No it wouldn’t because like Tim Duncan jokic is a player that belongs on the nuggets he is the system like Duncan was for the spurs, he wouldn’t have this same impact with a new team different players different coaching different plays just let him be great for a franchise that deserves their time in the limelight
@@spoodyR3damb you are fr one of those who believe that it's the "Nuggets system"? xD Ever heard of the term "Jokic ball"? Yep, literally the whole team adapted to the way Jokic is playing which makes him a system lol
@@togfanatic3781 Maybe because they were missing Caron Butler who was their 2nd best scorer and a very good defender due to injuries. Almost all the media members never pick them as their favorite to win any series, even against the OKC, reigning champion Kobe Lakers and especially against the Heat who had overwhelmingly favourites to win the chip.
@@Judahscattered4corners-ms4lm Imagine if Giannis won just to get eliminated in the first round. Also, no, Jokic had the better season and only had fewer wins because the nuggets coasted after securing the 1 seed.
@carteriv This is Jokic best playoff run in almost 10 years. Giannis is waayyyy more accomplished as a player. How many first team all defense does Jokic have?? Dpoy?? None! Jokic is all offense against smaller player's and no defense. Giannis is superior.
his total points added doesn't include screen assists or hockey assists, he is EASILLY producing upwards of 65 points a game, and if we go stupid with it and account for gravity assists, he's close to 70. Dude is a freak
@@Judahscattered4corners-ms4lm Sure he did and was great even in that series with fucking Campazzo and Will that lost spot on Wizards team this season Burton as starters, and no bench at all. Also when he is on the bench even this season with this "awesome" teammates they go from best offense to the least efficient and worst offense in the entire league... Google it if you don't believe me.
I don’t get the Dirk comparisons with Jokic. In terms of play style Jokic is a lot like Larry Bird except Jokic is an even better playmaker than what Larry Bird was
Jokic is as good of a scorer and a WAY better passer, a better rebounder and a better defender. The only thing Dirk really had over him was being a better shooter.
Dirk also didn't need an offensive threat to win his ring. He had one of the best defensive teams while being bad at defense himself. He had role players averaging like 15 ppg which was a lot of help back in 2011. If it wasnt for his team he would've never won. They carried themselves so much that most of dirks highlights from 2011 finals came from the end of the game, because his team helped him stay in there long enough for him to make big plays. Yall love to disrespect others to make your statement look more real. Also dont forget what teams did the mavs beat before the finals. They were no joke, and not because Dirk was there. He was an actual playoff joke before he won his ring.
To be fair jokic was not going against big body beasts of centers this post season so his numbers in the paint can be a bit inflated atm however I think in the next few seasons teams will realize this and get them a player that can guard jokic better cause I love the heat but we have no center that can even attempt to guard jokic in the paint
I have Jokic 7 behind Kareem, Bill, Wilt, Hakeem, Shaq, and Moses. No particular order. Just throwing out the names better than Jokic. On the Jokic vs Dirk, Jokic clears. But the Mavs weren’t sorry. They were a 3 seed that season. Not really a bunch of bums. No all stars. But high quality players like what the Nuggets have.
I have Jokić at 6 behind everyone besides Moses. Moses was incredible, don’t get me wrong. But realistically Jokić should have 3 MVPs now. That ties Moses on that front. Jokić is the better all-around player, and that puts him above Moses for me. It’s very close at the moment though because Jokić doesn’t have the hardware to go along with his skills. But he’s gonna win a ring and Finals MVP in the next game(s).
@@aquatazer until he wins a title that is out of the discussion. And should be doesn’t matter. Moses DOES have 3 mvps. And was in the convo for more as well. Jokic isn’t their yet. And btw where is the George mikan love? Idc what era he played in, that man deserves his credit. Considering how much he contributed to the game, beingg that he was the original star and the original bigman, as well as him playing a large part in the creation of the 3pt shot as the first commissioner of the aba in the 60s. Mikan should either be 6 or 7 with his resume but people act like he doesn’t exist.
Ok but in what universe are you in this comments section and know enough about Bill Russel to definitively put him over Jokic? 11 rings will never be outdone again, but I really don’t think it makes sense to compare with players from that far back
@@Amaling this is a dumb argument, to be blunt. We value Tim Duncan for his leadership and winning ability, and Bill Russell is undoubtedly the best in those two areas. He also beat Wilt and many other HoF players to win those championships. He’s got incredible stats for the type of basketball he played, and if you put him into any other era of basketball, he’d undoubtedly be an all-time great. He’s one of if not the best defensive players of all time. Comparing players of the past and the present is how we get to the GOAT debate in general. We should use context, ability, and accomplishments to decide who is the greatest. Bill Russell absolutely should be top five Centers all-time, alongside Wilt. Same era, played head-to-head.
To me Jokic answered the question of what if a center could pass as good as a point guard, it means you can't conventially guard him without him just seeing the play, take Joel I love him he's my favourite player and whilst he can score and defend much better his lack of playmaking makes doubling not jsut neccessary but mandatory because you know he won't make the best pass, although I can accept that someone who started basketball aged sixteen and was forced into the center position and didn't play european basketball to be a lesser passer
I think he's more dominant the way he is currently, his stamina is already insane, and I feel like his build helps him stay out of injury trouble. He's got some padding lmao, so unlike most stars, he's out there playing nearly every game.
Lol and that’s the reason why the media won’t give it up for him. I mean they just jumped from Jordan to lebron in negative seconds but jokic? Noooo his stats don’t matter nothing that mattered for lebron matters for jokic. This guy is clearly the best in the league not even close.
Lebron came into the league day 1 superior. Jokic been in the league almost 10 years and just started playing good ball 2 years ago. We see what some fans are trying to do with Jokic and its not happening. Hes gonna have to earn his respect over the years of being dominate. Not just 2 good seasons and 1 playoff run and championship.
Lebron is not great in all around game? He played defense for like 5-6 years…then just did highlights on d for the rest of his career FACTS bc there is literally lebron horrible on defense compilations….he’s not a great mid or 3pt shooter, he never was, he’s just been okay there….most of his games from 3 are horrible. His best game is driving to the rim and using his size. Legit if he played how Jokic played he would already have the goat title and prolly a ring for each finger on one hand. But he doesn’t bc he’s not as dominate as jokic has been, which is also proven statistically. Lebrons only claim to anything over anyone is his length of time playing at a consistent level, without a doubt. But the real dominate players are the ones who had a unstoppable 5-6 year run with titles and trophies inbetween. Lebron doesn’t have that part in his career, and naw, losing in the finals every year isn’t a good excuse either.
i mean... if your offensive impact is high enough to outweigh defense, then you can still be best overall... don't forget defense is like 20% of an nba game, it's all offense... there are no 2-0 games like in soccer, each team will score 100 nowadays ... and we have actual proof... despite how bad you think he is on defense, his box plus/minus is the highest in the league... meaning when he is on the floor his team outscores the opponent by the biggest margin in basketball, and that includes how much they give up so no.... he doesn't need anything CLOSE to DPOY to make that claim... he just needs the highest overall impact to make that claim... if you had a player who scored 100pts a game shooting 90% on 3s, you would never say he is not the best beause of his defense, right?.... so now we just need to find where that line is in reality where your contributions are enough
@@notimportant3686 To me if you're saying one of the best ever, you can only say overall if you're talking all aspects of the game. It's dismissive to players that DO, or DID have monster offense AND great defense.
@@757bigj "All-Defensive Team six times, and was a runner-up for the NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award twice in his career"...plus a tough on ball defender in his prime. How quickly we forget... :\
In my opinion its too early to put him in an all time list I remember when when yao Ming was playing people where doing the same thing, then he got injured and the conversation was over As he said we have to wait till the end of his career
Idk why we need to wait till the end of his career? 2x MVP 1xFinals MVP plus a ring- homeboys already got a good resume, if he adds to it he’s definitively an all time player already
Listen to stats dude before you make video like this. You compare him to centers that were mostly doing what they supposed to for that particular position. This guy does everything and PLUS he involves his whole team. That what makes him the best of the best. MJ was making so many points per game, yet the rest of them getting leftovers. Kobe was doing the same thing...so 5th guy on that team you can't even remember the name. With Nuggets you even know who are the bench players. That's all thanks to Joker and team play. So stating your own opinion before you watch Joker play and read stats for whole season, records passed, I would say its pretty dumb! BLOCKED!
@@jpbefree Goat peak?? You dudes gotta stop the comedy session's 😂 🤣 Your trying too hard to crown a player that has had 2 good season and 1 playoff run in 10 years almost.
@@jpbefree No he has not. I watch basketball bro. He's been average to good but not DOMINANT like the last 2 mvp season's. Thats the level hes gonna have to be at for 8 to 10 years with multiple championships if he wants to be respected like the Shaqs, Kareems, Chamberlains, Jordans, Brons, Birds, Kobe, Magic. Chamberlain averaged 50 and 25 in a season. Jokic isnt busting a grape yet. I am cheering for him but he needs to do it LONGER.
@@sethvicious u guys r smoking crack or u don’t know basketball kevin durant is better than jokic it’s not debatable, stop the nonsense jokic is great he’s an all time great offensive talent and he’s going to the hof and he’s going to win the title in likely game 5 or at worst case scenario game 6. he is a champion. but he is not better than kd or shaq he’s not even the best in the world
@@carbiv dam u on the crack too? everybody on crack these days Y’all do realize jokic has been playing this way for years right? no one ever would dare say jokic is best in world they would have gotten laughed at but now because his TEAM is winning a few extra basketball games this szn u all want to say he’s the greatest center ever and best player in the world… it’s tuff to watch u guys say these things u guys have a problem , go get an eye and brain exam wtf
jokic= all time great offensive talent, he’s a hof but no he is not the best player in the world or best center ever none of that garbage… he’s a GREAT player but we got to chill this has gotten out of hand we have ppl think jokic better than shaq DELUSIONAL i can’t stress how delusional of take that is
@@sarumane5380 I agree with you Brodie, shit Dirk had Marion, Kidd, Terry, and Chandler experienced (old as they may be lol) players hungry for a championship. I Just think Jokics team with the youth and Murray is Abit stronger.
Jokic hasn’t fizzled out like Giannis has. Dude still can’t shoot, and still can’t hit free throws. He’s stagnant. Jokic improves every time he steps on the floor, and it’s measurable. Jokic isn’t getting enough respect, Giannis has gotten too much too soon off of one good playoff run.
I do think.jokic will.have claim to being a vetter all around player then lebron of course lebron is brttet at perimeter defense but jokic needs to keep this up for at least a good 6 more years
Why bcs he is not American even worst he is white,young what he proves with numbers Kawaii yeeeee why Kawaii make so much less then Jokic can't even be in same story! I was say Hi today to Jokic in my city have big horse games and Jokic bring his horse and his horse win in that race he was happy like kid!
Paul is one of my favorite players ever being a naturally less athletic person i used to study the HELL out of his slow bag but Jimmy has had just as impressive playoff runs minus the rings (also isnt surrounded by maybe 3 HOF’s)
Jokic was 2nd in rebounds the past 2 regular seasons, 2nd this post season, 13th all-time in playoff career rebound average with more than 50 games played, best rebounder in the playoffs of any current player. That IS ELITE my guy.
Y'all let me know when Jokic ever records 174 steals and 376 blocks in the same season while averaging 24ppg(#10 in the league), 14rpg(#1 in the league) and then we'll talk. David Robinsons rookie season was statistically better than Jokic best seasons
Jokić is a good defender, y’all must not have eyes. What do you call three blocks and three steals in Game 4? My bad, must have been the wind. The difference between Jokić and “good defenders” like Embiid is less than a point in rating during the regular season, and Jokić is third in the playoffs in defense. How is that bad?
I understand you guys are excited about Jokic but you gotta relax😂😂 I understand we live in a microwave society but he's literally had 2 mvp seasons and and 2-3 just good season in almost 10 years. Thats not good enough to be up there with the big dogs. The greatest all around player EVER is Lebron James. Lebron will be top 3 in Points, rebounds and assist's in NBA history when he's all done. Thats statistically DOMINATE. If Jokic puts in another 6-7 years of this dominance with multiple championships he has a chance to be top 10 to top 5 maybe. We will see. Also there's a difference between GOOD AND DOMINATE.
By your mark, Wilt is the best ever because he DOMINATES every record book and changed the rules so much. I do think Wilt is the best to ever play the game, though. If you put a 10 year-old Wilt Chamberlain into today’s society, with 60 years of advancements in medical practices, shoe design, health programs, and training programs, he would undoubtedly be the best player of all time.
@@aquatazer Statistically Wilt is the goat. He just doesn't have the championships to match his stats. If Wilt had 5-6 championships he probably would be the goat.
So according to you, if a player doesn't win MVP, they're having a bad season?! So Shaq, KG, Dirk and Kobe had 19 bad seasons? LeBron had 16? In 2018 he averaged 19P, 11R and 6A per game, leading the Nuggets to a 46-36 record in the stacked west. That's a better season than Trae Young had THIS season. In his prime. That's a bad season?! And every season since has been better than that one. And why are you acting like he clearly wasn't robbed of the MVP this season because of bias and narratives? Did he hurt your feelings? Mad 'cause he swept LeBron? And LeBron doesn't sniff the top 10 in rebounding.
@@ognjengaric2687 Twisting my word's I see. DOMINATE means mvp CALIBER year's. Nobody wins mvps every year stupid. And thats according to NBA standards and how its been since forever. All the legends dominated at their respective positions for 8-10 year's. Nobody was crowned after having 2 good dominate season's so thats not gonna start now. Jokic needs to dominate for 6-7 more years because early in his career he wasn't dominant until 2-3 years ago. Thats not long enough. Shaq, Kareem, Jordan, Bron, Chamberlain, Magic, Bird, Kobe dominated early and every year. Kobe got off to a slow start because of coaching but the rest is history. Jokic as a rookie averaged 10ppg. Bron straight out of high was 25 7 7.
@@ognjengaric2687 Biased narratives?? What did Jokic add to his numbers or his defensive efficiency that would give him a 3rd mvp?? His numbers were identical to his first mvp year number's. Did he improve his defense?? No!! So why should he have won for a 3rd time in a row??
he's put up stupid stat0s for years in the playoffs, but now that his second best player isn't post injury will barton, they're immediately in the finals, 1 win away from a ring. as for the 8th seed, this is the same exact 8 seed that spanked the bucks, man handled the knicks, then demolished the Celtics in the first 3 games like it was nothing
@@thankyouseann yeah, I'm a big jokic fan, and he's nowhere near cracking the top 10 all time (hopefully he can keep this up and make it), but with this absurd peak, plus the mvps and likely finals mvp, he's encroaching upon top 6 center all time imo
himmy highroller
how?
Banger meme lmao
If Jokic was playing for the Lakers or Celtics, the story from everyone would be that he's the greatest player to ever play the game.
Lol or if he wasnt white
No it wouldn’t because like Tim Duncan jokic is a player that belongs on the nuggets he is the system like Duncan was for the spurs, he wouldn’t have this same impact with a new team different players different coaching different plays just let him be great for a franchise that deserves their time in the limelight
@@spoodyR3 You must have never seen jokic play if this is what you think. Sad perspective.
@@spoodyR3damb you are fr one of those who believe that it's the "Nuggets system"? xD
Ever heard of the term "Jokic ball"? Yep, literally the whole team adapted to the way Jokic is playing which makes him a system lol
@@spoodyR3that is such a stupid take
That mavs team was not only the 3rd seed they were also top 5 in defense that year. It wasn’t that sorry of a team
Actually Im trippin he had 2003 and 2006 but he still choked in 06
they want to discredit dirk teammates to make dirk standout more and make him some sort of a hero .
@@togfanatic3781i mean he was a hero, just that he wasnt alone on that stage
@@togfanatic3781 Maybe because they were missing Caron Butler who was their 2nd best scorer and a very good defender due to injuries. Almost all the media members never pick them as their favorite to win any series, even against the OKC, reigning champion Kobe Lakers and especially against the Heat who had overwhelmingly favourites to win the chip.
@@jeyj4372 lebron choked in 2011 finals..If he played his usual level heat would've won in 5..
Emfraud is lookin real silent rn (sorry sixers fans)
Dont apologize. Sixers fans are the sorriest fans in existence.
Giannis is the one that got played. He had better numbers and had the most regular season wins in the regular season.
He got his make a wish MVP and said he was done hoopin lmao.
@@Judahscattered4corners-ms4lm Imagine if Giannis won just to get eliminated in the first round. Also, no, Jokic had the better season and only had fewer wins because the nuggets coasted after securing the 1 seed.
@carteriv This is Jokic best playoff run in almost 10 years. Giannis is waayyyy more accomplished as a player. How many first team all defense does Jokic have?? Dpoy?? None! Jokic is all offense against smaller player's and no defense. Giannis is superior.
I dont think hes an all around better player than bird, but probably second all time, dude is a monster.
his total points added doesn't include screen assists or hockey assists, he is EASILLY producing upwards of 65 points a game, and if we go stupid with it and account for gravity assists, he's close to 70. Dude is a freak
Not to mention free throws.
He passes them open, they get fouled and hit both FTs
But he gets no "stat" for his part in that scoring situation
His teammates are also just good. Didn’t look like this the last two years. Wonder why
@@Nyjeezy so…? If you’re implying that Jokic is getting carried I assure you that’s not the case.
@@Nisowyd He got swept without Murray last year in the first rd.
@@Judahscattered4corners-ms4lm Sure he did and was great even in that series with fucking Campazzo and Will that lost spot on Wizards team this season Burton as starters, and no bench at all. Also when he is on the bench even this season with this "awesome" teammates they go from best offense to the least efficient and worst offense in the entire league... Google it if you don't believe me.
I don’t get the Dirk comparisons with Jokic. In terms of play style Jokic is a lot like Larry Bird except Jokic is an even better playmaker than what Larry Bird was
I see a mix of Tim Duncan, Bird, Magic, and Dirk personally. He's really one of a kind, I don't see one player to compare him to.
His shooting mechanics are 1 to 1 with bird. But his low post game and passing is better.
Jokic is also a much more efficient player.
Let’s not get carried away. I was pretty good in my day.
Dirk didn’t had a player that offer a same threat as a Jamal Murray.
If he had, Dallas would have 1 more ring, arguably.
Jokic is as good of a scorer and a WAY better passer, a better rebounder and a better defender. The only thing Dirk really had over him was being a better shooter.
Dirk had a top 3 defence and a very deep team. People just act like he was by himself.
Dirk also didn't need an offensive threat to win his ring. He had one of the best defensive teams while being bad at defense himself. He had role players averaging like 15 ppg which was a lot of help back in 2011. If it wasnt for his team he would've never won. They carried themselves so much that most of dirks highlights from 2011 finals came from the end of the game, because his team helped him stay in there long enough for him to make big plays. Yall love to disrespect others to make your statement look more real. Also dont forget what teams did the mavs beat before the finals. They were no joke, and not because Dirk was there. He was an actual playoff joke before he won his ring.
Dirk played with Nash, Kidd, Finley, and monta ellis.
I've been watching the league since 1970 and he's the best team player and the most effective offensive player I've ever seen
Jokic is peaking higher than Lebron offensively.
Jokic was cooking tho 😮💨🔥🔥
Jokic is crazy good with out the ball 2
I was saying Jokic is almost as dominant as Shaq while having play making skills of Magic. But everyone laughed at the Shaq comparison
To be fair jokic was not going against big body beasts of centers this post season so his numbers in the paint can be a bit inflated atm however I think in the next few seasons teams will realize this and get them a player that can guard jokic better cause I love the heat but we have no center that can even attempt to guard jokic in the paint
@@spoodyR3Lol, what early 00s centers was Shaq facing? 😂
I have Jokic 7 behind Kareem, Bill, Wilt, Hakeem, Shaq, and Moses. No particular order. Just throwing out the names better than Jokic.
On the Jokic vs Dirk, Jokic clears. But the Mavs weren’t sorry. They were a 3 seed that season. Not really a bunch of bums. No all stars. But high quality players like what the Nuggets have.
I have Jokić at 6 behind everyone besides Moses. Moses was incredible, don’t get me wrong. But realistically Jokić should have 3 MVPs now. That ties Moses on that front. Jokić is the better all-around player, and that puts him above Moses for me. It’s very close at the moment though because Jokić doesn’t have the hardware to go along with his skills. But he’s gonna win a ring and Finals MVP in the next game(s).
@@aquatazer until he wins a title that is out of the discussion. And should be doesn’t matter. Moses DOES have 3 mvps. And was in the convo for more as well. Jokic isn’t their yet. And btw where is the George mikan love? Idc what era he played in, that man deserves his credit. Considering how much he contributed to the game, beingg that he was the original star and the original bigman, as well as him playing a large part in the creation of the 3pt shot as the first commissioner of the aba in the 60s. Mikan should either be 6 or 7 with his resume but people act like he doesn’t exist.
@Chancy the baby big 3 OKC****
Ok but in what universe are you in this comments section and know enough about Bill Russel to definitively put him over Jokic? 11 rings will never be outdone again, but I really don’t think it makes sense to compare with players from that far back
@@Amaling this is a dumb argument, to be blunt. We value Tim Duncan for his leadership and winning ability, and Bill Russell is undoubtedly the best in those two areas. He also beat Wilt and many other HoF players to win those championships. He’s got incredible stats for the type of basketball he played, and if you put him into any other era of basketball, he’d undoubtedly be an all-time great. He’s one of if not the best defensive players of all time.
Comparing players of the past and the present is how we get to the GOAT debate in general. We should use context, ability, and accomplishments to decide who is the greatest. Bill Russell absolutely should be top five Centers all-time, alongside Wilt. Same era, played head-to-head.
I hope you mean just on offense cause on Defense Jokic is not at all "All Around"
Jokic is the better Nugget.
To me Jokic answered the question of what if a center could pass as good as a point guard, it means you can't conventially guard him without him just seeing the play, take Joel I love him he's my favourite player and whilst he can score and defend much better his lack of playmaking makes doubling not jsut neccessary but mandatory because you know he won't make the best pass, although I can accept that someone who started basketball aged sixteen and was forced into the center position and didn't play european basketball to be a lesser passer
Imagine if Jokic got ripped and all of a sudden got even better athletically? Dude would be a monster
wym he’s already strong asf, and an athletic monster
@@abdiels1234 yea he's strong, but he ain't an athletic freak like Giannis
I think even in this form he can win more rings than LeBron
Depends on the teams they build around him
I think he's more dominant the way he is currently, his stamina is already insane, and I feel like his build helps him stay out of injury trouble. He's got some padding lmao, so unlike most stars, he's out there playing nearly every game.
Lol and that’s the reason why the media won’t give it up for him. I mean they just jumped from Jordan to lebron in negative seconds but jokic? Noooo his stats don’t matter nothing that mattered for lebron matters for jokic. This guy is clearly the best in the league not even close.
Dude, its a Jokic video and you are commenting on everything else and everybody else but Jokic. Wtf?
Homie starting to convince me he is the real ceeday🤠🙏🏽
Jokic is the greatest player of all time NBA have!
missed dese vids from u
Best all-around center 100%. Not close to Lebron in terms of all around game. Especially defensively (both in their prime of course)
Lebron cannot shoot mid/outside and cannot post up. Lebron is better all time defensively.
@@ghostaccountlmaoyou lied
Wait 2-3 years
Lebron came into the league day 1 superior. Jokic been in the league almost 10 years and just started playing good ball 2 years ago. We see what some fans are trying to do with Jokic and its not happening. Hes gonna have to earn his respect over the years of being dominate. Not just 2 good seasons and 1 playoff run and championship.
Lebron is not great in all around game? He played defense for like 5-6 years…then just did highlights on d for the rest of his career FACTS bc there is literally lebron horrible on defense compilations….he’s not a great mid or 3pt shooter, he never was, he’s just been okay there….most of his games from 3 are horrible. His best game is driving to the rim and using his size. Legit if he played how Jokic played he would already have the goat title and prolly a ring for each finger on one hand. But he doesn’t bc he’s not as dominate as jokic has been, which is also proven statistically. Lebrons only claim to anything over anyone is his length of time playing at a consistent level, without a doubt. But the real dominate players are the ones who had a unstoppable 5-6 year run with titles and trophies inbetween. Lebron doesn’t have that part in his career, and naw, losing in the finals every year isn’t a good excuse either.
The only person with gravity that rivals Jokic is Stephen Curry
He ain’t a two way player tho how can he be the best all around lol
Even if he has ‘improved’, he’s 7ft and averages 0.9 blocks a game. That’s shit
He’ll need to win DPOY to make that claim. I think you mean best all-around offensive player.
i mean... if your offensive impact is high enough to outweigh defense, then you can still be best overall... don't forget defense is like 20% of an nba game, it's all offense... there are no 2-0 games like in soccer, each team will score 100 nowadays ... and we have actual proof... despite how bad you think he is on defense, his box plus/minus is the highest in the league... meaning when he is on the floor his team outscores the opponent by the biggest margin in basketball, and that includes how much they give up
so no.... he doesn't need anything CLOSE to DPOY to make that claim... he just needs the highest overall impact to make that claim...
if you had a player who scored 100pts a game shooting 90% on 3s, you would never say he is not the best beause of his defense, right?.... so now we just need to find where that line is in reality where your contributions are enough
He don’t need a dpoy. But actually get recognized as a good defender. At most even nba defensive team
@@notimportant3686 To me if you're saying one of the best ever, you can only say overall if you're talking all aspects of the game. It's dismissive to players that DO, or DID have monster offense AND great defense.
Jokic is all offense and no defense. He can't guard a player in the special Olympics
@@ArielRPacheco so what about Magic, Curry or even Shaq (he was an ok-ish defender)
The big Joker
Jimmy a yt goat fr
Don't just talk over the video with semi-related thoughts. Why not stop the video instead?
Bruh he is only one point ahead of lebron on that final stat and bron was literally one of the best defenders ever lol
Lebron was never one of the best defenders
@@757bigj stfu he is literally lead finals with blocks,steals and was two times runner up in dpoy and was robbed from one of them in 2013
Jokic is among top 3 players in defense this postseason
@@757bigj "All-Defensive Team six times, and was a runner-up for the NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award twice in his career"...plus a tough on ball defender in his prime. How quickly we forget... :\
@@carbiv 🤦
Defense exists
In my opinion its too early to put him in an all time list
I remember when when yao Ming was playing people where doing the same thing, then he got injured and the conversation was over
As he said we have to wait till the end of his career
Idk why we need to wait till the end of his career? 2x MVP 1xFinals MVP plus a ring- homeboys already got a good resume, if he adds to it he’s definitively an all time player already
jimmy isnt lebron. jimmy is not good
They be forgetting jimmy just put up 14 points in a finals game
Watch Jokic retire this year cuz he bored of basketball
That would be crazy 💀😂😂
He’s the best player of the most skilled generation🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
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Why ask for DPOY if his number 1 in kick ball
Listen to stats dude before you make video like this. You compare him to centers that were mostly doing what they supposed to for that particular position. This guy does everything and PLUS he involves his whole team. That what makes him the best of the best. MJ was making so many points per game, yet the rest of them getting leftovers. Kobe was doing the same thing...so 5th guy on that team you can't even remember the name.
With Nuggets you even know who are the bench players. That's all thanks to Joker and team play. So stating your own opinion before you watch Joker play and read stats for whole season, records passed, I would say its pretty dumb! BLOCKED!
Is Jok done with his career?
Wassup mannn
He wins this chip, he’s immediately in GOAT talks with this run.
I'm a big Jokic fan but he's going to need to play at this level for a few more years before that discussion tbh
@@rkymtnchi503 GOAT peak not career (yet)
@@jpbefree Goat peak?? You dudes gotta stop the comedy session's 😂 🤣 Your trying too hard to crown a player that has had 2 good season and 1 playoff run in 10 years almost.
@@Judahscattered4corners-ms4lm he’s been great far longer than two seasons, that observation alone disqualifies you
@@jpbefree No he has not. I watch basketball bro. He's been average to good but not DOMINANT like the last 2 mvp season's. Thats the level hes gonna have to be at for 8 to 10 years with multiple championships if he wants to be respected like the Shaqs, Kareems, Chamberlains, Jordans, Brons, Birds, Kobe, Magic. Chamberlain averaged 50 and 25 in a season. Jokic isnt busting a grape yet. I am cheering for him but he needs to do it LONGER.
Nuggets are going to 3peat
Nuggets dynasty incoming
Jokic vs KD prime for prime?
Jokic because he isn't a fragile skeleton.
@@sethvicious u guys r smoking crack
or u don’t know basketball
kevin durant is better than jokic it’s not debatable, stop the nonsense
jokic is great he’s an all time great offensive talent and he’s going to the hof and he’s going to win the title in likely game 5 or at worst case scenario game 6. he is a champion.
but he is not better than kd or shaq he’s not even the best in the world
Im taking jokic but idk okc KD was a problem
@@carbiv dam u on the crack too?
everybody on crack these days
Y’all do realize jokic has been playing this way for years right? no one ever would dare say jokic is best in world they would have gotten laughed at
but now because his TEAM is winning a few extra basketball games this szn u all want to say he’s the greatest center ever and best player in the world…
it’s tuff to watch u guys say these things
u guys have a problem , go get an eye and brain exam wtf
jokic= all time great offensive talent, he’s a hof
but no he is not the best player in the world or best center ever none of that garbage… he’s a GREAT player but we got to chill this has gotten out of hand we have ppl think jokic better than shaq
DELUSIONAL
i can’t stress how delusional of take that is
Nah Jamal Murray is way better than anything dirk had during his run come on bruh not saying dirk is better but jokic has a better team around him imo
Sure, but people be acting like Dirk was carrying a G-League roster or undrafteds to the chip when that was clearly not the case.
@@sarumane5380 I agree with you Brodie, shit Dirk had Marion, Kidd, Terry, and Chandler experienced (old as they may be lol) players hungry for a championship. I Just think Jokics team with the youth and Murray is Abit stronger.
LeBron was off by 2 points from the record in 2020
All-Around includes defense.
And Jokic is a good defender…
@@ImGayWhenISayThisBut but he's not elite tho
@@deeznutz6312 a “good” defender is loose as hell, he’s a mediocre defender at best, he’s not a liability but he’s not good
@@deeznutz6312 doesn’t need to be elite to be the best all around player.
Who’s the best all around player then?
@@ImGayWhenISayThisButhe is a good rebounder. He is not a good defender and you would know it if you watched it
W Clique
So after Giannis playoff run a while back everyone hopped on that bandwagon and said he was like top 20 all time. What do we say about The Joker then
Jokic hasn’t fizzled out like Giannis has. Dude still can’t shoot, and still can’t hit free throws. He’s stagnant. Jokic improves every time he steps on the floor, and it’s measurable. Jokic isn’t getting enough respect, Giannis has gotten too much too soon off of one good playoff run.
@@tylerroe5175 thats kinda my point, I agree with all that.
@@GhostOfScarif The media still rides Giannis like crazy. Can’t understand why when Jokic is noticeably better than he is 😂
Giannis is still like top 25
to me the biggest problem I have with Giannis is his fake reputation as an all time defender
Durk beat prime lebron
I do think.jokic will.have claim to being a vetter all around player then lebron of course lebron is brttet at perimeter defense but jokic needs to keep this up for at least a good 6 more years
Why bcs he is not American even worst he is white,young what he proves with numbers Kawaii yeeeee why Kawaii make so much less then Jokic can't even be in same story! I was say Hi today to Jokic in my city have big horse games and Jokic bring his horse and his horse win in that race he was happy like kid!
Are you compare jimmy with Paul Pierce?? 😂 omg probably you don’t saw Paul
Paul is one of my favorite players ever being a naturally less athletic person i used to study the HELL out of his slow bag but Jimmy has had just as impressive playoff runs minus the rings (also isnt surrounded by maybe 3 HOF’s)
@@CliqueClips i agree about jimmy, really athletic and has been impressive 👍🏻
@@CliqueClips true
Jimmy Cliqueroller
he not more complete than prime lebron
The advanced metrics and stats say otherwise.
He's better
@@matthewd6306longevity says otherwise jokic is already damn near 30
Where is the defense though??
Ngl giannis could guard him
SMOD
Need to stop video when start talking
shout out
Bill and wilt gotta go chief jokic is too skilled and shaq and jokic are close
He’s the best passer and a top 2 or 3 shooter,his post is elite but his defense and rebounding aren’t all time great. For a center
rebounding certainly is and defense in space is elite, the further away from the basket the worse he gets, the way 90% of centers do
Jokic was 2nd in rebounds the past 2 regular seasons, 2nd this post season, 13th all-time in playoff career rebound average with more than 50 games played, best rebounder in the playoffs of any current player. That IS ELITE my guy.
@@RikuFemma you right
Dirk would be killing in today's league we need to calm down
And he would be getting killed on defense he would be forced to play center ngl
We talking about a guy 6th all time in scoring
I agree
No link in the description or even in a pinned comment for the content you’re reacting to is an automatic downvote, sorry.
Jokic better eat why he can wembanyama finna take over this league and all this jokic goat talk gone sound ridiculous
Casual
No... He's not lol
All-around? Joker is a terrible man on man defender.
Y'all let me know when Jokic ever records 174 steals and 376 blocks in the same season while averaging 24ppg(#10 in the league), 14rpg(#1 in the league) and then we'll talk. David Robinsons rookie season was statistically better than Jokic best seasons
Lmfao all around means you gotta be really good defensively. Joker is not. He's definitely one of the most complete OFFENSIVE PLAYERS ever.
He’s not a liability on defense anymore he’s certainly improved
Jokić is a good defender, y’all must not have eyes. What do you call three blocks and three steals in Game 4? My bad, must have been the wind. The difference between Jokić and “good defenders” like Embiid is less than a point in rating during the regular season, and Jokić is third in the playoffs in defense. How is that bad?
Laughable take
You must be smokin'. This Era soft af
I understand you guys are excited about Jokic but you gotta relax😂😂 I understand we live in a microwave society but he's literally had 2 mvp seasons and and 2-3 just good season in almost 10 years. Thats not good enough to be up there with the big dogs. The greatest all around player EVER is Lebron James. Lebron will be top 3 in Points, rebounds and assist's in NBA history when he's all done. Thats statistically DOMINATE. If Jokic puts in another 6-7 years of this dominance with multiple championships he has a chance to be top 10 to top 5 maybe. We will see. Also there's a difference between GOOD AND DOMINATE.
By your mark, Wilt is the best ever because he DOMINATES every record book and changed the rules so much. I do think Wilt is the best to ever play the game, though. If you put a 10 year-old Wilt Chamberlain into today’s society, with 60 years of advancements in medical practices, shoe design, health programs, and training programs, he would undoubtedly be the best player of all time.
@@aquatazer Statistically Wilt is the goat. He just doesn't have the championships to match his stats. If Wilt had 5-6 championships he probably would be the goat.
So according to you, if a player doesn't win MVP, they're having a bad season?! So Shaq, KG, Dirk and Kobe had 19 bad seasons? LeBron had 16? In 2018 he averaged 19P, 11R and 6A per game, leading the Nuggets to a 46-36 record in the stacked west. That's a better season than Trae Young had THIS season. In his prime. That's a bad season?! And every season since has been better than that one. And why are you acting like he clearly wasn't robbed of the MVP this season because of bias and narratives? Did he hurt your feelings? Mad 'cause he swept LeBron? And LeBron doesn't sniff the top 10 in rebounding.
@@ognjengaric2687 Twisting my word's I see. DOMINATE means mvp CALIBER year's. Nobody wins mvps every year stupid. And thats according to NBA standards and how its been since forever. All the legends dominated at their respective positions for 8-10 year's. Nobody was crowned after having 2 good dominate season's so thats not gonna start now. Jokic needs to dominate for 6-7 more years because early in his career he wasn't dominant until 2-3 years ago. Thats not long enough. Shaq, Kareem, Jordan, Bron, Chamberlain, Magic, Bird, Kobe dominated early and every year. Kobe got off to a slow start because of coaching but the rest is history. Jokic as a rookie averaged 10ppg. Bron straight out of high was 25 7 7.
@@ognjengaric2687 Biased narratives?? What did Jokic add to his numbers or his defensive efficiency that would give him a 3rd mvp?? His numbers were identical to his first mvp year number's. Did he improve his defense?? No!! So why should he have won for a 3rd time in a row??
I’m taking Paul George in his prime over any of those guys
Bruh best ALL AROUND CENTER? over one playoffs run where he dubbed a 8 seed heat…YALL takes are so horrible bro
he's put up stupid stat0s for years in the playoffs, but now that his second best player isn't post injury will barton, they're immediately in the finals, 1 win away from a ring. as for the 8th seed, this is the same exact 8 seed that spanked the bucks, man handled the knicks, then demolished the Celtics in the first 3 games like it was nothing
@@michaelbietsch2864 great point
@@thankyouseann yeah, I'm a big jokic fan, and he's nowhere near cracking the top 10 all time (hopefully he can keep this up and make it), but with this absurd peak, plus the mvps and likely finals mvp, he's encroaching upon top 6 center all time imo
He's already top 10 all time
@@FGPlus not top 10 all time please stop.
JOKIC IS ALREADY THE BEST PLAYER THAT HAS EVER EXISTED! STOP BEING RACISTS!!!!