You can consider trailer challenges to 500km, it's easy to extrapolate to the full 1000km challenge and also is a reasonable distance for hauling trailers. Most people don't wants to drive 14h straight, and it's also less tiresome for you as well (stay healthy).
You can't extrapolate from 500km as the first leg is always 100% charge. The real test is when you get into the charge-drive-charge-drive cycle later on to see what kind of a journey you can expect.
Interesting test, I expected the consumption to increase, but not THIS much. Probably no more Sweden route 1000km in the coming months due to the disaster at Stenungsund this night. I hope everybody is OK there and no more related accidents will happen.
This is really interesting, and it confirms that having an aerodynamic car is no real advantage when pulling a huge brick behind you. (I honestly knew this having towed with 3 CR-Vs a V70 and a Civic ) This summer we hooked our caravan to my Polestar 2 (DLRM, 476hp which I've owned for exactly one year today) and over 13 days and 2676 km's we actually averaged 354Wh pr KM (average speed was 61km/h though). This was on mostly mid and northern Norwegian roads, lots of mountains, and not at all perfect conditions, but there were a lot of roads where we couldn't drive as fast as 80km/h which probably worked to our advantage on the consumption.
I think the tests with trailers are very interesting. I own an ID4 today which I am very happy with but this spring we will be changing to a car with a higher towing weight. the choice is between Tesla Y LR, Volvo C40 and BMW I4 M50. It would be interesting with a test of C40 in particular. Then the car does not consume more with a boogie trailer than one with only two wheels. Thanks for the great tests.
Bjorn I believe you that this trailer consume the same amount of energy as a camper trailer. But can you check it? With a camper trailer with 2 axles, the reason is that weight is 2 times more and it could have effect because trailer brakes will be trigger more.
In the summer I drove from Augsburg to Venice and back to Berlin with a caravan that was 7 m long and weighed 1,600 kg. Consumption 252 Wh/km with my Tesla Mogel Y LR.
Our trailer test was super easy and the F-250 lightning failed. Going from basically Portland, Oregon to Spokane, Washington it took way longer that expected. My wife did the trip, but it was super painful. I suspect and Model Y would have done better given our particular charger and efficiency situation.
Drove 580km the day before yesterday with my MY LR. Got a consumption of 310Wh/km. Strong headwinds first half, then some mild side winds. Drove with a medium sized trailer, very boxy design.
Trailer connection on 3 and Y aren't very good. 3 points connection towards the ground and some connectors are very close to the ground, for the Y I've had to trim an adaptor to get the correct fit.
I have an ev6 (rwd), perfect with a caravan 😎 with small one (rapido 31tdl 850kg) i can do a 1000km in 12.5 hours. Consumption is around 23kwh/100km when driving 95. Behind trucks sometimes below 20!
Why do you charge at Ionity instead of Tesla chargers? Tesla charchers in Norway is very cheap 2.20nok. I belive that Ionity like Sweden are more expensive.
kWh used & 1,000km - I was looking for the kWh used by the BYD Han and played the video again. "The car does not properly report it" Bjørn said, paraphrased. That's true but there's a snake in the grass. Any car only reports what it takes out of the battery. That neither reports losses in battery kWh from temperature changes, nor charging losses. I would argue that the best way to measure ~1,000 km kWh consumption is to start at 100% charge and then add up all charges taking from charging stations needed to make the trip and get back to 100% again (or, say, 90% if you want to, in both cases). After all, this is what you pay for. Another thing is how much we pay for a kWh. In my country fuel taxes are high but as there are 10 kWh in a litre of petrol (gasoline) or 11 kWh in Diesel fuel, the price per kWh at the fuel station is about €0.25. Well, the per kWh price at charging stations is often a lot higher than that. Assuming about 12% losses between what you put into the battery and the car reports to take out, assuming €0.25 per kWh, you end up at about €50 per 1,000km with the cheapest kWh consuming e-car or €110 for the highest kWh consuming (between the ones of which I put Bjørn's data into my spreadsheet). For reference, an economic middle middle class ICE sedan with economic Diesel engine would roughly cost you about €140 for the 1,000 km (in fuel only, ignoring higher per km maintenance costs). But, pay €0.70 per kWh at the very fast charging station along the motorway and your costs go up to 2.8 times and €50 becomes €140. (€1.00 = NOK 11.29 say Google today - or over the last 365 days between NOK 10.20 and NOK 12.00). Anyhow, Bjørn, I love your videos.
I may be saying what you know and do, but for the benefit of everyone ...when pulling a trailer and stop, always do a walkaround check of tyres, lights and hitch security before driving off again. You never know what state they may be in or what some joker has done whilst you are in the rest-room/shop
This test is really interesting. Our Q4 does definitely notice when we're pulling the trailer, but since the most common trailer we pull is smaller than the rear end of the Q4, it's not being completely destroyed on range. Really drives in the part that drag is the biggest factor for EV's in the smaller trailer sizes. Noticed this as well. Pretty close on consumption regardless if the trailer is fully laden or mostly empty, but range is really getting hit when pulling the big fullsize box.
@@ralanham76 Yea, for sure. We're mostly moving light but bulky stuff to and from our cabin, where the average incline is very low due to following a natural valley for most of the 250-260km. it's only the last 35km that have any major incline from around 180MSL to 920 MSL. Definitely noticeable in the winter, but not as much as when we had to pull a similar trailer to what TB pulled here, that really hurt the range.
A Tesla model X on 22" rims and a similar trailer (standing around 6ft high inside) used 400 wh/km this summer while a trailer of 4.5 to 5ft height inside gave 300 Wh/km, compared to the normal 200 Wh/km in speeds of 80kph/50mph. Climbing up a 1000m mountain to 3000ft gave +100 Wh/km at the top. Going down, max 60% of the energy spent can be regenerated.
I imagine there’s a businesss case for re-using old EV batteries to put in the trailer floor pan so that towing a trailer wouldn’t affect the range of the EV.
The problem is that your car and trailer must sit within a Gross Combined Mass figure, if you're also towing a battery that means less trailer load capacity.
Weight is a big issue with caravans. They are already often overloaded. A small ICE engine would make more sense. As you don't pull a caravan 1000 km every week it could run on cooking oil or ethanol. However, I suppose many people in the EV bubble would see that as some kind of defeat.
Getting your trailer and vehicle to share a power supply like that is also going to require more hardware on the towing vehicle so that will be a feature that can only be added to future vehicles.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoomthey will not share the power supply , the caravan will have his own battery and own motors , that substantially will " push " the car instead of being pulled by the car itself . There is already a prototype of a big trailer in the USA, in Munro Channel is available the preview
Thanks for all your intresting tests, but your trailer is not comparable to a caravan according to my experience. I drive trailer frequently and have similar numbers as this test with similar trailer. But when i hook my caravan 1600kg i average between 385 - 400 Wh/km And then i dont do 90 but rather 80km/h. i drive a MYLR from 21. Its still a fantastic car to pull trailer with. But consumption is high. Driving long distances will take much time at chargingstations.
Trailer 700kg with brick aerodynamic!! 😮 But max speed should be no more than 80kph or 50mph..if driving petrol then on hill slow down by 5 miles per hour..
These towing tests are really interesting. I was wondering if you had a shorter trailer with the same weight reducing drag, how far you could get. Thinking if you were tent camping with a trailer full of stuff how far you could get.
Oh shhiiieet... that landslide in Göteborg is on your 1000km route? Holy maccaroni!
Wow, with trailer it’s really a stress test for EVs
You can consider trailer challenges to 500km, it's easy to extrapolate to the full 1000km challenge and also is a reasonable distance for hauling trailers. Most people don't wants to drive 14h straight, and it's also less tiresome for you as well (stay healthy).
100% right.
Nope. 999.9 all the way
@@bjornnyland 499.99?
@@rui569Nein nein nein!
You can't extrapolate from 500km as the first leg is always 100% charge. The real test is when you get into the charge-drive-charge-drive cycle later on to see what kind of a journey you can expect.
Interesting test, I expected the consumption to increase, but not THIS much. Probably no more Sweden route 1000km in the coming months due to the disaster at Stenungsund this night. I hope everybody is OK there and no more related accidents will happen.
This is really interesting, and it confirms that having an aerodynamic car is no real advantage when pulling a huge brick behind you. (I honestly knew this having towed with 3 CR-Vs a V70 and a Civic )
This summer we hooked our caravan to my Polestar 2 (DLRM, 476hp which I've owned for exactly one year today) and over 13 days and 2676 km's we actually averaged 354Wh pr KM (average speed was 61km/h though).
This was on mostly mid and northern Norwegian roads, lots of mountains, and not at all perfect conditions, but there were a lot of roads where we couldn't drive as fast as 80km/h which probably worked to our advantage on the consumption.
appreciate your trailer tests! now i am 100% sure. Model Y LR for my 1.5t camping trailer
Its in the name. Long raaaangeer
I think the tests with trailers are very interesting. I own an ID4 today which I am very happy with but this spring we will be changing to a car with a higher towing weight. the choice is between Tesla Y LR, Volvo C40 and BMW I4 M50. It would be interesting with a test of C40 in particular. Then the car does not consume more with a boogie trailer than one with only two wheels. Thanks for the great tests.
There's no denying Tesla are excellent at making efficient cars.
Bjorn I believe you that this trailer consume the same amount of energy as a camper trailer.
But can you check it?
With a camper trailer with 2 axles, the reason is that weight is 2 times more and it could have effect because trailer brakes will be trigger more.
Lot of Volvos pulling 1600+ kg horse trailers in the Nordics - testing e.g. the new XC40, EX30, EX90 when they come out would be nice.
In the summer I drove from Augsburg to Venice and back to Berlin with a caravan that was 7 m long and weighed 1,600 kg. Consumption 252 Wh/km with my Tesla Mogel Y LR.
Unbelievable
@@LHNguyens It is a La Mancelle Liberty 490
@@pai4954 On what cruising speed?
@@Evans_Man 85 km/h or behind a Larry with 96 km/h.
Really intresting with trailer tests 👍 I am waiting for tests with EV9 😊
Would love to see this with a Xpeng G9, have a feeling that will perform really well
I woud like to see you do this test with Model X Plaid or LR.
There's always so much litter on the ground in parking lots.
Our trailer test was super easy and the F-250 lightning failed.
Going from basically Portland, Oregon to Spokane, Washington it took way longer that expected. My wife did the trip, but it was super painful. I suspect and Model Y would have done better given our particular charger and efficiency situation.
Drove 580km the day before yesterday with my MY LR. Got a consumption of 310Wh/km. Strong headwinds first half, then some mild side winds. Drove with a medium sized trailer, very boxy design.
Trailer connection on 3 and Y aren't very good. 3 points connection towards the ground and some connectors are very close to the ground, for the Y I've had to trim an adaptor to get the correct fit.
The E6 road by Stenungsund has collapsed so take that in consideration if you’re travelling southwards
Warning for bad road Stenungsund E6. Sinkhole!
Hé Björn. I am considering Kia ev6 or model Y with caravan. Can you also do a 1.000 km challenge test with EV6 with caravan?
I have an ev6 (rwd), perfect with a caravan 😎 with small one (rapido 31tdl 850kg) i can do a 1000km in 12.5 hours. Consumption is around 23kwh/100km when driving 95. Behind trucks sometimes below 20!
This trailer is a aerodynamic nightmare. See the spoiler on the end? That increase the turbulence behind the trailer massiv.
31:24 he turned german.. lmao
Varberg is now World Bank according to UA-cam subtitles.
😂
Why do you charge at Ionity instead of Tesla chargers? Tesla charchers in Norway is very cheap 2.20nok. I belive that Ionity like Sweden are more expensive.
The best option based on the current leg.
kWh used & 1,000km - I was looking for the kWh used by the BYD Han and played the video again. "The car does not properly report it" Bjørn said, paraphrased. That's true but there's a snake in the grass. Any car only reports what it takes out of the battery. That neither reports losses in battery kWh from temperature changes, nor charging losses.
I would argue that the best way to measure ~1,000 km kWh consumption is to start at 100% charge and then add up all charges taking from charging stations needed to make the trip and get back to 100% again (or, say, 90% if you want to, in both cases).
After all, this is what you pay for.
Another thing is how much we pay for a kWh. In my country fuel taxes are high but as there are 10 kWh in a litre of petrol (gasoline) or 11 kWh in Diesel fuel, the price per kWh at the fuel station is about €0.25. Well, the per kWh price at charging stations is often a lot higher than that.
Assuming about 12% losses between what you put into the battery and the car reports to take out, assuming €0.25 per kWh, you end up at about €50 per 1,000km with the cheapest kWh consuming e-car or €110 for the highest kWh consuming (between the ones of which I put Bjørn's data into my spreadsheet). For reference, an economic middle middle class ICE sedan with economic Diesel engine would roughly cost you about €140 for the 1,000 km (in fuel only, ignoring higher per km maintenance costs). But, pay €0.70 per kWh at the very fast charging station along the motorway and your costs go up to 2.8 times and €50 becomes €140. (€1.00 = NOK 11.29 say Google today - or over the last 365 days between NOK 10.20 and NOK 12.00).
Anyhow, Bjørn, I love your videos.
Funny, when I do my training round on bicycle I ride past the Kungälv SC on the way home.
Teslabjørn was shortly living on the bleeding edge here.
22:15 lmao WHAT
I may be saying what you know and do, but for the benefit of everyone ...when pulling a trailer and stop, always do a walkaround check of tyres, lights and hitch security before driving off again. You never know what state they may be in or what some joker has done whilst you are in the rest-room/shop
he grabbed dem nutss
Test the old Nissan Leaf with a trailer 😀
Nio Swapping Stations are closed at night? Is that also common in China?
the hot dogs in norway look so good
@@starvictory7079 ah my bad 😣 they look good
When I traveled in Norway I had several gas station hot dogs, and they were quite good. Bjørn's Swedish hot dogs look identical to those in Norway.
@@georgepelton5645 ah cool 😎
Bjørn, kan du ta en test med Hestehenger ?
This test is really interesting. Our Q4 does definitely notice when we're pulling the trailer, but since the most common trailer we pull is smaller than the rear end of the Q4, it's not being completely destroyed on range. Really drives in the part that drag is the biggest factor for EV's in the smaller trailer sizes. Noticed this as well. Pretty close on consumption regardless if the trailer is fully laden or mostly empty, but range is really getting hit when pulling the big fullsize box.
The weight would make a big difference if you're climbing a hill.
@@ralanham76 Yea, for sure. We're mostly moving light but bulky stuff to and from our cabin, where the average incline is very low due to following a natural valley for most of the 250-260km. it's only the last 35km that have any major incline from around 180MSL to 920 MSL. Definitely noticeable in the winter, but not as much as when we had to pull a similar trailer to what TB pulled here, that really hurt the range.
A Tesla model X on 22" rims and a similar trailer (standing around 6ft high inside) used 400 wh/km this summer while a trailer of 4.5 to 5ft height inside gave 300 Wh/km, compared to the normal 200 Wh/km in speeds of 80kph/50mph.
Climbing up a 1000m mountain to 3000ft gave +100 Wh/km at the top. Going down, max 60% of the energy spent can be regenerated.
Bjorn, to work out how much more a trailer needs, you'd have to do the 1000km at trailer speeds without a trailer for direct comparison!
90 km/h range test already done.
@@bjornnyland my apologies! I'll check the spreadsheet again. Nobody is ahead of legend Bjorn!
I imagine there’s a businesss case for re-using old EV batteries to put in the trailer floor pan so that towing a trailer wouldn’t affect the range of the EV.
Soon it will be a reality
The problem is that your car and trailer must sit within a Gross Combined Mass figure, if you're also towing a battery that means less trailer load capacity.
Weight is a big issue with caravans. They are already often overloaded. A small ICE engine would make more sense. As you don't pull a caravan 1000 km every week it could run on cooking oil or ethanol. However, I suppose many people in the EV bubble would see that as some kind of defeat.
Getting your trailer and vehicle to share a power supply like that is also going to require more hardware on the towing vehicle so that will be a feature that can only be added to future vehicles.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoomthey will not share the power supply , the caravan will have his own battery and own motors , that substantially will " push " the car instead of being pulled by the car itself . There is already a prototype of a big trailer in the USA, in Munro Channel is available the preview
Trailer Test with pickup trucks in US trip?
What about that fridge in the back seat. Was it plugged in?
Yes
As I was watching the video, 27:32 was good too 😂😂😂
Thanks for all your intresting tests, but your trailer is not comparable to a caravan according to my experience. I drive trailer frequently and have similar numbers as this test with similar trailer. But when i hook my caravan 1600kg i average between 385 - 400 Wh/km And then i dont do 90 but rather 80km/h. i drive a MYLR from 21. Its still a fantastic car to pull trailer with. But consumption is high. Driving long distances will take much time at chargingstations.
Ix m50 would be grate for trailer test
Hi Bjørn! E6 has landslide. Will that stop your 1000km challenge in Sweden?
He will need a new route. Will be problematic to find one with highway speed. :/
That section of the road will likely be closed for at least 6 months, probably a year.
E6 northbound
@@karlitono It's both ways and a really ig area that has just sunk.
@@volvodashcam sorry I meant north of Jessheim 😅
How will you do the 1000 km challenge now, that the E6 has collapsed close to Stenungsund?
Norway route
Test Q8 e-tron 55 and ID Buzz with Trailer
Rip sweden route
1000 km challenge is getting soo boring in modern EVs with a trailer brings back some of the drama! 😎
Trailer 700kg with brick aerodynamic!! 😮
But max speed should be no more than 80kph or 50mph..if driving petrol then on hill slow down by 5 miles per hour..
I really really hope you did not do a 1000km challenge this night!!!🚨🚧
Yes, no more 1000 km tests through Sweden for a while now.
Was it 500m of the freeway that floated away in a mudslide?
Polestar 2 LRSM rear wheel drive😉
Pull a trailer with the Microlino 😉
You can override the trailer mode in settings so you get autopilot.
These towing tests are really interesting. I was wondering if you had a shorter trailer with the same weight reducing drag, how far you could get. Thinking if you were tent camping with a trailer full of stuff how far you could get.
@@bernhardleopold6702 so 700kg shorter in height might go further. It would be interesting to see that tested. What's the kwh per mile
Kia EV9
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1000km Challenge Tonight incoming?
Yes
Test the korean cars.
Ha! I was the nein-nein-neinth like! 😆😆
Nein Nein Nein Nein Nein Neeeiiiiiiin!!!
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Bjørn, can you do a 1000 km challenge in France? The speed limit with trailer is 130 km/h in France, really curious about the results!
No
It's a 20+ hour drive just for Bjorn to get to France... Can't really blame the guy for not going there to test this.
No one is going to drive 70 km between charging stations
22:35 😂😂😂 @bjornnyland always good for a good joke 😂