I remember getting some packs of Future Sight years ago and I pulled one of those "junk rare" Goyfs that just got thrown into a binder / forgotten about. Well, when I came back to MTG more seriously again, Dragon's Maze had been out for a while and Theros was just around the corner. Long story short, was able to unload that for so much more money I felt like a bandit finding lost treasure!
can we get a graphic of the card in the middle of the screen? like large enough to read for the people who haven't memorized all the cards? every other channel has viewable card windows when they talk about it. get it together
Honorable mention to Masticore. In Destiny it was a junk rare and you could scoop up a vendor's entire inventory for less than a dollar a piece. Then Mercadian Masques came out and with it brought Squee, Goblin Nabob. Out of nowhere every single deck in standard had 4 masticore and 4 squee (along with 4 rishadan ports) and the masticore went from $1 to $20 instantly!
Scott Lewis I agree. I myself would like to add Stoneforge Mystic. Nobody cared. Then slowly Legacy started fetching Jitte and Sword Fire Ice. Then, one day, BAM! BATTERSKULL.
Fetchlands were around when Goyf was released, not in standard but they were a thing in extended and as soon as Goyf became a thing it became a staple in extended. It was 20$ for quite a while.
I totally agree on number 1. I remember buying a set of LEDs in 2003 for 10$ and doing one of the first legacy tournaments the next year surprising everyone with Iggy pop. A fantastic deck!
I remember at the regionals right after Future Sight came out, I traded a set of Leyline of the Void for a set of Tarmogoyfs for a friend who was playing zoo. Unfortunately, that player quit playing one day and I never got them back, which wasn't a big deal based on their value at the time, but looking back now...
I started Magic back in 2005 when I randomly went with my friends to Gen Con. Among all the random "junk" cards my friend gave me as starter cards were two, yes TWO, Glimpse of Natures! lol
Can you please make the pictures of the cards a bit bigger (at least when you first mention them)? They're currently too small to read and it's annoying to have to pause the video and look up a card just to know what's being talked about.
6: Painter was recognized as broken from day one. Dream Halls became unrestricted at the same time and there was a Vintage deck running around running them together. I am not 100% sure; but I may have been the one who invented that deck. I built it on MWS and Apprentice with great results and posted a primer on MTG Salvation. Mind you it was a while before it broke in other formats. 5: Locally Goyf was recognized as broken day one. It was a $10 card at our store pretty much right out the gate. It never occurred to me oddly that it may be not seen as such elsewhere. If I had even thought I could have gotten it for $1 online; I would have immediately bought every one I could. I was living in Belleville, Ontario at the time. Honorable mention to Lotus/Mox. Believe it or not; but before the game really caught on they were considered trash. Moxes were not much better than lands and I know people who traded Lotuses for sets of Dark Rituals.
definitely expected Stoneforge Mystic to be on this list. It was a $1 rare until Scars of Mirrodin came out, and now it's been banned in modern since the format existed. It even received the standard ban.
Makes you wonder what cards would be on this list in the future. Right now there's a garbage card sitting in junk piles everywhere that we're all going to kick ourselves for not noticing until it was too late.
Brainstorm, Karakas, Blood Moon. Back in the 90's all those cards were severely under valued with Brainstorm being a throw-away common in Ice Age, Karakas being a legendary plains until Lin Sivvi came out and Blood Moon worth less than Preacher and Ball Lightning in "The Dark". They would be my honourable mentions.
Late comment. Nightveil spectre wasn’t considered a bad card before theros was out. It just didn’t have a deck. Most of the cards on this list were unplayable janky garbage when first printed
Couldn't you always combine Lions Eye diamond with something like timetwister or wheel of fortune? Even if you're not going for a storm play it still seems like it had some utility.
Wow I can't believe that people thought Glimpse of Nature was a trash card. I saw value in it right away when I pulled it up on tcgplayer just now. Maybe because it reminds me of a card in yugioh that could end your opponents turn as soon as you drop it. That card is Maxx C incase anyone wanted to know. Though it plays way more like a Resupply Squad, also another very good card.
Cards that should have been on the list or honorable mentions: Pack Rat/Nightveil Specter/Desecration Demon till Theros came out Time Vault went from Treasure to Trash to Treasure to Trash to Treasure with every Oracle update. Sword of the Meek till Thopter Foundry came out Illusions of Grandeur till Donate came out Brainstorm till Fetchlands came out Amulet of Vigor till it was discovered Earthcraft till Squirrels Nest came out Invigorate till Infect
Brainstorm was, and always has been a broken card. Any sort of shuffle mechanic, makes it better than intended, and shuffle clauses have been around since tempest.
Brainstorm is only $1 because its been reprinted quite a few times. Now imagine everyset since Futuresight had Goyf at rare. Goyf would still be powerful, but only worth about $.25
Hi. Not sure if this message will get read by the people who could make this change, but please can the card size be larger? I struggle every time i watch this, in particular on my phone. Many Thanks. Great content as always.
yeah, i remember when nobody gave a shit about tarmagoyf. as a matter of fact, many years ago, i found one under the base of my kitchen table while cleaning. just sitting there like a piece of trash. then i come to find out it's like 80-100 bucks at that time. it was like finding a 100-dollar bill in my pants pocket while doing laundry lol
Where in the world is Time Vault? I guess it was treasure, then trash, then treasure again, so maybe it doesn't count, but the various erratas have made it unplayable and great at different times.
Where the hack is SCAPESHIFT, that thing was about 1 Dollar before Valakut came out :D I was so angry, whenever I pulled it, back in the days, when I baught random-booster-packs as a kid, because it was totally useless...and just recently I digged them up from my trash-rares and sold 3 copies, those 3 made me more money then I spent on magic back when the card came out xD
5:01 Cheon, turn 1 Dark Ritual into Necro was *actively* *bad*. It's one thing to make that play in Vintage, Legacy, or Cube, where you can't throw a rock without hitting a blue spell that has the words "draw" and "cards" in it. It's quite another to make that play in Type II, in 1996, when the best fixing is allied painlands, and the only other card draw in the Necro deck is Drain Life. No, the right play is to force one-for-one trades with your opening 7, play Necro into a pair of empty hands, and use it to refill.
Off the top of my head: 1. LED 2. Bazaar of Bagdhad 3. Force of Will 4. Phyrexian Dreadnaught 5. Natural Order 6. Splinter Twin 7. Grindstone 8. Summer Bloom
I don't remember a time since at least antiquities when Bazaar of Baghdad was less valuable than Dual Lands were. Does not belong on the list. Outside of Library it was the most valuable land for quite some time. Was years before even Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale surpassed it in price. Tabernacle doesn't belong on the list either, yet it belongs on this list more than Bazaar does.
Speculating on trash cards on Magic Online is the way to go, since most trash rares are literally 1 cent theses days, maybe 2 cents if it has some fringe use. If you think a cards is gonna be used at some point at all, you can buy 1000 of them for about 15 tix, and even if it only goes up to 3 bucks, well you can do the math. plus they can be instantly bought and sold from bots. IRL the min for a crap rares is about 10 cents, and the buy/sell process can be excruciating in large numbers.
Bazaar was never worth less than 50 bucks or so except during a time period when all those old cards were. It got unrestricted, that's what created the price bump. People started playing worldgorger. That's a dumb pick, it's like putting ancestral vision on the list because it got unbanned in modern. Stoneforge should have been in that spot. The rest of the list was very good though.
I bought a Lion's Eye Diamond from Yahoo Auctions (back when it had an auction site for US buyers) for 50 cents, I bid exactly 50 cents, no one else bid on it, and I won it for 50 cents, I played it in a single vintage deck 5 years after I bought it and never played it again, sold it a few years later for what I thought was an insane amount ($20) before it got stupid expensive. I still think it's highly overrated, it only works in very specific situations and you basicly have to build your deck around it, so I just don't see why people go so crazy for this card.
I feel like moxes would be on this list. First reaction to seeing moxes is "it's just like a land" and not that impressed. I'd say it didn't take insanely long before people realized they're better than that, but moxes are still cards that went from "This is basically a land" to power 9, most broken cards in magic status.
Stoneforge Mystic has got to be on the list, right? I don't think top 3 but I'm predicting it's top 8 for sure. Extremely marginalised through ZEN. Then comes Scars and boom. Banned.
List starts at 6:00. You're welcome.
do a treasure to trash list I'm interested
Every has-been Standard staple that doesn't see play in Modern or Legacy
Sabby Smith siege rhino!
Sabby Smith also splinter twin
Sarkhan the Dragonspeaker - $40 to $2
Sabby Smith smuggler
Who is president and CEO of Channel Fireball again?
JOOOOOOOOHHHHNNNNNNN CEEEEEEENNNNNNNAAAAAA
Storm Crow
I think his name is LSV
i had cutout knees in middle school. im now 33.
Eh okay?
gherrin I was worried about your health until I noticed that man's fashion choices.
I remember getting some packs of Future Sight years ago and I pulled one of those "junk rare" Goyfs that just got thrown into a binder / forgotten about. Well, when I came back to MTG more seriously again, Dragon's Maze had been out for a while and Theros was just around the corner. Long story short, was able to unload that for so much more money I felt like a bandit finding lost treasure!
can we get a graphic of the card in the middle of the screen? like large enough to read for the people who haven't memorized all the cards? every other channel has viewable card windows when they talk about it. get it together
i bought so many tarmogoyf for $3 back in alara!!! and sold them for about 50, god the price of this card shot the hell up
Erick Sandoval I could kick myself for offloading them when I opened my boxes of future sight. they didn't go in my dralnu deck so I got rid of them.
Top 8 cards that appear in the most Top 8s
Honorable mention to Masticore. In Destiny it was a junk rare and you could scoop up a vendor's entire inventory for less than a dollar a piece. Then Mercadian Masques came out and with it brought Squee, Goblin Nabob. Out of nowhere every single deck in standard had 4 masticore and 4 squee (along with 4 rishadan ports) and the masticore went from $1 to $20 instantly!
Scott Lewis I agree. I myself would like to add Stoneforge Mystic. Nobody cared. Then slowly Legacy started fetching Jitte and Sword Fire Ice. Then, one day, BAM! BATTERSKULL.
Bazaar got used with Squee as a draw engine in Vintage sometimes. (Gorger combo being the most common.) There were also occasionally uses with Stax.
UA-cam randomly serves me this video and I can confidently say lantern is back with Urzas Saga.
Fetchlands were around when Goyf was released, not in standard but they were a thing in extended and as soon as Goyf became a thing it became a staple in extended. It was 20$ for quite a while.
I totally agree on number 1. I remember buying a set of LEDs in 2003 for 10$ and doing one of the first legacy tournaments the next year surprising everyone with Iggy pop. A fantastic deck!
Was surprised not to see Tabernacle, Horizon Canopy and Blood Moon.
I remember at the regionals right after Future Sight came out, I traded a set of Leyline of the Void for a set of Tarmogoyfs for a friend who was playing zoo. Unfortunately, that player quit playing one day and I never got them back, which wasn't a big deal based on their value at the time, but looking back now...
I started Magic back in 2005 when I randomly went with my friends to Gen Con. Among all the random "junk" cards my friend gave me as starter cards were two, yes TWO, Glimpse of Natures! lol
Does anyone have a link to a video of the Pro Tour Berlin finals?
Can you please make the pictures of the cards a bit bigger (at least when you first mention them)? They're currently too small to read and it's annoying to have to pause the video and look up a card just to know what's being talked about.
6: Painter was recognized as broken from day one. Dream Halls became unrestricted at the same time and there was a Vintage deck running around running them together. I am not 100% sure; but I may have been the one who invented that deck. I built it on MWS and Apprentice with great results and posted a primer on MTG Salvation. Mind you it was a while before it broke in other formats.
5: Locally Goyf was recognized as broken day one. It was a $10 card at our store pretty much right out the gate. It never occurred to me oddly that it may be not seen as such elsewhere. If I had even thought I could have gotten it for $1 online; I would have immediately bought every one I could. I was living in Belleville, Ontario at the time.
Honorable mention to Lotus/Mox. Believe it or not; but before the game really caught on they were considered trash. Moxes were not much better than lands and I know people who traded Lotuses for sets of Dark Rituals.
Brainstorm should have been an honorable mention. It was a joke when it was printed. The monetary value isn't there, hence the HM
I knew LED was going to be on the list!
Was Time Vault ok at first? I always assumed that card was ass until key was printed.
Anyone have footage of LSV playing elves at the Pro Tour with Glimpse?
Just look for pt Berlin 2008 and he'll pop up. Old school Vargas. I'm very glad he got fit.
Wow thanks, im about to sell off my collection from back in the day... and i have a box of lions eye diamonds lol....
Stoneforge Mystic. Man, there are so many.
definitely expected Stoneforge Mystic to be on this list. It was a $1 rare until Scars of Mirrodin came out, and now it's been banned in modern since the format existed. It even received the standard ban.
i wish they would link to these tournaments they talk about.
As someone who deals with audio, get those mics taped down. Use gaffers tape or 2nd skin. It'll stop the noise from the mics bouncing around.
No Scapeshift? Weird.
Alex Cruz I was thinking the same thing!!!!
I actually really like the card Trash For Treasure. Big fan of Reshape as well :D
It's no surprise that Tinker is my favorite deck of all time lol.
Love that card in Old School and Commander.
I know this is a stupid question but what is the name for twitch stream.
"Any time you go back and watch footage [of pro tour berlin]..."
Good luck doing that. WotC took down the YT vods and the webcast server is dead.
Makes you wonder what cards would be on this list in the future. Right now there's a garbage card sitting in junk piles everywhere that we're all going to kick ourselves for not noticing until it was too late.
Really expecting Nightveil specter to be on this list, but low. Man they went ham quick
The tarmagoyf stories were top tier
Brainstorm, Karakas, Blood Moon. Back in the 90's all those cards were severely under valued with Brainstorm being a throw-away common in Ice Age, Karakas being a legendary plains until Lin Sivvi came out and Blood Moon worth less than Preacher and Ball Lightning in "The Dark". They would be my honourable mentions.
No Nightveil Spectre? From junk rare to most played creature in standard.
Late comment. Nightveil spectre wasn’t considered a bad card before theros was out. It just didn’t have a deck. Most of the cards on this list were unplayable janky garbage when first printed
Couldn't you always combine Lions Eye diamond with something like timetwister or wheel of fortune? Even if you're not going for a storm play it still seems like it had some utility.
Someone played both Gisela and Bruna against me at the prerelease. They never assembled Brisela though
Wow I can't believe that people thought Glimpse of Nature was a trash card. I saw value in it right away when I pulled it up on tcgplayer just now. Maybe because it reminds me of a card in yugioh that could end your opponents turn as soon as you drop it. That card is Maxx C incase anyone wanted to know. Though it plays way more like a Resupply Squad, also another very good card.
Cards that should have been on the list or honorable mentions:
Pack Rat/Nightveil Specter/Desecration Demon till Theros came out
Time Vault went from Treasure to Trash to Treasure to Trash to Treasure with every Oracle update.
Sword of the Meek till Thopter Foundry came out
Illusions of Grandeur till Donate came out
Brainstorm till Fetchlands came out
Amulet of Vigor till it was discovered
Earthcraft till Squirrels Nest came out
Invigorate till Infect
One of my friend play Dark Dept in EDH and pay the 30 mana for it.
The fact the brainstorm and wasteland are not on this list is just foolish... it's not like they are obscure and could be overlooked...
Brainstorm was, and always has been a broken card.
Any sort of shuffle mechanic, makes it better than intended, and shuffle clauses have been around since tempest.
Brainstorm is only $1 because its been reprinted quite a few times.
Now imagine everyset since Futuresight had Goyf at rare. Goyf would still be powerful, but only worth about $.25
LED has to be number 1 right?
:)
Exactly my thoughts, Chandelabra and LED had to be on this list :D
Hi. Not sure if this message will get read by the people who could make this change, but please can the card size be larger? I struggle every time i watch this, in particular on my phone. Many Thanks. Great content as always.
yeah, i remember when nobody gave a shit about tarmagoyf. as a matter of fact, many years ago, i found one under the base of my kitchen table while cleaning. just sitting there like a piece of trash. then i come to find out it's like 80-100 bucks at that time. it was like finding a 100-dollar bill in my pants pocket while doing laundry lol
Before watching, Goyf and LED should definitely be up there.
Where in the world is Time Vault? I guess it was treasure, then trash, then treasure again, so maybe it doesn't count, but the various erratas have made it unplayable and great at different times.
I was also surprised at the lack of Chandelabra of Tawnos, that card was utter shite until they printed High Tide :D
Where the hack is SCAPESHIFT, that thing was about 1 Dollar before Valakut came out :D I was so angry, whenever I pulled it, back in the days, when I baught random-booster-packs as a kid, because it was totally useless...and just recently I digged them up from my trash-rares and sold 3 copies, those 3 made me more money then I spent on magic back when the card came out xD
Glimpse of Nature number 1?
5:01
Cheon, turn 1 Dark Ritual into Necro was *actively* *bad*.
It's one thing to make that play in Vintage, Legacy, or Cube, where you can't throw a rock without hitting a blue spell that has the words "draw" and "cards" in it. It's quite another to make that play in Type II, in 1996, when the best fixing is allied painlands, and the only other card draw in the Necro deck is Drain Life.
No, the right play is to force one-for-one trades with your opening 7, play Necro into a pair of empty hands, and use it to refill.
Off the top of my head:
1. LED
2. Bazaar of Bagdhad
3. Force of Will
4. Phyrexian Dreadnaught
5. Natural Order
6. Splinter Twin
7. Grindstone
8. Summer Bloom
hope glimpse of nature is here!
Eldrazi Mimic for sure, although it has gone down again
I only have one question - who is the president and CEO of Channel Fireball?
NuclearWarrior Mr Scott Vargas
I don't remember a time since at least antiquities when Bazaar of Baghdad was less valuable than Dual Lands were. Does not belong on the list. Outside of Library it was the most valuable land for quite some time. Was years before even Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale surpassed it in price. Tabernacle doesn't belong on the list either, yet it belongs on this list more than Bazaar does.
Rogue One was so damn good.
Agree
I bought a Karakas for a quid. People thought I was an idiot for playing it in my sb against Oath.
So how many drinks did you guys take when you heard CEO John Sasso's name?
Speculating on trash cards on Magic Online is the way to go, since most trash rares are literally 1 cent theses days, maybe 2 cents if it has some fringe use. If you think a cards is gonna be used at some point at all, you can buy 1000 of them for about 15 tix, and even if it only goes up to 3 bucks, well you can do the math. plus they can be instantly bought and sold from bots. IRL the min for a crap rares is about 10 cents, and the buy/sell process can be excruciating in large numbers.
Speaking of LSV's greatest hits, I feel like stoneforge mystic should be on this list.
My guesses for things on the list: Daybreak coronet or lions eye diamond.
Yaay, even I know about Lions eye, but missed on the coronet.
my guess for number top 3 is jitte, desecration demon and top
They gotta have glimpse of nature
Karakas, phyrexian dreadgnougth, stoneforge mystic... all cards that can be in the top8 to
Surprised there was no Sword of the Meek. Card wasn't even a solid draft pick before they printed Thopter Foundry.
Before watching any of the list, 3 to 1 is Jace, Vryn's Prodigy, Dark Depths, and Lion's Eye Diamond.
dimitri13 jace was always good
Jace was a bulk mythic on release, everyone touted him as the worst of the flip walkers.
no senseis divining top?
Goblin Rabblemaster and Master of Waves in top 4?
Painter Stone is a very decent Legacy deck which can win on turn one in like... 2% of all goldfishing scenarios.
Helm of Disobedience should have been on this list
Rest In Peace
Candelabra of Tawnos?
The odds of opening Painter's/Grindstone in draft, if I'm doing my math right, is about 1 in 7.5 million.
Yeah, I read that too.
No Flash?
What about the zen fetchlands people were throwing them away during draft lol
How is Force and Karakas not on this list?
where's rally the ancestors?
Necro, Illusions of grandeur, Smily face?
Bazaar was never worth less than 50 bucks or so except during a time period when all those old cards were. It got unrestricted, that's what created the price bump. People started playing worldgorger. That's a dumb pick, it's like putting ancestral vision on the list because it got unbanned in modern. Stoneforge should have been in that spot. The rest of the list was very good though.
Freakin Cheon, lmao. I've heard him tell that mulligan story a million times.
mashi definitely dropped an f-bomb at :50. "fucking armando did not like rogue one!"
my friend pulled painter stone at the midnight, he never drew it went 1-3.
No force of will?
Where is Stoneforge Mystic which was a $1-2 card that did nothing during its first year of magic? IT GOT BANNED IN STANDARD!
I bought a Lion's Eye Diamond from Yahoo Auctions (back when it had an auction site for US buyers) for 50 cents, I bid exactly 50 cents, no one else bid on it, and I won it for 50 cents, I played it in a single vintage deck 5 years after I bought it and never played it again, sold it a few years later for what I thought was an insane amount ($20) before it got stupid expensive. I still think it's highly overrated, it only works in very specific situations and you basicly have to build your deck around it, so I just don't see why people go so crazy for this card.
First visit the channel and the audio is super sketchy. Content may be good but the audio makes it difficult to listen to.
lions eye diamond no.1
Sensei's Divining Top,Scapeshift?
I would have thought top inspired this list and would have easily been top 3
I feel like moxes would be on this list. First reaction to seeing moxes is "it's just like a land" and not that impressed. I'd say it didn't take insanely long before people realized they're better than that, but moxes are still cards that went from "This is basically a land" to power 9, most broken cards in magic status.
where is force of will?
Where's serum visions?
What about FLASH? Went from unplayable to unbeatable to banned overnight.
I'm two minutes in and if they don't have ensnaring bridge on here it's bunk.
Saheeli Rai...
I was at that event. I didn’t sell him my 2 copies….
splinter twin should have made this list
Stoneforge Mystic has got to be on the list, right? I don't think top 3 but I'm predicting it's top 8 for sure. Extremely marginalised through ZEN. Then comes Scars and boom. Banned.
Did Mashi say "fucking Armando doesn't like rogue one!"
I like how he said fucking