Classic Persona Could Be WAY More Popular
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- Опубліковано 1 лип 2023
- Persona 1 & 2 sometimes feel like the red-headed stepchildren of the Persona series, wassup with that? I asked you guys your thoughts on the OG Persona games, here are some of the responses! Thanks to everybody who contributed to the poll and responded to the community post.
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Persona 1 and 2 would benefit from an animation adaptation. Both Persona 2’s could definitely do with a manga adaptation.
P1 has a manga adaptation and its so good. Give it a read
@@kisame_007 I know P1 has a manga. It is why I said Persona 2 could do with one since they’re the only mainline games without one which is unusual for the series and the only reason they might not have one was because P1’s run spans 8 volumes over four years which likely made it tricky for P2:IS to get one back when Persona was a more niche series or the author saw the difficulties in trying to adapt both Persona 2’s and didn’t bother.
Mind you as of this writing, P5’s manga adaptation is still being published since 2016. Imagine how that would work for P2 when trying to adapt both games.
Honestly I hope they dont cus then they'd just use the manga and anime as a substitute for actually playing the game like they do with p1
I love the surrealism of Persona 1. And growing up with old school anime like Wicked City, Demon City Shinjuku, Darkside Blues, and the Peacock King made Persona and other MegaTen games appeal to me so much. Much of this vibe is lost in P3-P5. I am showing my age with this comment.
I'm definitely too young to have watched any of those but love persona 1's vibe as well
It's lost in P2 as well, though I'd argue it's still there in P3 to some extent.
For me the biggest problem with p1 and p2 are the slow and janky gameplay. I'm usually fine with old grindy games, but p1 and p2 just feel so much more tedious than what I'm used to. It's a shame that it's hard for me to play bc I really like the aesthetic and charms of those games that the limitations of the era help compliment.
Those games are in that awkward midpoint in JRPG evolution from the classic FF 1-6 style to the more “modern” FF 7-8 style if that makes sense. The midpoint where they’re trying to see what they could actually do with CD-Rom technology.
the notion of a modern persona fan playing the og trilogy and expecting them to be like P3/4/5 is comical to me, if you strip away that notion and go into P1 thinking its a 1st or 2nd generation pokemon game on crack youre gonna have a much much better time with it.
I think 1 and 2 could definitely do with a revised gameplay for a remake if it means to make them more enjoyable to play through. P5’s story in general could be debated all day but the gameplay is unanimously one of it’s greatest strengths and I don’t think it’d be sacrilege to alter the gameplay of those above games into something that’s fun to play which is the important thing for a JRPG needs to do to keep playing it.
I need to say something that people don't often say, it's okay to play a game with a spoiler free guide.
A lot of people get anxious while playing old games, specially story focused ones where you can change your experience by obscure choices.
I started to do that and now i enjoy old, kind of messy old games a lot more.
I enjoy the chaos of being completely clueless
i kinda dislike looking at guides for games because it ruins the immersion with the game. but even with that i recently played the starting hour of a bunch old school jrpgs for no reason 💀
@@garbage245 I guess immersion can be ruined for a lot of people, but in my opinion most people do that "play the first hour of a game, love it and never touch it again" thing way too much and regret it
@@garbage245 tbf a lot of old games were meant to be played with the manual you got with the game
"wild cards [and other stuff] make the modern games more appealing to me" but everyone in the old games is a wild card!
The Fallout game series also has that dichotomy between the strictly old school fans and the strictly modern fans
Or SMT snobs vs the entire Persona fanbase.
Atliest fallout has New Vegas wich is this middle point for both
@@rayvenkman2087why put it like that
@@Aero777_because its honestly true
@@Callxm not really
I remember first learning of the Persona series from a let’s play but ended up buying the game as the person I was watching never finished the game, and now I make mods and working on a translation for Persona 1 PSX. 😅
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Eternal Punishment is my favourite game in the series. I grew up with PSone RPGs but missed this series til later. When I first moved into a cool downtown apartment in my ‘20s, I bought it and played it on my CRT and smoked weed and listened to music in the glow of the neon lights. I dug the Y2K house music soundtrack, the characters who were the same age as me with relatable problems, and the horror theming. And I didn’t miss the relationships from future games because I punctuated my gaming experience with actual dates with real girls, so life felt complete.
I think the issue for a potential remake is that there isn't a clear way to update the mechanics to make them playable for general audiences in our grim dystopian future of 202X. A graphical upgrade and and translation overhaul are easy-ish goals, but removing the unnecessary complexity and tedious aspects to the core game design would be quite an endeavour and could easily break the experience in half.
Yes P1-P2 could be way more popular obviously, but financially speaking there just isn't a rich meaty vein of nostalgia for SEGA/Atlus to mine. It's just name recognition and idle curiousity by existing fans for the majority of your market, and if you can't find a satisfactory way of updating the gameplay you could wind up in that mushy grey area Soul Hackers 2 occupied.
I think the real reason why modern Persona fans can't get into those early games it's because they are closer to traditional, linear JRPGs with their dungeons and what not instead of the hybrid system of a dungeon-crawler + social sim visual novel with heavy emphasis on getting intimate with all of the characters, which is the bit most of the fans are drawn to and why it is so easy to consume these games by watching playthroughs as they skip on the gameplay aspect
It's not really something you can solve with a remake since the games as they would still be very straight-forward "go through dungeon A and then dungeon B"-type of games with no downtime in the middle, trying to shoehorn social links/confidants into it just wouldn't work and would make things a lot worse
You could work SLs in but they’d be automatic like P4’s Judgement SL.
@@rayvenkman2087that would feel very shoehorned in
@@ovensmuggler5207 Maybe. Just a thought.
maybe it's because i didn't grow up with new games consistently(pokemon aside, and even then, i rarely got to play them), but i don't really understand the logic people use when not playing old games. "it's too old, it needs a remake" no, you just need to appreciate what you have more. i'd have missed out on 80% of my fav games, *ever*, if i only played games that were new or were remakes of old games. i didn't have much of a CHOICE, though, because i was only able to get games that were cheap. i only ever got the bargain bin or used local shop stuff until basically i was 19 or so.
idk, i think people are just spoiled, in terms of content and quantity. if a game is old you don't have to just say fuck it, this is what i can afford and this is the most interesting thing in the store, you can just...download literally anything else and emulate, and that's not inherently a problem, but i think having a wide range of things to access has just ruined people's ability to grit their teeth and go this is what i bought, time to make the most of it. a lot of my childhood games were grindy as fuck, and i didn't always like them, but as i put more time in, i got better, and learned the systems of the games, i enjoyed them more. people don't really have to do that anymore, but even back then, the rich kids never had to. new game sucks? just get a new one. what are you going to do, run out of money?
this is going to come off as like super boomer mindset and probably elitist but that's not how i mean it, i just feel like, if we were still living in the PS2 days, people who had access to P1-EP would have probably actually stuck with them or been more interested as opposed to "nah i can just play another game i have 5156412658653 games to download"
noody should feel FORCED to play these games, i love them and they're amazing, but don't feel forced. if you like them, amazing! if not, fine!
fither said it best: be a fan of individual things. that's how i am. i'm also a lunatic who started with persona 1 so
I agree, in general I can't wrap my ahead around "it aged poorly" for games, at least gameplay wise. Why are folks looking at WHEN a game was made as a flaw of the game itself? I get it, things get more convenient in games all around as time has passed but if I'm going to play a game from 1989, I'm not gonna go in expecting QoL industry standard shit from 2019 lol. If im interested wanna try, o know what I'm gonna be getting into is from yesteryear, I'm going to adapt to the game I'm playing, and decide whether it's fun or not after a decent try like i would a game released today. And in general due to the smaller scope and less refined tech, i understand devs had to go for difficulty/other methods to increase a game's playtime. These days a lot of games are made to provide hours of content (whether they're worth it varies) in one go while having access to another game of that type in one click. But back then they were smaller packages intended to be intimately enjoyed time and time again till you mastered it. But maybe I'm also influenced by my first games being 8 bit Atari stuff despite growing up in the early 00s
@@MagillanicaLouM Because certain game design philosophies died for a reason like the tank controls of early 3D platformers?
I played Classic Doom 1 & 2 a while ago and they hold up pretty well even today. I played GTA III and boy, has it aged more than Vice City and San Andreas has because of certain design choices that makes it not too fun in some areas. Parappa the Rappa 1 hasn’t aged too well because of how finicky it is about the controller inputs.
It doesn’t matter if it has the QoL of today or not, I just want it to be enjoyable. Rayman 2 will always be more fun than 1 because 1 is a complete sadist to the player.
If P1 & P2 has aged poorly, then they’ve aged poorly because there’s better JRPG offerings then and now. Some retro games will age like wine (Super Mario Bros) and others will age like milk (Most of the Sega CD library) because that’s how it goes.
Just because something’s old doesn’t mean it’s immune from criticism. There are game choices that has to be called out for when it’s implemented poorly and affects the enjoyment.
@@rayvenkman2087 That's my thing, you go into a 3d gane that has tank controls expecting tank controls. Old games aren't immune to criticism but saying "shit is improved now, so this old game doing a thing that games did when it WAS new sucks" isn't a critique that makes any sense to me. If you're gonna actively go back and play something from 30 years ago, then expect a game from 30 years ago and don't whine that it does game from 30 years ago things. Now of course there are games that sucked even back then, but that's bit due to age, it's just making a shit game, just like shit games still come out today.
I remember hearing the quote *"Your first Persona game is your most favourite one"* but to me that can't be further from the truth cuz my first Persona game was P1.
Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the game for what it is but I can't deny that the modern games have a huge edge over the old ones. My No.1 favourite being P4.
I've played all the modern Persona games and P1. Now I'm currently playing P2 and seeing returning characters from P1 and the improvements to the gameplay and combat systems from P1 gives me a certain kind of joy and appreciation for P1 being the first game I played as a Persona fan.
Same, I don't buy that quote at all. My first was P5, but my favorite is P4 in all honesty, though I do love the modern trio a ton. I do want to eventually get around to the classic trilogy, but it may be a while before I do.
Yeah, I started with the modern trilogy (specifically with 4) but my favourites now are the 2 duology, idk something about the vibe and the rumor mechanic, the references to devil summoner and the gameplay improvements in EP (which in my opinion is the better game of the 2) scratch an itch the new games just can't
My first Persona was 3 and my favorite is 1.
Honestly I think the main problem with the 1st 3 Persona games (P1 - P2EP) is that I just dont enjoy them from a gameplay perspective, and thats coming from someone who both enjoys old jrpgs even from before P1 and P2 (The oldest stuff ive played are Nes but mostly Snes/genesis era stuff) and I also enjoy early Smt games such as Smt i, ii and If. They just feel slow and janky to me more so than other jrpgs older or not and also I dont like the dumb ass card system in P2 plus they both have annoying encounter rates.
Seriously? I mean I totally get og persona 1 and innocent sin but I genuinely think that eternal punishment has some really good battles in it because of its system being built around the auto battles. Maybe I’m explaining this wrong and I’m definitely not trying to discount your opinion, just thought that maybe the psp version changed something about innocent sin since I played ps1.
@@user-eu3xh6tl1h The psp versions of P2 do have slower battle systems and I believe slightly slower loading times but really like I said it's more than just the slowness.
@@user-eu3xh6tl1hwell, to get to the EP, you need to play 1 and especially IS first, so, maybe EP is better, but IS is genuinely one of the worst JRPG experiences I ever had. It's agonizing to play
Yeah, the gameplay of the early ones really bring them down, which is a shame, because they have some of my favorite stories in the series.
This. It's this. Plus they're not as accessible to play, unlike P3-5
I agree, I played the beginning of 1 2-1 and 2-2. And I should play more. I love the characters. Tatsuya is my favorite protagonist. Just because he burdens himself of every problem. (He just like me fr fr)
I got spoiled on 2. But I love every Persona 2 character. Eikeichi is my favorite bro character.
they should remake the 1st and 2nd persona games
Agreed. They aged worse than P3. ATLUS should've remade the games in chronological order. It would've been really hype too.
Like I wouldn't even mind if they don't include mechanics like social links or want to keep the combat the same, but just overhaul the dungeons, the graphics, make some of the enemies less cancer and put it on a platform people can access. They have decent stories so I think modern fans would enjoy that, I guess they could add more voice acting and tisy up the UI to match the modern games too.
BUT INSTEAD I THINK THEY SHOULD RERELEASE THE BASE VERSION OF P3 WITH NONE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS FROM FES OR PORTABLE WOOOOOO 😮😮😮
@@willywitchdoctor FATLUS pulling a FATLUS. You know in recent years I thought ATLUS was getting better. We got multiplat ports of 3-5, the soundtracks were all on spotify, we started getting simultaneous global releases with SMTV, it actually seemed like ATLUS was becoming based. Reload really killed all my hype for any new Persona installments. It's so lazy. And the worst part? Fans still defend the lack of Portable and FES content. Why even have another version of P3 if it's just missing content? It's so pointless. I think they're going to re-release it again with the Answer at full price just to get more money out of people like they always do with their evil enhanced re-releases that are just 75% the vanilla game with 25% new stuff.
I would much rather have P1 and P2:IS and EP ports or Remakes. They only chose to make a P3 remake because it's popular, not because it was in desperate need of one.
@@willywitchdoctorPersonally, I think if they remake P1 and P2 without social links and etc. then the they will fail.
@@MrMidnight007 realistically i dont think Atlus would want to do the work to put them in and it would be hard to implement as the games are pretty short and not set around a calendar. So it would function differently from the later games anyway. Like I have no idea where you would fit them into Persona 1
The persona 1 manga is a good supplement but not a good replacement
I would love to see the classic persona games have the press turn system
I enjoyed playing Persona 1 way more than any of the modern persona games. It still remains my favourite persona game due to it's atmosphere, music, style and characters. Something about the game feels so disconnected from reality and mysterious that it just keeps me engaged.
I actually find the combat quite fun and the grid system made me wish an improved version if it was implemented in the later games too. I felt it added a tiny bit of challenge to battles as there was another aspect besides just the skills you are using to worry about. I didn't have much trouble with demon negotiation, just had to trial and error it and pay attention to moon phases. Overall I found grinding kind of relaxing even though it is repetitive. It was the perfect thing to do while listening to a podcast innthe background or talking to a friend.
I will always crave for a persona 1 remake because I love the game and do think there's issues to be fixed and story & characters to expand upon, especially the protagonist. I never found the game janky at all but it certainly was different and required a lot of trial and error.
It's not to say that modern persona games are bad, they just don't scratch my itch for media with an obscure feel. Persona 1 isn't a game for everyone with how it is currently, but it certainly was the game for me.
Pretty much my thoughts. Best dungeons too aside from p5. Cause they actually try to be more than enemy filled hallways like later games, despite the surface level impression. I just enjoy a lot of the layout based puzzles from Karma Palace onward or snow queen quest's unique mechanics (aside from those final sections of the final dungeon).
But while i was someone that would fervently advocate for more 1&2 love in the fanbase while also enjoying 3-5, i just backed off over time. A lot of gamers, especially the demos that play persona these days just aren't built for older gaming. I mean I've seen many folks lump p3 into the "aged poorly" circle after 5 came out too. And how Atlus themselves treat persona's legacy has ultimately made me not want anything to do with new entries in the series going forward. The 25th anniversary made it clear they aren't changing and from what I've seen of the p3 remake, i don't trust them with 1&2
I assumed I would’ve played them by Joe but I haven’t. I want to but it’s hard to put them above other games I’m playing. I also agree that it’s really bad “advertising” that so many “classic” Persona fans seem more interested in talking down and gate keeping than actually sharing love and appreciation for the games they supposedly love.
I think another aspect to think about not mentioned in this video is just Atlus's hands offy nature to the games. The three modern Persona games are a large time investment so I feel like I can understand people when they feel satisfied stopping with those ones, especially since they aren't getting any games that have the characters in them, and hardly get referenced outside of sone minor references in Persona 3. I kinda felt like I was done with Persona after finishing the modern games since I feel like that's what's constantly bought up by the general online sphere and Atlus in general. It was only bc of some friends who pushed me to play P2 that I played those games.
I played Persona 1 couple years ago and it was such an unique experience. The music and athmosphere for me felt very dreamlike and hypnotic. Also the P1 manga was surprisingly good. I hope Atlus would make a remake of the old trilogy, so more people would play and appreciate them even more.
I'm one of those freaks that likes playing in chronological order, though I haven't gotten to any of the Persona games yet, classic or modern. But now that you mentioned it, it's pretty funny and curious how Persona is in this unique position where the general consensus, not just for recommendations but for any aspect of the series, is "start from the newest one and go backwards".
Sebc...like SEBEC...you gotta do it
People saying P3 is outdated and needed a remake when P1 and P2 just *exists*
yeah the sky is blue
I also completed the games chronologically, and I feel like if I didn't do that, I wouldn't have liked old games nearly as much xd But now P2 duology is my favorite from this series, though P3 is a close second hehe
I straight up do think the classic Persona games would be popular from an unpopular opinion of mine, which is... Make it like Tokyo Mirage Sessions in story structure. Have sections of the story be chapter based, and have character bonding systems that expand on the battle system. I know Soul Hackers 2 was cheap, but Tokyo Mirage Sessions kinda managed to allow a linear dungeon game to get into the character connection moments that people like. It would require classic Persona to require a spectacle shift though possibly.
They could build up interests for the first 2 Personas by having some of characters come back as major side-characters. Shit, it's been far enough in the timeline that some of protags kids should be old enough to be in high school/college
Imagine one of the main characters being the son or daughter of one of the persona 1 protagonists. That would be so cool.
In regards to the comment of the Persona 1 & 2 Duo games having protagonists already living in a town with a preset group of friends vs Persona 3-5 games they are new kids moving into a new city, interestingly Persona 5X: Phantoms of the Night seems to have that preset school setup and friends. No move in this time.
I need to play these games gonna do it eventually.
This is why I am playing all the games in chronological order. I really want to experience the lore in order and also just the improvement over the eras.
P1 and P2 have amazing stories(especially the two duology) but the only playable one is Eternal Punishment (but still kinda rough)
IS it's playable in an emulator being able to speed up the game, otherwise it's mostly a slog and the PSP version is boring and easy
P1 it's terrible to play in any way but has a good story and some really interesting themes and characters, i also really like its aesthetic.
These two really needed a Remake before P3...
If they do improvements, I hope they focus on the elements like Earth and Water, perhaps with enemy positioning being the primary distinction for this style of combat, something akin to Mega Man Battle Network, but more turn based
the survey did say that fans also want p2 to be remade.
About P1 and P2 games in PAL regions, the original PS1 releases was never actually released in Europe. We did get the PSP versions of P1 and P2IS, but of course those are really expensive now. We also got the original version of Persona 1 in the Playstation classic console (even tho we never got the original lol). The playstation classics release of P2EP on PS3/PSP/Vita we never go either, that means that for a European to play that game legitamatly, you either have to import the physical version + a NA console to play it on, make an American PSN account, or Pirate it.
Europe has generally been screwed pretty hard when it comes to JRPGs over the years, not just by Atlus. We didn't get a Final Fantasy game over here before FF7, and our first mainline Dragon Quest game was DQ8 in 2006 which we got after our first SMT game which was Lucifer's Call in 2005. We got almost non of the big heavy hitter RPGs on the SNES either, no Chrono Trigger, no Mario RPG, no FF4/6 and no Earthbound. Because of this, the Master System and Mega Drive are just as much if not more of RPG machines as the NES and SNES are for us.
Probably one of the strangest cases tho, is with the Xeno series, we never got Xenogears, and we for some reason only got Xenosaga Episode 2, not 1 or 3??? and despite of this, we got Xenoblade Months before NA and in a lot higher quantities.
Here's my hot take, I don't think a remake of 1 or 2 would turn out well. A lot of the staff who worked on those titles (cozy okada, kazuma kaneko, satomi tadashi) have long since been absent from atlus. There's a lot going under the hood of the older games to where a lot could be easily missed by a newer staff. Call me cynical, but I think the creative vision would be lost to a fair extent. Ports are enough for me
By that same token, though, a remake could make the base games even better BECAUSE to a new perspective. Though, that's hard to do.
@@IceQueen975 it wouldn't be better. It'd just be new, but a lot of what folks enjoy of those titles are definitely core aspects of that original crew's legacy and the overall vibe of Atlus in general at the time. It'd be a P1 PSP soundtrack situation but on a larger scale. And looking at the p3 remake doesn't give me much faith the current team.
persona 2 was an encapsulation of late 90s atlus. references to devil summoner, older smt titles, half the characters being references to the game's developers were all created out of love for a specific point in time. The "soul" of persona 2 would be lost with a wholly new staff. The small tidbits (HASTURCOMEFORTH, persona-specific contacts, or really how the game progresses with its characters and how that changes the dynamic of the party and dialogue) would be completely lost with a remake, i'd imagine. psp port of p1-2 with switchable music for p1 and harder difficulty options for p2is would be best.
at the same time the gameplay is so outdated that I think we stand to gain more, esp the big portion of gamers who arent into retro games
we just need ports of P1, P2IS and P2EP, or ports of SMT
P1 need also option to change between PSX and PSP soundtrack.
I feel like the Persona Q games provide a good engine and artstyle to remake 1 and the 2 duology. It just needs a few changes from Q to make it work more like the classics (persona changes that affect affinities instead of sub-personas, for example).
I own the PS1 Persona games they are really good I recommend everyone try them out at least
Eternal punishment was my first game in the series and yes I did play it on PS1 at the time 😂
I wanna play the old games. Ive just gotta finish up the answer and q2 first. Then i guess go into 1 because i feel like it would be better to end on the 2 duology.
Makes you wonder if they did a remake would Altus change the game to the current Persona games.
It definitely should
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4:48 lol I guess I forgot to finish my thought. I did play p1, but didn't really like it that much considering the dated gameplay and how slow it felt. Might play it again someday to see if my opinion changes considering I've since played SMT I and II lmao. I definitely think the games should be experienced in some way, but I just wish Atlus would give us other options to play it with more fun/modern gameplay. Not necessarily the one more system, but maybe make the games a bit harder and combat feel faster (or flow better if that makes sense). I would really love a remake or remaster of the original 3 games, because I do think with just a few touches and more accessibility, it would be a much better experience for both the people that have played the game and those that haven't. Just as long as they don't try to change up the themes or atmosphere of the games too much.
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Oh god yeah over here in Australia (a pal country) we didn't even GET Revelations or Eternal Punishment, in AU no Devil Survivor 1...at all, no DS no Overclocked just didn't get that game.
Lotta the PSN stuff we also didn't get namely P4 PS2 and the Raidou duo.
honestly, coming from someone who has played a lot of PS1 JRPGs and has played through the classic games multiple times, the only classic persona game whose gameplay issues feel like they mostly stem from the game's age is P1, the P2 duology on the other hand just feels somewhat badly designed gameplay-wise
from the really badly thought-out progression mechanics like buying personas with tarot cards, the convoluted negotiation system and the persona rank grinding hell to more general stuff like the awful encounter rate of the duology (P1's was not good but P2 made it way more egregious), the braindead difficulty of IS, the high difficulty of EP forcing you to grind due to the questionably-designed progression mechanics, somewhat bland combat and fusion spells being overcentralizing to the game's combat.
At this point I'm burned out on the modern persona formula. Each game gets easier than the previous one and the pacing/story aren't getting any better either. Sure they also improved on gameplay but since difficulty is really poorly handled it kind of ruins it all for me.
P3 has a unique flair to it, I loved P4 mostly because of the portrayal of Inaba and its inhabitants. P5 feels a bit soulless to me the more I play it and I'm worried that P6 will burn me out instantly as a result.
I really wished we had a remake of P2 instead of P3 but I'm glad that Metaphor will be there next year and hopefully it won't be way too easy with repeating dialogs on your bloody phone every 5 minutes 😂
Calendar ruins story pacing in P3-P5 (especially in P5 with to much fillers). This is main problem.
@@nr2676 Agree 1000%
For Persona 3-5 I feel they are pretty exclusively designed to be video game comfort food and a power trip, less so Persona 3 than 4 and 5 for obvious reasons but I don't play modern person for gameplay I play it to turn my brain off and just vibe on a bad day
If I want to play a challenging game in the series I have a lot of other options
I will say the pacing is fucked in modern persona though in Persona 3 nothing really important happens until Ken, Shinji, and Chidori get introduced halfway through, Persona 4 has my favorite structure of the modern games but still not great, very formulaic until about when Naoto joins then fully changes structure away from the midnight channel which I like. Persona 5 has probably the worst pacing in my opinion since they basically never change the structure until the very last dungeon
sometimes your thumbnails are the best
I think if they did persona 2 in the style of Catherine it would go over like gangbusters. Of course, it would be the press turn system. Im just imagining the bar scene in EP in that art style would be fucking dope.
I thought I was weird that I never have a "Persona Waifu" or get waifu culture at all until I saw Crystaaahl's playthrough of Persona 2 EP and ended up lusting for Katsuya harder than her
As an English mega ten fan il just say getting pal copies of these games is hell
Aussie here, copies of P3 go for $2-300, doesn’t matter whether it’s OG, FES or Portable they’re all dog ass expensive
@@lucymorrison oh god well at least I can take solace in the fact it’s not just us 😂
as an australian getting pal copies of any of the games (except for p5 onwards) are insanely expensive, psp copies of the original trilogy are hundreds of dollars each, and p3/p3fes are upwards of 200 dollars, often over 300 dollars
I have to say that I've had a LOT more fun playing P1 than I did playing P3FES, which is funny considering that P3FES was my first non-Pokémon JRPG ever (I didn't finish P1 though, but I had this little challenge to get EVERY consumable item, and I did read the manga prior to playing)
Also, completely unrelated to the video, but I'm so sure you have ADHD
I didnt do the survey but my answer would be: only finished 5, tried 1 and gave up (just got fed up around 3/4 the way through), tried 2 and gave up (i am not doing that slow ass combat for a whole jrpg + card grinding??? No ty), almost finished 3, never properly played 4 (my brother owned the psp 😢)
Games are less popular because P1 and P2 don't have Dating Sim / Social Sim (Social Links), gameplay is outdated (need full remakes, not only copy paste source code Persona 3 into Unreal Engine 4 and voila), and Atlus forgot about them (just like about SMT 1 & SMT 2). Similar situation why pre Fire Emblem Awakening is much less popular than Fire Emblem with Dating Sims. And most important reason: Japan love Dating Sims.
Tbh I usually just recommend persona 2 innocent sin on ps1 to people, sure the translation for it isn’t official but it’s still a solid translation imo even with some odd parts but I think it honestly reads better in places. For instance the characters insult Kasugayama high by saying “Kasu-Gay-Yama” instead of just Cuss, it took me the longest time to figure it out that the characters were saying Cuss because it’s supposed to be a crass and sort of unsophisticated school. Sure Kasu-Gay-Yama is a bit immature but in the Japanese translation it’s about the same in terms of immaturity and how it reads. It’s a bit hard to understand but in Japanese it’s about the same as they use a common childhood insult that uses a similar spelling and sounds similar so it’s supposed to be Juvenile but just Cuss sounds kinda weird.
Sure I’ll be the first to admit that the ps1 translation keeps in a lot of the gay stereotypes but even then it tones down what the Japanese game did which at least as a gay person really didn’t bother me.
Also innocent sin ps1 has way tighter gameplay, the game is a lot more challenging and while it’s still not insanely hard it at least requires strategy. As well the gameplay is built off the auto battle system where it does the same as innocent sun psp in letting you set actions and interrupt your turns, but unlike psp you can just change one action at a time and it’s overall just way more streamlined. Of course it’s not a perfect way to do it but seriously the ps1 version of innocent sin is a lot of fun.
(This comment isn’t made to disregard the very real problems with the gameplay in the persona 2 games as they still suffer from awful encounter rates and the auto battle system is a bit weird. If you have access to it I’d say just try the ps1 version if you want to play innocent sin, the additions to innocent sin psp are kinda just okay imo since the climax theater quests are really clunky and not that well written and the prime personas cool but really okay imo)
Tom's translation is actually amazing, and the actual gameplay is much better.
fwiw the Custom personas exist in PSX too.
I've tried P1 and P2IS, and tbh I didn't really mind the gameplay in P1. It was just the encounter rate that held the experience back. Really didn't vibe with the gameplay as much in P2 at all, and I honestly can't put my finger on what the difference was.
Now I kind of want to see Persona 2 anime. That's all I gotta say
I like classic trilogy because there is no social link.
Here's my order of persona games played and beaten.
Order played: P1>P5>P3>P4>P2(both)
Order beaten: P4>P3>P5>P1 (haven't beaten either of the 2 games yet)
Definitely AN order to play 'em
the gameplay of 1 does genuinely feel rough but i’d say both 2 games have great gameplay they’re just kinda hard and very different to 3,4,5 which might make them hard to get into for modern fans
I'm fine with its current status. If it appeals to some and not others, it is what it is.
At most, sensible ports. But I wouldn't want these titles refitted for "modern" sensibilities.
I played a little of Persona 1, but I stopped at the moment because I got bored of grinding for a full ambrosia run of the snow queen quest, I want to go back and do all of them later. I really want to play Innocent Sin for Jun because I’m gay.
proud p1/2/EP 'the movie' watcher. I got to enjoy the characters and plot without..... the rest. Although now I play them on and off on PPSSPP on my phone sometimes.
I feel a strong parallel with GTA games situation
5:17 god damn it i shud hav paed mor atenshun in inglish
Anyone have recs for the best place to read the manga for P1?
The only games I played were 1 and 3 lol
If I ever get into a position where I interview someone for a job or college then I will definitely mention “so I noticed that on your application you never mentioned that you finished Persona 2: Eternal Punishment. Is this a mistake becauseI cannot hire someone who has not finished Persona 2: Eternal Punishment”
I played both of p1 and p2 is but not beat ep (also i beated smt if...), is kinda the fallout situation the gameplay is what filter most of the people and is kinda sad because the story is very different of what most games had now in days.
Plus p3p was my gateway to p1 and 2 and then made me try playing smt strange journey and devil survivor, so yeah i think people can try the older games and other ones megaten games too (like i trying majin tensei 2 and las bibble and having a blast)
a lot of the time i find it kinda hard to play pre ps2 rpgs like earthbound and that (except for pokemon) cause i just find them boring gameplay wise but i’m defo interested in giving p1 and 2 a go at some point even if just to experience them
Have you played Chrono Trigger?
It's from SNES and not only is my top 2 of all time but the gameplay is extremely fun and aged like wine. It's turn based btw but it's def not slow and the dungeons just feel right(also It DOESN'T HAVE random encounters the enemies are walking in the scenario and you bump into them and begin to right, like a modern JRPG)
@@Zerorenren4761 i’ve heard of it but i’ve never tried it before, might give it a go if i can find a way to play it easy
I finished Final Fantasy IV and Chrono trigger and that's it, I tried FF5 but end up dropping
P2 you can also get away with ignoring fusion entirely and just use combo attacks to upgrade personas
Have you played Eternal Punishment yet? It's quite a step up in difficulty compared to Innocent Sin
I played p1 till the final boss and have not beat her waa to lazy to farm
P2 IS i beat anf loved it
P3 EP i started but my pc got broken and lost my save and wasnt motivated to replay the first 6 hours
12:14 if we are excluding emulators, in PAL regons (at least in europe) the only physical copy you can get is PSP port of Persona 2 Innocent Sin. None of the PS1 games made it here, P1 is available only digitally on PSP and Vita (but is pretty cheap actually, at least when I bought it), P2 IS was realesed both physicaly and digitally, but then P2 EP was not released here AT ALL. Not even as a PS1 classic on the PS store, meaning that the only fully legal way to play P2 EP is to import an american PS1/something that can play ps1 games AND an american copy of P2 EP, which the prices of are just ridiculous (300-500$ on the lower end)
Then you have me who has only played part of Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei II because I heard that it was a good NES/Famicom RPG.
Persona 2 IS and EP is when the series starts to feel similar to the more modern games, even with the ridiculous plot.
Persona 1, despite having similar mechanics weirdly had more of an Earthbound or original Megaten feel than persona 2-5? It’s probably the otherworldly feel the entire world has during the game due to being within the mind of another character. Atmosphere also has a huge part in that
Ive played a little amount into P1P and P2P. Technically my first persona game while i waited for p3p to release and holy hell the experiences were night and day. I just think the present lack of access and attention (costumes aside) by atlus hurts them and im definetely in the crowd wanting top to bottom remakes of p1 and 2 and smt 1 and 2. Great stories across the board but incredibly out of date designs even if you stick with turn based battles
But story wise till now i like
1. P2 IS
2. P3FES
3.p1/p4
4.p5
P2 ep i dont rank till ibdidnt finished it till now but i would asume it will be 2 or 1 in the ranking
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Same thing can honeslty said about Umineko
innocent sin is my all time favorite persona game story wise. i love the new persona games but i can’t stand how weak they are in a lot of story and character aspects. thank god someone is still giving love to the earlier games
Wait... There are entrees that came out before 3
Persona 2 is what happens when you take Weed, LSD and Cocaine and then write a story.
Is that weed 0_0? I'm calling Katsuya!
As a Spanish native speaker learning English, I had to play P2 duology with a guide, otherwise I wouldn't finish them. Even though I have a PS2 console, I emulated P4 "vanilla" ver. in my pc :(. I'm waiting for P3RE realased to finally start my journey with Makoto/Minato.
Maybe my main motive to play P2 sounds sinner, but I just hear that Tatsuya is Bi, I'm a fujoshi so all that clicked to me, at the end I stayed 'cause of *motorcycle noises*, gas chamber, knights of the holy spear and *IT'S WHOOP ASS TIME!*
Persona and Fallout are eerily similar with how much people ignore the first two games.
Just change the graphics and make the combat more satisfying and fine-tuned
I bqught p1 on the vita when i got it for persona 4 (which was like 2 weeks befor they ported it to steam made me feel like a dumbass) only stopped because i got stuck in that falling down maze and every encounter had enemies spam aoe charm and only 1 person i had was immune so combat took 3 fucking years.
A local arcade i have actually has some ps1 emulating console like its designed to look like one and the controllers and has like metal gear solid. It also had the ps1 localized version of persona 1 which was cool but the music they gave the vita/psp port is WAY better
Yo spiderman played persona 1 and 2!!!???
Fither use your stand to get us a remake of 1 and sin and eternal punishment
SMT If, 1, Is and EP would benefit from a modern remake. They could take the opportunity to add more meat to the original stories and just make the JRPG gameplay more refined thanks to new technology.
Modern Persona has the Social Links interwoven into their games while they didn’t exist in these older games; they could use a system like them to help add more insight into the characters that we didn’t have before. Even if they’re effectively made as automatic ones for the active party members and just for gameplay purposes with how the stories are written. Persona 1 has a manga adaptation which helped fleshed out the plot and characters more.
Keeping the stories close to the originals should be a priority but I wouldn’t oppose an expansion to them if only to bridge the gap between them and the modern iteration of the series. What’s old is new again and with the technology of Persona 3: Reload, imagine what storytelling benefits these older Persona games could benefit from including the series’ first ever awakening.
I played Persona in the order of P3, P1 (emulated), P4, P5, P2IS.
I have very little good to say about P1, but despite that I really love it. The gameplay is way too easy, leveling up is far too slow, encounter rate is far too high, the story is merely adequate, the characters are merely passable, and the dungeons sucked in layout. The only good bits were the graphics, the music and the final bosses because they were an actual challenge. And yet, I really adore it and would lose my mind if it came back in a meaningful way.
Persona 1's manga is also great, as people say. It takes the story and characters from being mid to being genuinely great. They incorporate the game's spells into the story in interesting ways. For example, did you know that persona healing magic doesn't work on people without a persona?
P2IS is a weird one. It was also way too easy, but still had some really cool bosses. The story is insane and off the rails in a good way. Characters were also good. Graphics and music are good. Dungeons were passable. Despite all that, it is my least favorite persona game. I still like it and plan on playing the fan translation of P2EP at some point, but IS doesn't stick out in my head when I think of Persona.
holy crap
I would say Fallout is the closest to sharing the same issue where Fallout 1/2 are great games(way more dated than P1 and P2 though lol) series blew up with 3 and now there is a huge divide
Yeah, dont feel pressured to play all of the games and remember that half of P5 fans havent even played it.
The 3 first Persona games are way better and more enjoyable to me. The modern ones have too much useless fluff added to it and the story in the first ones is way cooler. P2 has the best cast for sure. I hope these never get the modern treatment, because it would ruin what they stand for. Nothing wrong with old rpg's. Just get used to them.
Calendar system doesn't get as much hate as it deserves lol
How would you guys recommend playing P1? I already have a PSP emulator but what version has the most content
the PSP version is the best and has the most content, the north american PS1 version cut content out of the game and has a horrendous localization
The PSP version is the more accessible version, though the PS1 version has a fantastic soundtrack and atmosphere at the cost of the combat feeling a lot slower. Honestly they're so different that it wouldn't hurt to try either so just start with what you're more drawn to
@@ellagage1256 there's a mod for the PSP release that restores the PSX soundtrack btw. i definitely recommend it a lot more if you want to have the easy access of gameplay that the PSP version has over the PSX version but want the soundtrack of the PSX version (which fits alot better than the P1 PSP OST imo) not to mention the PSP OST uses the same 5 tracks in every scene while the PSX version has a unique track for almost every scene.
If you aren't comfortable playing games in Japanese then psp version all the way.
@@Windermed Yeah I tried it but it's still not the best since it doesn't have every track and still has no sound effects
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I think if they where a bit faster they would be more popular,the gameplay is fine (in eternal punishment is even great) but they are just way too slow
They recently ported the old school Tomb Raider games to PC and I’m beyond stoked to try those since my experience with Tomb Raider began with the modern trilogy. Same can be said for Persona after the PC ports. Yes I am that young of a fan and I’m only 25.
Classic Tomb Raider was always on PC. People just associated them with the PS1 more because more people owned it than PC for their gaming needs and Quake’s 3D revolution would have still been in it’s early phase.
Whatever happened to flair?
I watched my brother play P2 on the PS1 then watched him play P3 then P4 on the PS2. My first exposure is 2 but the first Persona game I ever finished is 4. I tried Persona 1 on the PS1 it sucked (PSP one was faster and more playable), P2EP was more bearable and I was able to finish it. The reason I was not able to play 3 was because my PS2 died and my laptop is Pentium old that can only emulate PS1 games and not PSP, until later in my life. So the order that I finished Persona games is: P4, P2EP (PS1), P3FES, P1(PSP), P3P, P2IS(PSP), P2EP(PSP), P5.
PS1 Persona games has slow and janky combat that I'd rather play the older JRPGs that moves faster. Fast forwarding via emulation feature or via PSP version makes it playable. Also yes please, I really want the remake treatment on 2.