Michael Haydn Symphony No.28 in C major Perger 19, SCO / Warchal
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Michael Haydn Symphony No.28 in C major Perger 19
1. Allegro Spirituoso
2. Rondeau, Un poco adagio
3. Fugato. Vivace assai
Slovak Chamber Orchestra
Bohdan Warchal, Conductor
Rec. 1991, Bratislava, Slovakia
Tuve un profesor de Historia de la Música hace 50 años en Munich (Dr. Valentin) que siempre decía que Michael Hydn era un compositor injustamente olvidado. Toda la razón.
I would take out the 'un' of 'unjustly' and then we have a correct sentence.
A composer much underrated! A delight to listen to.
I think this work is an indication as to why he might be underrated. There are few catchy bits for the casual listener to hook onto. With Mozart everything is populist.
@@itsbobinnit6944 Balderdash.
@@thomasskoronski8625 exactly
The Slovak orchestra does a very good job. Of this they did a mavellous job of a very beautiful piece
This composer has such beautiful music and yet he is underrated.
I like Michael Haydn's music generally and this Symphony 28 particularly.
Always transporting into " better realms" and making ines day better!😇thank yiu so much🤗
Exquisite sounds. Thank you for sharing this music.
I'm really in love with Michael Haydn's music and I think he can't be compared to his brother or Mozart. For me, he has something different, hard to explain, but which attracts me a lot.
Yo no sé explicarlo tampoco, pero su estilo , es cierto, es tan diferente al de su hermano Joseph.....también al de MOZART, y al de otros como JC BACH. Su música es bellísima, y creo que injustamente infravalorada. Te recomiendo escuchar su Réquiem 😍 👋
Starts out sounding like Joseph Haydn. The introduction appears to be priming us for a concerto which turns out to be a symphony. From then on it's all original creative stuff that's enjoyable to listen to. The performance is very sympathetic too.
Musica que deleita el alma. Gracias.
This symphony was composed in 1784 and published in Vienna by Artaria in 1785. Mozart's Jupiter Symphony was composed in 1788. Draw your own conclusion. :-)
La simfonia n. 41 quw es posibilmwnte de oteo compositor, como la 37
John Francis
Check out also the fugal finale of Michael Haydn’s Symphony 39 in C major (Perger 31).
It was the final symphony of a set of six written in just seven weeks early in 1788, a few months before Mozart’s similarly breakneck speed effort to compose his own final set, Symphonies 39-41.
Mozart was clearly aware that Michael Haydn was writing C major symphonies with fugal finales.
Elaine Blackhurst, i am delighted that you bought that sacred work by micheal haydn as i think many more people should pay much more attention to his music, he was a very prolific and indeed a very gifted composer i also have beeb discovering his music of late, he worked for most of his life in salzburg and was a great friend of Mozart and his farther, during my many visits to salzburg i have never visited the little museum dedicated to his life, only discovering its existance after i left there, but next time definately, he is buried in salzburg in st peters church in the same tomb as mozarts sister!
Michael Haydn was a very fine composer and well worth investigating.
Apart from his brother, and Salzburg friend Mozart, I think he is one of the best of the rest!
@@elaineblackhurst1509yes he was very gifted indeed, and was a little overshadowed by his elder brother, but joseph was very loyal to his younger brother, and indeed when micheal was robbed at gunpoint and had some things stolen , joseph stepoed in and gave hima silver watch amonsgt some other items to help him after that unfortunate event, micbeal Haydn did have a deinking problem, wich Mozarts farther leopold was a bit concerned about as he micheal was very close to the Mozart family and he was buried in the same vault in st peters church salzburg beside mozarts sister, i am still waiting to see the small museum dedicated to his life and works when he resided in salzburg, he was offered a job at esterhazy to fill a vacant position left by his brother but chose to retain his position in salzburg instead, yes micheal was a very gifted composer and i often listen to his sancti leopold mass wich he composed in 1806, maybe one of his last compositions as he died August the 10 that year. 1737----1806.
@@johnentwhistlesurelysamsun1840
Just be careful about repeating Leopold’s stories about Michael Haydn’s alleged drinking.
There is no other corroborating evidence at all - the drinking story comes from Leopold alone as far as I am aware.
We know how ambitious Leopold was for his son, and the modern thinking is that Leopold saw Michael Haydn as a rival to Wolfgang for key posts and commissions* at Salzburg.
It probably didn’t help either that when Michael Haydn arrived in Salzburg, he was made leader of the 1st violins of the court orchestra, this meant that Leopold led the 2nds.
It seems likely that Leopold deliberately put about these calumnies about Michael Haydn in order to damage his reputation, and therefore further his own son’s cause.
* Michael Haydn’s very fine minor Requiem written for Archbishop Seigmund in 1771, was one of the few sacred commissions he received prior to Wolfgang Mozart’s departure for Vienna; Leopold - who was responsible for this area - tended to give them to his son.
The result of this is that Michael Haydn’s chief claim to fame - his sacred music - apart from the Requiem, largely post-dates 1781, and he probably only got the Requiem commission as the Mozart’s had arrived back in Salzburg from Italy only the day before the Archbishop’s death.
The little museum was closed a number of years ago. A few artifacts including the famous painting depicting him are now housed in the Residenzgalerie Domquartier.
The 3rd movement is extremely beautiful
Very fine symphony. For me is much of his music as good as that of his older brother Joseph. Thanks !
May I add...better than his brother Joseph...:)
Frans Meersman
Michael Haydn is a very fine composer who compares well with almost all his contemporaries...except Mozart and his brother.
effay1 See my reply above!
@@elaineblackhurst1509 I am a fervent admirer of Joseph Haydn. In connection met his brother I said much of his music but not for example Joseph's later symphonies, The creation and other works, and certainly not in comparison with Joseph's string quartets. As a defender of Joseph Haydn you my greatest sympathy.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 I meant you have my greatest sympathy.
beautiful music, fantastic chorus section
fuck off you asshole
Gosto dessa sonoridade. É sempre bom escutar seu acervo.
The palace depicted is the upper Belvedere of Prince Eugene of Savoy in Vienna.
Thank you for the information!
The Haydn families and Mozart families were very good friends. And Leopold Mozart Toy symphony was also jointly written with Micheal Haydn.
gefällt mir recht gut,danke
Just shows how great you can be, yet how the world mask's things. great work, typically classical yet themes fun through. some lust of Bach in parts. I liked !!
While in the Opera House shop in Vienna I "mistakenly" bought a Mass by this composer thinking it was by his brother and found his Sacred music as great or greater than Joseph's.
garrett sheldon
You’re right, Michael Haydn’s sacred music is very fine, and it was recognised as such in his own time, including by both Mozart and his brother; it was however, not particularly progressive* - perhaps reflecting his musical environment at Salzburg.
It’s is perhaps better to leave it there rather than make comparisons with his brother - or anyone else.
Identifying the differences is usually a better use of time, rather than trying to make subjective comparisons on the scales of ‘greatness’.
* Or you might call it slightly old-fashioned if you prefer; much of Michael Haydn’s counterpoint is very text-book Fux, whereas with Mozart and Joseph Haydn, it is much more modern, and integrated into the sonata language of the high-Classical musical style as exemplified in the finales of the former’s Symphony 41, and the latter’s Symphony 95 for example.
@@elaineblackhurst1509 I think that's a GREAT reply !
Spot on garrett sheldon, and it seems that Joseph Haydn agreed: "Joseph regarded his brother's music highly, to the point of feeling Michael's religious works were superior to his own (possibly for their devotional intimacy, as opposed to Joseph's monumental and majestic more secularized symphonic style)." (from Rosen's famous work, "The Classical Style", 1997, p.366)
@@sydneypiano Right-Ho !
yellowtorana
Charles Rosen’s book ‘The Classical Style’ was a revelation when first published in 1971; it was part of the renaissance and proper re-evaluation of the composer, and better understanding of Haydn’s proper status that began about the middle of the 20th century.
However, in the 50 years since the books first publication, Haydn research and scholarship has moved on probably more than any other single composer and left some of Rosen’s conclusions more debatable than they were half a century ago.
Michael Haydn’s sacred works are very fine - and extremely varied in terms of what he wrote - but they are perhaps slightly conservative, conventional, and old-fashioned.
Joseph’s later masses, or Te Deum for example, whatever Joseph might have said, simply move beyond anything composed by Michael.
Joseph’s second late Te Deum c.1800 (Hob. XXIIIc:2) is one of the absolute greatest settings of this text in all music - it dwarfs Michael’s even later setting.
Additionally, many of Joseph’s earlier masses such as the Missa Sanctae Caeciliae, or his Stabat Mater make it difficult to understand how anything by Michael could be described as ‘superior’.
Both Haydn brothers were very fine composers of sacred music; better to leave it at that and avoid any attempt to rank them which in most cases, simply ends up being a personal, subjective preference.
14:47 begins a tune that bears a resemblance to one of the greatest orchestral works ever written!! Interesting!!!!!
Eric O'Brien
Mozart was familiar with a significant amount of Michael Haydn’s works including this symphony.
You might be interested to know that a few months before Mozart wrote his last three symphonies in the summer of 1788, Michael Haydn had written a set of six symphonies, numbers 34 - 39 (Perger 24 - 31) in just seven weeks, ie a similar breakneck speed to Mozart.
Once again, the last of these six, No 39 (Perger 31) - yet another C major work* to end a set - concludes with another fugal finale of which Mozart was also clearly well aware.
* The following sets of symphonies all end with a big C major-type symphony:
Haydn’s six ‘Paris’ symphonies (82 - 87) written in 1784/85,
Michael Haydn’s six symphonies 34 - 39 - mentioned above - in 1788,
Mozart’s last three symphonies 39 - 41 also in 1788,
Haydn’s first six ‘London’ symphonies 1791/92.
(The Haydn ‘Paris’ symphonies were published in the wrong order, and should be correctly: 87, 85, 83, 84, 86, 82 - a much more sensible listening order).
@@elaineblackhurst1509 Mozart was in fact more a friend to Michaekl than Joseph Haydn. Of course that doesn't fit the narrative.
@@itsbobinnit6944
From his move to Vienna in 1781, Mozart saw very little of the Salzburg based Michael Haydn.
Probably from 1783, Mozart and Haydn formed one of the most astonishing and deep of friendships between two composers ever.
These two statements are not really ‘narrative’, but are fact, and can easily be evidenced, for example, when asked, Constanza Mozart clearly stated that Mozart said that Joseph Haydn was her husband’s ‘…best friend’.
Mozart did rate Michael Haydn very highly - that is true - in spite of his father’s calumnies against MH whom Leopold saw as a rival to his son in Salzburg prior to 1781.
One such calumny is that Leopold is the *only* source about MH’s alleged drinking problem; his putting this story about to damage MH’s chances of gaining an appointment - and thus enhance the chances of Wolfgang - is pretty typical of the petty dirty tricks to which most court composers and musicians of the time were subjected.
In summary: you are partly correct; Michael Haydn knew Mozart better up to 1781,* but after his move to Vienna, there is no doubt that for Mozart, Joseph Haydn was his greatest friend.
* Prior to c.1781, I think Joseph Haydn knew next to nothing about either Mozart or his music.
If by any chance you have the chance, please try to hear the Symphony in C major of Abeille (Johann Christian) Ludwig (Bayreuth, Feb 20, 1761, Stuttgart, March 2, 1838) - in my really humble opinion, something Mozart himself would not reject. Musica gratia artis, cheers.
All replies here fully correct. Mozart towers above all & transformed & enriched everything he used. My original point was merely that he had the perception to use & embellish anything he came across.
Try some other You Tube entry -- some idiot put ads during the movements.
Kial la radio-stacioj por klasika muziko (ekzemple, mialoke, www.allclassical.org en Oregono, Usono) ne aŭdigas pli de la simfonioj kaj koncertoj de Michael Haydn? Kvankam ili ne ofte havas la fajran genion de Mozart, ili estas verkitaj en belega kaj tre plaĉa stilo. Oni devus ĉiujare festi lian muzikon dum lia naskiĝotago.
The fugue is definitely reminiscence of Mozart's greatest symphonic movement, the finale of the Jupiter, No. 41. Inspirational! Too much of the musical material is similar; Mozart was able to use this to produce an orgasmic fugal climax.
I personally like his works better than his more famous brother's
This sounds like an orchestrated harmony exercise. No wonder he is 'underrated.'
What specifically about it makes it sound so dull to you? For me it's the rhythms but the counterpoint is still quite fun.
@@adig2414 Well as long as you asked....first and perhaps foremost, this music sounds plodding - it sounds like it is thumping its way through the meter. There is not a single beautiful moment and hardly any harmonic surprises. It all sounds so predictable. Each gesture sounds obligatory rather than spontaneous. This 'composer' was quite good technically speaking, but it all sounds like material he heard around him. He was good at patching it all together, but it has no direction due to the thumping quality already mentioned. There is far too much literal repetition. Even the cadences sound contrived. Most importantly, however, it lacks the magical and miraculous thematic connectivity within and between movements that is found in the music of the master composers. Most listeners are satisfied by the adept manipulation of harmony, counterpoint and instrumentation, but as a listener, I require much more than that. Spontaneity, gorgeous moments and surprises are attributes of great music. This has none of that.
15:37 Mozart took some inspiration. lol
16:45
14:47
But in all seriousness, this is a lovely symphony.
20:41 A little bit of a stretch though
19:45
I adore Mozart. And we know that Mozart had a high regard for Michael Haydn. His letters make this very clear. But the amount of tunes Mozart stole from Michael almost amounts to plagiarism. This is the Jupiter symphony! And a vast amount of Michael's requiem was clearly 'borrowed' by Mozart. Both Haydn's were marvelous composers.
This is just the start.
Compare Haydn's symphony in d minor to mozarts piano concerto in the same key
M. Haydn Eflat major symphony-mozart symphony 39 (especially the first movement to last movement respectively)
M Haydn symphony 23-Mozart spring quartet
etc..
If you want i can provide links with the comparisons
Thank you Leonard. Any links would be wonderful. And thank you for this information. I do have great admiration for M. Haydn. Although I do acknowledge that Mozart was on a different level.
I think you can hear creativity oozing in Michael Haydn's music. Mozart is able to craft this to a higher level in the Jupiter. I would guess the two complemented each other.
It’s not so much Mozart crafting to a higher level - which he did - but the fact that with 18th century composers, context is crucial; Mozart wrote the ‘Jupiter’ symphony, indeed all his greatest symphonies for Vienna, *not* Salzburg, which explains why as a Salzburg composer, Michael Haydn never went beyond what we have here.
Rhythmically dull and predictable. But still enjoyable
This is good, but no Cardi B . :)