When the prophet speaks the thinking is done
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Question everything! We deserve answers!!
when the prophet speaks His thinking is done and real thinking starts.
Exactamundo! Reminds me of a great cartoon, which UA-cam won't allow me to post, but which consists of a church leader-type cartoon figure speaking, and the text is:
Of course you're allowed to ask questions!
Here is a list of approved questions.
You're absolutely free to study and investigate for yourself!
Here is a list of approved sources.
We're not trying to stifle thought!
We want you to learn everything you can as you reach the approved conclusions.
...That about sums it up. These nonagenarians cannot allow their "revelations" to ever be considered as inconsistent with God's will by the membership of the church. It's a control-obsessed patriarchy.
As Temple ordinance worker at Saratoga Springs training we have been threatened-taught “we don’t want to hear anyone’s opinions…just do what are told…” Then we were repeatedly taught (also at the Mount Timp Temple) that we need to speak at a minimum as to allow the holy ghost to teach patrons- not is to teach but allow patrons be taught by the holy ghost. The have seen OFTEN the Hand of God (aka Holy Ghost) work miracles where ordinances and sessions with difficulties normally went so smoothly and perfectly it left everyone in awe and amazement of how wonderfully the Holy Ghost directed it all- nobody speaking or coordinating and yet everyone working in unison. So shutting up and do what we are told… works if Human self absorbed omnipotent leaders shut up too and allow and grant simply everyone to be taught directly by God Himself. Everything else is exercising unrighteous dominion, not what God does, but the devil. Yes, it may sound harsh, I have witnessed the work of the devil in the temple done by omnipotent leaders who dictate obedience but deny the power of the Holy Ghost.
The "Holy Ghost" is a demon that is attached to the person at confirmation. That is why it is important to have one's records formally removed.
@3blenders. That temple is
for THE DEVIL HIMSELF what a dark place full of excrement is for mushrooms.
“we don’t want to hear anyone’s opinions…just do what are told…”?? I'm not surprised, but I am.
Pres Holland fails to account for the possibility that his Wrong Roads talk applies to the brethren collectively.
They came by their paradigm honestly, but where that’s left to a dead end they’ve dug in their heels on the dogma that led them there.
Still looking for J Holland's camel shrinker😂
@Brewster29.
Masterful.
Standard gaslighting by the leaders. Say something about speaking to/for God. Then denying it in private. Not being honest. They definitely don’t want members to think.
GROW UP. they ask their members to pray not stop thinking
Nice Job, you are correct with the quote. That quote was used HEAVILY in the 80s going into the 90s. This was also used ALOT around the Zion initiative that brought on the Building the Kingdome stuff - fortress, current SEC, boy soldiers to fill the ranks to shadow church, Law of Sacrifice, The principle of Scapegoat
We were required to memorize that quote and use it for our defense, to push the agenda back during the early 90s.
That quote was used like an executive order within wards/ stakes.
@garick. HOW HORRIBLE
that must have been for you.
And its DEEP and LASTING effects are reflected in the whole pervasive "attitude" of the church to this day.
Certainly explains many, many things.
Dang! I even heard this a lot growing up!
The main Theme of Both the OT and NT is Obey GodsCommandments and Live..if you Disobey..your sins will do you in. Simply Obey Gods Commandments 😊❤
I used to look at these men with admiration and awe, now all I see are people trying to keep an organization afloat through image. I grew up and the magic was gone.
Then you haven’t ‘looked’ at them.
Look at them, their fruit, their spirit , and compare to others and see who carries the spirit of God.
Anyone can discern when looking for truth.
Same for me. It's like believing in Santa. @Bret3039 would probably say we just didn't believe in Santa hard enough. Just look at how much joy he has brought to the children. Don't think about how he gave kids of poor families little things and kids of rich families big things. Don't think about all the inconsistencies. Just believe harder.
@@bret3039 Sarah is spot on. Perhaps you should take your own advice and really look at them.
I guess we’ll see who’s really looking.
@@bret3039 I've known people who are good, honest and true.. sorry but it's not these guys.
A certain Instagram/TikTok LDS apologist is going to have a problem with that
this girl deletes LDS comments.
@@michaelparks5669
GOOD.
They are idiots sucking up to idiots.
@@michaelparks5669 This is hilarious. I don't actually delete comments. This is the first time I've checked UA-cam comments in months.
Today’s Mormons, either cannot or deny the controversial and/or ungodly quotes from past prophets.
You illustrate a great point: church leaders have often taught their doctrine, then amended it to the public, but don’t change it to the members. As if the members are living a “higher” law. It was the same with polygamy.
Claims, claims, claims…that’s the bottom line of the Mormon church and all these claims of so-called revelation is what Mormons believe their “prophets” receive. As Elaine Cannon used to say, “When the prophet speaks, the debate is over”.
Claims are the bottom line of all religions. I want a hear of a religion that can justify it's claims based in reality for once
THEN ITS A CULT !!
They can't say it any clearer, or so I misunderstanding them now?????
Im a Unitarian universalist
That's awesome!
Yeah, no doubt. George Albert Smith was being disingenuous. A denial: "Nooo, Nooo Nooo Nooo Nooo of course not. Of course that isn't the Church's position." But of course it IS the Church's position -- as certified by the fact that it never issued a retraction and correction.
1945 😂 thats a hard sell.
Write more when have time
When you seek answers from the Book of Mormon instead of the Bible, God can't help you because you have turned your back on Him. Therefore this leaves the door open for Satan (II Corinthians 11:14-15) to step into your life with a false christ or prophet showing you signs and wonders to lead you away from the real Jesus of the Bible who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity and the Eternal Creator God. God Himself warns us about this in: MATTHEW 24: 23-24
"Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There! do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect..."
Mormons teach and believe that their jesus is the brother of Satan, which contradicts what God says in His Bible that Jesus is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity and the Eternal Creator God. So Mormons, which Jesus do you believe in?
A. Your jesus of the Book of Mormon, who is the brother of Satan.
OR
B. The Jesus of the Bible, who is God the Son 2nd person of the Trinity and the Eternal Creator God.
The trinity isn’t biblical. So that’s a problem a majority of Christians need to grapple with.
Mormons believe Christ and Satan Are children of God and that You are too. Thus making you a brother to satan as well as Christ. It should be recalled that satan was not evil from the beginning. He Choose that path just like we can. Mormons also believe Christ is the creator, and our savior and redeemer.
Brushing aside earlier and later teachings about the use of Individual agency and reasoning in seeking the will of God via his prophets , and asserting that this editorial mistake is the position of the church is quite disingenuous.
Have you seen the face to face with Elder Holland and Elder Eyring? They said personal revelation must always reflect what the prophets have taught and Elder Bednar has even said once you get baptized "you don't have agency anymore." The same thing was said of men and missions, they have no choice but to go.
@@analyzingmormonism The words those apostles were using in that discourse were things like "consistent" and "fit" Which is a very different connotation than reflect. Additionally, logically if God does exist and is sending us messages, it would follow that their is a congruent pattern between the messages. you would expect things to match up with what has been given previously. you would be suspicious if the pattern was suddenly breached. Incidentally, this is how forgeries are spotted.
@@analyzingmormonism With regards to Elder Bednar's address, you are fixating on the specific words and not what he meant by them. If you were to choose to enter into a contract with someone to voluntarily do certain things. You don't have the option to break the terms of the contract and still retain the benefits of that contract. The option to break or end the contract is always there, but if you want the benefits you must abide by the terms of the contract. Thus, the scope of your agency changes. Certain actions are unavailable if you want to keep the contract. That's all elder Bednar is saying.
@@lincolnstewart1725 like the teaching that Adam is God? Like the teaching that black people were cursed? That men lived on the moon and that missionaries would teach them the gospel? Like Jesus and Adam were polygamist? Those types of inconsistencies?
@@analyzingmormonism whether they are inconsistencies or not depends largely on the question of how we know a message is from God or not. If you take the position that everything that leaves the lips of a church leader is such a message then I can see it as a fatal inconsistency. However, if there is nuance to how we know when a message is authentically from above, then those things could be inconsistent but not because god is inconsistent, or nonexistent, but because we are mistaken. misinterpreting/ignoring prior/current messages. It could be just human reasoning or opinion.
That’s NOT an official church letter and has never been taught by the church, in fact, just the opposite, we’re taught as members to listen, then decide if the teachings align with the teachings of Christ, and pray about it, to know if it’s true. You really need to stop lying and being dishonest to people.
Ok let's be honest then. I will give you honest answers and I want your honest answer.
What rational justification can you provide so that anyone can conclude that some agent DECIDED to create our reality? Otherwise, without rational justification then, by definition, such beliefs are irrational...
But you don’t need to pray, just accept what the prophet says, because if you don’t get the same answer as the brethren you will still be wrong.
I joined in 1969, and it was a common statement used to keep the members in line.
@@Akira-jd2zrwhat rational justification can you provide so that anyone can conclude that some agent didn’t decide to create our reality?
@@alexgrover1456your missing a few steps there. You first need to get the knowledge from God that they are indeed acting as his prophets.