, but they're not perfect, and the colors are collected, then bent and redirected again to restore the image. It's brilliant engineering, but with good glass lenses, straight scopes bend the light to a pinpoint, then reverses it to make it appear right side up. It doesn't go through a prism. Thus, depending on the components, the image has a better chance of being sharp in a straight scope. But components can make all the difference in how sharp the image is when it reaches the eye. And how the colors look as well. 👍🤔
your logic is so flawed - extend the LEGS of the tripod/the widest base creates the GREATEST STABILITY-extending the legs should be the primary means to get the scope as close to viewing height as possible-the straight extension tube is used for final fine tuning adjustments-ask any professional photographer who uses a tripod what's the LAST thing he extends (big hint: it;s NOT the legs); and tilting your head down is NOT the most natural head position for any type of viewing (do you mount your big screen tv someplace where you're looking DOWN at it?) I have yet to develop a sprained neck over a long period of time when I've kept my head up and my eyes level - looking down immediately puts a load on your neck muscles to hold it in that position-I bet you dollars to donuts I could keep my head up and my eyes level a LOT longer than someone who has their head tilted and is looking down
I think he knows that. he probably didn't extend the legs because he's using a small table and if he extended the legs on both tripod then he'd run out of room.
What do you mean looking down for a longer period of time is hard? Ask any astronomer with a refractor or a catadiopter how long does he look through the telescope with a head tilted down. :) Let me give you a hint - for hours during a night. Try looking through the telescope without an angled viewpiece. You will have to tilt you head backwards until it becomes uncomfortable and then you start squatting with the head tilted back. I know what I'm talking about. Telescopes mostly have a straight viewfinder with a low magnification for locating celestial object. I'm constantly squatting with the head in an uncomfortable position when the telescope is aimed high. If it were aimed to zenit, it would have to be a very tall tripod. I get what you're saying, but straight ahead is only one direction. For every other direction you must tilt you head up or down. And let me tell you, tilting the head back is much more uncomfortable than tilting forward. You have to take into account that when choosing between straight and angled. If you're always looking straight and you're able to do that in a neutral position of the head, no problem. But for me there is a problem - I'm 195 cm (6 ft 6) tall, and I have yet to find such a tall tripod which could make that happen for me. Shorter persons might not have this problem. If I were a hunter and my primary position was prone, maybe I'd opt for a straight scope. Otherwise, angled is the only way for me.
Looking down IS natural. Think about it next time you see someone reading a book or newspaper, working on a laptop, preparing food, dining out, writing, using their phone, or observing the stars through a telescope. Also, this video was to discuss the merits of straight verses angled viewfinders - it was NOT an instruction manual on correctly setting up a tripod, so don't be so anal about it. There are times when a straight scope IS preferable, but you try looking through a straight scope when you are lying prone, or viewing the stars.
@@DougieFrank first off, apologies to the poster of the video for the "tone" of my original comment - must've overdosed on "yeah, I think I know it all" pills that day - as you pointed out the type of scope needs to fit the purpose, but it needs to be comfortable for the user as well - my comment about the most natural head position was made about *_while viewing_* - regarding whether looking down is natural or not: folks read newspapers *_both_* looking straight and looking down (sections of a newspaper are light enough to *_choose_* whether to be held/read vertically [like while riding the bus or subway] or laid down and read horizontally) food preparation, working with a laptop, dining, etc. *_REQUIRE_* you to look down because the focus of activity is below eye level the same way traffic signals, street signs and theater movie screens *_REQUIRE_* you to look straigh out and not down - old school Kodak Browning cameras were held at waist level/you *_had_* to look down because the view finder/screen was on the *_top_* of the camera - modern quality SLR cameras and regular/ordinary binoculars are brought up to/positioned in front of the eye where the head is "normally" in an up position looking out vs looking down; a standing human body involved in nothing other than maintaining its vertical position is more likely to have the head positioned where the eyes are looking out straight and not down *_but_* the "natural" position of the human head depends on the position the human body *_and_* the activity it's engaged in at the time - choice of angled or straight scope ultimately should be determined by fitness of purpose and ease of use/user comfort - if the scope does what ya need it to do and doesn't hurt ya when your usin' it, great - plenty of room in the world for angled and straight scopes and the opinions/preferences that go along with them (musta had one too many "you're settin' up the tripod wrong" pills too that day 😋)
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!, this video was to explain what the differences are not to show case a scope. I'm going to get a scope in 5 months so sit tight im going to make a 20 to 60x video though it.
I will add a VERY important "feature" of a straight vs angled.
The straight is so much more backpack friendly for fit and space.
Ah! Good point that I didnt think about but actually is very important for me!
Very good point . . . I'm sure my sherpa appreciates the fact I own a straight scope and not an angled one 😋
Totally agree.. Even using this for birding, I prefer the straight scope. The angled scope is for specific scenarios, Straight is more universal.
I borrowed a friends spotting scope for a weekend and the angle was driving me nuts. Multiple times I saw a deer in my binos but took me a too long to find it in the scope. Just a beginner spotter here so I'm sure angled gets easier with practice, but I think I have to go with straight. I also will do a decent amount of spotting out of the truck window so it's probably the best choice for me.
I like the angled scope best because it is not obstructing my field of vision until I need it.
I installed this optic on a crossman 760 air rifle.I have now shot the riffle around 500 times during target/plinking practice, and the ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxc4K63Fd5LglDMObu7-Bgapxp_ef0W8hE scope has done well.With this optic, I have neutralized around 30 pigeons that were invading one of my buildings.For my short range air rifle, I will continue to use this scope, but will be upgrading to a more powerful scope, when I buy a more powerful air rifle, in order to shoot at longer distance.For the money I have spent, this scope has truly been a great buy.
I prefer the angled. You can learn to acquire targets faster. Simply zooming out to find a reference point and zooming back in is a simple fix. What you can’t do, is make uncomfortable fun. When I’m out glassing and hiking long days. The last thing I want is, to sit down for 6-8 hours, glassing a hillside and being uncomfortable.
How is looking straight out uncomfortable?.
Good video! I have an angled Pentax 65mm spottingscope and love it. The 1,25 inch hole for astronomical eyepieces is great. And I plan to get the same scope in the straight version as well. They both have their pros and cons depending of the task and situation.
Agreed. Best of luck this season!
A really good summary, well presented.
No bullshit, just straight to the point, & really helpful.
Thank you.
That's how we roll Doug! Thanks for watching
when using a window mount while driving around spotting critters from the truck window you will go home and sell your angled spotting scope and order a straight one. if you are going to sit in a chair outside of the vehicle and view with a spotter you will probably find angled better.
Would you do a video of the difference between Vortex Razor Gen1 vs Gen2 Spotting Scooe.
If you're glassing out of a truck using a window mount, the straight is definitely the superior option.
From mountain top view steeply downward below,angled scopes may not be preferable.In a mountainous region straight scopes will do better.
maybe a dumb question, but If I get an angled, mount it on a car window and turn it 90 degrees so I can easily look through, will the image be straight up and down or turned 90 degrees?
The image will be the same. That's one benefit to having an angled spotting scope.
not really a dumb question, if I rotate the 90 degree eyepiece on my celestial refraction telescope , the image rotates too. I was wondering the same thing since that's my only angled optic experience.
Straight for me every time. Once I spot movement with my binoculars, it's much easier to find that with a straight scope than one with an angle. MUCH easier. What good is comfort if I can't quickly find what I'm looking for?
Good review. Straight is way better for the serious hunter. Quicker finding things , not having to look down with my neck kinked is a good thing. You da man.
the straight has also one optical stage less , the 45 degree mirror that an angled one has
Less parts, components, is ALWAYS the best way to go no matter what you are talking about. Straight is that. Period.
Shooter.s use straight ones never angle seen on field for spotting 500 yrds on hill hunting I can see where the angle in front of you helps alot when sitting on down ward Slope or up hill
Can you guys please do a good review on the leupold gold series and the SX-5? There are no videos for either scopes :/
Remains unclear construction of scopes - is the same or not? Do angled scope has add glass for angle view or not, if so, it means more loses of light travel..darker image
Whenever you are bending light you degrade its quality. The question is to what degree. We'd have to have both scopes set up and running a few simple tests with proper test equipment would give the answer. My guess is that it wouldn't be discernable to the human eye -- the exception being of a scope with poor quality glass, etc. The Razor HD is of very good quality and I'd
be very surprised if it was affected.
Very useful discussion. Thanks for that.
Glad it was helpful!
Swarovski BTX binocular spotting scope is the best. i don't know why other scope companies don't make a similar set-up. Binocular viewing is much easier on the eyes. Of course, the BTX is $3000. I bought the SLC 15x56 binoculars and don't need a scope. It's that powerful and stunning optical quality.
This is a great summary.
I'd like to see what it is like seeing through a spotting scope.
Cabela's has lots.
@@DaveSlamGSS Go to a gun shop.
I have a great Straight through. I WISH it was 45 or 90. Do yourself that one favor.
Is there ANY Way to Add a viewer that changed straight through to 45 or 90 degree. Please.
I'm looking between the 20×60 and 27×60 I understand difference is focus distance?
Thanks for your video 👍
Is there any difference between clarity and brilliance? In the angled scope you're using a prism, and that may affect light and clarity. With BAK4 prisms you're getting a fairly good picture, but binocs may use different glass and prisms. Advertising has kept these fairly standard, thankfully, but none of this was covered in this video.
the angled spotting scope what i find is its hard when you use it on truck windows so now im looking into straights ones anybody know of good budget freindly straight spotting scopes TIA
Just seeing this... I didn't know there was so much drama when choosing a scope... I'll stick to my binos...
Binos are so WEAK doe
Got us a candidate here for the diplomatic corp 😋
I thought the same thing but I bought both STM & ATS Swarovski.
I use the straight way more & find it easier to use.
After a good few hours your neck muscles will start to hurt on the Angle.
Nothing beats the European Optic Company’s.
Leica Swarovski & Zeiss
All 3 high end optics are the best in the world
Yes looking up a mountain with the straight scope is a pain.
I prefer straight. Shooting prone in tallish grass i need the height.
Why don’t you keep the height and turn the angled to the left or right instead of up.
@@ronaldraygun2639 reticle would be sideways.
I bet this guy has never seen a competitive rifle shooter use the angled scope.
Why would you think that?
He needs the angled when on his stomach
Good, and to the point!
what kinda tripod is the angled one on ?
sirui with the va-5 fluid head
Angled is simply more versatile. Better on the bench and more ergonomic. But the SMART thing to do is buy the straight and angled version of the same model. If it's that important to you, you can afford both. Otherwise, just spend $300 and get a nice angled Vortex Diamondback with a decent tripod. Unless you're doing serious precision stuff, it'll do the job nicely.
Straight spotting scopes are the best.
No they’re not
It’ll be hard to see anything with a hose lens caps on 😂
Another virtue of the straight spotting scope is that it keeps your head lower maintaining a smaller silhouette. Although if I’m going to be spending hours on the glass, I’ll reach for the angled spotting scope to avoid getting a kink in the neck.
What tripod is that?
Tripod on the right is a Sirui ET-1204 Carbon Fiber and the smaller one on left is Sirui T 1205X Carbon Fiber.
angle are a pain the neck, literally. you just said it, your head needs to tilt down. not a natural position. oh, and yes, i've spent hundreds of hrs behind spotting scopes.
Compact angled spotting scopes can't be rotated.
The big issue here is the straight scope's tri-pod is not being used correctly. Adjust the legs to raise the scope, not the final head mount.
Your suppositions are flawed. Very few people who use angled scopes are going to be using them at high settings on their tripods as you so demonstrate. Thus they will have no need to lower their tripods to keep game in focus. The primary issue is the BAK4 prisms found in these scopes. These prisms do a fine job bending and dividing the light, but they're not perfect, and the colors are collected, then bent and redirected again to restore the image. It's brilliant engineering, but with good glass lenses, straight scopes bend the light to a pinpoint, then reverses it to make it appear right side up. It doesn't go through a prism. Thus, depending on the components, the image has a better chance of being sharp in a straight scope.
But components can make all the difference in how sharp the image is when it reaches the eye. And how the colors look as well. 👍🤔
your logic is so flawed - extend the LEGS of the tripod/the widest base creates the GREATEST STABILITY-extending the legs should be the primary means to get the scope as close to viewing height as possible-the straight extension tube is used for final fine tuning adjustments-ask any professional photographer who uses a tripod what's the LAST thing he extends (big hint: it;s NOT the legs); and tilting your head down is NOT the most natural head position for any type of viewing (do you mount your big screen tv someplace where you're looking DOWN at it?) I have yet to develop a sprained neck over a long period of time when I've kept my head up and my eyes level - looking down immediately puts a load on your neck muscles to hold it in that position-I bet you dollars to donuts I could keep my head up and my eyes level a LOT longer than someone who has their head tilted and is looking down
I think he knows that. he probably didn't extend the legs because he's using a small table and if he extended the legs on both tripod then he'd run out of room.
What do you mean looking down for a longer period of time is hard? Ask any astronomer with a refractor or a catadiopter how long does he look through the telescope with a head tilted down. :) Let me give you a hint - for hours during a night. Try looking through the telescope without an angled viewpiece. You will have to tilt you head backwards until it becomes uncomfortable and then you start squatting with the head tilted back. I know what I'm talking about. Telescopes mostly have a straight viewfinder with a low magnification for locating celestial object. I'm constantly squatting with the head in an uncomfortable position when the telescope is aimed high. If it were aimed to zenit, it would have to be a very tall tripod.
I get what you're saying, but straight ahead is only one direction. For every other direction you must tilt you head up or down. And let me tell you, tilting the head back is much more uncomfortable than tilting forward.
You have to take into account that when choosing between straight and angled. If you're always looking straight and you're able to do that in a neutral position of the head, no problem. But for me there is a problem - I'm 195 cm (6 ft 6) tall, and I have yet to find such a tall tripod which could make that happen for me. Shorter persons might not have this problem. If I were a hunter and my primary position was prone, maybe I'd opt for a straight scope. Otherwise, angled is the only way for me.
Looking down IS natural.
Think about it next time you see someone reading a book or newspaper, working on a laptop, preparing food, dining out, writing, using their phone, or observing the stars through a telescope.
Also, this video was to discuss the merits of straight verses angled viewfinders - it was NOT an instruction manual on correctly setting up a tripod, so don't be so anal about it.
There are times when a straight scope IS preferable, but you try looking through a straight scope when you are lying prone, or viewing the stars.
@@DougieFrank first off, apologies to the poster of the video for the "tone" of my original comment - must've overdosed on "yeah, I think I know it all" pills that day - as you pointed out the type of scope needs to fit the purpose, but it needs to be comfortable for the user as well - my comment about the most natural head position was made about *_while viewing_* - regarding whether looking down is natural or not: folks read newspapers *_both_* looking straight and looking down (sections of a newspaper are light enough to *_choose_* whether to be held/read vertically [like while riding the bus or subway] or laid down and read horizontally) food preparation, working with a laptop, dining, etc. *_REQUIRE_* you to look down because the focus of activity is below eye level the same way traffic signals, street signs and theater movie screens *_REQUIRE_* you to look straigh out and not down - old school Kodak Browning cameras were held at waist level/you *_had_* to look down because the view finder/screen was on the *_top_* of the camera - modern quality SLR cameras and regular/ordinary binoculars are brought up to/positioned in front of the eye where the head is "normally" in an up position looking out vs looking down; a standing human body involved in nothing other than maintaining its vertical position is more likely to have the head positioned where the eyes are looking out straight and not down *_but_* the "natural" position of the human head depends on the position the human body *_and_* the activity it's engaged in at the time - choice of angled or straight scope ultimately should be determined by fitness of purpose and ease of use/user comfort - if the scope does what ya need it to do and doesn't hurt ya when your usin' it, great - plenty of room in the world for angled and straight scopes and the opinions/preferences that go along with them (musta had one too many "you're settin' up the tripod wrong" pills too that day 😋)
@@PittedLikeThat21 good point
Cool video had no idea. Visually i like the angled but i can see that taking up a great deal of space in my backpack compared to the straight
Buy the straight scope and u will be happy, ignore the nonsense!
He's a sheep hunter...
Bla-bla-bla...where are images ×60, 4-5 km?!!!
WHAT THE HELL WAS THAT?!, this video was to explain what the differences are not to show case a scope. I'm going to get a scope in 5 months so sit tight im going to make a 20 to 60x video though it.
Idiot.
Who said anything about images.
This was simply discussing angled vs straight viewfinders
What a stupid comment.
change "animal" to target or object then all uses covered
The company is called goHUNT. I think they covered all the users they care about…