I've "shown" my firearm twice in my 56 years. Each time it seemed something immanent was going to happen, each time the other party backed down and left. I was prepared to go hot but glad I didn't have to.
@markk2745 lots of crazy's out there. I've had a 15 yr old kid point a loaded revolver to my face. I'm still here to talk about it.. Brandishing usually escalates the issue. USN Veteran...
@@markk2745 wife and I witnessed a dude beating on a girl, I turned the truck around and hopped out, as soon as I did another truck came in hot and did the same. 3 dudes hopped out all with handguns pointed at the dude, he then went from beating on the girl (as soon as he stopped she got up and ran away into a nearby store) to trying to fight the 3 dudes who all had guns. Luckily after 2-3 minutes he finally walked away but he was in all of their faces screaming at the top of his lungs. Cops came, arrested him and let the 3 guys go.
I'm always amazed how some people will taunt and even get even more in someone's face when you pull a firearm, they feel invincible due to the adrenaline, it's very odd to see how people still feel they will prevail with a gun in their face and don't think they will lose their life if they keeping pushing and getting more aggressive.
You have a real point there. It's almost as if they believe, that if you're only brandishing, then you have no courage to draw and shoot. I think that drawing is to stop the situation.. not to give it the chance of escalating further. It also depends on what one's situation is.. location too. I'm a bodyguard, not in the US, and I have other options too which can be chosen for a specific situation. There's a case for taser, baton, spray, blade and type of blade.. If there is an attack on a client, i'm legally entitled to assume that the client's life is at great risk and attempted murder is in process. Then it's a case of getting in-between if possible CQC/CQB.. In reality, shooting is your last option but, you can go through those option mightily quick.. in the moment, you can ascertain if shooting is the only option. I think it's a completely different situation for the regular citizen who's concealed carrying.. more nuanced.
I was the overnight clerk at a convenience store. I had someone pull a .25 pistol on me, demanding the cash drawer. I got pissed off and broke the cash drawer over his head, due to adrenaline and seeing an opportunity to get him. I was also 6 months out of the service. I was lucky. Extremely lucky.
I think it is the person that pulls the gun on them and how they perceive that person. Every time I have ever pulled a firearm on someone they stopped what they were doing right the f--- now.
As Rob mentions, know your state's laws. Where I live, there's no legal defensive display allowed. If I'm brandishing a gun, I need to be facing a deadly threat.
Then you have no rights to use a gun for self-defense. If your gun is nearby you, and you are facing an imminent attacker, you can't retrieve your gun to stop a physical attack because you will be brandishing the gun by retrieving it, or they will say the threat is not lethal. So, in the case of a larger physical attacker, you're just supposed to let them beat you into a coma while hoping they will stop, while your gun is mere feet away from you stashed in your car.
Yeah, I'm definitely all for staying concealed until I feel it's time to "send it." You deescalate with attitude and projecting confidence. The second it gets to the point where you have to draw, de-escalation has failed.
I'm righthand dominant. I carry and train that way. These days a cell phone is a major threat to criminals, so I train with it as my primary line of defense against attackers. I've trained myself to use my left hand to film or call emergency services. with the option to draw your weapon of choice ready to use if needed. Real hand to hand training is worth your time and money every time. As our space becomes more populated with anger and violent people, you may be in a fight faster than any decisions can be made. Do to mistaken identity I was jumped by four younger stronger men. My training told me to protect myself with defensive action and retain my weapon. I used the closest attacker as a shield, pinned my side arm between me and the ground and sustained only minor injuries. He went to the ER in hand cuffs. I went home. If they new I was carrying God only knows what could have happened?
I carry a semiautomatic on my waist, but also have a J frame in my pants or jacket pocket. That allows me to have a full grip on the revolver, and look non-confrontational at the same time. Daryl Bolke has said that criminals often recognize that the hand in the pocket signifies I may have something they don’t want. I’m not brandishing, but I’m ready to go in an instant.
I'm a prospective buyer at the moment. I don't currently own a firearm. I've watched a bunch of these types of videos recently because when I do plan to buy, I will be taking action to obtain a CCP. The takeaway I have from all of these videos is that it is truly a HUGE responsibility to carry a firearm. That being said, I'd rather be alive and facing charges than be dead. Being a responsible gun owner is so important. I'm glad that training videos like the ones this channel offers are readily available and easy to access.
I think that in almost any situation... brandishing would be a bad idea. However, saying that... IF in the moment, I felt brandishing would de-escalate the situation... I am not simply showing my gun. My hand is going to be wrapped around in a full firing-grip and ready to come out. Great discussion and content.
It doesn’t come out unless it’s time to shoot. At that point negotiating or surrendering is over. Of course this doesn’t apply if clearing your house or similar circumstances.
I've heard the saying: FBI statistics show self defense shootings average 3 rounds at 3 yards in 3 seconds. (And 3 years in court). How accurate is that 3 years part? We saw Kyle Rittenhouse was made globally famous, and the case was closed in what? A year? Are you always going to go to jail to await trial in a self defense shooting? What should you say when police arrive? I've heard some "legal experts" say that you should simply say: "I was in fear for my life, I want to get checked out at the hospital and I want a lawyer." And then say absolutely nothing else. What is it really going to look like after brass hits the ground in public or at home? Myles, can you get an interview with lawyers who have been called after the defensive shooting? Can you interview police who have responded to defensive shootings? Can you talk to judges? Everybody seems to preach slightly different strategies for dealing with the aftermath, and everybody says that something different is going to happen
Great conversation from the Hive. I agree with your guest although the way I say it is, CCW is for SHTF only scenarios. When you can not stop a death WITHOUT using your firearm. Having said that, you need to take Brazilian jiu-jitsu and Muay Thai kickboxing classes if you want to CCW. If you take the time to get to CCW then you need to take the time to be able to overwhelm an opponent without it. CCW should be the last resort but you need to have a first, second and third resort in your wheel house!
This is certainly a complicated topic, and your observations and thoughts are really helpful. With all the dynamics involved, you might have to deal with more than one aggressor. Tunnel vision will get you killed. In AZ they have a "defensive display of a firearm" statute. The only good thing about that is that it's much harder to be charged with brandishing or aggravated assault. But, as you gents point out, when someone displays even part of a lethal weapon, for me, it's "go time." This is why I think it's wise to carry OC spray. It's a useful tool that when deployed properly, may very well avoid having to use lethal force. OC spray just might de-escalate a situation when words fail and you're trying to break contact. Definitely less paperwork is involved, and you avoid the trap that every adverse encounter requires a firearm.
Great discussion. I tend to stand behind the general assumption that most criminals are not looking for fights, they are looking for victims. I also believe that stopping and deterring the threat tends to be the most important objective in self-defense, and that deadly force and action should be a last resort, avoided if possible. Showing a gun in any way is an escalation, that is clear. However, the act could (but often enough won't) serve as a deterrence, and is still subject to factors of threat asymmetry (ie. is it warranted? Ex, a group is singling you out and approaching you in a threatening manner with clubs or knives), constraints towards effectiveness (will it work? ex. standoff), instantaneous post brandish impact assessment (did brandishing work?) and legal consequences regardless.
I would have to say it depends very greatly on the situation. All I know is that the one time I was in a threat situation drawing and cocking my revolver kept me from being robbed, and possibly stabbed. The man that came at me with a switchblade did not see the revolver on my hip in the dark, but when he heard the double click of the hammer cocking back he dropped the knife and ran. At the time I carried a Ruger .357 single action loaded with 160gr half-jackets.
A defensive weapon is just that, a defensive weapon. It is NOT a scare tactic! Anyone who brandishes a weapon as a scare tactic, probably shouldn't be carrying a gun. Knowing when to respond with force is important also. I have seen people who drastically overreact to a situation that didn't even warrant any type of force.
Great content! Love the 10-11 minute mark info. Made me laugh but so true. Idea about mental reps is gold! (13 min) Many think about things in the perfect setting they would do this or that, but to think about it when everything goes wrong & practice of the “what ifs” is valuable.
I am a CCW carrier. I would never brandish my gun. I am totally on Rob’s side on this one. I do not look like anyone who would even own a gun. I want to keep it that way until I would have no choice to use it. I also carry conceal because for some people seeing a gun on someone makes them nervous. I don’t want people around me feeling nervous or scared.
my biggest fear is having some one draw a gun first. That never draw on a drawn gun, and seeing what happens if you do and luck isn’t on your side this is a good topic of discussion
At _Active Self Protection_ , the advice is to hope, wait, or create an opportunity to counter ambush (attack). The host breaks it down by the attacker's body/head position (e.g. if their head is turned so their ear is facing you, you have one second to get a shot on target). The difficult thing to accept is we carry a gun thinking it's a good tool to deal with the most likely worst-case-scenario: a bad guy with a gun. But the reality is, we can't preemptively shoot everyone we merely GUESS might be _just about_ to threaten us with a gun - not for a millisecond. Logically, the bad guy WILL be ahead of the curve - he must, otherwise you won't have _a reason to react_ . Best case scenario: you watch everyone's hands and see the bad guy remove _something_ . From stimulus to reaction, the average human can begin a motor movement in about 1/4 of a second. It takes the bad guy, maybe one or two seconds to get the barrel pointed toward your center of mass - less time if you count the barrel covering your legs, pelvis, etc. on the bad guy's drawstroke. You're already too late. Almost by definition, during a threat-with-gun scenario, they will have drawn their weapon long before you could. Sorry. It's an important topic that does not get covered often, probably because the reality is not pretty and there isn't a Hollywood heroic solution.
Lots of factors here, and I can say from my experience so far.. people seem a lot tougher and more inclined to fight on the road, but it's mostly just noise. Rolling incidents, I have had my pistol at the low ready (but not visible) in case I saw a weapon from the other party. If someone was dumb enough to get out and approach my vehicle like they are going to do something, they are definitely going to see it. In my state, your vehicle is considered your dwelling so castle doctrine applies. Stay in the car and wait for them to breach and watch their hands for a weapon.. then you're legal to use deadly force.
If you see a Drawn weapon coming your way than you are Completely Justified in Drawing your Pistol, you shouldn't have to wait until you get injured by your attacker!
I'm 72yrs old and I saw another senior citizen open carrying, not 1 weapon, but 2. All I could think was that there are a lot of stone-cold crazy people who would sneak up on him, hit him, and take his weapons. I have been in bad places and met a lot of crazy people. Believe me keep your card as close to your chest.
If there has already been an unlawful aggression done against the firearm holder, then brandishing will be excusable and May deescalate the situation. If it inadvertently escalates, then the initial unlawful aggression should have already been enough of a reason to show/draw or maybe engage. Rule of thumb is that you only make it known if there is an ample reason to. That it would be the preemptive measure for defending oneself or a very good chance of stopping the threat, regardless if the gun will be discharged or not. Once there is no longer any threat, assuming that there was no discharge, it would be wise to remove yourself from the situation and also to notify the authorities so it would be on record that it’s justified.
What percentage of successful defensive gun uses involve only displaying the weapon, with no shots fired? What you guys are saying makes perfect sense. But on the other hand, the actual numbers seem pretty overwhelming that brandishing very, very much does work. I'm a total noob at civilian carry, but i would like to know the actual truth of it ahead of any potential incident.
Hey man, I’ve been following your channel for a very long time. I’ve watched your continent increase not only in it value, but in quality as well. I really enjoyed this type of video because I share the same philosophy of keeping your cards close to yourself I am curious what cameras are you using for this interview. I just upgraded my own camera on my channel and was really impressed with how the video was set up. I’m assuming you were using two separate cameras
Pointing guns at people and saying you’re going to shoot them doesn’t work. If you’ve gotten to point of needing to bring a weapon to bear on someone, words most likely aren’t going to work.
Obviously, the other person has a say-so in how the move is interpreted. You might think de-escalate but the person being brandished takes it the opposite. Never bet your stakes on someone else's interpretation. Remain in control, and that would mean keeping it concealed if you choose to carry that way. Open carry citizens have different cards on the table.
When two drug addicts kicked in my front door and invaded my home ….the sound of my weapon made them stop and leave. So those who say it’s a myth….well it worked for me on that day!
I have a question. Last summer I started receiving threats from my neighbor. I own no fire arms! The threats started as a vague threat, but I documented it just to be safe. I also mounted a camera over looking the one way street between our houses. I didn't do that to spy on my neighbor but to catch his cat fighting with stray. That was what started his threats, when I yelled at his cat and a stray. The reason is because I was rescuing a mother and her babies. I trying to explain why I didn't want the female to go into heat again. He didn't care and only said if I didn't stop he would take care of it. When I asked what he meant he just said you will find out. Then problems escalated. Not once did I ever threaten him! It was like he was trying to dominate me. Apparently I didn't get the message. So one day when me and my wife were walking our pug in his wheelchair I happen to see him and his son return from the gun range. He had two rifles, and a hand gun in cases. He open the tailgate to his truck. Pulled a case on the gate. Opened it. took a rifle out of the case, held it up in full view of my security camera. Then carried it pointing in our direction. Got the other 2 guns and brought them in the house. Then when back closed the case. Stopped for a couple seconds and started in our direction. Then garbed the case started walking around. Stopped, and leaned back looking at us. Then turned to the camera, sneering, and gestured to my camera. It was obvious what he was doing, but he appeared to make it look like a after thought. However watching the whole thing it was obvious it was all choreographed. In fact even his son gave it away. His son came from behind the garage to watch his dad flip[ off my camera, and then turned around and went back! I think he was being realty coy, but I think a judge would see it for what it is! Like I said I documented every leading up to that day!!!! In Michigan you can get 90 days in jail, plus $500 fine!! But I don't dare to go to the police, because he is good friends with them. I don't know what to do, but I have to live next to this dude. Also I think some of his motivation, is he is a qanan conspiracy guy. I am not!!
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5000% escalation. Tactic used by the (metaphorical) small man who needs to feel bigger in the middle of an argument. Either you need to employ deadly force or you don't, displaying your firearm will not change the situation, probably will make matters worse. Plus, you suddenly look like the bad guy threating to shoot someone who is not threatening to shoot you. One caveat: Might dissuade a group of people from cornering you if you have no route / resource to flee a *non-life threatening encounter.* Edit: Miles does make a great point about an elderly / disabled person readying their gun, but that is a very different situation than a fully capable middle age man "displaying" their gun in the middle of a road range episode. "Totality of the situation" like the other gentlemen stated.
Never pull a weapon to stop a threat. It's a firearm not a flag. Personally, draw pull fire assess repeat. Draw it pull it to sight height, fire. Is target still moving? Fire again, assess any more threats? No? Replace weapon in not threatening status, call police
This is a grossly under-explored concept IMO. Especially after seeing Massad Ayoob make the claim that something like 95-98% of defensive gun usages involve no shots being fired. There seems to be an avoidance of discussing this topic, as it’s more complex and less assertive than training for a fast draw and fire.
Oh you mean the burden of the respondents to Tyre Nichols in Memphis? And countless others and counting? Such a terrible tragedy for those great officers and responders and their culture.
If you brandish and the aggressor backs off, you can now be considered the aggressor. I'm elderly and my rule is the threat of bodily harm that will cause me to use it is the only reason to pull it.
As a trained Krav Maga practitioner when can I attack them and take away the firearm...? Them showing me the gun in the holster if that is a felony does that mean I can punch him in the balls and take away the gun or do I have to wait until it's actually pointed at me
If you draw your pistol in an situation that’s not a deadly threat, if the person isn’t intimidated into retreating then you’re stuck in a weapon retention fight. You can’t shoot them as there’s no deadly threat and they’re not scared.
wrong. unarmed doesnt mean "not a threat" and walking towards someone with a gun only has one purpose... to disarm and use the said gun against them. So, yes, someone walking towards you with your gun drawn is a threat.
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What was the belt and holster on the start of the video?
I've "shown" my firearm twice in my 56 years. Each time it seemed something immanent was going to happen, each time the other party backed down and left. I was prepared to go hot but glad I didn't have to.
Showing the gun normally will back off people unless they are crazy or dumb.
@markk2745 lots of crazy's out there. I've had a 15 yr old kid point a loaded revolver to my face. I'm still here to talk about it.. Brandishing usually escalates the issue. USN Veteran...
@@markk2745 wife and I witnessed a dude beating on a girl, I turned the truck around and hopped out, as soon as I did another truck came in hot and did the same. 3 dudes hopped out all with handguns pointed at the dude, he then went from beating on the girl (as soon as he stopped she got up and ran away into a nearby store) to trying to fight the 3 dudes who all had guns. Luckily after 2-3 minutes he finally walked away but he was in all of their faces screaming at the top of his lungs. Cops came, arrested him and let the 3 guys go.
I'm always amazed how some people will taunt and even get even more in someone's face when you pull a firearm, they feel invincible due to the adrenaline, it's very odd to see how people still feel they will prevail with a gun in their face and don't think they will lose their life if they keeping pushing and getting more aggressive.
Also can be para-suicidal behavior. Someone could have begged to die for years before with you, years without anyone pulling the trigger.
You have a real point there. It's almost as if they believe, that if you're only brandishing, then you have no courage to draw and shoot.
I think that drawing is to stop the situation.. not to give it the chance of escalating further.
It also depends on what one's situation is.. location too. I'm a bodyguard, not in the US, and I have other options too which can be chosen for a specific situation. There's a case for taser, baton, spray, blade and type of blade.. If there is an attack on a client, i'm legally entitled to assume that the client's life is at great risk and attempted murder is in process. Then it's a case of getting in-between if possible CQC/CQB.. In reality, shooting is your last option but, you can go through those option mightily quick.. in the moment, you can ascertain if shooting is the only option.
I think it's a completely different situation for the regular citizen who's concealed carrying.. more nuanced.
I was the overnight clerk at a convenience store. I had someone pull a .25 pistol on me, demanding the cash drawer. I got pissed off and broke the cash drawer over his head, due to adrenaline and seeing an opportunity to get him. I was also 6 months out of the service. I was lucky. Extremely lucky.
I think it is the person that pulls the gun on them and how they perceive that person. Every time I have ever pulled a firearm on someone they stopped what they were doing right the f--- now.
Time and time again, that attitude is always followed with instant regret if they F around and find out. I try to keep that in mind.
Never pull your weapon unless you are prepared to use it. Someone may just press you to use it.
When it clears it goes off.
I like these discussions. I would like to see more of these videos as a daily CCW and I am sure others would want to as well.
As Rob mentions, know your state's laws. Where I live, there's no legal defensive display allowed. If I'm brandishing a gun, I need to be facing a deadly threat.
Then you have no rights to use a gun for self-defense.
If your gun is nearby you, and you are facing an imminent attacker, you can't retrieve your gun to stop a physical attack because you will be brandishing the gun by retrieving it, or they will say the threat is not lethal.
So, in the case of a larger physical attacker, you're just supposed to let them beat you into a coma while hoping they will stop, while your gun is mere feet away from you stashed in your car.
Yeah, I'm definitely all for staying concealed until I feel it's time to "send it." You deescalate with attitude and projecting confidence. The second it gets to the point where you have to draw, de-escalation has failed.
Brandishing is waving around in an unsafe, menacing and or threatening manner. Not pulling out at a perceived threat of death or great bodily harm.
Always maintain the element of surprise only expose if imminent death threats never show unless ready to fire.
I'm righthand dominant. I carry and train that way. These days a cell phone is a major threat to criminals, so I train with it as my primary line of defense against attackers. I've trained myself to use my left hand to film or call emergency services. with the option to draw your weapon of choice ready to use if needed.
Real hand to hand training is worth your time and money every time. As our space becomes more populated with anger and violent people, you may be in a fight faster than any decisions can be made. Do to mistaken identity I was jumped by four younger stronger men. My training told me to protect myself with defensive action and retain my weapon. I used the closest attacker as a shield, pinned my side arm between me and the ground and sustained only minor injuries. He went to the ER in hand cuffs. I went home. If they new I was carrying God only knows what could have happened?
I carry a semiautomatic on my waist, but also have a J frame in my pants or jacket pocket. That allows me to have a full grip on the revolver, and look non-confrontational at the same time. Daryl Bolke has said that criminals often recognize that the hand in the pocket signifies I may have something they don’t want. I’m not brandishing, but I’m ready to go in an instant.
I love this discussion, it's almost never simple, and you have to try to minimize the emotional response.
I'm a prospective buyer at the moment. I don't currently own a firearm. I've watched a bunch of these types of videos recently because when I do plan to buy, I will be taking action to obtain a CCP. The takeaway I have from all of these videos is that it is truly a HUGE responsibility to carry a firearm. That being said, I'd rather be alive and facing charges than be dead. Being a responsible gun owner is so important. I'm glad that training videos like the ones this channel offers are readily available and easy to access.
I think that in almost any situation... brandishing would be a bad idea. However, saying that... IF in the moment, I felt brandishing would de-escalate the situation... I am not simply showing my gun. My hand is going to be wrapped around in a full firing-grip and ready to come out. Great discussion and content.
Lot of wisdom here.
It doesn’t come out unless it’s time to shoot. At that point negotiating or surrendering is over. Of course this doesn’t apply if clearing your house or similar circumstances.
Thanks Myles!
Well presented
Great conversation. One I'm very keen on here in NM.
I've heard the saying:
FBI statistics show self defense shootings average 3 rounds at 3 yards in 3 seconds. (And 3 years in court).
How accurate is that 3 years part? We saw Kyle Rittenhouse was made globally famous, and the case was closed in what? A year?
Are you always going to go to jail to await trial in a self defense shooting? What should you say when police arrive?
I've heard some "legal experts" say that you should simply say: "I was in fear for my life, I want to get checked out at the hospital and I want a lawyer." And then say absolutely nothing else.
What is it really going to look like after brass hits the ground in public or at home?
Myles, can you get an interview with lawyers who have been called after the defensive shooting? Can you interview police who have responded to defensive shootings? Can you talk to judges?
Everybody seems to preach slightly different strategies for dealing with the aftermath, and everybody says that something different is going to happen
Excellent, thank you!
Excellent video! Very insightful! Thank you gentlemen!
Great conversation from the Hive. I agree with your guest although the way I say it is, CCW is for SHTF only scenarios. When you can not stop a death WITHOUT using your firearm.
Having said that, you need to take Brazilian jiu-jitsu and Muay Thai kickboxing classes if you want to CCW. If you take the time to get to CCW then you need to take the time to be able to overwhelm an opponent without it. CCW should be the last resort but you need to have a first, second and third resort in your wheel house!
This is certainly a complicated topic, and your observations and thoughts are really helpful. With all the dynamics involved, you might have to deal with more than one aggressor. Tunnel vision will get you killed. In AZ they have a "defensive display of a firearm" statute. The only good thing about that is that it's much harder to be charged with brandishing or aggravated assault. But, as you gents point out, when someone displays even part of a lethal weapon, for me, it's "go time." This is why I think it's wise to carry OC spray. It's a useful tool that when deployed properly, may very well avoid having to use lethal force. OC spray just might de-escalate a situation when words fail and you're trying to break contact. Definitely less paperwork is involved, and you avoid the trap that every adverse encounter requires a firearm.
Great discussion. I tend to stand behind the general assumption that most criminals are not looking for fights, they are looking for victims. I also believe that stopping and deterring the threat tends to be the most important objective in self-defense, and that deadly force and action should be a last resort, avoided if possible. Showing a gun in any way is an escalation, that is clear. However, the act could (but often enough won't) serve as a deterrence, and is still subject to factors of threat asymmetry (ie. is it warranted? Ex, a group is singling you out and approaching you in a threatening manner with clubs or knives), constraints towards effectiveness (will it work? ex. standoff), instantaneous post brandish impact assessment (did brandishing work?) and legal consequences regardless.
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I would have to say it depends very greatly on the situation. All I know is that the one time I was in a threat situation drawing and cocking my revolver kept me from being robbed, and possibly stabbed. The man that came at me with a switchblade did not see the revolver on my hip in the dark, but when he heard the double click of the hammer cocking back he dropped the knife and ran. At the time I carried a Ruger .357 single action loaded with 160gr half-jackets.
A defensive weapon is just that, a defensive weapon. It is NOT a scare tactic! Anyone who brandishes a weapon as a scare tactic, probably shouldn't be carrying a gun. Knowing when to respond with force is important also. I have seen people who drastically overreact to a situation that didn't even warrant any type of force.
Great content! Love the 10-11 minute mark info. Made me laugh but so true. Idea about mental reps is gold! (13 min) Many think about things in the perfect setting they would do this or that, but to think about it when everything goes wrong & practice of the “what ifs” is valuable.
I am a CCW carrier. I would never brandish my gun. I am totally on Rob’s side on this one. I do not look like anyone who would even own a gun. I want to keep it that way until I would have no choice to use it. I also carry conceal because for some people seeing a gun on someone makes them nervous. I don’t want people around me feeling nervous or scared.
Assuming you're not a criminal or egomaniac, I think carrying a gun makes most people more diplomatic towards strangers.
Carrying concealed also prevents you from becoming an instant target when a bad guy walks into the place where you are.
@@bobmorgan1575 that's a myth. stop spreading it
As important to me is to make sure all my carry weapons, which I always conceal, are in holsters with retention.
my biggest fear is having some one draw a gun first. That never draw on a drawn gun, and seeing what happens if you do and luck isn’t on your side this is a good topic of discussion
At _Active Self Protection_ , the advice is to hope, wait, or create an opportunity to counter ambush (attack). The host breaks it down by the attacker's body/head position (e.g. if their head is turned so their ear is facing you, you have one second to get a shot on target).
The difficult thing to accept is we carry a gun thinking it's a good tool to deal with the most likely worst-case-scenario: a bad guy with a gun. But the reality is, we can't preemptively shoot everyone we merely GUESS might be _just about_ to threaten us with a gun - not for a millisecond. Logically, the bad guy WILL be ahead of the curve - he must, otherwise you won't have _a reason to react_ .
Best case scenario: you watch everyone's hands and see the bad guy remove _something_ . From stimulus to reaction, the average human can begin a motor movement in about 1/4 of a second. It takes the bad guy, maybe one or two seconds to get the barrel pointed toward your center of mass - less time if you count the barrel covering your legs, pelvis, etc. on the bad guy's drawstroke. You're already too late.
Almost by definition, during a threat-with-gun scenario, they will have drawn their weapon long before you could. Sorry. It's an important topic that does not get covered often, probably because the reality is not pretty and there isn't a Hollywood heroic solution.
I think about that often as well. Once somebody brandishes a gun on you then your decision/control of pulling out yours is kind of gone.
Lots of factors here, and I can say from my experience so far.. people seem a lot tougher and more inclined to fight on the road, but it's mostly just noise. Rolling incidents, I have had my pistol at the low ready (but not visible) in case I saw a weapon from the other party. If someone was dumb enough to get out and approach my vehicle like they are going to do something, they are definitely going to see it. In my state, your vehicle is considered your dwelling so castle doctrine applies. Stay in the car and wait for them to breach and watch their hands for a weapon.. then you're legal to use deadly force.
If you see a Drawn weapon coming your way than you are Completely Justified in Drawing your Pistol, you shouldn't have to wait until you get injured by your attacker!
I don't answer questions.
Helpful video.
What I learned: brandishing a firearm is like putting the finger on a trigger: you don't do it before you are sure you want to shoot.
I'm 72yrs old and I saw another senior citizen open carrying, not 1 weapon, but 2. All I could think was that there are a lot of stone-cold crazy people who would sneak up on him, hit him, and take his weapons. I have been in bad places and met a lot of crazy people. Believe me keep your card as close to your chest.
This goes along with "no duty to retreat", it's still often a good idea. Retreat to a defensible position. If, big if, you can. 🇺🇸
If there has already been an unlawful aggression done against the firearm holder, then brandishing will be excusable and May deescalate the situation. If it inadvertently escalates, then the initial unlawful aggression should have already been enough of a reason to show/draw or maybe engage.
Rule of thumb is that you only make it known if there is an ample reason to. That it would be the preemptive measure for defending oneself or a very good chance of stopping the threat, regardless if the gun will be discharged or not. Once there is no longer any threat, assuming that there was no discharge, it would be wise to remove yourself from the situation and also to notify the authorities so it would be on record that it’s justified.
What percentage of successful defensive gun uses involve only displaying the weapon, with no shots fired?
What you guys are saying makes perfect sense. But on the other hand, the actual numbers seem pretty overwhelming that brandishing very, very much does work.
I'm a total noob at civilian carry, but i would like to know the actual truth of it ahead of any potential incident.
Great info
Hey man, I’ve been following your channel for a very long time. I’ve watched your continent increase not only in it value, but in quality as well. I really enjoyed this type of video because I share the same philosophy of keeping your cards close to yourself I am curious what cameras are you using for this interview. I just upgraded my own camera on my channel and was really impressed with how the video was set up. I’m assuming you were using two separate cameras
Never bluff. Soon as you do and they call you on it, you've lost all power.
Pointing guns at people and saying you’re going to shoot them doesn’t work. If you’ve gotten to point of needing to bring a weapon to bear on someone, words most likely aren’t going to work.
Never no and never.
Love this video. 😎🤘🍻
I have de-escalated lethal Force encounters by quote-unquote brandishing probably at least a dozen times.
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Don't get used to it. When you pull, be prepared to fire. Hope you never have to, but be prepared
@@MisterRedBlueBlur I was a PI and repossessor in Killadelphia for 20 years.
@@joehaney5186 you *definitely* want to be prepared to shoot, I agree.
Obviously, the other person has a say-so in how the move is interpreted. You might think de-escalate but the person being brandished takes it the opposite. Never bet your stakes on someone else's interpretation. Remain in control, and that would mean keeping it concealed if you choose to carry that way. Open carry citizens have different cards on the table.
When two drug addicts kicked in my front door and invaded my home ….the sound of my weapon made them stop and leave. So those who say it’s a myth….well it worked for me on that day!
Not a myth, but very happy it worked and you weren't required to take life
Myself I believe brandishing you should never show it until you have to. Showing someone your firearm is arming to the terror if the public.
An elderly person would need to worry more about weapon retention, so they should never show in my opinion.
So sad when the ‘good guy with a gun’ accidentally gets mistaken as the threat.
I have a question. Last summer I started receiving threats from my neighbor. I own no fire arms! The threats started as a vague threat, but I documented it just to be safe. I also mounted a camera over looking the one way street between our houses. I didn't do that to spy on my neighbor but to catch his cat fighting with stray. That was what started his threats, when I yelled at his cat and a stray. The reason is because I was rescuing a mother and her babies. I trying to explain why I didn't want the female to go into heat again. He didn't care and only said if I didn't stop he would take care of it. When I asked what he meant he just said you will find out. Then problems escalated. Not once did I ever threaten him! It was like he was trying to dominate me. Apparently I didn't get the message. So one day when me and my wife were walking our pug in his wheelchair I happen to see him and his son return from the gun range. He had two rifles, and a hand gun in cases. He open the tailgate to his truck. Pulled a case on the gate. Opened it. took a rifle out of the case, held it up in full view of my security camera. Then carried it pointing in our direction. Got the other 2 guns and brought them in the house. Then when back closed the case. Stopped for a couple seconds and started in our direction. Then garbed the case started walking around. Stopped, and leaned back looking at us. Then turned to the camera, sneering, and gestured to my camera. It was obvious what he was doing, but he appeared to make it look like a after thought. However watching the whole thing it was obvious it was all choreographed. In fact even his son gave it away. His son came from behind the garage to watch his dad flip[ off my camera, and then turned around and went back! I think he was being realty coy, but I think a judge would see it for what it is! Like I said I documented every leading up to that day!!!! In Michigan you can get 90 days in jail, plus $500 fine!! But I don't dare to go to the police, because he is good friends with them. I don't know what to do, but I have to live next to this dude. Also I think some of his motivation, is he is a qanan conspiracy guy. I am not!!
And quite frankly, he seems to be getting paranoid!!
ive seen a retired cop brandish in a huge fight and it definitely deescalated
Any plans for a monthly membership etc ?
There's only the quick and the dead. Do the things to be quicker.
I have come to the conclusion that if you pull your gun or knife it should only be to use it. Bullets on target soon as the barrel clears the holster
If you’re not watching all the Hyve videos, you’re missing out on valuable info. Even if you know the subject matter, there are always little things to improve your knowledge. Great work guys. 💪
Ask the question: yes. End video. Lol
Love the explanation though.
5000% escalation. Tactic used by the (metaphorical) small man who needs to feel bigger in the middle of an argument. Either you need to employ deadly force or you don't, displaying your firearm will not change the situation, probably will make matters worse. Plus, you suddenly look like the bad guy threating to shoot someone who is not threatening to shoot you.
One caveat: Might dissuade a group of people from cornering you if you have no route / resource to flee a *non-life threatening encounter.*
Edit: Miles does make a great point about an elderly / disabled person readying their gun, but that is a very different situation than a fully capable middle age man "displaying" their gun in the middle of a road range episode. "Totality of the situation" like the other gentlemen stated.
Never pull a weapon to stop a threat. It's a firearm not a flag. Personally, draw pull fire assess repeat. Draw it pull it to sight height, fire. Is target still moving? Fire again, assess any more threats? No? Replace weapon in not threatening status, call police
If it's a deadly threat and you want to live another day, then the answer is yes.
Funny I never heard about the cops shootin the hood Samaritan that shot a bad guy…imagine that
It seems that brandishing is a bad idea. Way more negatives than positives.
Wow 😳
Learn use of force laws. Every gun owner should know it if you carry. imo.
Old Man/Woman Pulls Out A Gun, You Better Run Away lol
Never brand your weapons- Off duty Brazilian policeman videos!!!
I didn’t recognize Myles without a hat…I had to do a double take. 😃
This is a grossly under-explored concept IMO. Especially after seeing Massad Ayoob make the claim that something like 95-98% of defensive gun usages involve no shots being fired. There seems to be an avoidance of discussing this topic, as it’s more complex and less assertive than training for a fast draw and fire.
Oh you mean the burden of the respondents to Tyre Nichols in Memphis? And countless others and counting? Such a terrible tragedy for those great officers and responders and their culture.
If you brandish and the aggressor backs off, you can now be considered the aggressor. I'm elderly and my rule is the threat of bodily harm that will cause me to use it is the only reason to pull it.
If I'm drawing my weapon, I'm going to be using it towards the threat immediately. Never brandish the weapon.
As a trained Krav Maga practitioner when can I attack them and take away the firearm...? Them showing me the gun in the holster if that is a felony does that mean I can punch him in the balls and take away the gun or do I have to wait until it's actually pointed at me
In my 2d year covered by CCW Safe. I did the research and the math and think they have the best coverage.
If you draw your pistol in an situation that’s not a deadly threat, if the person isn’t intimidated into retreating then you’re stuck in a weapon retention fight. You can’t shoot them as there’s no deadly threat and they’re not scared.
wrong. unarmed doesnt mean "not a threat" and walking towards someone with a gun only has one purpose... to disarm and use the said gun against them. So, yes, someone walking towards you with your gun drawn is a threat.
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