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How to Turn the Wouxun KG-1000G Into a GMRS Repeater
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- Опубліковано 16 сер 2024
- This tutorial shows how you can make your own GMRS repeater with two Wouxun KG-1000G 50 watt mobile GMRS radios in just a few simple steps. The Wouxun KG-1000G is available exclusively from Buy Two Way Radios. www.buytwowayr... .
List of components for the repeater:
Power Supply(20W or higher recommended) www.buytwowayr...
2x Wouxun KG-1000G Mobile Radio www.buytwowayr...
2x GMRS Mobile Antennas* www.buytwowayr...
or 2x GMRS Base Station Antennas* www.buytwowayr...
2x Antennas Mounts* www.buytwowayr...
One UHF Mobile Duplexer (optional) www.buytwowayr...
Antenna/Duplexer Cables www.buytwowayr...
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This radio keeps getting better and better the more I learn about it.
do a video showing all the details...
We do have an introductory video that lists all the features of the KG-1000G. ua-cam.com/video/OidjAwDn_Js/v-deo.html
Since there is no use of a duplexer. How much watts should be this repeater system? I am new in gmrs world
@@carlojoel2010 if not using a duplexer, you would get the full 50W of output when transmitting.
How far away should the antennas be if your don’t use a duplexer
One of the most to the point, no fluff explanations of any topic on UA-cam. Kudos
This is a great explanation on how these radios can work as a repeater. Nicely done.
Thanks for going out on a limb and bringing this radio. Answers every need I have in a radio set up. Emergency repeater, low cost repeater, can be portable, max power for punching threw obsticals, name brand.
We're just happy and relieved that the feedback has been so positive thus far.
Amazing gob and very well explained , this is what i call a quality video , thank you!!
What a great radio, and I'm so glad I bought one.
I’m new to all this gmrs. But I just placed my order and can’t wait to learn more on this. Would like to see more videos on this product from installation and antennas used.
Thanks! We'll certainly consider the suggestion!
Check out @NotaRubicon Productions here on UA-cam. He has two great videos on it
@@Dukelax510 ....but don't make any stupid comments!
Well done video. Considering getting the two radios for repeater set up. Thanks.
You're welcome. Thanks for watching!
This is good know that 2
radios will be able run as repeater unlike others on market. .
But You need a Duplexer for uhf .
2 antennas on a tower 14 leangth
apart is hard to put up.
FCC requirements CW repeaterstation ID every 15 minutes if un-manned station.
Wouxun should put CW ID in the radio.
Yes you can voice ID as callsign.
but can't leave by on 24/7 .
If mic on TX radio keys up while iin repeater mode you can put a cw ID
Like ID o matic on mic input RJ-45 .
Over all technology is getting better .
The Mobil is ultimate GMRS Mobil today.
Great video .
Just a thought: Having one of these very expensive units just to receive is a bit of luxury and renders the repeater idea a very expensive adventure. There are simple HT options using inexpensive duplexers for the same purpose, and if you hook up the TX handheld to an amplifier, then you can have the same powerful solution for fraction of the price. Another issue I see is the lack of a built-in controller for Station Identification. For that, you will need an external controller of some sort to be built that is compatible with this mobile system, for an additional cost that makes it even more expensive. I'm just surprised they haven't built in any sort of Station-ID solutions, when they have specifically created this mobile radio for Repeater operation. Could have been done with a software solution in the menu to identify the station in the required 10 minute intervals, so the repeater could be used legally by external operators as well. So yeah, there are a lot of things to think about before someone jumps into buying 2 of these rather expensive radios for a home based GMRS repeater system. However, on the positive side, GMRS users can enjoy yet another brand that offers a powerful radio on their favorite radio service band with the repeater option that the competition doesn't have.
The reason Wouxun did not build a controller for auto station ID was because although you can make two of these radios into a repeater, it is certainly not its primary function. It's intended as a mobile/base GMRS radio. The repeater functionality is just one fun and handy capability that puts it in another tier from other GMRS mobiles. It is NOT its primary function.
The video is simply a tuturial to show how to make it into a repeater. And, yes, with a controller and a duplexer it can function as a permanent repeater.
However, the intent of the feature is so it can be used as a either a private or emergency mobile or base repeater. Also, this is not creating a ham radio repeater, it's a GMRS repeater, and the rules are different. First, the station ID is not required after every 10 minutes, as with an amateur repeater, but every 15 minutes. Also, as a private repeater used only by the operators of a single GMRS license, a station ID for the repeater itself is not required, as the GMRS license is assigned to that repeater by the GMRS licensed owner, and each station operator operating under that same GMRS license will be providing the ID as they use it. The auto station ID is only needed for repeaters that operate publicly or used by multiple different GMRS licensees.
As a side note, we are well aware of the demand for a compatible station ID controller and interface for the KG-1000G and have been working with Wouxun on such a solution in the future. Stay tuned for further developments. We appreciate the comments and feedback!
You should follow up with - how to order a gmrs duplexor. There are several questions not answered on the web site such as:
- is the duplexor wide enough for the whole GMRS band, or do I need to pick a specific repeater channel?
- where do you specify the frequency on the duplexor order page?
- which duplexor is recommended for GMRS repeater operation using just 1 antenna.
Thank you for this video, and especially for the repeater functionality in this transceiver. I know of no other GMRS unit capable of being a self contained repeater that is part 95 qualified, and therefore legal.
Other stand alone GMRS repeaters I’ve seen, appear not to be part 95 qualified, and therefore not legal, even though they may be a good units.
We don't have a perfect option for GMRS right now, our duplexers are more geared towards LMR (business) customers and the best GMRS option would be to get a 450-470 MHz business duplexer and have it tuned for your repeater frequency. Check back with us in a couple of weeks though and we might have a better option ;)
Even as a ham ..I honestly wouldn't sweat it ..fcc only enforces interferance complaints ..with several notices to fix ..
And can't tell unless your gonna announce it all the time ...
But I respect you being deligent with the law - makes me feel dirty lol 73
Awesome video. Thanks for sharing.
I use two kg-uv920p radios, but I found that the audio gets rather dull (I am using a well tuned duplexer)
My work around is a full blown SVXlink repeater controller, but the radios do not support flat audio (to get CTCSS in to SVXlink)
Would love to see a product that you can use to build a repeater with an external controller
What is the optimal distance between the two antennas? Very good video. Thank you.
Does it have a CWID feature?
If you are using it like this with alot of traffic you need to think about cooling options also.
Still cheaper to buy a 40 watt GR1225 from the surplus market. that is an all in one tabletop repeater with CWID and usually have duplexer installed.
Nice and very informative. Just subscribed to your channel .
Thanks!
My 50W Wouxun outputs only around 25W at the GMRS frequency. A duplexer can rob almost 50% of your output power. So my issue with using the Wouxun hardware for a duplexer is that I might get 15W when I would prefer to radiate 50W.
Does anybody know how to wire in an IDOM4 for this set up? I have everything ready to go but have no idea where to land the wires. I also have a duplexer that I have to tune for the Freqs....
great info thank you
Thanks for watching!
Great info. When two radios are connected as a repeater, is it still possible to operate the system with the hand microphone, or do you need a 3rd radio to communicate?
Yes. There is an option in the menu to enable you to transmit using the PTT on the hand microphone while the radios are in repeater mode. It is disabled by default.
good video. thanks
Thanks! We appreciate the feedback!
Hi Rick...I am a newbie to GMRS radios and was disappointed to learn that the One City Minnesota area has -0- repeaters..I may do one that you are talking about.quedtion..does this repeater need to be registered or licensed by the FCC..?..,and could you give more info in spacing the Antennas and another video about setting up the outside antenna and cabling..thanks your clear and concise video was spot on and informative
Hi Lawrence, thanks for your question! We have an article on our blog about GMRS repeater guidelines, hopefully this will provide some insight: www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2022/01/do-gmrs-repeaters-need-to-transmit-a-call-sign.html#:~:text=In%20simple%20terms%2C%20the%20repeater,identified%20by%20that%20family%20license.
For your other questions, we also have guides about antenna hardware such as connectors and which ones you will need: www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2014/01/two_way_radio_antenna_connector_chart.html
Here is Episode 165 of our podcast, The Two Way Radio Show, about which antenna cabling is best in different situations: www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2022/03/twrs-165-how-to-choose-an-antenna-cable-for-your-radio.html
Our blog is home to many resources for jumping into GMRS, Ham, or any other kind of two way radio-centered hobby. There is plenty more material that you may find useful!
I just set up two Wouxun radios and have tested this repeater options, it’s pretty cool.
I have two questions though. Is there a way to boost the audio on the system? The audio level is very quiet and I have to turn the volume up to hear communications compared other local channels.
Two, any progress on an IDOMATIC type system?
We haven't heard of any issues with low audio. However, such an issue can be caused by desensing if you are using two antennas and they are not spaced far enough apart. Also, check the bandwidth settings on your radios in the repeater configuration. If one is set for narrowband and the other for wideband, that could affect the audio level.
As for the IDOMATIC system, we are still working on developing a setup specifically for the KG-1000G.
I have a Wouxun KG-1000g Plus and it seems the menu selection is different now than your video. Hitting 6 on the microphone to go into the VFO mode doesn't work? Is there an update to the video or written instructions? Thank you
Pine City Minnesota
Do you have a complete package option ? Radios, power supply, duplexer, controller, antenna, co-ax, and all bundled into one sales option?
We do not have a repeater package available at this time.
have you gotten a package together yet? I didn't see one, but maybe I've missed it. I'd very much like to invest in something better suited to more frequent use with more power than my Retevis 97s@@BuyTwoWayRadios
Awesome👍
Holy smokes those are pricey! Guess the Midland is my best option?
What about duty cycle and heat?
Cool stuff take care 73 de ve3hip in Welland Ontario Canada 🇨🇦
As I understand each radio requires its own antenna, What recommended antenna for good receive and transmit and how far apart will they need to be? height will be 20 to 30 ft
I like my repeater, but I can only hit my repeater from a 12-14 mile radius. I’m using a XLT DUPLEXER, and antenna 45 feet up.
So without a duplexer you would need two antennas. Is that correct? If a dupler is needed which one do you recommend? Do you have a duplexer the same size as the radio? I was thinking of stacking these in an weather proof box or ammo can, along with power supply, external antenna mount.
A mobile duplexer is roughly the same footprint as a KG-1000G and maybe just over half the height. A duplexer allows you to operate with a single antenna and avoid the potential issues that can happen with multiple antennas near one another. Here is our duplexer page if you're interested in what we have available: www.buytwowayradios.com/accessories/duplexers.html
After knowing what I know now, I never would have bought these with the intentions of making a repeater.
Would my nearby communiy be able to find and/or use my Repeater?? Or how can people find my repeater ?
Most likely you would need to add your repeater to a directory, such as the one at mygmrs.com, in order to be found.
How do you manually enter the frequency?? It doesn’t seem to working for me
In the repeater configuration (2 radios) does the transmitter send your FCC call sign to meet the FCC ID requirement for repeaters?
No, it doesn't have the ability to send your callsign. We want to develop, or work with a repeater controller company, to come up with an interface cable to easily connect the KG-1000G to a readily available controller to handle the ID and other cool repeater functions. We're still in the early stages there so give us a couple of months and see what we can come up with. The good news is that if you're only using the repeater just for individuals covered by your callsign there is no ID requirement. Also, the ID can be made manually if necessary.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios Thanks for your answer. An external repeater controller is recommended unless the repeater has a control operator who can turn it off if the system locks up in transmit mode.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios would be awesome if Wouxon would add this via a firmware update. 10 min CW ID would be great for ham repeaters (if these radios even operate in that band). Anyway Its great to FINALLY see type certified radios actually in existence now.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios I believe personal or public any GMRS user must Id at the beginning, at the end and every 10 minutes no matter what
GMRS rules require the operator to ID at the end of a single transmission and 15 minutes after a series of transmissions and every 15 minutes on a series of transmissions lasting longer than 15 minutes.
How about duty cycle?? How long will the transmit radio last on 50w during heavy use?
I just recently asked Wouxun about this in response to a different inquiry and they said the radio is designed to hold up to heavy TX. They recommended that in a heavy TX situation, like a public repeater, they do suggest using the feature that automatically activates the fan based on the temperature (menu 37, and this is already the default). They also suggest using the TOT and TOA menu settings (menu options 11 and 12) to limit the maximum time for a single TX to at most 60 minutes.
Is there repeater identification as required and do they offer remote control.
What about Identifying? I’d assume the radio doesn’t have an inbuilt ID function. Would you be able to plug something like an ID-O-Matic into the mic port on the TX radio OR insert something like a raspberry pi based repeater controller like OpenRepeater using custom RJ-45 cabling? Is there a full pinout for that port?
It's on our agenda to come up with a solution for this. We may develop a cable that makes it easy to connect to a popular controller, or send sample radios to someone like RadioDan so that ID-O-Matic can have an interface readily available when purchased through his site. I'm not sure which direction we will end up going, but I'd guess we're a couple of months away from having an option. Keep in mind that a repeater ID function is only necessary if people other than those covered by your license are using the repeater.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios good to know. Yes I’m aware personally of the ID requirements and was inferring to a more public setup...but never hurts to mention for others benefit. Keep up the good work.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios OK sounds like you understand that a repeater controller should be used to meet the Time Out Timer (TOT) and ID requirement for an automatic system. When will you have one available?
@@peterliljequist160 A TOT is built-in to the radio, but yes we definitely understand that the KG-1000G will be a much better repeater if an interface to a controller is readily available. There are several controller options out there, do you happen to have a favorite? At this point one thing we want to figure out is which product we should try to interface with.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios iD-O-Matic seems to be the most common. Are there any plans to support the GMRS linked network?
How far apart do the two radios have to be. Do the cables included cover that space?
I ordered one from you guys today. Will get two more later to set up a repeater here in Warner Robins Georgia
The included cable is around 15 feet long, but keep in mind it's not the radios that require separation - it's the antennas (assuming you're not using a duplexer). In our setup we space the antennas around 12 feet apart and that is enough for our testing to work well. Usually your antenna cable will provide enough length to allow you to get this much separation even if the radios are right beside one another.
I believe its 15' minimum if side by side and 30' in height with the recieve antenna at the top.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios if you're using a duplexer?
I'm new to this and learning, thanks for the info
@@Lord_Stinkfoot If you are using a duplexer, you only need one antenna.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios okay, I just want to know if I use a duplexer, can I put the radios closer together
Any idea when these will be back in stock?
We have an estimated ship date of Friday, 1/29/2021.
can this be used for occasional business use?
The KG-1000G and the KG-1000G Plus are only permitted to transmit on GMRS bands. Furthermore, they require a GMRS license to operate, which is unrelated to business frequencies. However, we do carry plenty of business radios that fit any company's needs (many of which are Wouxun as well): www.buytwowayradios.com/wouxun-business-radios.html
Can you explain how you hooked two radios to the same power source?
To connect two radios to the same power supply, attach the leads to the power cables of each radio to the posts of the positive and negative terminals on the back of the power supply. You can use U terminals or ring connectors to stack them on the posts.
Can I only used 1 radio door repeater mode?
Two KG-1000G's are required to utilize the repeater functionality
Just purchased a kg1000g from your website. What antenna do you recommend to install it on a Jeep? Thank you.
We have several mobile antennas that work well with the KG-1000G. You can find them by clicking on the Accessories tab on the KG-1000G product page. www.buytwowayradios.com/wouxun-kg-1000g.html
really wish you would do a video using the kg-1000g plus as the menu setting are totally different.
Can this be used as a mobile unit or or you assembling this to be a stationary repeater??? I have an RV I'd like to take the set up along with. Thanx!
It can be configured as either a base or mobile repeater. The video simply shows how to configure the units together, it isn't intended to limit it to operation as a base repeater.
Does Buy Two Way Radio offer a Station ID module for the KG1000 plus or is it built in?
Hope you haven’t bought those radios for a repeater, they are an outstanding radio to throw in your car or a small farm in repeater mode. But they desensitized the receiver so much when it’s in repeater mode,
No one can hit it unless they are within 10 miles or so.
BTWR don’t mention that. There are other options you will get better results from.
Question if I use these radios for a permanent repeater station do these radios have a automatic station ID built into it. I Believe by FCC regulations you have to ID once every 10 minutes. Would be nice if there is a feature built into the radio to do this for me is that an option thank you very much.
There is no built-in function for Station ID. However, if your repeater is intended for use as a private or closed repeater system, you are not required to transmit a Station ID every 10 minutes. There are still specific rules regarding identification, though. We have a blog post about repeater ID guidelines on our blog, you can find a more detailed explanation there:
www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2022/01/do-gmrs-repeaters-need-to-transmit-a-call-sign.html
Is there a way to change the screen color on the 1000G - I did not see anything in the Manual.
The screen color cannot be changed. However, the LED colors can be customized for standby, transmit and receive.
Great idea. How well will it hold up under continuous use. Some of those radios wont hold up under that type of use. I know a lot of gmrs operators will key down for 2 minutes at a time and have a long conversation.
Wouxun tells us that continuous use should not be a problem. They have been selling a similar commercial radio in a rack-mount repeater configuration for quite a while, so they consider the durability in this setup to be well proven.
@@buytwowayradios9913 Continuous power on is not a problem. Continuous transmitter on, at the high power setting, like in a high use repeater, is not recommended. This is a mobile radio. With a duty cycle rating of a mobile application. 5-5-90 duty cycle, which means 5% of the time transmit, 5% receive, and 90% standby (squelched receiver).
Commercial repeaters are rated at 100% transmitter power output. They are designed that way and that is why they cost more and have large heat sinks and fans to handle the heat from the transmitter. Recommend the user sets the mobile transmitter radio at low or medium power setting (add a fan over the heat sinks). I have built repeaters using mobile radios (with a fan) for events and this works keeping them under 25 watts transmitter power. System running on battery power in remote locations. Never full power since the duty cycle is greater than 5%.
@@peterliljequist160 Hi Peter. Yes I understand continuous transmit is the concern, not continuous power. I raised this exact question with Wouxun and they were confident in saying that the high transmit rate of repeater use shouldn't be an issue. They point out that they have been selling a commercial repeater for years, the KG-DR1000 (www.wouxun.com/radios/two_way_radio_KG-DR1000.aspx), that is also two very similar linked mobile radios and reliability has not been a problem. I haven't used the KG-1000G as a repeater under high use, but once we have a controller interface developed we plan to install a pair as a local GMRS repeater and we will then report our direct experience with how they hold up.
@@buytwowayradios9913 I have not been able to find any published duty cycle specifications from Wouxun mobile type repeaters. The mobile radio will have both VSWR and thermal protection that reduces the RF power to protect the RF power module from damage. Yes it will still transmit, just with a lower RF power output. Many manufactures offer "desktop repeaters" using mobile radios. If you read the specs. you will discover they are not rated at 100% duty cycle, unless you run them at less than half power to keep from over heating. Most are less than 50% duty cycle at full power.
No problem using mobiles as long as you use them correctly within their published specifications. There is a reason why desktop type repeaters are not allowed to be installed at commercial repeater sites. Their receivers are not designed to withstand very high levels of RF exposure that you encounter at repeater sites. They may cause interference to other repeater users because of mixing signals, due to poor rejection of other signals. I have two older Wouxun portable radios and they are still operating. One part 97 (ham) and one part 90 type approved for commercial service. Wouxn knows how to build commercial radios.
@@peterliljequist160 Even some commercially produced repeaters use mobile radios. Case in point: The Yaesu Fusion DR-1X, dual band VHF/UHF amateur radio repeater is made from two FTM-400XDR mobile units. Of course, they added extra cabling, an interface, and a rack mount with fans. But it *is* made with mobile radios. If done right, i.e. lots of cooling, mobile radios work fine in a repeater situation. I personally prefer to run the radios at reduced output and add a power amplifier (PA). The radio lasts longer, and if the PA dies, it is easily replaced. I'd rather "burn out" a PA than the radios. ;)
What do you use the repeater for if you’re out in the boondocks new to this
A repeater can come in handy on family farms, ranches and remote expanses of personal properties where communications are limited and direct radio-to-radio range may not be sufficient to cover the entire area.
What kind of Range are we talking about with a repeater like this
with a 1486 tram antenna 20' ft
That will also depend on the surrounding terrain and the antenna heights of the radios accessing the repeater. There are a number of rf calculators available online to help figure out line of site and distance to the horizon. In short, your mileage will vary based on all those factors. However, it's a 50 watt mobile radio, so the average range is going to be what you would typically expect from a mobile/base radio attached to a decent antenna. Keep in mind that this isn't intended as a 24/7 dedicated repeater system, but is a handy feature for using a pair of KG-1000G mobile radios periodically as a temporary or emergency repeater system.
I get 26 miles usable at 40W using Comet CA-712EFC antenna 10ft off ground, over a slight ridge and a 800ft hill to a repeater. My antenna has approx 9dBi gain.
Hello. I am very new to the radio communications hobby and find this video very helpful and informative. One question comes up: wouldn't it be more cost effective to purchase something like the Midland MXR10 GMRS Repeater. I recently watch a video from Notarubicon and it was about the Midland. Thanks.
Hi, thanks for your question! It really comes down to preference when considering different brands and what they offer within certain cost brackets. We cannot speak on the MXR10 as we do not offer it on our site, but the KG-1000G is a very popular unit that many may already have on hand, and the cost of purchasing a second one to use for repeater purposes can actually be more affordable than buying a whole new repeater set as you suggested.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios Thankyou for the reply
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What kind of antenna can you use as a base station for this??
A UHF antenna that is tuned for GMRS frequencies in UHF band such as the Tram 1486 or Nagoya NL-770G should work with the KG-1000G. The Nagoya is a GMRS antenna. The 1486 can be tuned specifically to the GMRS frequencies with a bit of customization and even includes a cutting chart for easier calculation. www.buytwowayradios.com/tram-1486.html
You can build your own antenna if your a do-it-yourself kind of person. A simple one is the 1/4 wave ground plane antenna. It's not a high gain antenna, but it is very inexpensive to build. I made one with about $5 of parts, excluding coax (actually less because I used some spare parts on hand). The coax cable is often the most expensive part of many antenna systems. If you really feel ambitious, you can research antennas and build other antennas that improve performance, i.e. a 5/8 wave (which is about 1.5x better than the ground plane). Even more ambitious would be a colinear antenna. A bit of research and building skills are needed, but the gain is impressive. The more you put into the antenna, the better your system will be! Of course, if you lack the time/skills or just want a commercial version, buy one. They're under $100 (July 2021) and will be more than adequate for most situations.
450-470 MHz 3.8/5dB Exposed Dipole Omni Antenna@@BuyTwoWayRadios
I love this idea, but there is one legal hurdle. You need an IDer. I wish they would build one into these.
As mentioned in previous comments, an IDer is not required on a private GMRS repeater where all the operators are part of the same GMRS license holder, as each operator is required to ID their individual stations on the repeater. We are working on an option to interface an existing controller with the radios for auto ID when using the KG-1000G as a public repeater.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios Please keep us informed of this progress. I am very interested in an interface for the ID-O-MATIC.
So.if i use a duplexer, i only need 1 antenna?
Correct.
Does it have a simplex repeater function
Since one cannot transmit and receive on the same frequency simultaneously, there would need to be a controlling device in place between the two units that would record the incoming message from the receiving unit and send it to the transmit unit to retransmit it on a delay. Such a feature is not inherently built into the KG-1000G.
Is a Controller required for Station ID?
For private GMRS repeaters, an auto-ID isn't needed, but they are required for publicly accessible ones. Regarding the private repeaters, during transmissions the operator must identify the callsign of their GMRS license every 15 minutes. We have a handy article on our website that lays down more of the rules in detail:
www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2022/01/do-gmrs-repeaters-need-to-transmit-a-call-sign.html#:~:text=In%20simple%20terms%2C%20the%20repeater,identified%20by%20that%20family%20license.
You say it's illegal gmrs repeater how do you get it to tone identify. Is there some way to hook up or to get it to tone identify every 15 minutes or at the end of a usage transmission as required by the FCC.
Identification isn't required if the repeater is only being used by a family group covered by the same callsign. We are working on an interface that would connect the KG-1000G to devices such as the ID-O-Matic for public use and hope to have it available soon.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios okay that sounds better. In your first video you stated it was a legal GMRS repeater which according to part 95 it is not, any repeater that sends signal out over the air must have an ID. Okay please let me know when it is available I want to set the two I bought from you up as a gmrs repeater
What we meant by legal was that the radio is FCC type accepted for use on Part 95, which most other repeaters are not. Again, according to the rules, No ID is required when it is used as a private repeater by family members under the same GMRS license. It can also be used as a temporary or emergency repeater by manually transmitting the ID as needed, so technically it is still legal when used under those conditions. As a permanent repeater, an automated ID would be required, but we are working on that.
What would a scenario be like to want to create a repeater with two $300 mobile units? What would be the range? Why would I use one?
The scenario that we had in mind initially was offroad/camping/outdoor excursions where you have a couple of vehicles, both with KG-1000G's. If you were parked in a high location you could link the two from one vehicle to another and get great coverage for your group. Apparently we were too limited in our thinking because since we released the radio we've heard from lots of people who love this feature and even plan to use the KG-1000G as an everyday GMRS repeater.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios a great idea. What is the range?
@@BuyTwoWayRadios if two vehicles how would that work since it needs a physical link between?
@@puhiava Like with all radios, the range is very dependent on your environment/terrain. If you have a repeater set up at the top of a hill or mountain, a 30-50 mile radius is very much possible. If you're in an urban area with lots of obstructions it may be closer to a mile or to. The goal should be to get the antenna as high as possible and away from obstructions.
@@puhiava The included cable is 15 feet long, so in a lot of cases that is going to be enough. If we get requests for longer cables we will start carrying them. If you're handy you can even make a longer cable yourself - it uses RJ45 connectors and a CAT5 cable just like an ethernet connection and the pinouts are in the manual.
What price of licence free/house hold walkie talkie who range 3 kilometers for pakistan?
And courier charges?
We are based in the US, and radios that are considered license free here may not be license free or even legal in your country. You may need to contact a local dealer in Pakistan for radios that are allowed for use in your area.
Believe me from experience trying to build this repeater You're way better off buying a good commercial repeater and it made in America duplexer
Will it self identify so it's legal as a repeater?
It does not inherently have the capability to self identify, however we would like to create an interface at some point that would connect the KG-1000G to existing devices that generate an ID for that purpose. As far as legal use is concerned, if the repeater is only being used by a family group covered by the same callsign, identification isn't required. For public use, identification is required every 15 minutes and this can be done manually, so the KG-1000G would work fine as a public repeater in temporary setups where the owner is actively using it.
@@BuyTwoWayRadios ok that would be great if you could make something to make it self identify. I'm thinking of building a repeater for our emergency neighborhood fire group, so it would not be public but would be used by more than one family. I've already found a great location and built a little parrot style system to test the whole area. I'm pretty much just down to finding a suitable repeater. Hopefully something less expensive than a turn key repeater.
WHY use two $300 radios for this? Couldn't you use a HT to recieve and the 50 watt mobile to transmit??
The radio is designed to interface both physically and internally with another KG-1000G to perform the functions of a repeater. As shown in the video, the receive and transmit units must be set to a menu option specifically intended to link the radios together. A typical ht does not have this capability.
One of the radios is massively 'over built' because it doesn't need to transmit at all. You really just need a radio monitor and a repeater. Why not make a less expensive monitor that communications with a KG-1000G?
Not for $319.99 each (x2= $639.98) plus shipping, plus duplexer, plus power supply, plus, plus plus..... for a cheap china radio... and those would only be good if installed at your house but don't plan on putting one in/at a tower site as the receiver will go to hatties....
Seems kind of wasteful to buy and use two 50 Watt units for this , as the receiver does not transmit.... You should use a cheaper low wattage receiver,.. and save a bunch of money ...
GMRS repeaters must ID every 15 minutes and after every transmission for users other than family members. This radio has no functionality to transmit an intervaled ID which would be illegal as a general purpose repeater.
true but no one really cares about the laws these days anyway, i know probably 2 dozen people using ham radios and talking on repeaters and have not had a license ever. they been doing it for 15 years or more. the mentality is, build it and use it, and thats what they do
BULLSHIT! You CAN NOT do this WITH OUT a BAND REJECT DUPLEXER.
Did you watch the whole video where a duplexer is shown near the end? Yeah.......
How many miles does it get or reach
Although some manufacturers of consumer radios advertise a specific range in a set number of miles on their products, we make no claims to specific range limits on this or any other radio we sell. This is because range is going to depend on where, how and under what circumstances the radio is used. You may reach across the visible horizon on a mountaintop with clear line of site in good weather. You may not get far at all if you are transmitting between a forest of skyscrapers or at the bottom of a ravine in the middle of an electrical storm. There is no absolute for range. The article in the following link explains the factors to consider in calculating radio range. It was written for handheld radios, but the same principles apply to any radio transceiver, including mobiles such as the KG-1000G. www.buytwowayradios.com/blog/2016/12/gmrs_radio_range_chart.html
BULLSHIT! to you @Samson Osburn we have had our 70cm ham repater running on a mobile flat pack duplexer for over half a decade.......we even used LMR400 until we got heliax......OH THE HORROR!. Have even used Jpoles as the repeater antenna without ripping a hole in the space-time continuum. Eventually we bought a pass cavity on Ebay to add to our receive side which helped alot but was not required......This is not VHF, with a 5MHz spread you can get away with alot of sins.