Id like to report a cheater. Player id Jacksonpvp Replay 188383501896739715 In minute 8:50 when he spawns in a tiger he sees me afar between houses and streets. It's on Sweden map. I also have a small Clip on my uploads. It's warthunder cheater Jacksonpvp. Don't know how to report him since I play on console and he's on pc. Thanks
Staring at a terrain where the enemy is and it’s a CQB is completely normal I even do it but i mostly listen for enemies track engine sound and locate them. Get more proof I see this player to be just an ordinary player.
Theres been a bunch of justinplays clanners busted for cheating over the last year but nothing done because of youtuber NDA. They're not allowed to acknowledge that theres cheaters in the game. The closest we got was a Phly vid who featured a cheater and he got a CaD a few days later and eventually deleted the vid. None of them want to mess with the monetary bottom line. Also NOBLE clan has been busted so many times that you should automatically save and watch any replay where you had a match with a member.
@@wedgeantilles3983 When was the Justinplays clanners busted? never heard of it, and played with them a few times on discord and they seemed legit (we were streaming
even if they ban him, hes got ban only for account, hes can make another one and play again with cheats because cheats cost more than premium vehicles. people pay for premiums and do pay for cheats who cost less
@@wedgeantilles3983That isn't entirely true anymore. Hell TEC discussed it frequently after the recent Chinese bust. They just afaik aren't allowed to gripe openly about it, but can show an encounter of a player cheating offhand. Justin did it in a past video and send the replay to me to show
Naw, their shell's damage/spall damage should be reduced by a shit ton + their tank should get full ammo ammoracked, even if not full ammo load, by the slighest of hits, like MG bullets, even if non pen.
@@Marder_IFV wt can adapt it, it would be nice seeing some of the cheaters complaining in chat not knowing they are being fucked with by the devs for being a pos
THC saying "we'll only kick him if he gets banned" is such a horrible take. Respectable squadrons remove cheaters before they get banned, and there are plenty of obvious cheaters that have been around for years without getting banned.
(Edit): the man has been removed from the squadron, there are other and better evidence that shows he is cheating. Then why did Gaijin review the matter and conclude that he was not cheating? Suspicious behaviour is not equal to being guilty, got to have good proof and so far it’s not the case.
@FelixTheory Gaijin didn't review anything. Darksoulviper sent one singular clip to a GM that can't ban people himself and pretended that means the guy is cleared. If you've played squadronbattles for a while you will know obvious hackers that haven't been banned for years, like LynxSpray and compacts. Every respectable squadron would kick someone like this. The funniest bit is that darksoulviper himself said the guy is hacking while he was in AVR. That was a month ago.
@@FelixTheory Gaijin didn't review the matter lmfao. Your commander sent a SINGLE clip to a streamer who helps with replay review/bans, out of multiple. If you think this is "Gaijin reviewing the matter", you're delusional.
@ACR909 One employee from Gaijin as I’m aware has seen one replay. You or others have to give better proof than this video that has been uploaded. Suspicious behaviour is not good enough.
i mean i've hit shots that are 1km away with a Chi-To Late, ARL-44 90, ect ect, i've never really been accused of cheating and i've never cheated in War Thunder, its not impossible but it can been seen as very suspicious, at far ranges with the right settings, bushes don't load either past 800m+
@@xvphoenixvii5146 literally he was sat in a place where there was hills and trees where it would have to have went through a hill and over 1 or 2 to hit me
The fact that this guy is cheating AND STILL gets destroyed is completely beyond me. How shit at the game must you be to know the position of all enemies on the map only to still be caught out of position.
cheaters often get over confident and also tend to make poor decisions since they rely on their cheat crutch. Once he got into a situation where he was surrounded by too many players too keep track of on his wall hacks he had trouble.
I've been in a couple of battles where the other team had a player score like a dozen kills and not get killed at all and I'm like how the f**k are you doing that
@@bossgunny4203 I mean that's not guaranteed cheating. A lucky flank + spawnkilling gets you 10 kills easily if not more, especially if teammates distract the enemy for you
The most obvious indicator would be this Level 100 in a tough clan fluffing on his shots against several easily visible vehicles shown in this replay, after perfectly ranging 2 of them prior, and noticing people not yet directly visible. Most cheaters tend to be horrible even with cheats and it shows lol.
100% agree. I honestly think it's making him worse as he's using it as such a crutch and looking at so much he doesn't need to, that he's missing more important stuff actually posing a threat
If anything wouldn't that indicate that he has skill based on playtime for ranging easy shots without using the range finder, and that he doesn't really know exactly what will and won't work against every vehicle? Some of those m4's you can pen the turret where he shot it in some tanks. Some you can't.
5.7-8.0 BR's are infested with cheaters right now in both Arcade and Realistic. Oddly enough there are more exploiters playing in arcade lately because it's 'harder' for them to be noticed cheating, and most players in arcade will dismiss blatant cheating just because it's arcade which is a nonsensical approach to the problem. 3.0-4.7 Still has a few exploiter accounts running around, mostly level 7-18's, chinese or russian names, but there are some level 70-100's who also have been chilling for a few weeks in the low BR's and cheating. (Note, I play on servers limited to USA only in matchmaking, and it seems like these are the servers all the exploiters are queuing for since I can consistently find them day after day. No clue how the other match servers are.)
@@armorc6779 EAC is needed for any RB or Sim mode, regardless of vehicle type. Though not like it does anything anyway being that every single ban I've seen was a manual wave rather than something firing EAC.
I never use my rangefinder, I just aim up and pray (or once I'm used to the vehicle I kinda just get a feel for the round velocity) Otherwise yea, this is egregious cheating, and actually changing the range before shooting knowing the exact range
@@WTCheatShaming Usually hit center mass 95% of the time once I'm used to the velocity, and at the long ranges in BRs without mechanical or lazer range finders, I can readjust and get a second shot off before the enemy can rangefind me.
Similar for me, but once the target is a certain distance or more away I cannot reliably hit them on the first shot. It depends on the gun though, on the short US 75mm I am only accurate up until ~850m, but for the German long 88m 1,000m shots are pretty easy.
PLEASE do a video on the air cheater that blew up on reddit. That needs to be logged in the archive. Unlimited ammo, crashes all his teammates on match start. Absolutely insane Replay is 187253727927969683
Another note is there are a lot of other clips of this player locking onto targets or aimbotting in some sense. While this replay might not be completely conclusive to some heres a better background. This player was originally in THC, then was booted and moved to AVR where he was booted for suspicious activity and then THC took him back and even their own squadron commander admits hes 100% cheating from picture confirmations of discord contacts that I have yet will not kick or do anything about it unless Gaijin does anything. This is going to be one of those drawn out situations where it will likely take Gaijin AGES to do anything about it. But this isn't a speculation, there are tons of clips of this player cheating 100%. The THC squadron commander also wont kick him unless Gaijin bans him further proving the point that THC wont remain competitive since their own leadership would rather keep him fighting in squadron battles than kick a blatant cheater. Lastly I will leave the clips below of him blatantly tracking players thru terrain. streamable.com/1k1qnx streamable.com/0z72t7 streamable.com/5yo5gk
just had a vc chat in their discord with one of their commanders, banned me from the server after i laughed at him after he said 'no i can see his tracks through those 3 trees' in the 2nd shot of the 2nd clip
yeah, I watched a few of his at random to check and saw quite a few times where he'd snap to an enemy that was behind rocks and try to shoot them through the rocks. When he gets distracted he gets sloppy.
I will say this at first I thought it was overdramatic as the asu was in the spawn so it could just have been watching the spawn to see if someone was pushing as well as the asu wasn't perfectly being stared at. THEN THE BOZO IMMEDIATELY LOOKS AT THE M4 LMAO. Changed my mind immediately as that's just insane to do and definitely some form of esp.
the game is full of hackers and I don't see the point of playing anymore. Wow every game has at least 5 or 6 hackers / I watch the replays and I'm amazed how the players look through walls and bushes.
That is absolut BS mate... The game is very hard I get that but there are not multiple hackers per lobby. When I play a lot I usually find one hacker per week tops. Around the new years stuff there are usually a lot more and the craziest amount was a cheater a day.
Dude you have to be outright lying. It is impossible to tell if someone is a cheater unless it’s so blatant that the entire lobby is complaining. I have only once come across someone that was actually obviously cheating. Let alone 5 or 6 per game. You may need to up your game.
4:40 that shot actually is REALLY easy to range without rangefinder. The enemy the same distance away from the ”hacker” as C point, so just looking at C point’s distance ypu can easily get the distance. I do that all the time and I also look if an enemy is twice as far away from me as a point or half way, so I can just double it or split it
I agree, really easy to range because of objective, also 800m with high higher velocity gun is easy in general. this guy is still obviously cheating though, but people not needing to use a range finder is not suspicious at all
In my defence I almost never use range finding in lower tiers unless it’s a far away sniper, or if it’s top tier, but then I seen him select the range and then my excuse for him just went away
Believe me, there are soooo many forum and reddit posts after huge ban waves of people just complaining like: ‘I’ve been playing since the game came out and spent so much money and I got banned for no reason’ etc.
@@Beanzenjoyer76 ya I've read those too, I do love copy and pasting their usernames to see if their claims of innocence is true, usually never is. But going through and verifying all these accounts is just a hindrance so I just wanted to know if he got banned outright considering war thunder rarely banned blatant cheaters anymore.
@@Beanzenjoyer76 2 reddit posts i saw were people who didn't have 2fa on and their accounts got stolen and cheated on then banned. That is entirely the player's fault for not securing their account.
Not defending the guy, but about the rangefinder part. I never grew to use the rangefinder on tanks, I've done everything by eye and gotten surprisingly good at it.
I'll be honest, looking in random directions and not using the range finder isn't hard evidence in my opinion. Theres plenty of replays of me out there where I happen to look directly at the enemy and kinda stare, it isn't because I know they are there its just because I put my mouse in a specific location and kinda scan. And the not ranging thing, I do that a lot because once you get used to maps and guns you just kinda know how far people are by looking, plenty of times I dont range find to shoot at enemies because I can get a good guestimation
I think the real evidence is how confidently he turns his back towards the enemy spawn or hills other players can peek over Unless im playing a light tank i never turn my back towards the general direction of enemy
I play on movie graphics , watching this and you explaining that ULQ doesnt change tree density makes me suspicious of how many cheaters ive ran into when I thought they were just using ULQ
I see loads of cheats that flash up binos before shooting as if it absolves them of cheating like you can take in a whole screen of information in a millisecond.
@@jasonz2641Are you new to the game dude ??? Always use free look so you can see behind the house or whatever. Also setting up sound and using decent headset gives you massive advantage!
Idk if he’s cheating or not, but you questioning him defending himself makes zero sense lol. If someone falsely accused you of something, you would probably defend yourself.
pay attention to his reload status on the bottom screen 6:40-6:45 he shot another round before it was done reloading then switched to his high explosive rounds
This is interesting! I’ve recently started playing warthunder again bc my main game (EFT) is right in the middle of a cheater epidemic, the game is fucked. I wanted to know what a cheater sees and your breakdown is very informative! Nice.
Looking at the battles of players on twitch, I dare say that this game is filled with cheaters and only a group of players “promoting” this game, there is no cheater in their battles. I get into matches where there are cheaters themselves, who can see you through from the wall from a distance of more than 1 km and are unable to hear you.
My laptop that I used to use at ULQ really was like cheating but the game won't even run on that anymore after they changed the game engine. That was a big reason they switched was to kick off the old hardware that could abuse it.
everything is cool, but the ranging thing is kinda picky cus if u play for long, u can easily shoot accurately at shot distances like 1-900 meters (somebody even 1200+ meters) without using range finders or anything + u also can use castom scopes which helps to range-finding by urself (faster than usual one, at low br)
I've been playing War Thunder since 2014 too and i have about 4K hours on it. A lot of the things you pointed out is completely normal. Eyeballing shots instead of rangefinding them is normal. Looking at directions where enemies are behind cover is also normal (Callouts, marks, noice). The only thing i found odd about this is how he ONLY looks in the direction of enemies. he doesnt check spots where there often are players on this map which is weird
The evidence isn't that compelling tbh 1:41 this play isn't exactly something a cheating player would do, he put himself in a position where he could have easily have been destroyed 3:40 "so you're telling me you could see him" - the guy could have been looking for targets in a certain direction and just so happened to be looking where a player was behind cover (maybe that's a common spot where players go to that davidj knows he should look at), he wasn't looking in that direction for as long as you made it out to be either, you paused the recording and made the footage slower too. Maybe if there was footage of him doing this maybe 3 times or move then yeah, i'd find it suspicious 4:12 "so he stares at this player here. That's interesting why would you know he's there" - he isn't necessarily looking at anyone, he could be turning his camera and turret 4:30 "he never range-found" - yeah some players have been playing for 1000s of hours and can estimate distances by heart 6:44 "why would you need to go to reddit if people thought you were cheating, mute them and move on, if you're not cheating then it wouldn't be a problem". - This is a pretty witch-hunty type of statement. No, if people are accusing you of something you didn't do, that is a problem. People have the right to defend themselves if there's even the slightest possibility of false punishment such as a ban or being kicked off a team
I actually was accused and then branded as a cheater by one other youtuber. Because i was in his squadron i tried to defend myself, but he told me "i played it more, i know it better than you" (because it started by chizantema lock and kill thrue full forest), he then just stopped answering me, then kicked and banned me from squadron and discord server. I tried one last time on his channel but received ban there as well, so i just stopped caring about it. I wish someone tried to defend me back there, but what done is done. I know i'm not cheating, my friends know i'm not cheating, i got veteran account with A LOT of premiums and cheating on it would of been moronic move, but when trying to prove it to someone akin to beating your head on a concrete wall - what is the point? Sorry if this is seems like pointless wall of text.
about your rangefinder bit at 4:43 its pretty easy to guess ranges so I wouldn't count that against him, I know I can range in the T-34 pretty easy and I'm pretty bad at the game
he’s definitely not cheating, guessing the range of vehicles across the map is so easy, after playing the game long enough you will easily guess ranges, and as for the antenna behind a hill, that shits easy to seem I see them all the time, the nuclear sun reflects off of tanks and makes them bright af, they’re easy to see
I almost never range either, i use the map squares, they say how long 1 square is, I roughly count up and gues, most of the time correct or a lil but off
I do not see how he is cheating. I do all of these things. I stare in a general direction at people, especially if you know its a place where tanks drive out from. 90% of your accusations can be labelled as coincidental. Also if he was ranging why didnt he do it again after that. He clearly missed that shot on the m6. What if he just wanted to use scrollbar that time? I use scroll bar in low tier like this also. If you saw my gameplay then you might as well ban me.
Same here, looks like pretty normal gameplay. I keep my crosshair still in a random direction and use my eyes to scan the horizons. Only looks to shoot when an enemy is blatantly in sight. Also its not that hard to rangefind with your eyes up to 900+ meters. Not convinced that he's cheating.
Here's a simple example, usernameless person Use the Binoc camera visual: The binocs immediately snap center mass to the locked target. This happens multiple times on the replay, and the binocs are fixed and tracking. This is not normal behavior in any game, especially for aiming at targets at distance beyond audio range. When it comes to reviewing footage like this, most people overanalyze what's going on. If you just watch footage clearly, you'll eventually find something unnatural among natural.
@@TheManOfMyriad i really didnt see something that off in this particular game. I dont say he is clear, but at the same time i cannot say he is cheating if i want to probe someone is cheating i go trough at least 10 or more replays even near 50 or 100, taking note of every suspicius thing the suspect made, just then i can say if someone is cheating or not (with a error margin) unless they do something stupid that really scream outloud i'm a fucking cheater pls ban me. EDIT: BTW i do not dismiss whatever the investigation on this case was made. I'm not really up to competitive warthunder and his comunity and i'm pretty sure that this is not the only one nor the first replay that has been analized (and i'm sure that WTCheatShaming has gone trought this one deeply before made the video)
I pre range at certain spots. I set range to 100 metres at the start of a match. (Dont understand why thats not common practice tbh) is pre ranging frowned upon? Im a noob but im getting pretty good with ranges now that i dont use a range finder at all. I must be a cheater i guess?
Agree. I see only weak evidence for the accusation. I’m the potatoist of potato players and even I know to pre range on terrain. One game I spawned in on the Berlin map in my AVRE, raised the barrel to full elevation without knowing if I had the range for it and lobbed its demolition charge in the direction of enemy spawn assuming it would be full of spawning enemy. I got lucky and got a kill. The player screamed blue murder and cheater. I got lucky on a hunch, that’s all. This channel comes very close to vigilantism which I’m uncomfortable with tbh.
you can eyeball your range finder if you've shot enough rounds out of something, i don't typically use the range finder unless im shooting my KV-2 or SU-Y100
You lost me when you mentioned that he does not rangefind. This happens when you continue to play with vehicles that require skill. Although there are some suspicious moments here and there, it isn't without a reasonable doubt. It gives that cheesy old feeling when back in the CSGO days, some low-skilled players would make Overwatch commentary on UA-cam. And it appears that the entire comment section consists of low-skilled players coping.
The ranging thing doesn't seem to far fetched, its definitely possible to get really slick with range finding based on visual memory of distances. The binos definitely do give off cheating vibes, that was on a target twice almost perfectly and then positioning after that to secure the kill. It's a strange way to play that side of the map as well, especially with just assuming no one would be to the far left waiting. I feel like more footage of different matches would help clarify things a bit more.
The funny thing is I never run into cheaters because I play on console and I go on my Xbox and I turn off crossplay so that way me and my friend can get on the opposite team and kill ai then just take turns capturing points and make a lot of money and RP so I don't have to face PC players at all
@@dixievfd55 I mean if it's a bannable offense they would have done something already and plus this is how we can easily do the events cuz it only takes you about an hour to an hour and a half to get to 45000 Mission score needed for the events
The video I tried to give him on the other forum was a clip of him in a Greyhound snapping to the centerline of an enemy tank out of field of vision, him going into binos for fine vertical adjustment, then firing and turret ring/gunnering the T-26.
Sad part, you do have to range if you're in an open area and can't see anyone, saw it when I was kidnapped with a tank person who found his way home. Better than than that shot again
guessing range without rangefinder does get easy after a while, especially for someone at a high level like this guy. And there is a couple of other parts that you can give him the benefit of the doubt for like aiming in the general direction of the asu because he was mostly just looking towards their spawn which was likely to have enemies in a way that looked like he was just making sure no enemies snuck up on him from it and just by coincidence there was an asu. Maybe he is a cheater and there are better replays showing more outrageous things but from this one Im not convinced.
I've ran in to this guy last week and had a very questionable experience playing against him, Thanks for bringing this clown pants to light keep up the good work.
its pretty easy to estimate ranges but i never set a sepcific range without a range finder i just aim approximate to what i think it is and then adjust on second shot
I was very curious to see how people cheat in WT, and I was hoping to see definite proof of that in this video, but am just not seeing it... First (suspicious) thing he does is, points his view toward enemy spawn... off course there will be enemy vehicles there so that does not prove anything to me. The scanning the horizon... in some instances I don't have to turn turret to scan my front cone of view particularly at start of match, just look at the monitor, wide screen monitors helps. (tip of antenna of vehicle in motion will give out position) Then doesn't use range finder... many don't at lower br's, in many instances I know the maps and know the exact ranges and in other cases it is easier for me to look at the map see the scales and calculate that in my head. (I use range finder constantly at higher br's particularly if laser range finder is available) He shoot at the asu57 while m4a1 is visible behind it, so takes asu out (closest threat) and then immediately fires at m4, why is that suspicious?, any player that pays attention will do that. Also, was he playing with friend's in discord that maybe alerted him to presence of other tanks and ranges? Is this guy using cheats? after watching this video, I could not answer that. sorry, I don't see clear cut cheating here, coincidence at most, but not real proof to the point of focusing the anger of 3.4k subscribers towards a player based on skepticism and suspicion alone. tks.
Ill be doing one last video on this player then im done with it. You are more than welcome to have an opinion which is why I encourage conversations in the comments. But scanning and staring are 2 different things in replays my friend.
2:30 no, he is not staring at the enemy vehicle, he is just looking in the direction of the enemy spawn which is a completely normal thing to do. if that "makes absolutely no sense" to you, something is wrong with you bro. this could be just a coincidence and it doesnt really prove anything 4:10 once again, he is just looking at the B point which got captured by the enemies just recently. there is a lot of enemies there, he just happens to look in the direction of one of them, thats a completely normal thing to do as well. 4:30 the fact that he doesnt range there doesnt prove anything really. the target is just 300 meters away which is an easy shot with the t34 ballistics, especially considering the fact that "he plays a lot of low tier" - something that you have said youreslf in the beggining of the video 3:30 thats really the only actual suspicious moment in the whole video, the rest of the stuff shown doesnt prove anything bro
from what he has said in the squadron discord he left the squadron himself and was not removed by staff. his reason was that the squad was getting too much flak and he didnt want to taint the image.
I'm shocked. The guy has 2000 frags on KV alone in just over 500 battles. And he didn’t come across a single player who asked “What the hell?!” And the worst thing is that such players are then included in the statistics on the effectiveness of tackles. Because of them, T20 is now at 6.3. Because of them, the M18 Hellcat will now receive 6.0
Well the ranging could be an estimate, I am no stranger to knowing ranges but it's weird that he used sight distance control, I just aim my gun regularly.
BTW warthunder only renders people on the map when seen by another player so ESP won't work on a target hiding in a ravine or in a building. all player locations are serverside and people are not on the map visibly until someone is in line of sight of someone else and only for the person who is in line of sight
Thats not true at all. Cheaters have 100% visibility on a player at all times regardless if they aren't visible. War Thunders "extra anti cheat" of unrendering players is supposed to work based on crew skills but breaks when stuff as simple as a fence gets in the way and also breaks when player connection discrepancies are so varied.
@W.T.C.S That guy might be a cheater but i would like to ask: Why is not rangefinding such a giveaway? Sidenote: I just found this video here in my feed and got curious.
Didn't even know cheating was possible in wt. Never seen one ever, or not obvious at least. Thanks for shedding light on it Also, on the ranging point, as much as he was clearly ranging at times where he shouldn't even know that his target is there, visual ranging is 100% a thing. I'm a long range destroyer main and I basically never need to range for my first shot, even up to 1200m-1400m I can visually call it 99% of the time perfectly first time, but considering the skill he displayed and him clearly not being a long range main....yeah, dubious at best. But not everyone needs to range even for longer shots
I encounter players that kill me who act like this fairly regularly since I only have a huge number of low tier vehicles (highest ground vehicle lineup I have is 7.7) and I like 4.0 the most. Usually I have an encounter with one multiple times in a day, but then not again for a while. I've seen basically this *exact* behavior, and they're always in some random premium tank, like the Sherman III/IV, SAV 20.12.48, the German T-34, the German KV-2, the German KW I C, KV-1B, KV-1E (but less commonly for some reason), and sometimes (but rarely) something like the Italian Pz. IV G. It's really frustrating when they show up, since not only do they have a huge advantage against you and take annoying positions close to your spawn early due to their intelligence advantage, but if you do kill them they just take a B-line straight for you to revenge kill you, whether it be via a tank (often a backup of what they just used) or more commonly, a CAS aircraft. It doesn't even matter if you hide yourself well with trees; I'm fairly decent at hiding from CAS thanks to my slower playstyle, and yet they will still drop a 250kg bomb pinpointed on your tank through more vegetation than is in the diets of the vegans of the world united from 2km above you with an aircraft with NO bombsight. Usually, I get bombed by these people while they use the Bf 109 F-4, even more commonly the premium non-German one. Perhaps I do have a bit of skill issue since I don't have the most hours, but I usually average between 5 and 9 kills per game, and when these guys show up I'll get one or two if I'm lucky and we'll lose. Oh, also, another interesting behavior: They rushed the enemy spawn. In my rulebook, that is a no-no not just morally, but it's just a horrible tactical move that early in a match. It's far too easy for your cannon fire or engine noise to alert an enemy and wind up in a situation where you're swarmed by tanks you can't frontally pen, or alternatively, with a tank with too long of a reload to deal with that quantity of vehicles. My preferred way of play on Flanders like that with a similar tank (in my case, the KV-1E) is to hang around next to a rock or in the buildings on B upon securing that position. This way, you can safely shoot the sides of people on A and C, while also being able to take pot shots at light tanks on their way to any capture point, and be able to hide in hard cover if things start shooting or your cannon gets damaged.
To give the guy benefit of the doubt (at least for ranging) I use the mini-map grid square to range in low tier. If you look in the bottom right it tells you the scale (180/200/220/250/etc) per square and estimate based on what I'm seeing. Can't speak to his aim snapping though.
Tbh,you dont really have to rangefind,from the amount of time i play WT i judge distance by eye most of the time,but the looking directly towards enemy that is fully hidden and not spotted sure is an indicator
It sometimes seems like a plague. I'm playing WT once or twice a week, so I'm rather shitty player. But I'm always facing enemies that magically know where I'm hiding, they place paerfect shots on long distances, hit planes with one bursts even on high altitudes and speeds. It starts to be more annoying than fun.
@@dixievfd55 you’d be surprised how many people can go their entire lives without knowing what they’re for. I had a lvl 80 friend who we had to teach what the notches meant.
question im in tier 3 and tier 2 mostly then , is enemy cheating when so far away with building and stuff smoke and stuff but can kill me almost end to end of the map or he is in up hill position but im around the city almost near bases? how to know if someone is cheating in war thunder?
At the moment, this player is a member of the JOINT squad, of course I informed the head of the clan, but I'm not sure that they will throw stones at him there either.
13 years back in the day of Battlefield 2142 I had to make 3 or 4 videos of me playing the game because I got banned for cheating. Fun times. Luckily you can not get banned from private servers such as those from 13 years ago anymore
im up at 7.0 br for germany and I constantly get uptiered. Every time I get uptiered like twice, I just go play low br just for some copium whether its my low br american or low br germany
As much as war thunder, the game creators, monitor people who cheat. They don’t hesitate to cheat themselves.. i’ve had cases where the red tanks will disappear off the map and they will reappear again in a good firing position to eliminate your tank. I am totally convinced of this because this morning I was sitting in a position ready to ambush the tanks coming in my direction. I hear something coming up behind me, but I see on the map. It’s a blue tank and all of a sudden I start getting hit so I turned around and look and it’s a red tank and it fires and it destroys my tank. After he destroys my tank, he pulls up next to my tank and bumps it as if saying I got you. But that’s not the only incident that I’ve had. I’ve been destroyed by tanks that I don’t even see anywhere. It’s like where did the firing come from. One other incident in a street by street urban battle. One of the enemy tanks was sitting in a courtyard. I never saw it on the map. And I’m driving down this little street. I think it was North Holland. And all of a sudden tank shoots me destroys my tank he was never on the map. Other issues I have there has been a few games that I’ve done really well. I think I destroyed maybe 4 to 5 tanks I think I’m doing pretty good. I think I even took out an airplane and all of a sudden a plane falls from the sky right on my position. It’s almost as if the creators are not gonna let you achieve success so they make it really difficult for you to succeeded. Especially if you’re doing fairly decent. And I have played in a battle rating of two where I have seen tanks on the opposite side that are tanks that should be battle rating of four. I don’t know if you can explain some of this. I believe that the opposite side, the red side. Is using some kind of aiming device a bot, maybe software perhaps that is giving them advantage to achieve success. Because some of the kills are a little impossible. Like I have been destroyed by a tank that had shot me through a brick wall. Or a rock. One other issue comes to mind. I was unloading on one tank I think I hit it maybe 10 times I got a critical hit and I couldn’t figure out why it just wasn’t getting destroyed. He turns around fires one shot and destroys my tank. Also, I have seen cases where the tip of the tank is just exposed and it gets hit and somehow it destroys my tank that’s just impossible. And other issues with the technology wasn’t available back in the 1940s is firing and hitting a target Going across a a hilly terrain or a bumpy road, and being able to fire one round and destroying my tank. That technology wasn’t available back in the 1940s. I was in the army and I drove a M1 A1 Abrams tank and we had the technology and the ability to lock onto a target at full speed firing a round and destroying the target. Sorry for the long worded message. Please share some light on these concerns that I have. It would be wonderful to hear from somebody like yourself that sounds pretty knowledged in this game.
I don't know If he's cheating or not but this video is not showing any indication of cheating. You condemn him just because he's not playing with your logic. In your first pick he just watches through binos in general direction of Enemy and then moves on. Second pick. Ranging. You don't need to range If you are experienced in vehicle you are playing and like you said in the beginning, he plays a lot of low tier vehicles. If something just does not make sense to you it does not mean they are cheating. Just different logic.
@@lorppa8269Go watch the other replay then. Its much more convincing than this one. Not to mention said player was kicked out of his squadron for general suspicion of cheating by his own officers in said squadron. Also life is unfair but I investigated a player who in my opinion and others is a cheater so thats how it goes.
@@WTCheatShaming i saw that too. Did not see any proof of cheating. And i've spotted tens of cheaters in this game. I only saw signs of experienced player.
I'm all in against cheating but you need actual proof to accuse someone. You have that responsibility more than some regular wt player because you have a large audience and your voice is heard. Daniel might be cheating but you have not shown any proof of it. Now innocent player might have been kicked from squadron because of you and a competitive squadron lost points. Without concrete evidence.
guessing range isnt hard, its just like ranging rockets without ccip: look at the tank and see how big or small it appears compared to the range lines. With high velocity shells you have more wiggle room. You can also get range by just looking at the minimap, add a squad marker, calculate distance with Pythagoras
I know for a fact that the ranging is not legit, but it is possible for others to be able to do something similar because I do. I just don't set the sight to that specific range.
I get that he was cheating but "ranging" noone does that... i guesstumate range up to 1.2km i only ever use my rangefinder at top teir with laser range finder
I play my account on xbox when im away and comluter when at home. I worry from time to time. I can press a on an air plane then hold left triger and it perfect tracks the plane movment. I still have to find an aim point. But it does snap to a plane once highlited.
Let me breakdown what evidence i see here and posible explainations in favor and aginst: 0:17 Very high KD - Skilled player / Cheater 1:20 No mause movement for 1min - Laziness 1 hand playing / Tinkering in the cheats 1:28 Binos at posible enemy location - Knows enemy routes / Doesnt make sense if he has X-ray 1:40 Charge at M24 - Agressive gameplay / Too agresive for such KD 1:50 Looks back - Just looking around / Snaps exactly at the only enemy tank around while no visual, Xray on 1:55+ Looks around - Just looking around / Try to comouflage the previous blatant cheat 2:30 Looks at ASU - Looking at enemy spawn not ASU / Xray on 3:07 Binos M4A2 - Maybe sound / Xray on 4:13 Looks at T34 - Looking at B / Xray on 4:32 No ranging - Skill to guess + C marker / Cheat 5:20 Charge at M4A2 - Agressive gameplay / Too agresive for such KD 5:28 Binos - Scouting / Looking for the t-34 Xray 5:35 Binos - Scouting / Looking for the t-34 Xray 5:40 Binos - Scouting / Looking for the t-34 Xray 6:08 Looking at airport - Checinkg around / Looking at AAA since the area between spawns is usualy empty, Xray 6:35 Shots at ASU - Bad luck / Missing 2 shots at 400m, lack of skill 7:49 Gets shot - Normal / The whole match has been overexposed, not using covers, not a very high level playstyle 8:18 Plane - Normal, nothing suspicious If looking for cheats, you will find clues even of legit gameplay. But I think there are too many and obvious cases here. Moreover, the disparity between the stats and the skill shown is too big. BTW, I just noticed this is 8 month old, thanks youtube, welp the analisis is done regardless of its usefulness.
2:50 Nothing wrong in that part, aligning your aim with the enemy spawn point using the minimap as reference... But in the rest of the video its very clear his aim snaps exactly on enemy targets.
I hate that cheating has gotten more and more prevalent in this game. I REALLY hate thinking someone's cheating, and it's often my last go to as a explanation of some deaths i've had but I swear it's like ever 2-3 games now there's someone that's really suspicious, sometimes it's kinda obvious.
hey... id been blowing the whistle for the past five years and gaijin simply said "there is no cheating in our game." i blew the whistle so hard the ball flew out of it and then the reed gave up. still nothing happened until just last year. it was so bad back then that you could run into at least five cheaters per match
I legit got shot through 3 buildings in Advance to the Rhine YESTERDAY. There was no way the Panzer could see me and no weird angle shots through windows.. I didnt even think hacks like that existed anymore. I've played for almost 8 years and I didnt know how to report cheaters so I came to this video. It was the most blatant cheating i've ever seen so I wonder how many accounts he's had, I guess hosting OG CoD MW2 10th prestige lobby is karma coming back to bite in War Thunder 15 years later.
You would be surprised how actual WT professional players act in game with their techniques compared to how this cheater playes. From learning key pathing points, to knowing which buildings are destructible or penetrable and so on, this David guy plays far too timidly for a 60% or a 70% let alone how his individual tank engagements act. Ive noticed cheaters are easy to detect when they play timidly or get some of the most crazy shots like you say.
I'm a long time player of ground battles and have watched countless player replays far worse than this one. The cheating has gotten so out of hand that calling out individual players is almost pointless. Gaijin and their defenders will relentlessly bully you for pointing this out.
idk some of these clips are very close to how i play, i never use the range finder yet i always land the first shot and destroy the target from someone who has played since 2014, idk must just be me
For me he is not cheating, there is not enough proof. 3:02 we can see the top of the M4 turret before it is hidden so obviously it is turning in that direction. We must not forget that there is a difference between the replay server and the client.
I've always snubbed the best SQB squadron out there, and now I see a video where THC hosts a blatant cheater. Good thing I've dropped SQB and their squadrons; they make me cringe.
I never liked ground battles thus stuck to air battles. Always felt like I was being targeted too much. Also, it sucks that I can't play with higher graphics as while the foliage is nice, gives an overwhelmingly disadvantage to you. Air battles are different. I can be more aware.
Staring people through terrain is no doubt cheating, but shooting without ranging is not uncommon, unless I have the range finder that can rangefind under 2 to 3 seconds, I usually won't use it. And I've hit shots with in 800M somewhat consistently.
Please follow this template for reporting cheaters to me:
Player:
ID:
Replay:
I never use the range finder myself I have 600 hours and after the first 200 I just learned how to look and see about how far a target is
Id like to report a cheater.
Player id Jacksonpvp
Replay 188383501896739715
In minute 8:50 when he spawns in a tiger he sees me afar between houses and streets. It's on Sweden map. I also have a small Clip on my uploads. It's warthunder cheater Jacksonpvp. Don't know how to report him since I play on console and he's on pc. Thanks
Player:lil sqUIRT6140@live
ID:130362621
Replay:295bcd34d727169
@@Baconator0 He is just bad
Staring at a terrain where the enemy is and it’s a CQB is completely normal I even do it but i mostly listen for enemies track engine sound and locate them. Get more proof I see this player to be just an ordinary player.
The fact THC still host this player after being made aware of all the evidence against him shows they have 0 integrity.
Theres been a bunch of justinplays clanners busted for cheating over the last year but nothing done because of youtuber NDA. They're not allowed to acknowledge that theres cheaters in the game. The closest we got was a Phly vid who featured a cheater and he got a CaD a few days later and eventually deleted the vid. None of them want to mess with the monetary bottom line. Also NOBLE clan has been busted so many times that you should automatically save and watch any replay where you had a match with a member.
@@wedgeantilles3983 When was the Justinplays clanners busted? never heard of it, and played with them a few times on discord and they seemed legit (we were streaming
even if they ban him, hes got ban only for account, hes can make another one and play again with cheats because cheats cost more than premium vehicles. people pay for premiums and do pay for cheats who cost less
@@wedgeantilles3983That isn't entirely true anymore. Hell TEC discussed it frequently after the recent Chinese bust. They just afaik aren't allowed to gripe openly about it, but can show an encounter of a player cheating offhand. Justin did it in a past video and send the replay to me to show
What evidence?
There should be a special Server only for banned Cheaters, than they can have fun who is the best cheater
Naw, their shell's damage/spall damage should be reduced by a shit ton + their tank should get full ammo ammoracked, even if not full ammo load, by the slighest of hits, like MG bullets, even if non pen.
@@victoryday663 real
@@victoryday663 thats cod lmao
@@Marder_IFV wt can adapt it, it would be nice seeing some of the cheaters complaining in chat not knowing they are being fucked with by the devs for being a pos
That's just an hvh lobby.
Lookup hvh csgo 😂
THC saying "we'll only kick him if he gets banned" is such a horrible take. Respectable squadrons remove cheaters before they get banned, and there are plenty of obvious cheaters that have been around for years without getting banned.
well, he probably does a lot of call outs where the enemy team at on the map, when they are in a match gives them advantage.
(Edit): the man has been removed from the squadron, there are other and better evidence that shows he is cheating.
Then why did Gaijin review the matter and conclude that he was not cheating? Suspicious behaviour is not equal to being guilty, got to have good proof and so far it’s not the case.
@FelixTheory Gaijin didn't review anything. Darksoulviper sent one singular clip to a GM that can't ban people himself and pretended that means the guy is cleared. If you've played squadronbattles for a while you will know obvious hackers that haven't been banned for years, like LynxSpray and compacts. Every respectable squadron would kick someone like this.
The funniest bit is that darksoulviper himself said the guy is hacking while he was in AVR. That was a month ago.
@@FelixTheory Gaijin didn't review the matter lmfao. Your commander sent a SINGLE clip to a streamer who helps with replay review/bans, out of multiple.
If you think this is "Gaijin reviewing the matter", you're delusional.
@ACR909 One employee from Gaijin as I’m aware has seen one replay. You or others have to give better proof than this video that has been uploaded. Suspicious behaviour is not good enough.
this guy killed me at like 1km in the german t34 when i was a t34-1942 and it was like bruh through trees and bushes over a hill
How the hell did the F-34 gun penetrate a fellow T-34 at that distance?
It’s usually a m-51
@@Launchcode12 yeah through a hill and multiple trees and bushes where there was 0 visibility or way he would have seen me “omg you must just be bad”
i mean i've hit shots that are 1km away with a Chi-To Late, ARL-44 90, ect ect, i've never really been accused of cheating and i've never cheated in War Thunder, its not impossible but it can been seen as very suspicious, at far ranges with the right settings, bushes don't load either past 800m+
@@xvphoenixvii5146 literally he was sat in a place where there was hills and trees where it would have to have went through a hill and over 1 or 2 to hit me
The fact that this guy is cheating AND STILL gets destroyed is completely beyond me. How shit at the game must you be to know the position of all enemies on the map only to still be caught out of position.
cheaters often get over confident and also tend to make poor decisions since they rely on their cheat crutch. Once he got into a situation where he was surrounded by too many players too keep track of on his wall hacks he had trouble.
@@TheGimpy117 Also they usually are poor players.
I've been in a couple of battles where the other team had a player score like a dozen kills and not get killed at all and I'm like how the f**k are you doing that
@@bossgunny4203 been there om the winning end and tbh... I saved the replay and asked dafk did I do that?😅
@@bossgunny4203 I mean that's not guaranteed cheating. A lucky flank + spawnkilling gets you 10 kills easily if not more, especially if teammates distract the enemy for you
The most obvious indicator would be this Level 100 in a tough clan fluffing on his shots against several easily visible vehicles shown in this replay, after perfectly ranging 2 of them prior, and noticing people not yet directly visible. Most cheaters tend to be horrible even with cheats and it shows lol.
100% agree. I honestly think it's making him worse as he's using it as such a crutch and looking at so much he doesn't need to, that he's missing more important stuff actually posing a threat
If anything wouldn't that indicate that he has skill based on playtime for ranging easy shots without using the range finder, and that he doesn't really know exactly what will and won't work against every vehicle? Some of those m4's you can pen the turret where he shot it in some tanks. Some you can't.
@@Beanys728 He shouldnt have needed to range half those shots. any high hours player can see those distances for what they are on the spot
@@overheadcam I literally just said that.
@@Beanys728no. Cope harder
5.7-8.0 BR's are infested with cheaters right now in both Arcade and Realistic. Oddly enough there are more exploiters playing in arcade lately because it's 'harder' for them to be noticed cheating, and most players in arcade will dismiss blatant cheating just because it's arcade which is a nonsensical approach to the problem.
3.0-4.7 Still has a few exploiter accounts running around, mostly level 7-18's, chinese or russian names, but there are some level 70-100's who also have been chilling for a few weeks in the low BR's and cheating.
(Note, I play on servers limited to USA only in matchmaking, and it seems like these are the servers all the exploiters are queuing for since I can consistently find them day after day. No clue how the other match servers are.)
You get around 8 to 10 hours of the day on EU servers where half of each team are chinese.
fun fact. you only need to have anti cheat on to play GRB and i think SIM. arcade and air RB can be played without running easy anti cheat
@@wedgeantilles3983 Despite common assumptions, the majority of the cheats' clientele is located in Europe and the US, rather than in China.
@@armorc6779 EAC is needed for any RB or Sim mode, regardless of vehicle type.
Though not like it does anything anyway being that every single ban I've seen was a manual wave rather than something firing EAC.
@@TamamoF0X then how come i can play both arcade modes and air RB without EAC running hmm?
2:48 "I don't know anyone who just runs in" (it took me 5 years to get to 6.7 for a reason)
I never use my rangefinder, I just aim up and pray (or once I'm used to the vehicle I kinda just get a feel for the round velocity) Otherwise yea, this is egregious cheating, and actually changing the range before shooting knowing the exact range
Exactly.
Bind my range key to my mouse so I can range and fire at once
But how often beyond a certain range are you 100% correct? I mean I have 5000 hours in the game and im not center mass every shot
@@WTCheatShaming Usually hit center mass 95% of the time once I'm used to the velocity, and at the long ranges in BRs without mechanical or lazer range finders, I can readjust and get a second shot off before the enemy can rangefind me.
Similar for me, but once the target is a certain distance or more away I cannot reliably hit them on the first shot.
It depends on the gun though, on the short US 75mm I am only accurate up until ~850m, but for the German long 88m 1,000m shots are pretty easy.
PLEASE do a video on the air cheater that blew up on reddit. That needs to be logged in the archive. Unlimited ammo, crashes all his teammates on match start. Absolutely insane
Replay is 187253727927969683
He's got a fake unicode name too. Completely invisible. blank.
Fyi his burner account in the replay was banned already
He's already banned.
@@ACR909 I know. I already said so
Bro is proving a point how weak this game's security is. Tbh Gaijin needs this to hear how much they are fucking up
@WTCheatShaming yea. I really hope gaijin takes note. Theyve had their head in the sand too long
Another note is there are a lot of other clips of this player locking onto targets or aimbotting in some sense. While this replay might not be completely conclusive to some heres a better background. This player was originally in THC, then was booted and moved to AVR where he was booted for suspicious activity and then THC took him back and even their own squadron commander admits hes 100% cheating from picture confirmations of discord contacts that I have yet will not kick or do anything about it unless Gaijin does anything. This is going to be one of those drawn out situations where it will likely take Gaijin AGES to do anything about it. But this isn't a speculation, there are tons of clips of this player cheating 100%.
The THC squadron commander also wont kick him unless Gaijin bans him further proving the point that THC wont remain competitive since their own leadership would rather keep him fighting in squadron battles than kick a blatant cheater.
Lastly I will leave the clips below of him blatantly tracking players thru terrain.
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just had a vc chat in their discord with one of their commanders, banned me from the server after i laughed at him after he said 'no i can see his tracks through those 3 trees' in the 2nd shot of the 2nd clip
@@FauItlessTheir main leader wont kick him from the squadron unless gaijin bans him. Verbatim from him. So much for being an honest comp squadron
@@FauItless Yeah, you're not the first person THC has banned for speaking the truth.
yeah, I watched a few of his at random to check and saw quite a few times where he'd snap to an enemy that was behind rocks and try to shoot them through the rocks. When he gets distracted he gets sloppy.
Have you guys check their latest post on discord?
I will say this at first I thought it was overdramatic as the asu was in the spawn so it could just have been watching the spawn to see if someone was pushing as well as the asu wasn't perfectly being stared at. THEN THE BOZO IMMEDIATELY LOOKS AT THE M4 LMAO. Changed my mind immediately as that's just insane to do and definitely some form of esp.
the game is full of hackers and I don't see the point of playing anymore. Wow every game has at least 5 or 6 hackers / I watch the replays and I'm amazed how the players look through walls and bushes.
Ive played quite abit of war thunder and in my experience there arent many hackers. But I play on NA severs so I don’t know about EU severs
Most of them are in high tiers, in the ww2 era there are barely any.
That is absolut BS mate...
The game is very hard I get that but there are not multiple hackers per lobby.
When I play a lot I usually find one hacker per week tops. Around the new years stuff there are usually a lot more and the craziest amount was a cheater a day.
Dude you have to be outright lying. It is impossible to tell if someone is a cheater unless it’s so blatant that the entire lobby is complaining. I have only once come across someone that was actually obviously cheating. Let alone 5 or 6 per game. You may need to up your game.
@@Boris_The_Turtle which server are you playing on?
4:40 that shot actually is REALLY easy to range without rangefinder. The enemy the same distance away from the ”hacker” as C point, so just looking at C point’s distance ypu can easily get the distance. I do that all the time and I also look if an enemy is twice as far away from me as a point or half way, so I can just double it or split it
I agree, really easy to range because of objective, also 800m with high higher velocity gun is easy in general. this guy is still obviously cheating though, but people not needing to use a range finder is not suspicious at all
Agreed
Bro agreed his own comment
I think it was the guy who made this video answered to this comment before but seems like he has deleted it
Bro I only play low tier and almost Never use range finder, I just do it on instinct and it usually works 😭
In my defence I almost never use range finding in lower tiers unless it’s a far away sniper, or if it’s top tier, but then I seen him select the range and then my excuse for him just went away
Yep, that's a cheater no doubt.
So did he get banned? Because going to reddit to deny cheating sounds extremely sus.
Believe me, there are soooo many forum and reddit posts after huge ban waves of people just complaining like: ‘I’ve been playing since the game came out and spent so much money and I got banned for no reason’ etc.
@@Beanzenjoyer76 ya I've read those too, I do love copy and pasting their usernames to see if their claims of innocence is true, usually never is. But going through and verifying all these accounts is just a hindrance so I just wanted to know if he got banned outright considering war thunder rarely banned blatant cheaters anymore.
@@Beanzenjoyer76 2 reddit posts i saw were people who didn't have 2fa on and their accounts got stolen and cheated on then banned. That is entirely the player's fault for not securing their account.
Not defending the guy, but about the rangefinder part.
I never grew to use the rangefinder on tanks, I've done everything by eye and gotten surprisingly good at it.
He ranged his barrel for 750, no one who plays by feel will ever do that, they’d just aim up and shoot
yeah no. people do just guess.@@DJ_not_DJ
yes they do?? @@DJ_not_DJ
@@uisce_ no, they dont
@@scalion44y22 y-yeah? They do??
I have never used a range finder and don't know the key bind for it, nor do I know the bindings to change the range marker manually 🤷♂️
I'll be honest, looking in random directions and not using the range finder isn't hard evidence in my opinion. Theres plenty of replays of me out there where I happen to look directly at the enemy and kinda stare, it isn't because I know they are there its just because I put my mouse in a specific location and kinda scan. And the not ranging thing, I do that a lot because once you get used to maps and guns you just kinda know how far people are by looking, plenty of times I dont range find to shoot at enemies because I can get a good guestimation
I think the real evidence is how confidently he turns his back towards the enemy spawn or hills other players can peek over
Unless im playing a light tank i never turn my back towards the general direction of enemy
How many times I’ve been killed while standing still and wondered how the hell did they see me
I play on movie graphics , watching this and you explaining that ULQ doesnt change tree density makes me suspicious of how many cheaters ive ran into when I thought they were just using ULQ
Most competitive squadrons run ULQ for the advantage. I cant run any higher than medium - high due to my hardware
I see loads of cheats that flash up binos before shooting as if it absolves them of cheating like you can take in a whole screen of information in a millisecond.
They like using free look behind cover to look for enemy’s location as well. Must be their one million dollar gaming headset doing its job.
@@jasonz2641Are you new to the game dude ??? Always use free look so you can see behind the house or whatever. Also setting up sound and using decent headset gives you massive advantage!
Idk if he’s cheating or not, but you questioning him defending himself makes zero sense lol. If someone falsely accused you of something, you would probably defend yourself.
pay attention to his reload status on the bottom screen 6:40-6:45 he shot another round before it was done reloading then switched to his high explosive rounds
it is a replay bug
Replays do not take crew skill into account. They always show base reload
@@OneStrangeDeer thanks foe letting me know
This is interesting! I’ve recently started playing warthunder again bc my main game (EFT) is right in the middle of a cheater epidemic, the game is fucked. I wanted to know what a cheater sees and your breakdown is very informative! Nice.
Looking at the battles of players on twitch, I dare say that this game is filled with cheaters and only a group of players “promoting” this game, there is no cheater in their battles. I get into matches where there are cheaters themselves, who can see you through from the wall from a distance of more than 1 km and are unable to hear you.
I love how people still blame ULG. That myth went years ago
My laptop that I used to use at ULQ really was like cheating but the game won't even run on that anymore after they changed the game engine. That was a big reason they switched was to kick off the old hardware that could abuse it.
Use to be so cheesy
Glad they fixed it
They didn't fix it, ulq still disables tessellation which is why i am using ulq myself.
Could "The cheater" have spotted the tanks exhaust in some of those? Sometimes that is a dead give away.
everything is cool, but the ranging thing is kinda picky cus if u play for long, u can easily shoot accurately at shot distances like 1-900 meters (somebody even 1200+ meters) without using range finders or anything + u also can use castom scopes which helps to range-finding by urself (faster than usual one, at low br)
I've been playing War Thunder since 2014 too and i have about 4K hours on it. A lot of the things you pointed out is completely normal. Eyeballing shots instead of rangefinding them is normal. Looking at directions where enemies are behind cover is also normal (Callouts, marks, noice). The only thing i found odd about this is how he ONLY looks in the direction of enemies. he doesnt check spots where there often are players on this map which is weird
I appreciate you doing this because I quit playing WT on weekends and in general because of the cheating.
no you didn't
The evidence isn't that compelling tbh
1:41 this play isn't exactly something a cheating player would do, he put himself in a position where he could have easily have been destroyed
3:40 "so you're telling me you could see him" - the guy could have been looking for targets in a certain direction and just so happened to be looking where a player was behind cover (maybe that's a common spot where players go to that davidj knows he should look at), he wasn't looking in that direction for as long as you made it out to be either, you paused the recording and made the footage slower too. Maybe if there was footage of him doing this maybe 3 times or move then yeah, i'd find it suspicious
4:12 "so he stares at this player here. That's interesting why would you know he's there" - he isn't necessarily looking at anyone, he could be turning his camera and turret
4:30 "he never range-found" - yeah some players have been playing for 1000s of hours and can estimate distances by heart
6:44 "why would you need to go to reddit if people thought you were cheating, mute them and move on, if you're not cheating then it wouldn't be a problem". - This is a pretty witch-hunty type of statement. No, if people are accusing you of something you didn't do, that is a problem. People have the right to defend themselves if there's even the slightest possibility of false punishment such as a ban or being kicked off a team
I actually was accused and then branded as a cheater by one other youtuber. Because i was in his squadron i tried to defend myself, but he told me "i played it more, i know it better than you" (because it started by chizantema lock and kill thrue full forest), he then just stopped answering me, then kicked and banned me from squadron and discord server. I tried one last time on his channel but received ban there as well, so i just stopped caring about it. I wish someone tried to defend me back there, but what done is done. I know i'm not cheating, my friends know i'm not cheating, i got veteran account with A LOT of premiums and cheating on it would of been moronic move, but when trying to prove it to someone akin to beating your head on a concrete wall - what is the point? Sorry if this is seems like pointless wall of text.
about your rangefinder bit at 4:43 its pretty easy to guess ranges so I wouldn't count that against him, I know I can range in the T-34 pretty easy and I'm pretty bad at the game
he’s definitely not cheating, guessing the range of vehicles across the map is so easy, after playing the game long enough you will easily guess ranges, and as for the antenna behind a hill, that shits easy to seem I see them all the time, the nuclear sun reflects off of tanks and makes them bright af, they’re easy to see
I almost never range either, i use the map squares, they say how long 1 square is, I roughly count up and gues, most of the time correct or a lil but off
I do not see how he is cheating. I do all of these things. I stare in a general direction at people, especially if you know its a place where tanks drive out from. 90% of your accusations can be labelled as coincidental. Also if he was ranging why didnt he do it again after that. He clearly missed that shot on the m6. What if he just wanted to use scrollbar that time? I use scroll bar in low tier like this also. If you saw my gameplay then you might as well ban me.
Same here, looks like pretty normal gameplay. I keep my crosshair still in a random direction and use my eyes to scan the horizons. Only looks to shoot when an enemy is blatantly in sight. Also its not that hard to rangefind with your eyes up to 900+ meters. Not convinced that he's cheating.
Here's a simple example, usernameless person
Use the Binoc camera visual: The binocs immediately snap center mass to the locked target. This happens multiple times on the replay, and the binocs are fixed and tracking.
This is not normal behavior in any game, especially for aiming at targets at distance beyond audio range.
When it comes to reviewing footage like this, most people overanalyze what's going on. If you just watch footage clearly, you'll eventually find something unnatural among natural.
@@TheManOfMyriad i really didnt see something that off in this particular game. I dont say he is clear, but at the same time i cannot say he is cheating if i want to probe someone is cheating i go trough at least 10 or more replays even near 50 or 100, taking note of every suspicius thing the suspect made, just then i can say if someone is cheating or not (with a error margin) unless they do something stupid that really scream outloud i'm a fucking cheater pls ban me.
EDIT: BTW i do not dismiss whatever the investigation on this case was made. I'm not really up to competitive warthunder and his comunity and i'm pretty sure that this is not the only one nor the first replay that has been analized (and i'm sure that WTCheatShaming has gone trought this one deeply before made the video)
I pre range at certain spots. I set range to 100 metres at the start of a match. (Dont understand why thats not common practice tbh) is pre ranging frowned upon? Im a noob but im getting pretty good with ranges now that i dont use a range finder at all.
I must be a cheater i guess?
Agree. I see only weak evidence for the accusation. I’m the potatoist of potato players and even I know to pre range on terrain. One game I spawned in on the Berlin map in my AVRE, raised the barrel to full elevation without knowing if I had the range for it and lobbed its demolition charge in the direction of enemy spawn assuming it would be full of spawning enemy. I got lucky and got a kill. The player screamed blue murder and cheater. I got lucky on a hunch, that’s all. This channel comes very close to vigilantism which I’m uncomfortable with tbh.
you can eyeball your range finder if you've shot enough rounds out of something, i don't typically use the range finder unless im shooting my KV-2 or SU-Y100
45 shells, almost died to an M24, decided staying out in the open was a good idea. amazing stuff right there
You lost me when you mentioned that he does not rangefind. This happens when you continue to play with vehicles that require skill. Although there are some suspicious moments here and there, it isn't without a reasonable doubt. It gives that cheesy old feeling when back in the CSGO days, some low-skilled players would make Overwatch commentary on UA-cam. And it appears that the entire comment section consists of low-skilled players coping.
Cheaters don’t need to rangefind
@@WTCheatShaming I don’t need to rangefind majority of the time either. If you think that is improbable thats a skill issue on your part.
If an enemy tank uses the smoke grenade on purpose to get me out of cover, and immediately after I get out of cover it shoots me, is this a cheater?
The ranging thing doesn't seem to far fetched, its definitely possible to get really slick with range finding based on visual memory of distances.
The binos definitely do give off cheating vibes, that was on a target twice almost perfectly and then positioning after that to secure the kill. It's a strange way to play that side of the map as well, especially with just assuming no one would be to the far left waiting. I feel like more footage of different matches would help clarify things a bit more.
The funny thing is I never run into cheaters because I play on console and I go on my Xbox and I turn off crossplay so that way me and my friend can get on the opposite team and kill ai then just take turns capturing points and make a lot of money and RP so I don't have to face PC players at all
You can be banned for that, too.
@@dixievfd55 I mean if it's a bannable offense they would have done something already and plus this is how we can easily do the events cuz it only takes you about an hour to an hour and a half to get to 45000 Mission score needed for the events
cheating is getting so bad atm
The video I tried to give him on the other forum was a clip of him in a Greyhound snapping to the centerline of an enemy tank out of field of vision, him going into binos for fine vertical adjustment, then firing and turret ring/gunnering the T-26.
Dang thats my old squad.
Ranging isnt a thing i do aswell, unless its a top tier tank with laser range finder. Its not hard to guess the distance
Sad part, you do have to range if you're in an open area and can't see anyone, saw it when I was kidnapped with a tank person who found his way home. Better than than that shot again
guessing range without rangefinder does get easy after a while, especially for someone at a high level like this guy. And there is a couple of other parts that you can give him the benefit of the doubt for like aiming in the general direction of the asu because he was mostly just looking towards their spawn which was likely to have enemies in a way that looked like he was just making sure no enemies snuck up on him from it and just by coincidence there was an asu. Maybe he is a cheater and there are better replays showing more outrageous things but from this one Im not convinced.
Agreed, I'm not convinced and its not fair to call someone a cheater without solid facts.
I've ran in to this guy last week and had a very questionable experience playing against him, Thanks for bringing this clown pants to light keep up the good work.
its pretty easy to estimate ranges but i never set a sepcific range without a range finder i just aim approximate to what i think it is and then adjust on second shot
I was very curious to see how people cheat in WT, and I was hoping to see definite proof of that in this video, but am just not seeing it...
First (suspicious) thing he does is, points his view toward enemy spawn... off course there will be enemy vehicles there so that does not prove anything to me.
The scanning the horizon... in some instances I don't have to turn turret to scan my front cone of view particularly at start of match, just look at the monitor, wide screen monitors helps. (tip of antenna of vehicle in motion will give out position)
Then doesn't use range finder... many don't at lower br's, in many instances I know the maps and know the exact ranges and in other cases it is easier for me to look at the map see the scales and calculate that in my head. (I use range finder constantly at higher br's particularly if laser range finder is available)
He shoot at the asu57 while m4a1 is visible behind it, so takes asu out (closest threat) and then immediately fires at m4, why is that suspicious?, any player that pays attention will do that.
Also, was he playing with friend's in discord that maybe alerted him to presence of other tanks and ranges?
Is this guy using cheats? after watching this video, I could not answer that.
sorry, I don't see clear cut cheating here, coincidence at most, but not real proof to the point of focusing the anger of 3.4k subscribers towards a player based on skepticism and suspicion alone.
tks.
Ill be doing one last video on this player then im done with it. You are more than welcome to have an opinion which is why I encourage conversations in the comments. But scanning and staring are 2 different things in replays my friend.
@@WTCheatShaming hello and thanks for the reply, I've subscribed since looking forward to the video.
videos like these are why I rarely touch multiplayer games anymore. Botting is so rampant on the internet these days, not even for just games either.
2:30 no, he is not staring at the enemy vehicle, he is just looking in the direction of the enemy spawn which is a completely normal thing to do. if that "makes absolutely no sense" to you, something is wrong with you bro. this could be just a coincidence and it doesnt really prove anything
4:10 once again, he is just looking at the B point which got captured by the enemies just recently. there is a lot of enemies there, he just happens to look in the direction of one of them, thats a completely normal thing to do as well.
4:30 the fact that he doesnt range there doesnt prove anything really. the target is just 300 meters away which is an easy shot with the t34 ballistics, especially considering the fact that "he plays a lot of low tier" - something that you have said youreslf in the beggining of the video
3:30 thats really the only actual suspicious moment in the whole video, the rest of the stuff shown doesnt prove anything bro
I remember the good old days when people used to say, "you can't cheat in war thunder, it's impossible".
from what he has said in the squadron discord he left the squadron himself and was not removed by staff. his reason was that the squad was getting too much flak and he didnt want to taint the image.
I'm shocked. The guy has 2000 frags on KV alone in just over 500 battles. And he didn’t come across a single player who asked “What the hell?!”
And the worst thing is that such players are then included in the statistics on the effectiveness of tackles. Because of them, T20 is now at 6.3. Because of them, the M18 Hellcat will now receive 6.0
after 300 hours of playtime i finally learn that there is a rangefinder
Well the ranging could be an estimate, I am no stranger to knowing ranges but it's weird that he used sight distance control, I just aim my gun regularly.
BTW warthunder only renders people on the map when seen by another player so ESP won't work on a target hiding in a ravine or in a building. all player locations are serverside and people are not on the map visibly until someone is in line of sight of someone else and only for the person who is in line of sight
Thats not true at all. Cheaters have 100% visibility on a player at all times regardless if they aren't visible. War Thunders "extra anti cheat" of unrendering players is supposed to work based on crew skills but breaks when stuff as simple as a fence gets in the way and also breaks when player connection discrepancies are so varied.
@W.T.C.S That guy might be a cheater but i would like to ask: Why is not rangefinding such a giveaway?
Sidenote: I just found this video here in my feed and got curious.
Didn't even know cheating was possible in wt. Never seen one ever, or not obvious at least. Thanks for shedding light on it
Also, on the ranging point, as much as he was clearly ranging at times where he shouldn't even know that his target is there, visual ranging is 100% a thing. I'm a long range destroyer main and I basically never need to range for my first shot, even up to 1200m-1400m I can visually call it 99% of the time perfectly first time, but considering the skill he displayed and him clearly not being a long range main....yeah, dubious at best. But not everyone needs to range even for longer shots
"he's starring at this" like 80 percent of my matches b4 im clapped from some god awful bullshit through a hill and building shot from a leo
I encounter players that kill me who act like this fairly regularly since I only have a huge number of low tier vehicles (highest ground vehicle lineup I have is 7.7) and I like 4.0 the most. Usually I have an encounter with one multiple times in a day, but then not again for a while. I've seen basically this *exact* behavior, and they're always in some random premium tank, like the Sherman III/IV, SAV 20.12.48, the German T-34, the German KV-2, the German KW I C, KV-1B, KV-1E (but less commonly for some reason), and sometimes (but rarely) something like the Italian Pz. IV G. It's really frustrating when they show up, since not only do they have a huge advantage against you and take annoying positions close to your spawn early due to their intelligence advantage, but if you do kill them they just take a B-line straight for you to revenge kill you, whether it be via a tank (often a backup of what they just used) or more commonly, a CAS aircraft. It doesn't even matter if you hide yourself well with trees; I'm fairly decent at hiding from CAS thanks to my slower playstyle, and yet they will still drop a 250kg bomb pinpointed on your tank through more vegetation than is in the diets of the vegans of the world united from 2km above you with an aircraft with NO bombsight. Usually, I get bombed by these people while they use the Bf 109 F-4, even more commonly the premium non-German one. Perhaps I do have a bit of skill issue since I don't have the most hours, but I usually average between 5 and 9 kills per game, and when these guys show up I'll get one or two if I'm lucky and we'll lose.
Oh, also, another interesting behavior: They rushed the enemy spawn. In my rulebook, that is a no-no not just morally, but it's just a horrible tactical move that early in a match. It's far too easy for your cannon fire or engine noise to alert an enemy and wind up in a situation where you're swarmed by tanks you can't frontally pen, or alternatively, with a tank with too long of a reload to deal with that quantity of vehicles. My preferred way of play on Flanders like that with a similar tank (in my case, the KV-1E) is to hang around next to a rock or in the buildings on B upon securing that position. This way, you can safely shoot the sides of people on A and C, while also being able to take pot shots at light tanks on their way to any capture point, and be able to hide in hard cover if things start shooting or your cannon gets damaged.
To give the guy benefit of the doubt (at least for ranging) I use the mini-map grid square to range in low tier. If you look in the bottom right it tells you the scale (180/200/220/250/etc) per square and estimate based on what I'm seeing. Can't speak to his aim snapping though.
The hacks have gotten out of hand this past 2 years
Tbh,you dont really have to rangefind,from the amount of time i play WT i judge distance by eye most of the time,but the looking directly towards enemy that is fully hidden and not spotted sure is an indicator
THC playin like he’s in WOT 😅
It sometimes seems like a plague. I'm playing WT once or twice a week, so I'm rather shitty player. But I'm always facing enemies that magically know where I'm hiding, they place paerfect shots on long distances, hit planes with one bursts even on high altitudes and speeds.
It starts to be more annoying than fun.
ThERe iS nO RAnGe IndiCAtOr bro some people can guess a range well if they know the shell that’s not even a valid argument. I never range in low tier
Some people actually know how to use the tick marks on the sight, too. They aren't there for decoration.
@@dixievfd55 you’d be surprised how many people can go their entire lives without knowing what they’re for. I had a lvl 80 friend who we had to teach what the notches meant.
i just eye ball in low tear
question im in tier 3 and tier 2 mostly then , is enemy cheating when so far away with building and stuff smoke and stuff but can kill me almost end to end of the map or he is in up hill position but im around the city almost near bases? how to know if someone is cheating in war thunder?
At the moment, this player is a member of the JOINT squad, of course I informed the head of the clan, but I'm not sure that they will throw stones at him there either.
Joint is also a Russian clan so David is right at home
Let me see if i get it. The player literally finds a way to activate the tactical view fo the replay tool in the match?
looks like he has all the arcade functionality in RB
13 years back in the day of Battlefield 2142 I had to make 3 or 4 videos of me playing the game because I got banned for cheating. Fun times. Luckily you can not get banned from private servers such as those from 13 years ago anymore
im up at 7.0 br for germany and I constantly get uptiered. Every time I get uptiered like twice, I just go play low br just for some copium whether its my low br american or low br germany
As much as war thunder, the game creators, monitor people who cheat. They don’t hesitate to cheat themselves..
i’ve had cases where the red tanks will disappear off the map and they will reappear again in a good firing position to eliminate your tank.
I am totally convinced of this because this morning I was sitting in a position ready to ambush the tanks coming in my direction. I hear something coming up behind me, but I see on the map. It’s a blue tank and all of a sudden I start getting hit so I turned around and look and it’s a red tank and it fires and it destroys my tank. After he destroys my tank, he pulls up next to my tank and bumps it as if saying I got you. But that’s not the only incident that I’ve had. I’ve been destroyed by tanks that I don’t even see anywhere. It’s like where did the firing come from.
One other incident in a street by street urban battle. One of the enemy tanks was sitting in a courtyard. I never saw it on the map. And I’m driving down this little street. I think it was North Holland. And all of a sudden tank shoots me destroys my tank he was never on the map. Other issues I have there has been a few games that I’ve done really well. I think I destroyed maybe 4 to 5 tanks I think I’m doing pretty good. I think I even took out an airplane and all of a sudden a plane falls from the sky right on my position.
It’s almost as if the creators are not gonna let you achieve success so they make it really difficult for you to succeeded.
Especially if you’re doing fairly decent. And I have played in a battle rating of two where I have seen tanks on the opposite side that are tanks that should be battle rating of four.
I don’t know if you can explain some of this. I believe that the opposite side, the red side. Is using some kind of aiming device a bot, maybe software perhaps that is giving them advantage to achieve success.
Because some of the kills are a little impossible. Like I have been destroyed by a tank that had shot me through a brick wall. Or a rock. One other issue comes to mind. I was unloading on one tank I think I hit it maybe 10 times I got a critical hit and I couldn’t figure out why it just wasn’t getting destroyed. He turns around fires one shot and destroys my tank. Also, I have seen cases where the tip of the tank is just exposed and it gets hit and somehow it destroys my tank that’s just impossible. And other issues with the technology wasn’t available back in the 1940s is firing and hitting a target Going across a a hilly terrain or a bumpy road, and being able to fire one round and destroying my tank. That technology wasn’t available back in the 1940s. I was in the army and I drove a M1 A1 Abrams tank and we had the technology and the ability to lock onto a target at full speed firing a round and destroying the target.
Sorry for the long worded message. Please share some light on these concerns that I have. It would be wonderful to hear from somebody like yourself that sounds pretty knowledged in this game.
I don't know If he's cheating or not but this video is not showing any indication of cheating. You condemn him just because he's not playing with your logic.
In your first pick he just watches through binos in general direction of Enemy and then moves on.
Second pick. Ranging. You don't need to range If you are experienced in vehicle you are playing and like you said in the beginning, he plays a lot of low tier vehicles.
If something just does not make sense to you it does not mean they are cheating. Just different logic.
Its why this player has 2 videos on him
@@WTCheatShaming i would then show actual proof before accusing anything. This is irresponsible and unfair.
@@lorppa8269Go watch the other replay then. Its much more convincing than this one. Not to mention said player was kicked out of his squadron for general suspicion of cheating by his own officers in said squadron. Also life is unfair but I investigated a player who in my opinion and others is a cheater so thats how it goes.
@@WTCheatShaming i saw that too. Did not see any proof of cheating. And i've spotted tens of cheaters in this game. I only saw signs of experienced player.
I'm all in against cheating but you need actual proof to accuse someone. You have that responsibility more than some regular wt player because you have a large audience and your voice is heard.
Daniel might be cheating but you have not shown any proof of it. Now innocent player might have been kicked from squadron because of you and a competitive squadron lost points. Without concrete evidence.
guessing range isnt hard, its just like ranging rockets without ccip: look at the tank and see how big or small it appears compared to the range lines. With high velocity shells you have more wiggle room. You can also get range by just looking at the minimap, add a squad marker, calculate distance with Pythagoras
i mostly use the map to shoot them, because in low tier range finder is both innaccurate and slow AF
how long is band for cheaters?
I know for a fact that the ranging is not legit, but it is possible for others to be able to do something similar because I do. I just don't set the sight to that specific range.
I get that he was cheating but "ranging" noone does that... i guesstumate range up to 1.2km i only ever use my rangefinder at top teir with laser range finder
I play my account on xbox when im away and comluter when at home.
I worry from time to time. I can press a on an air plane then hold left triger and it perfect tracks the plane movment. I still have to find an aim point. But it does snap to a plane once highlited.
I have came across 2 other THC player that are 100% cheating! I dont trust that squad at all
Let me breakdown what evidence i see here and posible explainations in favor and aginst:
0:17 Very high KD - Skilled player / Cheater
1:20 No mause movement for 1min - Laziness 1 hand playing / Tinkering in the cheats
1:28 Binos at posible enemy location - Knows enemy routes / Doesnt make sense if he has X-ray
1:40 Charge at M24 - Agressive gameplay / Too agresive for such KD
1:50 Looks back - Just looking around / Snaps exactly at the only enemy tank around while no visual, Xray on
1:55+ Looks around - Just looking around / Try to comouflage the previous blatant cheat
2:30 Looks at ASU - Looking at enemy spawn not ASU / Xray on
3:07 Binos M4A2 - Maybe sound / Xray on
4:13 Looks at T34 - Looking at B / Xray on
4:32 No ranging - Skill to guess + C marker / Cheat
5:20 Charge at M4A2 - Agressive gameplay / Too agresive for such KD
5:28 Binos - Scouting / Looking for the t-34 Xray
5:35 Binos - Scouting / Looking for the t-34 Xray
5:40 Binos - Scouting / Looking for the t-34 Xray
6:08 Looking at airport - Checinkg around / Looking at AAA since the area between spawns is usualy empty, Xray
6:35 Shots at ASU - Bad luck / Missing 2 shots at 400m, lack of skill
7:49 Gets shot - Normal / The whole match has been overexposed, not using covers, not a very high level playstyle
8:18 Plane - Normal, nothing suspicious
If looking for cheats, you will find clues even of legit gameplay. But I think there are too many and obvious cases here. Moreover, the disparity between the stats and the skill shown is too big.
BTW, I just noticed this is 8 month old, thanks youtube, welp the analisis is done regardless of its usefulness.
Is there many cheeters in wt these days?
2:50 Nothing wrong in that part, aligning your aim with the enemy spawn point using the minimap as reference...
But in the rest of the video its very clear his aim snaps exactly on enemy targets.
I hate that cheating has gotten more and more prevalent in this game. I REALLY hate thinking someone's cheating, and it's often my last go to as a explanation of some deaths i've had but I swear it's like ever 2-3 games now there's someone that's really suspicious, sometimes it's kinda obvious.
hey... id been blowing the whistle for the past five years and gaijin simply said "there is no cheating in our game." i blew the whistle so hard the ball flew out of it and then the reed gave up. still nothing happened until just last year. it was so bad back then that you could run into at least five cheaters per match
how is he still not banned..? the video after him get banned...
Hans Ruddle, last i checked this account was level 11 and blatantly using esp to shoot at vehicles he couldnt possibly see or know where people were
I legit got shot through 3 buildings in Advance to the Rhine YESTERDAY. There was no way the Panzer could see me and no weird angle shots through windows.. I didnt even think hacks like that existed anymore. I've played for almost 8 years and I didnt know how to report cheaters so I came to this video. It was the most blatant cheating i've ever seen so I wonder how many accounts he's had, I guess hosting OG CoD MW2 10th prestige lobby is karma coming back to bite in War Thunder 15 years later.
You would be surprised how actual WT professional players act in game with their techniques compared to how this cheater playes. From learning key pathing points, to knowing which buildings are destructible or penetrable and so on, this David guy plays far too timidly for a 60% or a 70% let alone how his individual tank engagements act. Ive noticed cheaters are easy to detect when they play timidly or get some of the most crazy shots like you say.
I'm a long time player of ground battles and have watched countless player replays far worse than this one. The cheating has gotten so out of hand that calling out individual players is almost pointless. Gaijin and their defenders will relentlessly bully you for pointing this out.
idk some of these clips are very close to how i play, i never use the range finder yet i always land the first shot and destroy the target from someone who has played since 2014, idk must just be me
For me he is not cheating, there is not enough proof. 3:02 we can see the top of the M4 turret before it is hidden so obviously it is turning in that direction. We must not forget that there is a difference between the replay server and the client.
I've always snubbed the best SQB squadron out there, and now I see a video where THC hosts a blatant cheater.
Good thing I've dropped SQB and their squadrons; they make me cringe.
I never liked ground battles thus stuck to air battles. Always felt like I was being targeted too much. Also, it sucks that I can't play with higher graphics as while the foliage is nice, gives an overwhelmingly disadvantage to you. Air battles are different. I can be more aware.
I am starting to believe Gaijjn takes a cut from the sellers of the aimbots etc
Staring people through terrain is no doubt cheating, but shooting without ranging is not uncommon, unless I have the range finder that can rangefind under 2 to 3 seconds, I usually won't use it. And I've hit shots with in 800M somewhat consistently.