Synology HAT5300 vs WD Ultrastar vs Seagate EXOS - Which Should You Buy?
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Choosing the right hard drive media to go inside your Network Attached Storage (NAS) server can be a lot more complicated than you might think. A long time ago (about 20 years at least) buying hard drives was much easier, as the technology was significantly less evolved. The difference between one hard drive and another could be the capacity, physical, size or the interface - that is about it! But much like any other kind of technology, over time hardware designers were able to improve it, make it more efficient, increase the storage, speed up the access and all the while sticking with the same 3.5" physical scale. The result of all this development was that tailored/designed drives arrived that were geared internally towards specific tasks (thereby allowing designers to focus the HDDs development towards one specialization more than others). Fast forward to 2022/2023 and you find that the HDD market is considerably more diverse and brands have much more layered portfolios of drives and one big, BIG area of hard disk development was with NAS/Server HDD media. These are drives that are designed to be on 24x7, be prepared to spin up very quickly with little notice, be better suited to being deployed in larger quantities together (i.e RAID configurations made up of many drives) and all the while combating vibration and increased temperatures to maintain a healthy and stable level of use at all times. Today I want to look at three hard drives that are designed for large-scale NAS deployment (such as 8-24-bay rackmount and 8-12+ bays desktop NAS systems), as all three are the current popular choice for this kind of NAS system. There are the long-established HDD vendor drives, the WD Red Pro series and Seagate Ironwolf Pro range, and there is the NAS-brand labelled Synology HAT5300 series (built on Toshiba MG06/06/08 Enterprise series, but with Synology firmware in services included). With a new generation of NAS Hardware arriving from Synology in 2022/2023, as well as a change in support and compatibility listings by the brand in several of their releases, now is a very good time to take a look at how these three NAS HDDs compare in design, utility, performance and value. With WD and Seagate having a considerable amount of history in their Red Pro and Ironwolf Pro ranges respectively in the NAS industry, many users are still unsure about the Synology HAT5300 and whether they should make the switch, design its shift in architecture towards a more enterprise build (arguable closer to Ultrastar and Seagate EXOs, than Red or Ironwolf). Let's take a closer look at these three drives and hopefully help you decide which one deserves your data!
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Correction: I looked at the Seagate data sheet for the Exos X20 and X18 and both only have 256MB of cache, not 512MB as this video suggests.
i'd consider the synology drives, if the company went not completely overboard in the price.
the drives are based on toshiba disks mb-series and those are a LOT cheaper than the ultrastar or exos. right now you can get a 16TB toshiba for ~260 € (and that is including tax so end consumer price not business prices). charging that much for what essentially is a BUDGET datacenter drive with a new sticker slapped on and the names changed in the firmware is a shameful rip-off.
Synology drives are the biggest con on the market. I sold my synology hardware and will never buy that brand again.
Have to agree. They have long ceased to be an innovative, solution driven company. They are just milking their customers with their dated technology as long as they can. Sure their OS is good but not that good. People like Terramaster and now maybe Ugreen have moved things along
22:30 a plastic box on top of a card board box may not be the best set up for a sound test. they both resonate sounds. I hear the nas rattling.
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Thanks, almost forgotten how loud those can be: been using them since 80386 days...
Hmmm.... still in the planning stage of setting up a homelab NAS.
Just recently setup a Proxmox Pfsense for my homelab; new to both - interesting learning time. NAS would hv to wait till that's properly done.
You are a good source of info, thx again.😊
Would be interested also in getting a comparison of energy usage at idle and average and full utilization next time. And getting more info on SAS setup particulars in a DIY TrueNAS type environment.
Thanks for this video! Idle noise comparisons are also very nice to know, please. =) Also you mentioned a 'pro' version that is more consumer oriented for WD or is that only for Seagate? What models are they? Are the HC3x0 series more quiet? Are they just as reliable as HC550 and HC560? Would like a very reliable drive like HC550 but quieter if possible. Willing to put up with (mostly idle) noise if the 550's are the most reliable. Most of the time the drives will sit idle (spinning).
I thought you would knock over a drive, but you were careful and it paid off.
Great video!
I enjoy listening - I don't live in the UK.
1. I like the intro graphics, but I need a few seconds longer to scan the title without pausing. 10 in total should do.
2. For loudness tests, I was wondering why the decibal meter wasn't reset (MIN/AVG/MAX) between runs. We could get useful insight just from the AVG level alone, while pondering the other values.
considering pricing, i usualy go for Best price for terabyte when buying drive, ant those are drives on between half and 2/3 of bigest capacity drives.currently exos 16TB have great pricetag,...
I’ve had excellent success with Seagate IronWolf.
Should I use enterprise capacity hard disk for my home desktop pc? Will it conflict?
Is there any NAS enclosure that has some real horsepower and lets me put in 16 drives? I'm running unraid but hate my case wondering if there's anything that's well designed I can use that has hotswappable fronts.
Maybe I missed it but I didn't see a mention of reliability/failure rates. To me that's the most critical consideration. Performance is a close second, while low noise is a "nice to have".
Historically Seagate seems to have the highest failure rate according to data from backblaze. There is no such data for Synology drives. Given the premium price and the unknown reliability of Synology drives I don't know why anyone would ever consider buying them.
I don't understand the repeated focus on firmware updates. What's better than easy firmware updates? Not needing to do firmware updates. I've been managing a very large NAS for almost a decade and never once have I had to update firmware for a drive. How many problems do Synology drives have that they frequently need firmware updates?
Most WD/HGST drives have very good reliability data and are only slightly more expensive than Seagate.
To me the choice has always been clear.
I also do not understand why people buy these prebuilt, very expensive, NAS units. You can take an ordinary PC, add a cheap HBA (LSI 9200 for example), install TrueNAS and you've got something even better. I get that they "make it easy" but it seems to me if you are technologically literate enough to setup a synology NAS, you probably won't have any trouble installing TrueNAS.
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I didn't see any discussion of Optinand. did i miss that?
Hi, nice comparisons. However looking at pricing, I think you should include Toshiba drives (MG8/MG9), not being rebranded by Synology. They also are not specific for Synology NASes, and probably the cheapest.
The video is very well done, but the main doubt I have is about the sustained transfer speeds that the hds can do, so far I have not been able to find a video showing this.
For most NAS use that is really not all that important. First of all if you are looking at 10Gbit then you can quite easily saturate it doing sequential transfers to and from something like a 8 disk R5 array. if you are looking at enterprise grade storage solutions you are not going to be looking at buying some random drives. You will be buying and using drives provided by the storage solution provider. And if you specify that you need 10 GB/s (approximately 100Gbit) then they will sell you a solution that will solve that, and it will be expensive...
Back in early 2K I did build a test system using Adaptec controllers and a bunch of disks and I managed to achieve a total of 3.3 GB/s. This had the Adaptec techs quite happy given the hardware used. Drive speeds has not advanced quite as much as all other computer hardware in the years that's gone by, but sequential transfers back then topped out at something like 100 to 110 MB/s, and that was the fastest drives. 10Krpm WD Raptor drives tended to hover around the 120 MB/s mark. I don't remember the numbers for the 15Krpm drives of the era.
Since then areal density has gone way up, and 15K rpm drives has joined the Dodo. The result is that a normal 7,200 rpm drive can top out at over 200 MB/s sequential. Now I have no experience using Seagate drives with the Mach.2 tech, so I can't really say anything about those.
But no matter how you slice it if you need performance there's nothing currently on the market that beats SSD tech.
How come you didn't do speed tests both large files and a multitude of small files read and write?
Too late -- last week I ordered nine 12TB refurbished EXOS drives (with supposedly 0 hours run time) for $200 (CAD) ea. from Amazon. (8 for my Synology 1821+ and one cold spare). 😁
Link? Please and thank you
Sod using these drives when watching digital media, I'd either have to turn the telly up or wear earphones...dang.
To be fair, odds are you'd be using this in a NAS to host the media on a network. If you're doing that then you'd be putting the NAS by your router which ideally would be somewhere away from the TV. I know that is not always possible but in my case, I have my router and NAS in a cupboard under the stairs. You can always get Ironwolf drives if you want quieter as they are designed for home NAS use.
I assume these are props, perhaps made of cardboard. You never put a drive on a table, ever, on its end or side. You keep it flat. Take it from an old lag who once put a drive on their desk, on its side, an expensive new enterprise HP (well Compaq then) drive, only to accidentally nudge it, where it fell flat. Once installed it didn't work. You need to have respect for your drives. Synology have screwed themselves, lackluster hardware, lack of 2.5g networking, innovation stalled, now gouging their customers by forcing you to use their drives. I would not buy a Synology again, but I'd probably build my own, run TrueNAS and use free software in containers for any apps I needed
Everywhere where i look ultrastar is the expensive one >.>
Noticed the note about the 18TB Synology drive in August, actually a little surprised I thought they were going in 4TB increments. But have you heard any rumours about a 20TB unit, If not can you please do some digging? Cheers
Ultra star has now 26tb model also.
It's basically the 22TB model but with SMR instead of CMR...
I avoid anything with sea and gate in the name. Of all the drives I’ve bought over the last 30 years, Seagate are always the first to fail. Ultrastar have been the most reliable (not so much since WD took them over) followed by WD then Toshiba, even Samsung have outlasted some of my Seagate drives.
Me too, let's hope that WD will continue to treat the UltraStar name with the respect it deserves...
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PLX add more Volume to your videos this is the 3-4 video and i have my volume increas by 200% and i can berly understend or lisen :((
I've been sticking with HGST, WD, or Toshiba. Seagate drives aren't bad, but if you look at the Backblaze drive reliability reports, the Seagate drives are usually the worst performers
Same.
Funny coz its the opposite with their report out just 3 days ago on Seagate Exos 7E8 model... And its way cheaper than the WD mentioned in same article seen HERE:
www.pcgamesn.com/gaming-hardware/seagate-hard-drive-backblaze-2023-report
Synology drives? I never knew they made them. I think it's from Toshiba or something
nevermind: it was mentioned in the video, they are from toshiba
I had 14 seagate 2TB drives on my LSI RAID6 around 13 years ago and 12 of them died right after 1.5 years of usage. and recently I had 10 seagate ironwolfs(not the pro version) on hardware raid6 again, 6 of them die and I had to move all my data around to HGST , Toshiba and WD disks and remove ALL the seagate drives out of my server! I will never buy Seagate hard disks again! I have some WD green drives in my box that last longer than then all my Seagate drives really! To save your time and money, do not consider buying Seagates!
Wait what. I can't believe that's about the hdds.
Synology = *TOSHIBA*
TOTIBA!
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Video is full of missinformations like 512 MB etc....amateur video. And dude u have "talking" problem....in some cases it's unwatchable honestly. I'm srry coz of that but that is true. Maybe will be better to find someone who don't have that type of problems when talk. Good luck
I got vicarious embarrassment by reading your comment. Unless you have a serious mental problem, your attitude is a disgrace and reflects your arrogant nature.