"Easy to learn, hard to master." This should be the approach in the next DOA installment. Make the game player-friendly fun for newcomers, but also have mechanics in place that reward time, effort, and knowledge.
i agree on how they dumbed down DOA6's combat system so that almost anyone can learn it, in DOA5 you actually had to LEARN the game from multiple ways with things like Frame Data, Safe/Unsafe moves and combo challenges. These ones were harder to do than 6's ones because you actually had to time when you execute the move and how to transition from one move to another. DOA6 made some additions that take away from the fun of actually making use of the hard skills you picked up in training because of a break hold that you can just spam and counter strikes almost every time and the sidestep which isn't even OP, its just annoying, like anyone can just mash the sidestep and pray that they will hit and if/when they do they interrupt your strings and take YOUR fun out of playing the game. Truth is, They just made DOA6 too easy to pick up and too hard to play against random people who just mash these buttons and do barely anything else
@@frozzytango9927 DOA5LR is the result of Tecmo Koei years of putting DLC in the game. Sadly DOA6 doesn't have much DLC characters (Most of them were already in DOA5LR, makes it pointless to buy them.)
The only things I like in DoA 6 is NiCO and one new costume for Marie Rose. 5 is so much fun, the game feel is awesome, the cast is big and its full of fun stages and costumes
It makes perfect sense that veteran players would be upset when a new entry gets simplified: we've seen it hundreds of times with many franchises. The advantage that DOA has in this regard is that they release multiple titles, itsn ot an MMO or live service game per say. Because of that, they can learn and make grand improvements with the next release.
This is what’s happening to so many different fighting game series. They try so hard to get more people to play it, and in turn they dumb it down so little Timmy down the street can beat Daigo.
Telken 7 with hyper armor and meter just kills it for me. Stopped playing 2 years after launch once more meter characters came or niggas like noctus punishing full screen
I think everyone does. Cheaper, had more costumes, more characters, story was crappy but not as much as six, combo mechanics were good and it wasn't easy to win with a spam... the list goes on
I like doa5lr better mainly due to the character selection. Doa6 it's like it's mainly women and I know that's doa but to have dlc characters same as in doa5 in 6 ..lazy no tag. Doa6 just didn't feel complete
Honestly, I do miss the cliffhangers from DOA5, it was An awesome addition to the series. I’m sorry that DOA museum stage is the laziest recycled concept ever. The DLC that should have been included for me (as a Kasumi main) was the Dimensions costumes as well as the DOA4 pink too with scarf and jean skirt costume that is iconic
Late to this one, but I've always loved DOA5U/LR over 6, and it is certainly my favourite fighting game. Simply put I just forced myself to play, like and purchase my favourite character (Momiji) in 6. While I just play for entertainment, specifically I favour 5 over 6 for multiple reasons. Many concerned will minor details and quality of life type of things: - There is a less jarring 'safety net' meter system in DO5 and the game runs well and overall feels better to play. I actually hate 6's system in form and function. - CPU AI behaviour, I really felt as if I was learning the nuances in across the 8 different difficulties you could set the CPU to. In 6 the AI just meter counter spams. - Superior character roster and stage catalogue in 5 - Cliffhangers are present in a few stages - Tag Team Battles - Visually the presentation in terms of shading and lighting is more pleasing to me in 5. Certain character models look rough in 6, take Kokoro for example. - Uncensored jiggle physics and the ability to customize that at your discretion. I like breasts. - Reflections on necessary surfaces/terrain. - Cutscenes available in the theatre as you play the game. - Mobility after a KO. - Better unlock progression for costumes and the ability to choose different details for some models. - Smoother animation transition when character is knocked into a breakable object, DOA6 is weird in how it sets characters to a down dizzy position. - Likable voice over, a few characters were recast in 6 while the VF characters just had old sound files from their game so they grew on me. Of course I can appreciate what 6 is but my heart is always going to be with 5U/LR.
Damn my man, all I can say is... You are absolutely right here... I feel just the same about DOA6, I like the game but because part of myself just FORCE me to like it...
What i've been saying for years, oa5 LR was so deep, you actually had to learn everything and ways of punishing it, now everything is safe, characters are broken, side steps are broken, close hits are OP, i can lost a few round to a beginner where in doa5 they couldn't lay a finger on me...
I prefer the older DOAs over DOA5LR and DOA6 since the older DOA games have more quality to them, great gameplay, better stories, better soundtracks, more quality stages, and unique costumes. The older DOA games are timeless. The original DOA5 aka DOA5 Vanilla was the last good DOA while Koei Tecmo forced Team Ninja to turn DOA5U, DOA5LR, and DOA6 into cash grabs.
I absolutely love the character models in doa5lr. They look very realistic, even down to the skin textures and facial structures. The hair colors also seem more natural and not as saturated. From what i’ve seen in doa 6, the character models seem more smooth and “plastic-y”, less gritty and more “doll-like” (for lack of a better term) so I’m a bit disappointed to see that change, in my opinion.
DOA6 is such a major disappointment and what pisses me off more is that it feels like Team Ninja just didn’t care. Me personally my heart still goes out for DOA3, DOAU, and DOA4 because those games has some great stages, storyline, costumes, and fighting modes. DOA5 is decent as well but I don’t really like the stages because I feel they are way smaller and “boxed in” compared to previous games. And just DOA5 lack of intro and win poses. But DOA6 is just so not fun to me, and what really killed it for me was NO TAG TEAM MODE! Like come on Team Ninja! Tag Team is a staple in the DOA series!
I agree 1000% percent but lets be honest aside from a few series it seems like video games as a whole are getting worse and game developers dont seem to care what happened to the days where game developers did what ever hell they wanted now there just like ohh that games to hard for begginers dumb it down a bit
They did care but no one care for there product if they didn't momji and Rachel and legacy request and modes went be in the game Tag mode was extremely underrated by player's meaning only 2 or 3 try tag mode
@@thatpersoneveryoneknowsbut7533 so true. The games just aren’t livi up to there true potential later for me! I honestly am kinda moving away from the fighting game genre and just sticking with horrors games now. I’m mean I hope if and when they make DOA7 it’s way better but until then I’m staying away.
@@shenelljohnson74 Not really. Rachel and Momiji have been fan favorites since Ninja Gaiden so it was obvious they would add them to the fighting series one day. And there are people in the community who were upset Tag Team was taken away. What I don’t like about what I feel Team Ninja was been doing is preying on the weebos but adding in those animeish lolicon characters Honoka, Marie, Nico. It’s like they don’t really care to add in more serious fighting looking characters. And yes I know DOA has always been know it’s beautiful female characters and the sex appeal, but it still just bothers me to characters like Nico and Kula who look like literal children with super powers. It’s just not the same DOA I grew up playing and I wouldn’t expect newcomers to the DOA series to understand that.
@@shenelljohnson74 if the cared why did this only receive like 2 worth while patches and those weren't anything special they just want your money momiji and Rachel shoulda be in at the start anyways
I feel your frustration bro.. I'm not a long time player only about 3 years or so and I still 100% get it. You know a good comparison look at Kof XIII and kof XIV they added an auto combo but the overall mechanics stayed the same mashing LP isn't gonna get you far in that game so you need to work and learn and im talking serious fuckin grinding on those characters. DOA did dumb it down entirely too much. I honestly don't hate DOA6 I dont love it either though doa5lr is the first doa game I really sat down and learned its the 1st fighting game I gave more than a few months of trying to get good at so I'll always choose it over almost any other fighting game. I just want them to try to make it good again the series as a whole, doa is honestly one of the best fighting games ever made regardless of popularity.. idk im basically ok as long as I can play momiji so you'll catch me on 5lr or 6 at the end of the day I just enjoy 5lr more. Sorry for the long ass comment
For me its kinda a mixed bag with both games. I dont play video games in short bursts like everyone else does so when im playing both for hours upon hours it kinda drags to the point where i either take a few days to a week off so i can play them again. Even then sometimes i dont bother because i feel like i've done everything that i set out to do when i started them. For example DOA5, Get a high rank, get all the trophies, get all the characters and get a gold winning streak in rank. All done with before 6 was released. DOA6, same boat although in 6 it look less time for me to rank up than in 5. after just 24 hours of play i had a 50 game win streak and became an A+ in just only 24 hours. and i got all the trophies in only a week. so whats really left to do on either for me aside from keep playing because i love both games. I'll still always play but honestly whats really left for me to do in them anymore ya know
I'm more of a casual player to 3D Fighters more of 2D player myself but watching your video's always wants me to try play them more. Tekken is Tekken I know that for a fact what you're getting into if "try" to get good at that game, but Doa has always had me interested. Now I've also played the Soul Calibur series which I have to say I enjoy mostly out of the 3D fighter Franchises. Like Doa6 looks good and with addition of Kula from SNK I've kind of wanted to try getting better at but even the main cast of Doa I like character like Helena, and Hitomi. Also, I do agree that the tag mechanic is cool in Doa5 and more costumes but idk. I've just been torn on which Doa. I understand all your point between the two even more so the "accessibility" of getting newer players but heck recently I've been Playing Pokken Tournment DX which is Tekken with a 3D areana fighter aspect but with Pokemon and I easily got into that 3D fighting game more than Tekken, Doa, SC etc. Is it a unique/simpler version of Tekken with Pokémon? yes and that what makes it fun for me personally and will continue to get better at it.
i Enjoy Both DOA6 & DOA5LR, However i Don't Feel Like The Side Step in DOA5 is Good i Belive Team Ninja Change it in DOA6 Because They Realize That The Side Step is Not Good in DOA5, That's Why it's To Good in DOA6.
The one thing I hate, as a new player getting into DOA5LR, is how they delisted ALL THE DLC and you can't buy it anymore. Even though all costumes and characters are STILL IN THE GAME, and will tease you with the costumes and characters in the Arcade mode. Tecmo always finds a way to screw up people who like their games.
I’m a casual player but I see what you’re saying. I haven’t played DOA6 but from what I saw, it seemed that TECMO rushed to put it together. Thanks for the upload! You helped save me some money. I’ll stick to DOA5LR.
DOA6 feels like a DOA school. Its offline content ( tutorial/quest) literally teaches you how to play DOA. It seens like an atempt from Koei Tecmo/ team ninja to increase its players base. Its a great game for a new player maybe not so much from a veteran standpoint.
i am a new doa player and tried doa 5 last round and 6 (both free version), and i totally agree with you, even if im a beginner i just felt better playing doa 5, is more natural, comfortable to play, fun and also has more characters, costumes and levels, it also have a "legacy" graphics that i really appreciate.
So true. Picking up a fighting game shouldn't be a one and done thing. I feel like a lot of people just want quick satisfaction, which is why people shy away from fighting games. They see the work that goes in, and they quickly turn away. I just started playing DOA this month, and I'm learning a lot. Thankfully, I have knowledge of playing 3D fighters like Tekken, SC, and VF, so I know it won't be an easy journey. ...but I'm having too much fun playing this game to care about difficulty.
DOA5LR is a master piece BUT the only reason I got it was because that was the only version of DOA that had Jacky in it. Recently I’ve dropped Tekken, MK and DOA6. I only play Virtua Fighter Final Showdown and DOA5LR. Virtua Fighter is still so fun to play. Had to pull my PS3 back out for it LOL
@@spectrexr1 Yea, but everyone is going to have to support the reboot so we can actually see a VF6. I hate that it’s so underrated. It’s pretty deep. I LOVE the fact that the only comeback mechanic is ring out LOL. But VF players should start explaining how to play the game as much as Tekken and MK players do. I do believe VF5FS definitely is welcoming to new players. And easier VF game, that’s as good or as “easy” as it’s gonna get LOL
Ima get this game one of these days. It was my intro to the series but i literally never got into it or even tried online match, I just... left for some reason. Game still looks good
I played DOA6 for the first time. And it’s truly one of the most simple games I’ve ever played. It’s the definition of beginner friendly. And plus it’s just not great
Imo DOA4 was the pinacle of DOA games in terms of the fighting system. In DOA5 they reduced the counter window which made the triangle system a bit unbalanced. There was no super or comeback mechanic in DOA4 too... it was solid.
I also prefer doa5lr I just wish there were more people playing online the online is kinda dead. I also like 6 but 5 I think is better cause it has more characters and better stages. Also I like the power blow finishers alot better in 5 than the new finishers they added to 6
I can totally agree. I do also prefer doa5 over doa6 because it just feels a bit more balanced and more "fluid" for me. Considering the characters are always changing so much (I still do not get the reason for this at all) also the game speed and combo speed is changing so much that so many things are still no more possible on some characters. For some characters like Kasumi or ayane for example they still have a lot of their old combos working but then for characters like hayabusa some of his moves went becoming so slow that some of his combos are simply impossible now.
NRS and WB did the same thing with Mortal Kombat 11. The game is so dumbed down you can practically give the controller to your dog and he'll be winning matches by the end of the day.
I will say that i do enjoy brad wong more in 6 hes not a better character in 6 tho at least not after all his nerfs. But hes alot funner to play and honestly his mixups are better
The neutral reset is a good point. My cousin only played 2. He's playing 6 and he's actually good because 6 is so easy. We play 5 and he can't play even close to as good.
The whole point of deep combat system is to learn it, yes it takes time, but it is so satisfying when you start to do sick moves. This is why I like 3d fighting games more than 2d, is because 3d fighting games are designed to be difficult and technical from the beginning. Trying to make everything dumber isn't going to make casuals to come in, because casual will play for a little while and then inevitably hit the learning curve, so at the end no one will be happy. I also don't like how modern TN games looks, they need to start hire people and put some money on the table, because both Nioh and DOA looks cheap and ugly.
This man is 100% right. This is exactly why I dropped DOA 6 and pretty much DOA entirely. Tekken has completely taken my spot as my favorite 3D fighting game. Until tekken fucks up then I'll drop tekken. I really liked DOA 5. Maaan I got so much I want to say on this topic. You're getting my hype for doa 5. I say we nuke 6. Reignite 5
I was a HUGE doa fan from part 1-4, part 5 i kinda skipped, and then bought a ps4 for doa6.....what a disappointment it was, just recently started doa5 and agree with your input with the exception of of doa2 ultimate was my absolute favorite, but 6 is the worst
I have both Last Round & 6 but I'm gonna give Last Round the win because for me I think it's the most definitive & complete version of DOA to date. So many characters to play, attires to choose & much more variety. The gameplay & character details is so much better. DOA6 is so downgraded & the DLC's are so, so, so expensive.
I play DOA 5 to this day. I tried the free version of DOA 6 but I didn’t like that there isn’t any content :/ I legit played it for only 30 mins before switching back to DOA5 😂
I like both games.. but i do revist 5 more often than 6.. players got brainwashed on doa 6 ranked they play without fundamentals, fake ass string cancels and bad habits..(all of a sudden everyone is a high rank player) and can beat all those sweaty players without any effort at all man. Just simply tap the S button and pray to god that it hits. Zero to no ground game made people stay on the floor and feel safe. youre forced to wait while u have someone stunned on 6 due to the simple fact that they can use meter to get out of pressure is a joke. Takes away all those 50-50 and makes literally alot of slower characters unplayable..these so called high rank players nowdays relay on cheap fake ways to win matches and get away with it..the whole game as it is now is a mess imo.
The 2d game-style reversal is a system that doesn't fit the doa, born in Virtua Fighter. Because of that, the three-way psychological warfare collapsed.
I was thinking of going back to 5 because I can barely find matches on 6 when I'm playing online. Idk if its because I'm on PC or not. I will say I've been on VF5 a lot too.
DOA5 is always my go to game along with Tekken 5, this game had so many different game modes, 36 different characters, cool costumes and very good story mode 👍🏼 DOA6 isn‘t terrible but it lacks a lot in comparison to DOA5, the modes are limited, you have to collect fabric and coins for unlocking costumes and the DLC characters aren‘t really worth it, since most of them are in the base roster of DOA5 🥴 The biggest disappointment for me was the story mode, barely any focus on the ninjas and mainly just on Haruka and Marie (just because those 2 are popular, I love them too but they don‘t have a great story to tell)
I played doa6 for about a week maybe two. Then I went back to doa5lr. My problems with doa6 is the new bar system. I hate the mortal combat series and copying that bar mechanic did not help doa. You need to be able to do your whole toolkit all the time. There's no damn cooldown for a kick that's just stupid. I like the powerblow to a degree. But hold it there. Then there's the cutscene problem. Everytime you hit a wall in certain maps you get a cutscene when you get knocked around you get a cutscene it stops the fight. I like being thrown out of buildings but when I get knocked into the ropes while playing in the doa stadion in 5 the one knocked is being dazed. In 6 you both get a cinematic cutscene breaking up the intensity of the figfht. Then there's the sidestep. Emery explains this very well. But I would like to add the sidestep counter in doa5lr is much better as it doesn't break up the fight and makes some very crazy sidestep counter fights. Now the elefant in the room. TAG!!!! nuff said. Missing characters: Ein, Gen fu, Leon and all those like momiji that has been added as a DLC wtf?! And then they make new dlc characters instead of letting the old ones return first. Big mistake in my opinion. Then there's the overall feel as Emery have said in a number of videos, for me I think that one comes down to the level design where some of the levels are a little too goofy for me but it is what it is.
If TEKKEN 8 release with all the game modes you want, perfectly balanced, felt smooth but KING has a MONKEY HEAD instead of Tiger head and Heihachi, Law, Jin was not playable from start and NINA was a flat-chested dude and the first season pass including nothing but wedding dresses for your cute Yoshimishu and all the new blue haired lolis you want for Tekken FOR 100 EURO! Would you still accept the game? This is how I felt about DOA6. The first thing I saw was a all covered-up small chested Kasumi all bruised up spitting blood on the screen. Immediately I thought, no way, this is not Dead or Alive... they are about the ruin this... and damn right was I right! The few weeks after youtube and forums overflown by SJW haters and stuff raging on DOA6. Rough start for a decent game (because I think the gameplay of DOA6 is pretty damn good even though I prefer DOA5LR).
I got DOA5LR because I was tired of TEKKEN 7 and wanted to play more obscure fighting games alot of people dont know about! Not only that the game had characters I was familiar with like Akira yuki and ryu hayabusa, and this game is a blast to play, the fighting system is excellent and the stages are beautiful to look at! And it makes u feel like your in a real life brawl! No wacky gimmicks and clones like TEKKEN 7, just pure straight to the point fighting, Superb and underrated fighting game indeed that deserved to sell way more than it did because i hear it didnt sell alot of copies, which is sad because its a great little hidden gem!
Kinda late to the convo, but you are right, doa 6 had me dropping doa community as a whole, with people defending it, doa did not need an easier approach, you can literally come as a newcomer vs newcomer, mash and see the cool attacks and you can have fun like that, I hate this new approach of making newbies pros in days. is just not the mentality a fighting game should strive for, it is just sad. Then again, I see you playing more 6 than 5 nowadays, we as a community should have a doa 5 day and just jump in and play(since there is no lobbies), I have a small group playing everyday, sadly people get scared when they hear we use parsec to compensate the lack of lobbies
I disagree slightly on the graphics. Sure, 6 may have higher fidelity, but I don't think it looks as good as 5. I even think 3 and 4 have better art direction
I think most of the people that wanted to earn their skills the old fashioned way prefer this game. Imagine a get out of jail free card to do combos and getting out of pressure as well with the push of a button. It’s just a brain dead game it’s so boring To see people mindlessly do the same combos over and over again. Doa 5 you had to actually learn your characters unique moves and attributes you actually witnessed characters being used uniquely people made their own combos and unique style of play. doa 6 on the other hand with the push of button you can do combos that are gerneric there is no uniqueness especially Marie roses and kulas. Also doa 5 defense was extremely difficult with guaranteed moves it was damn near impossible to get out of pressure. In doa 6 once again with the push of a button you escape pressure and gaining any type of momentum is impossible to maintain ,through a cheap counter you could potentially turn the whole match around everyone’s hard work in 5 is in vain in doa6.
I like DOA5LR since they have more characters to try out, better stages although DOA4 and DOA2U have better stages, and a story mode that doesn’t revolve around two annoying weebbait characters even if the writing is questionable. Also we have Troy Baker as Ryu Hayabusa in DOA5 which is awesome. Overall, DOA5LR is a good DOA game.
Great discussion, I hate it when people just say DOA5 is better and list some mechanics without explaining WHY they think so. Big 👍 for that. I agree with most points. Sidestep has been terrible in DOA6 from the start (remember it didn't even cost meter at first lmao). I don't agree with the idea that legacy knowledge HAS to carry over for a game to be good, but I understand what you mean. There was a depth to it that was good, and now it's just gone, with no other mechanic to sink your teeth into. Anyway, great video!
We shouldnt have to explain..u can just play both and immediately know doa5 is better. Doa6 has always been garbage and anyone defending it is a scrub who was never good at the game to begin with. If someone has to explain why a godlike game is so godlike ur the problem. Ur too stupid to see how good a doa title is and how trash one is. Doa6 has less graphics chars and a 1 move tech all moves...how garbage is that? Just as garbage as ur comment
I STOPPED playing DOA6 because of how easier the game is plus the massive amount of microtransactions that game has. It sucks the soul out of the game. This was similar situation for DOA5LR but the gameplay saves it from me dropping it entirely. But, if I can say what DOA is best for me It's either DOA4 or DOA2 Ultimate
I agree I’m on doa5 last round rn lol 🔥🔥idk I just didn’t really like 6 idk it feels weird and you have to pay for the costumes in number 6 like bruh cmon doa5 all you have to do is play arcade matches or survival or time attack 🔥🔥that’s just why I like number 5 more more characters as well and costumes that are good not saying doa 6 is bad it’s just I don’t like the game even tho it came out in 2019 march 1st
ok I completely agree but the fact you can use characters on doa 6 for free for quest is I only like but I don't like how doa5 does not include mai anymore
Didn't he preach about this a year ago and before that nothing gonna change 6 gonna get casuals few other player's while 5 get's none online end of story
I got the free doa6 core and dropped $8 on Mai... recently. I did play the doa6 story back when it first came out and the story mode is pure trash. But so was doa5 story. I'm a big casual DOA fan...I have all the doa games even the volleyball ones and even the 3ds one. I love to play but I'm 🗑️. Kinda like a lotta ppl love to hoop and they go to LA fitness or whatever but most of them are 🗑️
Oh yeah? I miss the small things like being able to see my characters reflection on the water too. So much for next generation graphics!
"Easy to learn, hard to master."
This should be the approach in the next DOA installment. Make the game player-friendly fun for newcomers, but also have mechanics in place that reward time, effort, and knowledge.
This doesn't really exist as much as people think it does.
@@rainofkhandaq6678 Not really but ok
Exactly. I started on doa5 when I was 14 and now I'm 19. I can definitely say those 5 years helped me a lot with learning characters and comb setups.
i agree on how they dumbed down DOA6's combat system so that almost anyone can learn it, in DOA5 you actually had to LEARN the game from multiple ways with things like Frame Data, Safe/Unsafe moves and combo challenges. These ones were harder to do than 6's ones because you actually had to time when you execute the move and how to transition from one move to another. DOA6 made some additions that take away from the fun of actually making use of the hard skills you picked up in training because of a break hold that you can just spam and counter strikes almost every time and the sidestep which isn't even OP, its just annoying, like anyone can just mash the sidestep and pray that they will hit and if/when they do they interrupt your strings and take YOUR fun out of playing the game. Truth is, They just made DOA6 too easy to pick up and too hard to play against random people who just mash these buttons and do barely anything else
I agree even though ive only plaued doa6. But it just feels that much more bettee when you beat spammers
Gotdamn complainers
I've been looking for a DoA game to pick up. I haven't played since 4. I saw the "features" 6 had, but I'm glad I got DoA5LR
Last round has more characters, a tag system, more costumes (even without any dlc), better gameplay mechanics, and no trash unlock system.
first time the game come out, it just had the same amount of content as DOA6
@@frozzytango9927
DOA5LR is the result of Tecmo Koei years of putting DLC in the game.
Sadly DOA6 doesn't have much DLC characters (Most of them were already in DOA5LR, makes it pointless to buy them.)
@@frozzytango9927 doa 5 at launch still had more modes though.
Couldn't have said it better myself
DOA6 lacks those, lacks Ein, lacks Power Blows, lacks Critical Bursts and lacks Nyotengu's sexiness.
I prefer DOA5's stun system. DOA5 let's you stun someone up to four times. Dozens of the stun combos i do in DOA5 are no longer possible in DOA6.
The only things I like in DoA 6 is NiCO and one new costume for Marie Rose. 5 is so much fun, the game feel is awesome, the cast is big and its full of fun stages and costumes
It makes perfect sense that veteran players would be upset when a new entry gets simplified: we've seen it hundreds of times with many franchises. The advantage that DOA has in this regard is that they release multiple titles, itsn ot an MMO or live service game per say. Because of that, they can learn and make grand improvements with the next release.
DOA5 > DOA6 in almost every way sadly
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DOA5 IS BETTERR THAN 6
This is what’s happening to so many different fighting game series. They try so hard to get more people to play it, and in turn they dumb it down so little Timmy down the street can beat Daigo.
Telken 7 with hyper armor and meter just kills it for me. Stopped playing 2 years after launch once more meter characters came or niggas like noctus punishing full screen
I think everyone does. Cheaper, had more costumes, more characters, story was crappy but not as much as six, combo mechanics were good and it wasn't easy to win with a spam... the list goes on
I like doa5lr better mainly due to the character selection. Doa6 it's like it's mainly women and I know that's doa but to have dlc characters same as in doa5 in 6 ..lazy no tag. Doa6 just didn't feel complete
Honestly, I do miss the cliffhangers from DOA5, it was An awesome addition to the series. I’m sorry that DOA museum stage is the laziest recycled concept ever. The DLC that should have been included for me (as a Kasumi main) was the Dimensions costumes as well as the DOA4 pink too with scarf and jean skirt costume that is iconic
Late to this one, but I've always loved DOA5U/LR over 6, and it is certainly my favourite fighting game. Simply put I just forced myself to play, like and purchase my favourite character (Momiji) in 6.
While I just play for entertainment, specifically I favour 5 over 6 for multiple reasons. Many concerned will minor details and quality of life type of things:
- There is a less jarring 'safety net' meter system in DO5 and the game runs well and overall feels better to play. I actually hate 6's system in form and function.
- CPU AI behaviour, I really felt as if I was learning the nuances in across the 8 different difficulties you could set the CPU to. In 6 the AI just meter counter spams.
- Superior character roster and stage catalogue in 5
- Cliffhangers are present in a few stages
- Tag Team Battles
- Visually the presentation in terms of shading and lighting is more pleasing to me in 5. Certain character models look rough in 6, take Kokoro for example.
- Uncensored jiggle physics and the ability to customize that at your discretion. I like breasts.
- Reflections on necessary surfaces/terrain.
- Cutscenes available in the theatre as you play the game.
- Mobility after a KO.
- Better unlock progression for costumes and the ability to choose different details for some models.
- Smoother animation transition when character is knocked into a breakable object, DOA6 is weird in how it sets characters to a down dizzy position.
- Likable voice over, a few characters were recast in 6 while the VF characters just had old sound files from their game so they grew on me.
Of course I can appreciate what 6 is but my heart is always going to be with 5U/LR.
I literally still go in arcade mode on the hardest difficulty and reck shit with Ayane 😂
Damn my man, all I can say is... You are absolutely right here... I feel just the same about DOA6, I like the game but because part of myself just FORCE me to like it...
What i've been saying for years, oa5 LR was so deep, you actually had to learn everything and ways of punishing it, now everything is safe, characters are broken, side steps are broken, close hits are OP, i can lost a few round to a beginner where in doa5 they couldn't lay a finger on me...
never played a doa before, so thanks for making my choice easier, gonna get doa5
I prefer the older DOAs over DOA5LR and DOA6 since the older DOA games have more quality to them, great gameplay, better stories, better soundtracks, more quality stages, and unique costumes. The older DOA games are timeless. The original DOA5 aka DOA5 Vanilla was the last good DOA while Koei Tecmo forced Team Ninja to turn DOA5U, DOA5LR, and DOA6 into cash grabs.
You don't play competively, DOA5 was broken in term of char balance/gameplay etc.
LR was perfect
I absolutely love the character models in doa5lr. They look very realistic, even down to the skin textures and facial structures. The hair colors also seem more natural and not as saturated. From what i’ve seen in doa 6, the character models seem more smooth and “plastic-y”, less gritty and more “doll-like” (for lack of a better term) so I’m a bit disappointed to see that change, in my opinion.
I had a feeling that when you said this, this was gonna be a clip for the channel. Preach
DOA6 is such a major disappointment and what pisses me off more is that it feels like Team Ninja just didn’t care. Me personally my heart still goes out for DOA3, DOAU, and DOA4 because those games has some great stages, storyline, costumes, and fighting modes. DOA5 is decent as well but I don’t really like the stages because I feel they are way smaller and “boxed in” compared to previous games. And just DOA5 lack of intro and win poses. But DOA6 is just so not fun to me, and what really killed it for me was NO TAG TEAM MODE! Like come on Team Ninja! Tag Team is a staple in the DOA series!
I agree 1000% percent but lets be honest aside from a few series it seems like video games as a whole are getting worse and game developers dont seem to care what happened to the days where game developers did what ever hell they wanted now there just like ohh that games to hard for begginers dumb it down a bit
They did care but no one care for there product if they didn't momji and Rachel and legacy request and modes went be in the game Tag mode was extremely underrated by player's meaning only 2 or 3 try tag mode
@@thatpersoneveryoneknowsbut7533 so true. The games just aren’t livi up to there true potential later for me! I honestly am kinda moving away from the fighting game genre and just sticking with horrors games now. I’m mean I hope if and when they make DOA7 it’s way better but until then I’m staying away.
@@shenelljohnson74 Not really. Rachel and Momiji have been fan favorites since Ninja Gaiden so it was obvious they would add them to the fighting series one day. And there are people in the community who were upset Tag Team was taken away. What I don’t like about what I feel Team Ninja was been doing is preying on the weebos but adding in those animeish lolicon characters Honoka, Marie, Nico. It’s like they don’t really care to add in more serious fighting looking characters. And yes I know DOA has always been know it’s beautiful female characters and the sex appeal, but it still just bothers me to characters like Nico and Kula who look like literal children with super powers. It’s just not the same DOA I grew up playing and I wouldn’t expect newcomers to the DOA series to understand that.
@@shenelljohnson74 if the cared why did this only receive like 2 worth while patches and those weren't anything special they just want your money momiji and Rachel shoulda be in at the start anyways
This game is so hard to play one handed smh.
Any game is
I feel your frustration bro.. I'm not a long time player only about 3 years or so and I still 100% get it. You know a good comparison look at Kof XIII and kof XIV they added an auto combo but the overall mechanics stayed the same mashing LP isn't gonna get you far in that game so you need to work and learn and im talking serious fuckin grinding on those characters. DOA did dumb it down entirely too much. I honestly don't hate DOA6 I dont love it either though doa5lr is the first doa game I really sat down and learned its the 1st fighting game I gave more than a few months of trying to get good at so I'll always choose it over almost any other fighting game. I just want them to try to make it good again the series as a whole, doa is honestly one of the best fighting games ever made regardless of popularity.. idk im basically ok as long as I can play momiji so you'll catch me on 5lr or 6 at the end of the day I just enjoy 5lr more. Sorry for the long ass comment
For me its kinda a mixed bag with both games. I dont play video games in short bursts like everyone else does so when im playing both for hours upon hours it kinda drags to the point where i either take a few days to a week off so i can play them again. Even then sometimes i dont bother because i feel like i've done everything that i set out to do when i started them. For example DOA5, Get a high rank, get all the trophies, get all the characters and get a gold winning streak in rank. All done with before 6 was released. DOA6, same boat although in 6 it look less time for me to rank up than in 5. after just 24 hours of play i had a 50 game win streak and became an A+ in just only 24 hours. and i got all the trophies in only a week. so whats really left to do on either for me aside from keep playing because i love both games. I'll still always play but honestly whats really left for me to do in them anymore ya know
I approve of the Tenchu 1 music in the background. Also, good video
I'm more of a casual player to 3D Fighters more of 2D player myself but watching your video's always wants me to try play them more. Tekken is Tekken I know that for a fact what you're getting into if "try" to get good at that game, but Doa has always had me interested. Now I've also played the Soul Calibur series which I have to say I enjoy mostly out of the 3D fighter Franchises. Like Doa6 looks good and with addition of Kula from SNK I've kind of wanted to try getting better at but even the main cast of Doa I like character like Helena, and Hitomi. Also, I do agree that the tag mechanic is cool in Doa5 and more costumes but idk. I've just been torn on which Doa. I understand all your point between the two even more so the "accessibility" of getting newer players but heck recently I've been Playing Pokken Tournment DX which is Tekken with a 3D areana fighter aspect but with Pokemon and I easily got into that 3D fighting game more than Tekken, Doa, SC etc. Is it a unique/simpler version of Tekken with Pokémon? yes and that what makes it fun for me personally and will continue to get better at it.
2022 still loving DOA6 over DOA5.accessible game are the future.
i Enjoy Both DOA6 & DOA5LR, However i Don't Feel Like The Side Step in DOA5 is Good i Belive Team Ninja Change it in DOA6 Because They Realize That The Side Step is Not Good in DOA5, That's Why it's To Good in DOA6.
The one thing I hate, as a new player getting into DOA5LR, is how they delisted ALL THE DLC and you can't buy it anymore. Even though all costumes and characters are STILL IN THE GAME, and will tease you with the costumes and characters in the Arcade mode.
Tecmo always finds a way to screw up people who like their games.
I’m a casual player but I see what you’re saying. I haven’t played DOA6 but from what I saw, it seemed that TECMO rushed to put it together. Thanks for the upload! You helped save me some money. I’ll stick to DOA5LR.
I hope you have played it and made a better informed decision instead of basing an opinion on what someone else says....I'm sure you have by now
DOA6 feels like a DOA school. Its offline content ( tutorial/quest) literally teaches you how to play DOA. It seens like an atempt from Koei Tecmo/ team ninja to increase its players base. Its a great game for a new player maybe not so much from a veteran standpoint.
I love the Tenchu soundtrack in your background.
Makes me feel really nostalgic right now!
i am a new doa player and tried doa 5 last round and 6 (both free version), and i totally agree with you, even if im a beginner i just felt better playing doa 5, is more natural, comfortable to play, fun and also has more characters, costumes and levels, it also have a "legacy" graphics that i really appreciate.
Yea
What system do you play on ?
I just want overkill in doa6 that will be a full finished product
So true. Picking up a fighting game shouldn't be a one and done thing. I feel like a lot of people just want quick satisfaction, which is why people shy away from fighting games. They see the work that goes in, and they quickly turn away. I just started playing DOA this month, and I'm learning a lot. Thankfully, I have knowledge of playing 3D fighters like Tekken, SC, and VF, so I know it won't be an easy journey. ...but I'm having too much fun playing this game to care about difficulty.
DOA5LR is a master piece BUT the only reason I got it was because that was the only version of DOA that had Jacky in it.
Recently I’ve dropped Tekken, MK and DOA6.
I only play Virtua Fighter Final Showdown and DOA5LR.
Virtua Fighter is still so fun to play. Had to pull my PS3 back out for it LOL
I thought I was the only one that still played vf showdown lol . It's back compat on xbox one x so lucky didn't have to pull out my 360 lol
@@spectrexr1 That’s fantastic! Some of us are trying to keep it alive lol I’ve just recently learned how to properly play VF though LOL
@@BCDC123 nice it's not easy to learn lol . I really wish we could get a vf 6
@@spectrexr1 Yea, but everyone is going to have to support the reboot so we can actually see a VF6.
I hate that it’s so underrated. It’s pretty deep. I LOVE the fact that the only comeback mechanic is ring out LOL.
But VF players should start explaining how to play the game as much as Tekken and MK players do. I do believe VF5FS definitely is welcoming to new players.
And easier VF game, that’s as good or as “easy” as it’s gonna get LOL
@@BCDC123 lol agreed
doa6 might have better graphics, but besides that doa5 is much better
Ur garbage doa6 does not have better graphics
Oh yeah you playing that tenchu 1 mission 1 song brings back a lot of memories!!!
Ima get this game one of these days. It was my intro to the series but i literally never got into it or even tried online match, I just... left for some reason. Game still looks good
dude love the tenchu music.
I love both DOA5LR and DOA6. I livestream them on my PS4 sometimes.
I played DOA6 for the first time. And it’s truly one of the most simple games I’ve ever played. It’s the definition of beginner friendly. And plus it’s just not great
Imo DOA4 was the pinacle of DOA games in terms of the fighting system. In DOA5 they reduced the counter window which made the triangle system a bit unbalanced. There was no super or comeback mechanic in DOA4 too... it was solid.
DOA5LR is amazing. I fell in love with the game so fast. I might even get Phase-4 tattooed lmfao
I also prefer doa5lr I just wish there were more people playing online the online is kinda dead. I also like 6 but 5 I think is better cause it has more characters and better stages. Also I like the power blow finishers alot better in 5 than the new finishers they added to 6
I can totally agree. I do also prefer doa5 over doa6 because it just feels a bit more balanced and more "fluid" for me. Considering the characters are always changing so much (I still do not get the reason for this at all) also the game speed and combo speed is changing so much that so many things are still no more possible on some characters. For some characters like Kasumi or ayane for example they still have a lot of their old combos working but then for characters like hayabusa some of his moves went becoming so slow that some of his combos are simply impossible now.
DoA5LR is the game that defined the PS3 for me.
NRS and WB did the same thing with Mortal Kombat 11. The game is so dumbed down you can practically give the controller to your dog and he'll be winning matches by the end of the day.
His comparison of the 2 titles is similar to my comparison with MVC2 and MVC3
I will say that i do enjoy brad wong more in 6 hes not a better character in 6 tho at least not after all his nerfs. But hes alot funner to play and honestly his mixups are better
Yo that Tenchu BGM tho my dude!
True. Even the model of the character is bad looks weird. Their faces looks more cute in doa 5 than in 6
Tbh the tag matches and team fights on DOA 5 did it for me
The neutral reset is a good point. My cousin only played 2. He's playing 6 and he's actually good because 6 is so easy. We play 5 and he can't play even close to as good.
True. Fighting games aren't supposed to be easy, just as real life fighting isn't easy
The whole point of deep combat system is to learn it, yes it takes time, but it is so satisfying when you start to do sick moves. This is why I like 3d fighting games more than 2d, is because 3d fighting games are designed to be difficult and technical from the beginning. Trying to make everything dumber isn't going to make casuals to come in, because casual will play for a little while and then inevitably hit the learning curve, so at the end no one will be happy. I also don't like how modern TN games looks, they need to start hire people and put some money on the table, because both Nioh and DOA looks cheap and ugly.
Finally a new 10+ minutes video ❤
This man is 100% right. This is exactly why I dropped DOA 6 and pretty much DOA entirely. Tekken has completely taken my spot as my favorite 3D fighting game. Until tekken fucks up then I'll drop tekken. I really liked DOA 5. Maaan I got so much I want to say on this topic. You're getting my hype for doa 5. I say we nuke 6. Reignite 5
I was a HUGE doa fan from part 1-4, part 5 i kinda skipped, and then bought a ps4 for doa6.....what a disappointment it was, just recently started doa5 and agree with your input with the exception of of doa2 ultimate was my absolute favorite, but 6 is the worst
Huh. Currently, which installment has a bigger playerbase?
I know nothing about the franchise but it seems interesting.
It’s pretty tied on console tbh
I love the music in doa6.
I have both Last Round & 6 but I'm gonna give Last Round the win because for me I think it's the most definitive & complete version of DOA to date. So many characters to play, attires to choose & much more variety. The gameplay & character details is so much better. DOA6 is so downgraded & the DLC's are so, so, so expensive.
I do hope our next DOA entry goes back to the DOA4/5 systems.
I play DOA 5 to this day. I tried the free version of DOA 6 but I didn’t like that there isn’t any content :/ I legit played it for only 30 mins before switching back to DOA5 😂
I like both games.. but i do revist 5 more often than 6.. players got brainwashed on doa 6 ranked they play without fundamentals, fake ass string cancels and bad habits..(all of a sudden everyone is a high rank player) and can beat all those sweaty players without any effort at all man. Just simply tap the S button and pray to god that it hits. Zero to no ground game made people stay on the floor and feel safe. youre forced to wait while u have someone stunned on 6 due to the simple fact that they can use meter to get out of pressure is a joke. Takes away all those 50-50 and makes literally alot of slower characters unplayable..these so called high rank players nowdays relay on cheap fake ways to win matches and get away with it..the whole game as it is now is a mess imo.
The 2d game-style reversal is a system that doesn't fit the doa, born in Virtua Fighter. Because of that, the three-way psychological warfare collapsed.
when DOA 6 was released, i called it Dead or Side step attack 6
DOA4 IS FOREVER THE BEST TO ME.
Are you playing on PC is that how you have that Darth Vader skin? It's a mod?
Everyone prefers doa5lr :X
I don't
.... >.>
@@Aventurine4lyfe nani
@@siunmadness5009 played 5 since ps3. I enjoy the characters and stages of 5 but I like the graphics and fighting of 6 better
@@siunmadness5009 I also really hate tag.
@@Aventurine4lyfe hmmm..wdym by fighting? Like, the mechanics? (Fatal stuns, break holds, etc.)
Me too.
Doa5 is better
I was thinking of going back to 5 because I can barely find matches on 6 when I'm playing online. Idk if its because I'm on PC or not. I will say I've been on VF5 a lot too.
I’m addicted to DOA5LR
DOA5 is always my go to game along with Tekken 5, this game had so many different game modes, 36 different characters, cool costumes and very good story mode 👍🏼
DOA6 isn‘t terrible but it lacks a lot in comparison to DOA5, the modes are limited, you have to collect fabric and coins for unlocking costumes and the DLC characters aren‘t really worth it, since most of them are in the base roster of DOA5 🥴
The biggest disappointment for me was the story mode, barely any focus on the ninjas and mainly just on Haruka and Marie (just because those 2 are popular, I love them too but they don‘t have a great story to tell)
DOA 5 runs on my I3 laptop at a decent 60 fps with shadows disabled.
DOA6 failed. I am so disappointed.
I played doa6 for about a week maybe two. Then I went back to doa5lr. My problems with doa6 is the new bar system. I hate the mortal combat series and copying that bar mechanic did not help doa. You need to be able to do your whole toolkit all the time. There's no damn cooldown for a kick that's just stupid. I like the powerblow to a degree. But hold it there.
Then there's the cutscene problem. Everytime you hit a wall in certain maps you get a cutscene when you get knocked around you get a cutscene it stops the fight. I like being thrown out of buildings but when I get knocked into the ropes while playing in the doa stadion in 5 the one knocked is being dazed. In 6 you both get a cinematic cutscene breaking up the intensity of the figfht.
Then there's the sidestep. Emery explains this very well. But I would like to add the sidestep counter in doa5lr is much better as it doesn't break up the fight and makes some very crazy sidestep counter fights.
Now the elefant in the room. TAG!!!! nuff said.
Missing characters: Ein, Gen fu, Leon and all those like momiji that has been added as a DLC wtf?! And then they make new dlc characters instead of letting the old ones return first. Big mistake in my opinion.
Then there's the overall feel as Emery have said in a number of videos, for me I think that one comes down to the level design where some of the levels are a little too goofy for me but it is what it is.
If they could of increased the graphics and the addition of the characters new moves from 6 to 5 ( Minus the meter system), I would be content.
5 that's way 6 is whole lot better
It makes me mad I can't buy mai shiranui even though you still see her on the select screen I guess I'll have to try and mod her in when I get a pc
That may be the only way
If TEKKEN 8 release with all the game modes you want, perfectly balanced, felt smooth but KING has a MONKEY HEAD instead of Tiger head and Heihachi, Law, Jin was not playable from start and NINA was a flat-chested dude and the first season pass including nothing but wedding dresses for your cute Yoshimishu and all the new blue haired lolis you want for Tekken FOR 100 EURO! Would you still accept the game?
This is how I felt about DOA6. The first thing I saw was a all covered-up small chested Kasumi all bruised up spitting blood on the screen. Immediately I thought, no way, this is not Dead or Alive... they are about the ruin this... and damn right was I right! The few weeks after youtube and forums overflown by SJW haters and stuff raging on DOA6. Rough start for a decent game (because I think the gameplay of DOA6 is pretty damn good even though I prefer DOA5LR).
The fact that I play doa3, 4 and Ultimate more than any game...
I got DOA5LR because I was tired of TEKKEN 7 and wanted to play more obscure fighting games alot of people dont know about! Not only that the game had characters I was familiar with like Akira yuki and ryu hayabusa, and this game is a blast to play, the fighting system is excellent and the stages are beautiful to look at! And it makes u feel like your in a real life brawl! No wacky gimmicks and clones like TEKKEN 7, just pure straight to the point fighting, Superb and underrated fighting game indeed that deserved to sell way more than it did because i hear it didnt sell alot of copies, which is sad because its a great little hidden gem!
Kinda late to the convo, but you are right, doa 6 had me dropping doa community as a whole, with people defending it, doa did not need an easier approach, you can literally come as a newcomer vs newcomer, mash and see the cool attacks and you can have fun like that, I hate this new approach of making newbies pros in days. is just not the mentality a fighting game should strive for, it is just sad. Then again, I see you playing more 6 than 5 nowadays, we as a community should have a doa 5 day and just jump in and play(since there is no lobbies), I have a small group playing everyday, sadly people get scared when they hear we use parsec to compensate the lack of lobbies
Am I dying or is that Bloody Roar 1 music in the background🥺
Yessir
Finally, someone who speaks English
I disagree slightly on the graphics. Sure, 6 may have higher fidelity, but I don't think it looks as good as 5. I even think 3 and 4 have better art direction
I think most of the people that wanted to earn their skills the old fashioned way prefer this game. Imagine a get out of jail free card to do combos and getting out of pressure as well with the push of a button. It’s just a brain dead game it’s so boring To see people mindlessly do the same combos over and over again. Doa 5 you had to actually learn your characters unique moves and attributes you actually witnessed characters being used uniquely people made their own combos and unique style of play. doa 6 on the other hand with the push of button you can do combos that are gerneric there is no uniqueness especially Marie roses and kulas. Also doa 5 defense was extremely difficult with guaranteed moves it was damn near impossible to get out of pressure. In doa 6 once again with the push of a button you escape pressure and gaining any type of momentum is impossible to maintain ,through a cheap counter you could potentially turn the whole match around everyone’s hard work in 5 is in vain in doa6.
I like DOA5LR since they have more characters to try out, better stages although DOA4 and DOA2U have better stages, and a story mode that doesn’t revolve around two annoying weebbait characters even if the writing is questionable. Also we have Troy Baker as Ryu Hayabusa in DOA5 which is awesome. Overall, DOA5LR is a good DOA game.
Great discussion, I hate it when people just say DOA5 is better and list some mechanics without explaining WHY they think so. Big 👍 for that. I agree with most points. Sidestep has been terrible in DOA6 from the start (remember it didn't even cost meter at first lmao). I don't agree with the idea that legacy knowledge HAS to carry over for a game to be good, but I understand what you mean. There was a depth to it that was good, and now it's just gone, with no other mechanic to sink your teeth into. Anyway, great video!
We shouldnt have to explain..u can just play both and immediately know doa5 is better. Doa6 has always been garbage and anyone defending it is a scrub who was never good at the game to begin with. If someone has to explain why a godlike game is so godlike ur the problem. Ur too stupid to see how good a doa title is and how trash one is. Doa6 has less graphics chars and a 1 move tech all moves...how garbage is that? Just as garbage as ur comment
I STOPPED playing DOA6 because of how easier the game is plus the massive amount of microtransactions that game has. It sucks the soul out of the game. This was similar situation for DOA5LR but the gameplay saves it from me dropping it entirely. But, if I can say what DOA is best for me It's either DOA4 or DOA2 Ultimate
I don’t see the need to get 6. I’m perfectly content with 5.
I played 6 and hated it been back on 5 ever since
I agree I’m on doa5 last round rn lol 🔥🔥idk I just didn’t really like 6 idk it feels weird and you have to pay for the costumes in number 6 like bruh cmon doa5 all you have to do is play arcade matches or survival or time attack 🔥🔥that’s just why I like number 5 more more characters as well and costumes that are good not saying doa 6 is bad it’s just I don’t like the game even tho it came out in 2019 march 1st
I sort of want more of a casual experience would that make 6 better for me?
I agree. I feel like dumbing down a fighting game removes the satisfaction of learning how to play the game.
It's be funny if DoA6 in the future did become really good with a new version. But a lot of things would need changed and balanced.
Never will be stfu and stop defending trash doa title..
@@darkasnight86 if you say so bum squirt
Also, i noticed in 5 i had trouble 100% challenge combos.
I think ive done like 10 of them.
In 5, like maybe 3.
ok I completely agree but the fact you can use characters on doa 6 for free for quest is I only like but I don't like how doa5 does not include mai anymore
Preach
Didn't he preach about this a year ago and before that nothing gonna change 6 gonna get casuals few other player's while 5 get's none online end of story
I got the free doa6 core and dropped $8 on Mai... recently. I did play the doa6 story back when it first came out and the story mode is pure trash. But so was doa5 story. I'm a big casual DOA fan...I have all the doa games even the volleyball ones and even the 3ds one. I love to play but I'm 🗑️. Kinda like a lotta ppl love to hoop and they go to LA fitness or whatever but most of them are 🗑️