Discussion of John Gwynne's Wrath (The Faithful and the Fallen, #4) featuring John Gwynne!
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- Опубліковано 10 січ 2025
- Hi y'all! Here it is! A discussion on the fourth and final book in The Faithful and the Fallen series written by John Gwynne. Today, we have a special guest: John Gwynne himself! Yes, we've been keeping this a secret for a while, and we're so honored to have John Gwynne participating in the discussion and giving his irreplaceable insights on the series!
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One of my favorite series. John Gwynne is a must read! Loved this series of videos. Truly heartbreaking the tragedy that has befallen him. He’s in my prayers. I hope he writes many more books, but if he retires he will be one of my favorites.
Truly one of the best series of all time. Thank you so much for tuning in. My thoughts are always with the Gwynne family. That kind of tragic event shouldn't happen to them or anyone.
Thank you, Petrik, for hosting this awesome discussion! It was such an honor and a pleasure to speak with John Gwynne about his amazing series. Also, I'm so grateful to you, Abby, Allen, and Alex for enriching my experience of The Faithful and the Fallen. Having these discussions about the books is what BookTube is all about for me. My thanks to you all!
Thank you, Philip! The feeling is mutual! I'm especially thankful because you're the one who started this collaboration idea!! 😄
I had read the Faithful and The Fallen and I had watched every single convo you had guys but this one gotta be my favourite becuz the legend himself John Gwynne was in ! Thank you Petrik for hosting this and recommending me this awesome series !
TRUTH AND COURAGE !
Glad you had a great time watching this! This was a blast from the past. Truth and Courage!!
Whoa, I've never heard John Gwynne speak! I actually hadn't realized he was British. He looks a bit like Kratos and sounds a bit like Harry Potter. What a delightful surprise. He seems a very humble and kind man. A huge inspiration to me as someone who wants to write my first fantasy series.
Physically Kratos but sounds like Harry Potter is such a great description for John Gwynne. 🤣🤣🤣 But yeah, he's great! Both as a person and writer!
Just finished the Faithful and the Fallen a week ago and i was smiling through this whole interview, John Gwynne seems like such a cool dude!
Thanks for tuning in! John Gwynne is a great storyteller and person. Truth and Courage!
John Gwynne is a class act. And a hell of a writer.
Wholeheartedly agreed! 😊
Thanks so much to all of you for including me and huge thanks to John Gwynne! This whole thing was super fun!
You're welcome, Allen! Thanks for joining all the discussion. This was so fun!! Looking forward to more chat in the future!! 😄
Except you didn't have your book. There's always one slacker in the class right Petrick! Haha
@@bmoneybby i know right!? C'mon Allen!!! 🤣
Thank you Petrik for hosting! I have loved discussing these books with you, Allen, Philip, Alex and now John Gwynne himself. Definitely a highlight of my time on booktube!
You're welcome, Abby! Thank you so much to you, too! 😊 It's definitely one of my highlights as well!
When you don't get invited to the big kid's table... :(
I feel ya Mike
Sorry, Mike!! We should do one featuring Joe Abercrombie (if he wants to...) in the future. 😆
Many months later, and I've finished Wrath, and I knew that John Gwynne was a real one, not just because of the writing of amazing books but because of the Batman mug.
Hahaha! That's a fair reasoning. I can't fault that! 😂
TRUTH AND COURAGE!! This was so much fun to watch. You guys are the best!
Ed
Thank you so much, brother!! Truth and Courage!!!!
I just finished this series, and what a ride it was.
One thing that's not talked about much is John's depiction of the afterlife. The Bridge of Swords was a genius idea, and it made me tear up a bit when one of the characters crosses the bridge.
Such a great series, I need a day off reading to take it all in.
Yeah... seeing that character meeting two of his most cherished people again was... 🥲
@Petrik Leo Yes, it was.
Also, I've read many of your reviews on goodreads and you have a great passion for books.
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@@djbogz1921 i am! Books and stories are a huge part of me. 😁 Thank you for subscribing!
Great discussion. I just finished Wrath and this video was the next thing I watched
Thank you so much! 😃
Thanks so much for hosting this Petrik! So much appreciation for you all for this collaboration and I look forward to more. Thank you of COURSE to John Gwynne himself for joining us for this chat. TRUTH AND COURAGE!
You're welcome! Let's make more happen! Truth and Courage, Alex!!! 😄
I'm kind of sad that this series discussion is now over. Thanks for a wonderful experience reliving it with you all again!
I know right? It would've been great if you could partcipate in it, too! 😄
Old Wolf.. Old Wolf..Old Wolf...Old Wolf! ✊ This was amazing guys!! Thanks to all of you for doing this collab! I only just finished Wrath a few days ago so this is all still so fresh in my mind! 😉
What a great series guys and what an ending, so emotional. I cried at a certain scene near the end....so powerful and bitter sweet as well!!
Well there were several in fact! 😭
John Gwynne is such a genuinely lovely person. Just hearing about his life and his family makes you love him even more as a person.
Also he lives like just over an hour drive from me in Sussex England. 😮😊 In the past ive actually walked in the hills or downs not far from where does his reenactment I think 🧐
Big thanks again to you Petrik and Abby for making me pick up this series originally. I'm now going to take a break for a bit but will continue with his next trilogy and Shadow Of The Gods at some point soon. Truth And Courage!! ✊⚔
Hey Zam! Thank you so much for the kind words! You're so welcome, and I'm truly pleased that you loved this series that much! John Gwynne is a nice person, you should visit him once in a while to get your copies signed! 😄
What a genuinely, lovely, humble man John Gwynne is. Loved all his books and very excited for Shadow of the Gods next month.
A humble author + great storyteller = amazing combo! 😊
I have absolutely loved watching you all discuss the Faithful and the fallen the past four months. It was something I looked forward to. You all brought something different to the group discussions and it was so much fun and interesting to watch!
Thank you so much for watching all of our discussion! It means a lot to us! 😊
John Gwynne is such a great author and easily one of my favorites. I enjoy listening to him talk about his life and writing process just as much as his books. Makes me want to sit around a campfire all night getting to know his story even more. Great discussion.
Wouldnt that be so good? I would love to join that kind of campfire chat! 😄
43:38 - The battle scenes probe cam, I particularly felt that with Haeleun and the Draige egg as he led them into the battle, then we have that key moment as a clear time stamp with Nathair, Veradis and Maquin, which I thought was really well done.
John Gwynne is a master at battle scenes. I never get bored reading his battle scenes, and I agree that the scene you mentioned was superbly done! :)
So fantastic! Nice job with the moderation, Petrik. And hearing everyone’s thoughts was so fun. Seeing people who are so passionate about the books they love is the best 🥰
Thank you so much, Sarah!! It was so fun chatting about this series with people who really loved it, and having John giving his thoughts and writing process, too, is a huge plus! 😊
13:48 - yes the 2nd destroying moment was that and I enjoyed that end too. Love them both 💗
Glad you agreed!
This. Is. Awesome! I have loved these discussions for all four books, and what a treat to get to hear from John Gwynne himself! I don’t have other people in my life right now reading these books, so being able to hear thoughts and opinions has been a neat way pseudo buddy read these :) Wonderful books and awesome people-thanks you guys!
Thank you so much for watching our discussions!! 😊 I totally understand that feeling of not having anyone in real life reading the same books we do! 😅
I just booked time off work for the release date of The Shadow of the Gods. I haven't been this excited for a book release in years.
It's Vikings inspired, too! You're going to love it!! 😊
My favorite was ruin. Corban killing Sumar was my favorite scene in the series.
That was one of the best duel I've ever read in novels. Incredible sequences! 😁
@@PetrikLeo agreed.
Two characters I enjoyed, but think you won't mention as they are not POV, one i love her arc and growth and the other I feel I am the only one flying her flag; Edana and Trigg.
Edana I love how she grew into her role her relationship with Camlin and how she has emerged as a Queen. I loved her getting battle tactics and the Morcant execution was very satisfying.
Trigg broke my heart she was a tragic character and I really hope would get her name cleared. I felt invested in her as this outsider who no one trusted but they had sort of taken in bit did not understand. I really liked her friendship with Haeleun and wanted them to find each other in the Forrest. The way she was not believed hurt and I could see why she made the big mistake she did, which hurt more. I was so pleased to see her in Wrath find Haeleun again and want to make amends for what she did.
I wanted her named Cywen gets the info credit and I wanted Heuluen to name his "friend" that bought Corban's makeshift etc back. I wanted Wulf and the clan to know she did not betray them. Yes she had a Chou e and she acknowledged it was a bad choice but her "you were so quick to believe I would betray you all" was so sad. Our treatment of people Influences the choices they make. Tragic side story but one I really cared about and keep thinking back to.
Edana is a superb character. Her development from the beginning of the series to Wrath felt so organic! I also agree that Gwynne's characterization of Trigg was well done. Well, for all of his characters, but yeah. Trigg pissed me off when she betrayed everyone but seeing that she tried to make amends for what she did was nice. I'm glad you loved these two characters, too!
@@PetrikLeo there are just so many to talk about!
1:00:01 - oooh very exciting book prospects!
Also not to self pre-order Hunger of the Gods!
Yessss do that! 😁
On it! Book shops have now got who has signed copies etc so I can choose the best 😉
Still my favorite series of all time!
Yeahhhh Truth and Courage!!!
Wow the man himself .. John Gwynne ! . My fav book tubers and John Gwynne, awesome stuff 👌. Wrath was an amazing final novel to one of my all time favorite series . Truth & Courage!!
Thank you so much, Charles!! Wrath is one of my favorite books of all time, too! 😊
25:00...how did I not see it? I've read Screwtape a dozen times. And yep, he's totally Screwtape. Right down to playing the prophecy to encourage evil.
3:49 - yes Allen that was my favourite scene too, that pay off was so satisfying. I air punched and wanted to run down my street whooping to tell everyone how incredible this was.
Love this series
truth and courage
Truth and Courage!! 🤩
Just finished Wrath.. Omg wat a series.. Awesome. Emotional.. Loved it.. Especially in these crazy time we're going through.. ⚔️🐺
Glad you loved it! Truth and Courage! 😄
This series has such well written villian characters
Agreed. Not only the protagonists but also the antagonists!
Thank you all of you for doing this! I just finished wrath the other night. I binged the whole series through April and May and oh my goodness!! So good! THANK YOU for doing these videos. All of the discussion videos added so much to my reading experience and Allan’s emotion was similar to mine in many cases! You all are awesome! And thank you Mr. Gwynne for writing these characters and this story
You're welcome!! Thank you so much for the kind words! And I'm speaking for everyone that we're pleased you enjoyed the journey! 😄 Truth and Courage!
Truth and courage!
Just finished this book, what a series, truly enjoyable!
Truth and Courage!! 😊
This was an absolute delight! I am so glad that John Gwynne was able to join you all for this discussion - I will never get tired of listening to him chat about his work =]
We're grateful, and thank you so much for watching our discussion! :)
Finished Wrath a couple of days before,and yes,I agree with all of you,this series is wonderful,a hidden gem of fantasy genre.Gwynne is now for me right up there with Sanderson.I will preorder everything he puts out.Also,what a nice guy,he deserve to be more recognised for his work.
P.S.John Gwynne:''I was never to kill Storm'',what a relief,after beginning Ruin and till the end of Wrath I was afraid of that happening.
Yesss! You finished it. It's pretty epic and amazing isn't it!? One of my favorite conclusion to a series. And yeah! That's why I've been shouting about his work for years now!! :)
Thanks for posting this Petrik. What a nice surprise!
You're welcome, Alex!! Took a while to arrange this surprise, but glad we're able to do it! 😊
Can't wait to read more of John's books. Great discussion.
Thank you, I hope you'll love them all! 😊
@@PetrikLeo maybe when I've wrapped up on Red Queen's War and Gentleman Bastard I'll be jumping back into the Banished Lands
Omg can't believe you got John Gwynne!!! Really have to catch up with his books!❤️
Thank you so much, Ellyn!!! So difficult to arrange this, but so worth it! 😊
@@PetrikLeo v impressive and love to watch!❤️
Awesome vid folks - not many people I know have heard of John’s amazing books, so it’s awesome to jump on here and feel like I’m being a part of this great conversation
Great work all round
Thank you for watching and being part of the conversation, Dan! And The Shadow of the Gods is out today in the US!! Chop chop! :D
@@PetrikLeo it came out yesterday here in New Zealand, already a 3rd of the way through - so good!!
Awesome video! The Faithful and the Fallen is one of my all time favorite series. I am looking forward to eventually reading the rest of John Gwynne's work!
Thank you so much, Landon! I agree with you of course. I hope you'll love Of Blood and Bone and Shadow of the Gods!
Wow, what a fitting way to end this series with a guest appearance from the man himself, John Gwynne! What a brilliant series he has written and your group has done a great service in recommending it to the fantasy community.
Thank you so much, Adam! We're grateful to have Gwynne's appearance in this, and that we cpuld help more readers read this series! 😄
Getting me so excited talking about Shadow of the God's as not long until Hunger comes out!😃
I'm so excited about The Hunger of the Gods! You'll love The Shadow of the Gods! 😁
@@PetrikLeo yes I do love shadow of the God's! It was my first Gwynne on shelf-space book club. I am wanting to re-read it before Hunger, and i think I will love it even more on a re-read because I can take my time instead of rushing as though my readubg speed is related to the action running with my mental shield hoping people don't die! (Which they do 😢)
Truth and courage!!!!! This is so cool
Truth and Courage!!! 🥳
Really great discussion everyone! John Gwynne is so wholesome i just want to hug him 😊❤
Thank you so much, Janna! He's indeed so wholesome and respectable! 😊
Awesome to see everyone's reaction, I finished this series years ago and easily my favorite series. Seeing everyone's reaction to the series has been refreshing. Camlen (I think that's how you spell it, it's been a minute), and Maquin were my favorite characters for sure
Such an amazing series! Just talking about it makes me want to reread them again! I'm glad you loved them that much, too! :D
Recently finished Wrath. Man this series was a blast from start to finish.
One of the best series out there! Glad you loved it, too! 😊
@@PetrikLeo definitely gonna read it again next year, as well as Of Blood and Bone.
18:48 my comments ate basically going to be yes me too 😆
Spoiler
I was unsure if Nathair was going to switch sides or have a moment of redemption, maybe through dying: going out doing something like killing Calidius.
I loved all the scenes between Veradis and Nathair. And the final moment when Veradis kills him was very emotionally satisfying. I am glad Alycon could comfort his emotional turmoil.
I completely agree! It was also heartbreaking to see Veradis killing Nathair. Veradis really wanted to serve and be his best friend, but he's just too far gone. :/
@@PetrikLeo was close to tears at that point, but I saved them all for Ban and Gar😭😭😭
26:56 - "Rafe has a million choices not to be garbage" 🤣
But he still chose to be garbage 😂
@@PetrikLeo such a great line from Alex - I will now Think of Rafe as Garbage-Rafe 😆
This was such an awesome discussion! Love that John Gwynne was with you guys too! XD
P.S: I'm only 10 minutes in but it's already great. *lol*
Thank you!! It took some time arranging it, but it's so worth it! 😊
i have just finished Wrath wowee what a ride 😊 I loved the books the story telling and the world he built was just beautiful work of art, I loved the twists in the story and how all the characters had so many layers and for me only the best fantasy authors can produce that amount of emotion as he did with his characters. I might be in the minority but my fav book was valour, especially for a second book in the series so much emotion and at the end he hit us with so many big moments plus ..."I'll not be killing you, my brother.not this day not ever" was one the greatest lines ever written he had convinced me he was going to kill Orgull!
I think if the books got adaptation to big or small screen this could be one of the best cinematography events we have ever seen , I was just imagining lykos face when it looked like he was winning middle of huge battle ...and then you see wedge of men coming towards him 1 man at the front him killing everything in their path heading straight for him and then he hears the chant old wolf from the men! it would epically awe inspring, be like the end of last samurai or bravheart moment but maybe even better. The end of the wrath had such a warm feeling like love and family but not just your blood kin but the people we pick up along the way and the bonds that form .
Glad you loved the series that much. Honestly, no matter which book in the series you pick as your favorite, it would be valid. Each book has their own strength, and I loved the line you spotlighted so much. This is the kind of series that has the potential to work so well being adapted. I hope that day will come. Truth and Courage!
12:04 - yes Alex, Abby and Allen the coming full circle, missing the setup and have the emotional moment was beautiful. SPILOER
SPOILER
I thought both Gar and Corban were dead at the end of their chapters, everyine coming in for a group death hug was highly emotional, Calidius being fed to something in the other world was satisfying. Then Corban returning having his moment with Gar just destroyed me it was BEAUTIFUL and I loved it!
Gar being dead is still one of the saddest moments I've ever read :')
This wonderful! Thanks :)
You're welcome! Thanks for watching!! 😊
Just finished wrath yesterday I really enjoyed it 🤗😊
Yesssss!!! Truth and Courage!!! 😁
No one mentioned Legion 😞😂 but great discussion y'all! Super hyped for Shadow of the Gods 🖤
Oh my god, Legion was hilarious. We forgot to mention him on this video! 🤣
@@PetrikLeo I found it hilarious that even Calidus was getting annoyed by Legion lol
Hi Petrik! I just finished reading the Faithful and the Fallen quartet, and what a treat it was watching you discuss Wrath with the Boss himself. Thank you very much for the respect you gave the series along with your booktube friends, if not for you guys I don't think I would have been acquainted with Corban's motley crew. While waiting for my Blood and Bone trilogy to arrive, do you have any suggestions among these choices of books for me to read while that stash is coming? 1. Heroes Die 2. Malefiscent Seven 3.Best Served Cold 4. Scourge of the Betrayer
Thanks!
That's so wonderful to hear, Element! Wrath was sooo amazing, and I'm so glad you loved it, too. I hope Of Blood and Bone trilogy will arrive to your place ASAP! From your list, I'll choose either Heroes Die or Best Served Cold!
Finished wrath today, now I feel I am finally allowed to shout TRUTH AND COURAGE on the internet!
Not only on the internet, but everywhere. TRUTH AND COURAGE!!!
WHHHAAAT?!... definitely excited for this.
Yesssss!!! 😄
Corban killing calidus' soul was awesome.
Totally. One of the best scenes from the book! 😃
And massive yes to how satisfying Lykos death was and Maquin getting closure from it - to the point I am actually feeling concerned about my self with how bloodthirsty and torturous I wanted it to be.
I totally understand that, I felt like Lykos deserve a much bloodier and worse death for all the things he did. But this will have to do, for now, I doubt anything could make me fully satisfied anyway. What an evil dude! xD
@@PetrikLeo 😆😆😆😆 eaten alive by ants is pretty horrific to be fair. I think he was top of the list to die horribly for everyine. He has not been toppled from Villain I love to hate yet.
John Gwyne is a king 👑 finishing wrath now and it’s one of my favourite series of all time now.
Yeahh! One of the kings of fantasy, imo! Truth and Courage! 😄
Hi group Gwynne. A great ending to an awesome series. My favorite is the third book. It would be great to have a short story about corban and a partners in life after the war. Truth and courage🐺⚔🛡
Truth and Courage! Hopefully that standalone novel will appear one day! 😄
@@PetrikLeo Standalone novel would be a dream come true🤩
I love this series
Same here. One of my top favorite series of all time! 😊
Now is the time to write that Corban standalone .
Oh man that would be amazing!
I have literally finished Wrath - I have bothered Abby with all my thought as I was reading as there are no readalongs or anyone to talk to about it. I am a mess and have immediately come here for closure! Thanks in advance everyone. This has been a ride! I am grieving I am highly satisfied, I am excited for my favourites and I am still processing everything!
Wrath is still my favorite book by John Gwynne to this day. You're so welcome. I'm glad this video could help you a bit! :)
@@PetrikLeo it helped alot, closure was achieved 😃 and hunger if the God's has now been pre-ordered 😃
Leaving it several months but will be back leaving late comments all over the Blood and Bone Videos...any chance you will do Bloodsworm Saga live show?
Only 8 minutes in but i already know this will be awesome 👌
Thank you! I hope you'll enjoy the rest of the video! 😊
I did but i did not want it to end 😂. Very cool conversation. Can't wait to read the new novel.
Best moment is the final resolution with what happens to Camlin truth and courage
Truth and Courage!!! So many amazing moments in this book! 🥲
Maquin and Fidele to the eternity
Love them both so much! 😊
This is insane!!!
It is!!! 😄
Hey Petrik, just wanted to mention that your links to the previous discussions are broken. Thanks for the video, cheers.
Thanks for letting me know, Jonathan! No idea how that happened, but should be fixed now! 😊
@@PetrikLeo Glad you got my comment, my previous comments with updated links seemed to be deleted automatically. Regardless, John Gwynne is a really cool dude and it's cool to see you guys get him in on the discussion.
Full disclaimer though, I haven't read the series yet (just not enough time for me) so I just watch the short non-spoiler talk which I'm glad you include.
Cheers.
Stand alone with Corban? YEAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!
Yeah!!! Let's hope that day comes sooner than later! 😄
John Gwyne is the man!
Hear hear!!!
DREM is the coolest!!!!
I LOVE Drem!! 😄
@@PetrikLeo I’m getting ready to start a time of Blood.
@@AndrewsWizardlyReads yesss Truth and Courage!!
@@PetrikLeo Truth and Courage!
No Dislikes.... As it's supposed to be 👍
Whoa that's true!! The power of the bright stars!!
Craf clever...
@@markaguilar2186 😂😂
Trust an American to pronounce Jael and Fidele completely wrong 🤣
😂