I'm super hyped for this phase too. Seems like devs have turned their brains back on haha. Gives me high hopes for naxx phase and potentially even more content like they mentioned
Hey man never saw your channel before, but im just coming back to SOD. not playing fresh, happy to see content still for SOD so just wanted to say thanks for making this
Thanks for this Video Pants. I was very letdown after the "lack-luster" announcement. But with these more "creative" tier sets makes it actually more fun then a "+2%crit"
i have loved your content since wrath. i was hoping to be rank 1 this last phase but ultimately plans changed. despite that, i'm always inspired by what you bring to the table. thank you for sharing! i have a clip on my channel where the devs ask this leading question... hmmm i wonder whyyy they are putting in all this work and rework of items in classic. spriesty luv
Hey pants. Glad to see you after long time. I used to watch your wrath guides and streams, and learned a lot from them. I still watch your SoD videos even though I never played SoD 😄 I have one question I always wanna ask ppl but I don’t know anyone other than you very much. Is honestly still happy with their decision of ignoring Cata and focusing on SoD? Isn’t Cata rwf/speedrunning scene more engaging/exciting than sod? It’s sad that nota is not competing with progress and numen…
Progress is quitting cata for the new fresh servers coming. Cata is kinda dead in the speedrunning scene tbh. We actually just had an internal poll aobut what the future of nota is going to be so idk what the results of that are (we just had it) but the officers are definitely thinking about what the future of the guild is going to be. For me personally, neither new fresh or cata excites me so idk what I'll do if sod ends after naxx
How cool does this sound as a life long shadow main. Here’s the problem. Sod and cata gonna die in 6 days. Pretty sad because this looks like the most fun version of “classic” shadow I have ever seen with the bonuses. Only thing more fun would be retail shadow. It’s such a shame.
I don't at all think we should be excited for MORE powerful set bonus items. There's a bunch of issues with them that really in my opinion have ruined gearing in classic. 1: Other items get trivialized and incidentally niche items are literally useless because set bonusses are too powerful. 2: I waited 4 weeks to equip literally 7 pieces of gear (Mana Igniting Cord, Ebony Flame Gloves and 5 Tier pieces) Because I had to wait to have the 6th tier piece before my gear actually became better. Winning 7 freaking items and not being able to equip them is an incredibly huge feelsbad moment. 3: You can't swap out of items reliably if there's particular items that are good in a particular fight (namely fire resistance). 4: You actually need to have 6 tier pieces to actually play your full rotation which I think is bad. I do think set bonusses are good and cool, but add more impactful stuff to 2 set bonus instead of making the 6 set so damn strong. The ZG set bonus is cool, and the new AQ set bonus is cool Imo because they don't require so ridiculously many pieces and please don't force me to have 9 freaking cookie cutter pieces of gear that no other item can ever beat in the phase.
I have a level 60 shadow priest and I quit after doing some MC but I want to come back. Is there a big barrier after all these months for me to return? Any help or tips would be much appreciated as I'm not really sure anyone will take me into AQ if I have little to no MC gear. Is there a way to catch up?
best bet would be to pug and work your way to get MC or BWL tier gear, either is fine but BWL is better. ZG is decent for non-tier items and pretty easy. there really isnt much catchup gear but you can do the tier 0.5 questline to get some decent pre-raid items though it does cost a bit of gold and takes a decent amount of time
On the set bonuses. I want people to know because you're saying that set bonuses are good. But the rogue tanking (yes I know niche) is one of the worst designs that's ever been released. The 4 set bonus for T2.5 as an example. Sinister strike whilst you have the Main gauche (10s buff 20s CD) will heal you for 10% of damage done. And over healing will give you a blood shield up to 20% max HP. Sounds good right. An average damage sinister strike using Main gauche with wbs does approximately 450 damage. A rogue tank again with world buffs has about 13k health. Now this is where I get really irritated because 2 minutes of maths will show you how truly awful this is for a 4 set bonus. To get a full 20% shield. You need to sinister strike in the MG window. So:- 13000 HP x 0.2 = 2600 max shield. 450 average sinister strike x 0.1 = 45. 2600/45 = 57.7 (58) Let's make the BEST CASE. Say with our new 2 set bonus we cleave every single sinister strike. We need to hit a sinister strike 58/2 = 29 times in an MG window. Let's say we max spam SS in that 10s window and we get on average 7 sinister strikes. That's 4 or more MG windows to get a 20% shield. That's 1 minute 20s of cleave fight. And this fight is going all out to get that shield up. And to get a full shield (we don't know the buff length) you also need to take 0 damage for that 1min 20 fight. And double that for single target. And that's BEST CASE Can anyone here tell me how that is well designed? The rogue tanking discords have looked at logs and approximately 12/(1700ish) rogue tanks use main gauche. This is the second tier they've gone all out runes based towards main gauche. The set bonus dev has made the worst set bonus based around 0.007% of the rogue tanking population. Please can you go and speak to the rogue tanks and get some feedback. Make a set bonus around Riposte maybe? You know. The very specifically rogue TANK ability 🤦 Rant over. I'm just seriously disappointed looking at the tier for rogue. It's insulting how bad it is.
That's unfortunate but there's still time to give them feedback to try to get the set changed. When shadow had a bunch of issues in the past we had a lot of shadow priests go to the forums to talk about our displeasure with how they were tuning shadow priest and I think the devs realized shadow priests didnt want to play some support/dps hybrid that did less damage than tanks anymore. Nothing is final in the first datamine of a ptr
I think we've complained enough over the past year that they are finally starting to understand what players want. I could totally be wrong, but this phase is a step in the right direction imo
Please Blizzard if you read this, nerf Priest Bubbles in Sod. It is not fun for other healers when everything is absorbed and there is no damage coming out to even heal. Why would you make Sod like WOLTK disc priest its the worst idea they have made in sod. Please nerf shields so other healers can actually play and enjoy the game. thank you so much.
i deleted because I felt it wasn't necessary and had very little activity. Was also planning to quit wow entirely though that never happened. For now I'll keep posting in the shadow priest discord but I don't expect to have my own in the future
@@Pants_Gaming damn no worries man. You've been such a great resource for me through the years. Just wanted to pop in your disc and say i got designated first staff and completed embers today! me, an shadowpriest! I owe much of the progress I've made to the videos/guides you've put out. I'll miss asking questions in your disc but just know you helped make one hell of an spriest! all the best in your future endeavors
hell yeah man grats! thats awesome. Idk maybe I'll get back into making videos and have a new discord at some point, but I've been trying to play less wow recently. never say never I guess
I'll be making a Phase 6 guide for shadow priests so keep you eyes open for that in the next few weeks!
I'm super hyped for this phase too. Seems like devs have turned their brains back on haha. Gives me high hopes for naxx phase and potentially even more content like they mentioned
Thank you for this! Really looking forward to the guide!
Hey man never saw your channel before, but im just coming back to SOD. not playing fresh, happy to see content still for SOD so just wanted to say thanks for making this
Thanks for this Video Pants. I was very letdown after the "lack-luster" announcement. But with these more "creative" tier sets makes it actually more fun then a "+2%crit"
i have loved your content since wrath. i was hoping to be rank 1 this last phase but ultimately plans changed. despite that, i'm always inspired by what you bring to the table. thank you for sharing!
i have a clip on my channel where the devs ask this leading question... hmmm i wonder whyyy they are putting in all this work and rework of items in classic.
spriesty luv
Hey pants. Glad to see you after long time. I used to watch your wrath guides and streams, and learned a lot from them. I still watch your SoD videos even though I never played SoD 😄
I have one question I always wanna ask ppl but I don’t know anyone other than you very much. Is honestly still happy with their decision of ignoring Cata and focusing on SoD? Isn’t Cata rwf/speedrunning scene more engaging/exciting than sod? It’s sad that nota is not competing with progress and numen…
Progress is quitting cata for the new fresh servers coming. Cata is kinda dead in the speedrunning scene tbh. We actually just had an internal poll aobut what the future of nota is going to be so idk what the results of that are (we just had it) but the officers are definitely thinking about what the future of the guild is going to be. For me personally, neither new fresh or cata excites me so idk what I'll do if sod ends after naxx
@ oh didn’t know they’re quitting Cata
How cool does this sound as a life long shadow main. Here’s the problem. Sod and cata gonna die in 6 days. Pretty sad because this looks like the most fun version of “classic” shadow I have ever seen with the bonuses. Only thing more fun would be retail shadow. It’s such a shame.
Plenty of people are freshed out. I could never reroll on a 1x server again.
I don't at all think we should be excited for MORE powerful set bonus items. There's a bunch of issues with them that really in my opinion have ruined gearing in classic. 1: Other items get trivialized and incidentally niche items are literally useless because set bonusses are too powerful. 2: I waited 4 weeks to equip literally 7 pieces of gear (Mana Igniting Cord, Ebony Flame Gloves and 5 Tier pieces) Because I had to wait to have the 6th tier piece before my gear actually became better. Winning 7 freaking items and not being able to equip them is an incredibly huge feelsbad moment. 3: You can't swap out of items reliably if there's particular items that are good in a particular fight (namely fire resistance). 4: You actually need to have 6 tier pieces to actually play your full rotation which I think is bad. I do think set bonusses are good and cool, but add more impactful stuff to 2 set bonus instead of making the 6 set so damn strong. The ZG set bonus is cool, and the new AQ set bonus is cool Imo because they don't require so ridiculously many pieces and please don't force me to have 9 freaking cookie cutter pieces of gear that no other item can ever beat in the phase.
No thoughts on losing the 25% damage snapshot from 2-piece T2? I don't see the new set bonus being stronger.
thats for another video
god i wish my guild didnt fall apart and turn to shit cause this looks neat, cool
I have a level 60 shadow priest and I quit after doing some MC but I want to come back. Is there a big barrier after all these months for me to return? Any help or tips would be much appreciated as I'm not really sure anyone will take me into AQ if I have little to no MC gear. Is there a way to catch up?
best bet would be to pug and work your way to get MC or BWL tier gear, either is fine but BWL is better. ZG is decent for non-tier items and pretty easy. there really isnt much catchup gear but you can do the tier 0.5 questline to get some decent pre-raid items though it does cost a bit of gold and takes a decent amount of time
@@Pants_Gaming I have full 0.5 tier gear, so could I go straight to BWL? That would be amazing if so
probably. but your damage would be low compared to other players so make sure you know the mechanics of each fight so you hold your own on each fight
long time no see😭
pants content is so back
On the set bonuses. I want people to know because you're saying that set bonuses are good. But the rogue tanking (yes I know niche) is one of the worst designs that's ever been released.
The 4 set bonus for T2.5 as an example. Sinister strike whilst you have the Main gauche (10s buff 20s CD) will heal you for 10% of damage done. And over healing will give you a blood shield up to 20% max HP.
Sounds good right. An average damage sinister strike using Main gauche with wbs does approximately 450 damage. A rogue tank again with world buffs has about 13k health.
Now this is where I get really irritated because 2 minutes of maths will show you how truly awful this is for a 4 set bonus.
To get a full 20% shield. You need to sinister strike in the MG window. So:-
13000 HP x 0.2 = 2600 max shield.
450 average sinister strike x 0.1 = 45.
2600/45 = 57.7 (58)
Let's make the BEST CASE. Say with our new 2 set bonus we cleave every single sinister strike.
We need to hit a sinister strike 58/2 = 29 times in an MG window.
Let's say we max spam SS in that 10s window and we get on average 7 sinister strikes.
That's 4 or more MG windows to get a 20% shield. That's 1 minute 20s of cleave fight.
And this fight is going all out to get that shield up. And to get a full shield (we don't know the buff length) you also need to take 0 damage for that 1min 20 fight. And double that for single target. And that's BEST CASE
Can anyone here tell me how that is well designed?
The rogue tanking discords have looked at logs and approximately 12/(1700ish) rogue tanks use main gauche. This is the second tier they've gone all out runes based towards main gauche.
The set bonus dev has made the worst set bonus based around 0.007% of the rogue tanking population.
Please can you go and speak to the rogue tanks and get some feedback.
Make a set bonus around Riposte maybe? You know. The very specifically rogue TANK ability 🤦
Rant over. I'm just seriously disappointed looking at the tier for rogue. It's insulting how bad it is.
That's unfortunate but there's still time to give them feedback to try to get the set changed. When shadow had a bunch of issues in the past we had a lot of shadow priests go to the forums to talk about our displeasure with how they were tuning shadow priest and I think the devs realized shadow priests didnt want to play some support/dps hybrid that did less damage than tanks anymore. Nothing is final in the first datamine of a ptr
Blizzard has been disappointing us for years now, there is no doubt that they will mess sod up even more
I think we've complained enough over the past year that they are finally starting to understand what players want. I could totally be wrong, but this phase is a step in the right direction imo
Please Blizzard if you read this, nerf Priest Bubbles in Sod. It is not fun for other healers when everything is absorbed and there is no damage coming out to even heal. Why would you make Sod like WOLTK disc priest its the worst idea they have made in sod. Please nerf shields so other healers can actually play and enjoy the game. thank you so much.
what happened to your discord, Pants?
i deleted because I felt it wasn't necessary and had very little activity. Was also planning to quit wow entirely though that never happened. For now I'll keep posting in the shadow priest discord but I don't expect to have my own in the future
@@Pants_Gaming damn no worries man. You've been such a great resource for me through the years. Just wanted to pop in your disc and say i got designated first staff and completed embers today! me, an shadowpriest! I owe much of the progress I've made to the videos/guides you've put out. I'll miss asking questions in your disc but just know you helped make one hell of an spriest! all the best in your future endeavors
hell yeah man grats! thats awesome. Idk maybe I'll get back into making videos and have a new discord at some point, but I've been trying to play less wow recently. never say never I guess
sorry sod dead next week
i dont expect many people to go and play new new classic fresh for long tbh. but maybe /shrug
What hype? every class is overtuned and the game is too easy. Its fucking boring so easy it is.
then dont play it :)