@@dickgregory1218 The word "law" never once occurs in John 3:16 . Nor ever once in any conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God passage in the Bible . Show me ONE example of Jesus requiring Observance of the Law of Moses to be born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life ? Your argument is ridiculously ABSENT the slightest shred of Exegetical evidence .
@@dickgregory1218 The law never justified anyone . Only faith in the Christ (Jesus) is the means of endless Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God: Romans 4:1-8 . Your entire scheme is utterly ABSENT Objectively verifiable evidence . You're very obviously lying .
John 3:16 For God so once (past tense) agape loved the people of this world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who has continued faith and strives to obey and lives in Him will not be cast into the lake of fire but will have everlasting life.
I believe many people that cannot come to believe that Jesus did it all for us, are saying his blood is not even as powerful as the blood of animals, because the people of Israel knew the blood of animals was powerful enough for a year of covering their sin, but not the taking away of their sins. We have been "past tense" redeemed by his blood and forgiven of our sins, not have our sins covered for a year. That was a very good analogy, especially the squeaky voice of Mike, but the knockout power he had. Jesus was meek, but his death was powerful enough to take away the sins of the whole world, what a powerful but Gracias God we serve.
Jesus said the only way sins are forgiven is through repentance. Without repentance sins are not forgiven. No where in the Bible did anyone preach believe in Jesus for everlasting life to be saved.
@@2Chronicles714_ Jesus himself did, John did. Paul and by extension Luke also did. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved". You misunderstand what belief means. It is not mystical but conviction of a truth you cant see hebrews 11:1
Wonderful clarity Ken . So vital to point to the Bullseye : John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 . Little kids easily understand that a Free Gift has No Price Tag attached to its reception . Same with the Free and Never Deserving Gift of irrevocable Everlasting Life (John 4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,11:23-27) !
@Ok-qt. How do you make this verse from John confirm that John's gospel is for unbelievers and once saved always saved? Jesus speaking John 16:1 All this I have told you so that you will not fall away.
@@2Chronicles714_ Where does that passage state the following : "..."so that you will not fall away and thus end up in the Everlasting lake of fire" ? ***Exegetically , your Burden of Proof is to Objectively produce an Endless/Forever/Everlasting/Eternal duration due to one's failure to Persevere till death in your 5 part Performance Contract. Clearly and undeniably you've NOT done that here , nor EVER .
@@2Chronicles714_ One can't "fall away" from something they don't possess . Everlasting Life is - by definition - without an Expiration Date attached . You don't have eternal salvation - the Free Gift of His PERFECT Righteousness - till after physical death , having "successfully completed the Performance Contract (with a behavioral performance (works) level (%) that you clearly DON'T KNOW nor can you OBJECTIVELY QUANTIFY) . So that's why you FEAR THE ENDLESS LAKE OF FIRE . Cuz you've rejected His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life , in favor of your IMPERFECT and entirely fallible Filthy Rags righteousness attempts to "come in some other way" by means of being hopefully good enough till death... A frankly miserable and futile existence , if I'm being perfectly honest . You're clearly stealing all the Glory due to Him alone for having Finished all our works attempts in His PERFECT Sacrifice that lays bare the utter lunacy of thinking one's works are meritorious of Decisive in one's Everlasting destination .
@@DannyLoyd Why try to ADD to John 3:16 ? That can only contradict John 3:16 & every other Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/endless Justification before God passage in Scripture . Jesus doesn't lie to the little ones , unencumbered by years of self righteous hardening against His Grace .
@@DannyLoyd@DannyLoyd Your works righteousness affirmation can Never regenerate anyone forever , because it is the quintessence of unbelief in Him for what He actually Certifies: John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 . Your doctrine is undeniably identical in substance to the Judaizers/unregenerate Scribes and Pharisees (Matthew 23) that "never came to Him for Life" , rather seeking to "justify themselves in the sight of men" , having rejected the Free Gift . Yet , to enter His Kingdom , one's righteousness "must exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees" . You're really stuck in an insuperable dilemma : one can only enter with the Only "Suitable Suit" of His Perfect Righteousness that is imputed only to them who believe in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of endless Everlasting Life , apart from all behavioral performance (works) . You're instead attempting the same Broad Path template forged by the Scribes and Pharisees , and the same Prideful arrogance is readily apparent . You think your "Stellar" Performance will be the Decisive factor in your Everlasting destination , not unlike your Predecessors , as opposed to simple childlike faith in Him for His Free and Never Deserving Gift . No such possibility exists , in Reality . It's ALL OR NOTHING . EITHER/OR . Only when "working for a Free Gift" is understood as an impossibility , does His undeserved Grace make any sense . As it stands , your 5 Part works righteousness Contract puts His undeserved Grace * infinitely * Out of Reach .
The moment a person believes in Jesus, he has passed from death to life (John 5:24), he has everlasting life (John 6:47), he will never hunger or thirst for everlasting life (John 4:10, 14; 6:35), he will never perish (John 3:16; 10:27), and he will never die (John 11:26). Truly good news!
John 16:1 All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. John's gospel is clearly written for already repented believers and Jesus Himself warns of falling away.
@@DannyLoyd The Truth Will Set You Free (John 8:30-32) by Bob Wilkin INTRODUCTION ften this passage is misconstrued to teach that there is such a thing as people who believe in Jesus and yet are not born again because their belief does not result in perseverance. Yet the passage teaches a remarkably different message that should not be missed. This passage shows that the Free Grace position does not promote sin. It promotes holiness. The only way to escape the clutches of sin’s bondage at the practical level is by abiding in Christ and His truth. Doctrine matters. The issue in this passage is whether those who believe in Jesus will experience freedom from sin’s bondage. While we are free positionally (Romans 6), we only will be free in our experience if God’s Word takes up residence (Robert Munger: My Heart, Christ’s Home). THESE ARE REAL BELIEVERS Notice that it is the Apostle John, not the new believers themselves, who says that they believed in Jesus. John says this not once, but twice. Thus if we take the text at face value, these people are born again. They are what some would call real believers. I don’t like that expression since it tends to convey different types of faith (head vs. heart faith, Spirit-generated vs. flesh-generated, miracle faith vs. repentant faith, etc.). In any case, these people really believe. But this is not the way that most commentators understand these verses. In fact, commentators are nearly united in belief that these are false professors who have a sort of faith, miracle faith some call it, that is not true faith. D. A. Carson concludes concerning the faith in John 8:30-32: John had already introduced the theme of fickle faith. In 2:23, the many people who believed in his name when they saw the miraculous signs Jesus was doing turn out to have untrustworthy faith (2:24-25)…Some believe in Jesus: whether or not their faith is genuine cannot be determined by the linguistic expression selected by the Evangelist. But Jesus now lays down exactly what it is that separates spurious faith from true faith, fickle disciples from genuine disciples: If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples [italics his]. The verb rendered ‘hold’ is meno„, to abide, to remain-a theme of critical importance that returns in a concentrated way in chapter 15. In short, perseverance is the mark of true faith [italics added], of real disciples. A genuine believer remains in Jesus’ ‘word’ (logos), his teaching (cf. notes on 1:1): i.e. such a person obeys it, seeks to understand it better, and finds it more precious, more controlling, precisely when other forces flatly oppose it” (The Gospel According to John, Eerdmans, 1991, pp. 347-48). Leon Morris discusses several interpretations which he ultimately rejects including the following: 1. The faith in John 8:30 is real faith and that in John 8:31 is false. 2. The faith in both John 8:30 and 31 is real. 3. These are not the words of John at all, but the words of a clumsy redactor. Morris then gives his view, which is the same as that of Carson: It is best to think that John is speaking of men who had made an outward profession, but that in this particular case it did not go very deep. Jesus’ words then are meant to drive home to formal and casual adherents something of the meaning of true discipleship. If men in any sense believe in Him it is important that they be led to see what real faith means [italics added] (The Gospel According to John, Eerdmans, 1971, p. 455). A few sentences later Morris adds, “the test [of real faith] is ‘abiding’” (p. 456). If these are indeed genuine believers, contrary to what most commentators say, then how do we explain what the Lord says in the verses which immediately follow John 8:30-32? Note what Jesus goes on to say to “them”: “You seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you” (8:37). “You seek to kill Me” (8:40). “You are of your father, the devil” (8:44). “You do not believe Me” (8:45). “Why do you not believe Me?” (8:46). “You are not of God” (8:47). “I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me” (8:49). First, it is clear that the people in vv 33-47 are not the same as those in vv 30-32. In vv 30-31, John twice says that the people to whom he was referring believed in Jesus. Yet in vv 45-46, the Lord says that the people He was speaking to did not believe Him. These must be two different groups or else John did not realize he was contradicting himself, which is impossible since this is Scripture. Second, if we follow the third person plurals (they, them) in the entire chapter, we find that there is a larger hostile group that runs through the whole chapter (see John 8:2, 4, 6, 7, 12, 14, 19, 21, 23, 25, 27, 28, 33, 34, 39, 41, 42, 59) and there is a smaller group in vv 30-32 that believes in Jesus. Clearly vv 30-32 are parenthetical. Verse 33 resumes the discussion with the hostile group. Third, being a disciple of Jesus is not the same as being a believer in Jesus. In order to believe in Jesus one must simply believe in Him. In order to be a disciple of Jesus one must abide in His teachings, which includes, of course, the teaching of His Apostles. The reason why commentators stumble here is because they equate the condition of discipleship with the condition of regeneration. Fourth, John 3:16 says that “whoever believes in Him” has everlasting life. And the Apostle John in 8:30 says that “many believed in Him.” The Greek is identical. Thus those in v 30 have everlasting life. Otherwise John again is not only sloppy, but contradicts himself, which is impossible. Fifth, as Carson shows, this understanding of John 8:30-32 is influenced by one's understanding of John 2:23-25. If one misinterprets John 2:23-25, he will then bring his faulty interpretation to John 8:30-32, which is simpler and clearer. This is reversing the analogy of faith. Sixth, the experience of freedom from bondage to sin is not something all believers enjoy. To equate that freedom with the new birth is a serious error. The following sections explore more carefully this issue of freedom from sin’s bondage. FREEDOM (EXPERIENTIAL) FROM SIN’S BONDAGE, NOT FREEDOM FROM THE PENALTY OF SIN, IS IN VIEW If one reads vv 30-32 without prejudice, the interpretation is clear: Those who believe in Jesus are capable of being set free, but that freedom only emerges as the believer abides in Jesus’ teachings. This is borne out by the exchange that follows. First, the unbelieving Jews in the larger audience say, “We have never been in bondage to anyone” (v 33). Second, Jesus says, “Whoever commits sin is a slave of sin” (v 34). Therefore, the issue in v 32 of being set free is being set free from slavery to sin. Let’s now consider the issue of abiding in order to be set free. FREEDOM (EXPERIENTIAL) FROM SIN’S BONDAGE REQUIRES ABIDING IN GOD’S WORD Here and in Romans 6, we find that abiding in Jesus’ teachings is necessary in order to experience freedom from sin’s bondage. In both places we find that believers are not automatically set free in their experience from sin’s bondage.
@@DannyLoyd (Dr. Wilkin clarifies John 8) "In vv 31-36 the Lord touches on both kinds of freedom from sin’s bondage, positional (vv 34-36, speaking to unbelievers) and experiential (vv 31-32, speaking to believers). Paul gives a detailed explanation in Romans 6. “Whoever sins is a slave of sin” is parallel to 1 John 3:9. The born-of-God part of us never sins. Sin comes from the flesh, not the new birth. Obviously everyone sins (Rom 3:23; 1 John 1:8, 10). But that is not what the Lord is saying here. He is saying that there is such a thing as someone who is, in his position, free from sin and never sins as an expression of that inner self, often called the new nature. Unbelievers need to be set free from bondage to sin in their experience. But believers need to experience that freedom. That is clear in John 8:31-32 and Romans 6: “He who has died has been freed from sin” (Rom 6:7). “Reckon yourself to be dead indeed to sin” (Rom 6:11). “Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies” (Rom 6:12). “Sin shall not have dominion over you” (Rom 6:14). “You were [before the new birth] slaves of sin” (Rom 6:17). “Having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness” (Rom 6:18). “Present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness” (Rom 6:19). “When [before the new birth] you were slaves of sin” (Rom 6:20). “Having been set free from sin and having become slaves of God” (Rom 6:22). It is impossible to read Romans 6 without seeing that there are two types of freedom from sin’s bondage, experiential (Rom 6:11, 12, 16, 19) and positional (Rom 6:7, 14, 17, 18, 20, 22). And we find in both Romans 6 and John 8 that the means to this victory is by abiding in the teachings of Jesus and His Apostles. Romans 6 is all about how we view ourselves. Do we see ourselves in light of God’s Word? Or do we view ourselves in light of what the world says about us? I remember when the book Birthright by David Needham came out. I read it and went to Zane and told him I didn’t like it because it promoted Lordship Salvation. I was shocked by Zane’s reply. He told me something like this: Lordship Salvation is not the point of the book, though it is there. The real point of the book is a fantastic point and hence this is a fantastic book. Needham argues that believers are at the core of their beings sinless. He argues that believers should not see themselves as slaves of sin, but as slaves of righteousness. Needham rightly argues that it is vital for believers to recognize who they really are. If we think we are slaves of sin, we will likely live that way and not be bothered by what we view as inevitable. If we believe we are free from sin’s bondage, then we likely live free and not tolerate slavery to sin. Remember Rom 12:1-2. From where does transformation of life come? Paul says it comes by the renewing of our minds. It is a mental issue. It comes from God’s Word and from abiding in it. This leads to a related point on how we are to live out our freedom from sin’s bondage. THE CHRISTIAN LIFE IS NOT PRIMARILY A MATTER OF DETERMINATION TO OBEY I don’t recall discussing the issue of the place of the will and of determination in the Christian life with Zane until long after I studied under him. When we were in church together at Victor Street Bible Chapel in Dallas we discussed this issue. At the time, around 1992, I thought that obedience was primarily a matter of practice (i.e., the spiritual disciplines) and desire and determination, like what is needed to finish a marathon. Zane told me he believed that my view was essentially a legalistic view. If I just determine not to do the evil and determine instead to do the good, then I am trapped in a Romans 7 experience. Focusing on the commands produces enslavement to sin, not freedom from it. Zane explained that while we need to desire to please God and to obey God, the way in which we do that is not by ratcheting up our determination. It is by realizing who we are in Christ and then allowing God’s Word to transform us. Back then he pointed me to verses that he later championed in Six Secrets of the Christian Life, Rom 12:1-2 and 2 Cor 3:18.So while a determination to obey is a fine thing in one sense, we must recognize that in itself it is actually insufficient. We need the Spirit of God to apply the Word of God to our thinking, and to renew our minds, so that the desired transformation will occur. I found this a radical and thoroughly Biblical teaching then. And I see now that it is rooted in the Lord’s teachings in John 8:30-32. FREE GRACE THEOLOGY IS NOT ANTINOMIAN AND IT DOES TEACH ACCOUNTABILITY Implicit in the teaching of John 8:31-32 and Romans 6 is that we are called to live in our experience as we are in our position. Believers are free from sin’s bondage in our position. Thus we should reckon that it is so and live like who we really are. Also in the background of John 8:31-32 and Roman 6 is the issue of accountability. How we live matters. We reap what we sow. APPLICATIONS A number of applications come to mind: 1. Believers should not only have assurance of everlasting life, but also assurance that we are no longer slaves of sin in our position. 2. Believers should have an ongoing mindset that they are slaves of righteousness and that they are no longer slaves of sin. 3. We should recognize that the Christian life is primarily a battle of the mind. 4. Realize that dedication, as valuable as it is, is an insufficient means of victory in the Christian life. Indeed, dedication without a renewed mind actually produces slavery to sin in one’s experience. 5. Do not question your own assurance of everlasting life, or that of anyone else, on the basis of lifestyle and works. Assurance of everlasting life is found simply in believing what the Lord has promised. It has nothing to do with our works or our freedom from sin in our experience. 6. Pray for God to give you a renewed mind and pray that He causes you to abide in God’s Word. 7. Go to a church that is clear on the free gift of everlasting life and the costly yet blessed value of abiding in Christ’s teachings. CONCLUSION The words, “You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free,” are not magical words that refer to any and all kinds of truth and any and all kinds of freedom. They are powerful words that refer specifically to the truth the Lord Jesus and His Apostles taught and to the specific freedom from bondage to sin in one’s experience. Yes, perseverance is a condition for freedom from sin’s bondage in our daily lives. It is not a condition of everlasting life. But abiding daily in Jesus’ words is required for us to experience victory in our Christian lives. I grew up in an alcoholic family. For years I had a victim mentality. I thought I was a victim in life. Woe is me. I can’t be a nice guy, a good husband, a good employer, or someone who is easy to get along with because I am damaged goods. But later I came to see that such thinking is unbiblical. I am not my past experiences. I have been damaged, yes. But I am a slave of righteousness. God can transform my life and He does as long as I abide in the teachings of God’s Word. I sometimes slip back into a victim mentality, but for the most part I now see myself as a slave of righteousness. I realize that my eternal self is sinless. While I have trouble at the emotional level viewing my life in a positive sense, I realize that I have changed a lot over the last 40 years as a result of the transforming power of God’s Word in my life. While I’m not what I’m going to be, I am far more than I used to be. God has changed me for the better. Please be patient, God is not finished with me yet, is of course true. But I know who I am and I am not a slave of sin. May we praise God for our freedom. We are free to live righteously. We are free to please God. We are free to live in such a way that one day soon the Lord will say to us, “Well done, good servant” (Luke 19:17)." Bob Wilkin is the Executive Director of Grace Evangelical Society.
@@DannyLoyd So , on your works righteousness affirmation , one Never has irrevocable Everlasting Life till they earn it by being "hopefully good enough" till death . That's impossible . Jesus stated that "Noone is good but God alone" . That's me , you , and every other mere human . So , you whole message makes no sense according to what Jesus said . Paul's endless Justification before God section (Romans 3 20-5:11) .declares that all working for His Free Gift EXCLUDES His Imputation of Perfect Righteousness (the Gift itself) : Romans 4:1-8 . Belief that Jesus is the Christ - who gives endless Everlasting Life - alone regenerates forever (John 1:12-13,3:1-218,4:28-47,5:24,10,11:23-27,20:31 ; 1 John 5:1,10-13 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 . Totally apart from all behavioral performance (works) : Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; Book of Galatians . Acts 2:36-41 demonstrates precisely that belief in the Christ as the Giver of the endless Gift alone regenerates forever , as Dr. Wilkin clarifies : Assurance in Acts 2:36-38 March 2, 2021 by Bob Wilkin in Blog - Acts 2:36-38, Assurance of Salvation, the meaning of the Christ Z. P. asks this important question: Bob, you said in regard to Acts 2:37-38, that when the Jewish hearers of Peter’s sermon were “cut to the heart,” that is the time they believed that Jesus is the Christ. I’m struggling to see assurance as the essence of saving faith in this passage. Are you saying that the moment they were cut to the heart is the moment they knew for sure that they had everlasting life? Are you able to share any thoughts on this? We have suggested elsewhere (see Lanny Thomas Tanton’s article here) that Acts 2:38 is not an evangelistic invitation by Peter, but instead it is an invitation for new believers to come into fellowship with God. We have written elsewhere (see here for a list of multiple articles) that assurance is of the essence of saving faith. That is, at the moment one believes in Jesus for everlasting life, he knows that he has everlasting life that can never be lost. What is assurance? That is at the heart of this question. To be assured of something is to be convinced it is true. In other words, assurance is another word for faith. I believe that Canada is north of the U.S. I’m assured that is true. So, the question is whether Peter’s Jewish hearers that day believed that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah (cf. John 11:27; 20:31; 1 John 5:1). They clearly did. Peter was persuading the crowd that Jesus of Nazareth was not a false Messiah, but indeed was the long-promised Messiah. After citing Ps 110:1, a Messianic verse in a Messianic Psalm, Peter said, “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:37). Notice the words know assuredly. They did come to know assuredly. That is evident when Luke says, “they were cut to the heart” and then reports them asking, “What shall we do?” They were convinced that Jesus is the Messiah. And what did Peter mean when He said that Jesus whom they crucified is both Lord and Christ. In light of John 11:27; 20:31; and 1 John 5:1, he meant that the Messiah guarantees everlasting life to all who believe in Him. They believed in Him and so they were assured that they had everlasting life that cannot be lost. If they were not yet born again, then Peter would not have invited them to be baptized. Peter and the apostles only baptized born-again people. If they were not yet born again, Peter would have spoken further of the need to believe that Jesus is the Christ who guarantees the eternal destiny of all who believe in Him for it. Notice that in verse 41 Luke says, “Then those who gladly received his word were baptized.” He also says, “that day about three thousand souls were added to them [i.e., became part of the Body of Christ].” To gladly receive the preached word is to believe it. Only believers are added to the Body of Christ.
@@DannyLoyd @DannyLoyd The Parable of the Sower clearly refutes the "Obedient faith/faith = Perseverance till death in 24/7/365 working to Earn and DESERVE the Free and Never Deserving Gift . Dr. Wilkin refutes the Faith = a Lifetime of "hopefully good enough works" concept : Impossible Interpretation of the Parable of the Four Soils July 24, 2018 by Bob Wilkin in Blog - Eternal Security, Luke 8:12-13, saving faith, Temporary Faith “Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.” -Luke 8:12-13 In a message entitled, “Superficial and Genuine Believers” at Bible.org (see here), Pastor Steve Cole says: The four soils can be grouped into two categories: the unfruitful and the fruitful. All four soils hear the Word. The first soil is the only one not to accept it at all. The second soil accepts the seed briefly and shows initial promise, but it soon dies out. The third soil seems to make even further progress, but eventually the thorns choke it out. Only the fourth soil eventually bears fruit. Some would argue that since the last three soils accepted the seed, and since it is stated about the seed on the rocky soil that “they believe for a while” (8:13), these all are saved; only the first category is lost. But, clearly Jesus gives no encouragement or comfort to any except those in the fourth category. Darrell Bock explains (Luke [IVP], pp. 148-149), Faith saves; the absence of faith does not. So to believe for a time is not to believe in a commendable way, since the end result is not faith. One cannot end up unbelieving and have a faith that saves, for then salvation comes in unbelief. Another way to say this is that genuine faith is permanent….Our theological problems may emerge here because we tend to view faith as a response of the moment. The New Testament stresses that faith in Jesus is permanent, being established by a rebirth. Its permanence is suggested by its nature as the product of the regenerating work of God…. Until the second sentence in his second paragraph, Cole is headed toward the conclusion that the second soil represents born-again people. However, he then diverts off the path and ends up embracing a very common interpretation which happens to be illogical. While I agree that “to believe for a time is not to believe in a commendable way,” that in no way suggests that “the end result is not faith.” That view is saying that when the Lord said that those in the rocky soil “believed for a while,” He did not mean what He said. Let’s try to rewrite what the Lord said so that it fits the interpretation that believing for a time is not believing. How about, “they believed for a while, but they did not believe during that time”? No. That is a contradiction. How about, “they believed for a time, but since they did not continue believing, their initial belief was shown to be bogus.” That too is a contradiction. If a person believes for a while, no matter how short or long that time is, then during that time he believes. If a person believes the saving message for a month, then he believes the saving message during that month. If he believes for a year, then he believes during that year. If he believes for a decade, then he believes during that decade. That is why the devil snatches the word out of their hearts: “lest they should believe and be saved.” The devil believes in eternal security. He knows that the moment a person believes in Jesus for everlasting life, then that person is saved once and for all. Now it would not be illogical to say that the man was saved during the time when he believed the saving message and that he lost his salvation when he stopped believing. Logical, but incorrect since the Lord taught eternal security as even the devil knows. The Lord Jesus said that the one who believes in Him shall never perish, shall not come into judgment, shall never hunger, shall never thirst, and shall never die (John 3:16; 5:24; 11:26). For those who formally believe in eternal security, and yet who believe that one must persevere in faith in order to have everlasting life, they must resort to an impossible interpretation of many texts, including the Parable of the Four Soils. When your theology says that believing in the Lord Jesus Christ is not enough to have everlasting life which can never be lost, it is time to change your theology. When your theology drives you to adopt impossible interpretations, it is time to allow the Word of God to change your thinking. There is no time requirement regarding believing in Jesus for everlasting life. Let’s say that Sally is driving on the freeway and hears J. Vernon McGee preaching the message of John 3:16 on the radio. She believes in Jesus and is born again right there in her car. Then a minute later a drunk driver crosses the median, hits her head on, and she dies. Where would she go? Heaven, right? All would agree. But she only believed for a minute! So? There is no time requirement. But what if Sally survived the car accident and went through many surgeries and got hooked on pain medication? What if a year later Sally stopped believing in Jesus as a result of her trying circumstances? Now where would she go when she died? Many would say she would go to hell because she stopped believing. In this odd view it was unfortunate that she didn’t die in that accident. Then she would have gone to heaven. Guaranteed. In this strange theology the best thing that could happen to a person is to die at the moment of faith. That way the time requirement does not kick in. The Lord Jesus promised that the moment a person believes in Him he has ever-lasting life which can never be lost. No matter what! As one of my seminary professors, Dr. Charles Ryrie, liked to say, “If everlasting life could be lost, it has the wrong name.”
GES misses the whole point of salvation, the forgiveness of our sins. The Apostle Paul begins his presentation of the gospel by stating that the wrath of God is revealed against the ungodliness and unrighteousness of men (Rom. 1:18), and then goes on to spend 2 entire chapters outlining the sin, guilt and depravity of the human race. so that when he comes to explain salvation, it is a matter of justification by faith (3:23-26), a matter of being declared righteous in the sight of God. That's why God commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts. 17:30; II Pet. 3:9). Therefore sinners are to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins (Acts. 2:38). It's hard to see how the Bible can be more plain than that.
Wrong . You're working for a Free and Never Deserving Gift . A manifest absurdity . It's about the Free Gift of Endless Everlasting Life , as the Object and Content of one's faith whereby one is forever born again . Forgiveness of sins is a benefit of His PERFECT work of Redemption that is only given to them Born Again with irreversible Life (Acts 10) . It is an ongoing Fellowship Discipleship privilege to the brethren invested with His PERFECT Righteousness (the Gift itself) : 1 John 1:6-9 . It's NEVER the Sine Qua Non (Bullseye) in any conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God passage in the Bible . Jesus never stated: "He who believes in Me has forgiveness of sins" . Repentance is works. Not faith . You contradict Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; and the book of Galatians . Water Baptism never regenerated anyone , ever .
You cannot be saved by Faith alone nor by faith and good work. Why? Salvation is a free gift of God the Father to all who believe in His Son Jesus Christ as a sacrifice for the payment of our sin when He died on the cross, buried and rose again. You have nothing else to do but believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross for you. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; 1 Timothy 1:15-16; Acts 16:30-31 We cannot be saved by Faith alone nor by faith and good work but by grace of God through faith in Christ. If you really believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, He will give you not a temporary life but eternal life and assurance of salvation from God's punishment of your sin. Yes, you will not be judged and punished because you believed in the Lord Jesus who were punished for your sin, and you will know it according to the Word of God. Isaiah 53:2-12; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Acts 16:30-31; John 3:16-18. 1 John 5:13 says: I write this letter to you who believe in the Son of God. I write so that you will know that you have eternal life now. In Ephesians 2:8-10 says: I mean that you have been saved by grace because you believed. You did not save yourselves; it was a gift from God. You are not saved by the things you have done, so there is nothing to boast about. God has made us what we are. In Christ Jesus, God made us new people so that we would spend our lives doing the good things he had already planned for us to do. It is very clear that if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ you are saved not because of your good deeds or serving Him, nor surrendering your life to Him but by God's grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, then you can give your life to Him, obey Him, serve Him and devote to doing good, not to be saved but because you are already saved. Ephesians 2:8-10; I Corinthians 15:1-4; 1 Thessalonians 1:10; Colossians 1:13; John 3:14-16; Acts 16:30-33; Titus 3:5-8; 2 Timothy 1:9-12 So, as the Scriptures say, “Whoever boasts should boast only about the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 1:31 and what He has done for you, not what you have done for Him. Glory to God!
The message that John's gospel is the message of salvation is simply wrong. John 20:30-31 Expanded Bible Jesus [L therefore] did many other ·miracles [L signs; 2:11] in the presence of his ·followers [disciples] that are not written in this book. 31 But these are written so that you may ·believe [or keep on believing] that Jesus is the Christ [C Greek: Christos, for Hebrew Mashiach, the “anointed one”], the Son of God. Then, by believing, you may have life through his name. How could an unbeliever understand verses like these? John 15:5-6 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. John 14:12,16,17 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. John 16:7-8 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away,the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. John doesn't say to Repent of sin. Other things left out are Jesus's birth, his water baptism, or the start of His earthly ministry. His temptation in the wilderness. The meeting with Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration. Confronting demons, no parables,no mention of last supper, no ascension Does that mean John didn't believe those things happened? John says the word believe around 98 times. John's message is to encourage us to keep believing. And eyewitness evidence that Jesus is the Son of God. Whosoever Believes, (present continuous tense) Here's one verse that prove 3 things 1]John's gospel was written for already repented believers since unbelievers can not fall away. 2] A true repentant believer can fall away 3] It debunks once saved always saved. John 16:1 All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. Jesus is saying everything I have said in John's gospel up to 16:1 is for believers so they won't fall away. John's gospel is NOT for unbelievers, again He's not telling unbelievers not to fall away. Jesus prays for His believers. John 17:20-26 My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the worldMy prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- 23I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25“Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know 26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.” Jesus death and resurrection changes how one is justified. Since there are 6 decades between the resurrection and when John wrote his gospel that GES says is for evangelism how would the people be saved that died during those 60 years? Jesus Himself decreed that Peter was to start the church. Matthew 16:18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Acts 2 is the day of pentecost which is the start of the church where some asked how to be saved. The Apostle John was there and didn't dispute Peter's message of salvation for all Jew and Gentile. Acts 2:37-41 Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart [with remorse and anxiety], and they said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what are we to do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent [change your old way of thinking, turn from your sinfull ways, accept and follow Jesus as the Messiah] and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ because of the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise [of the Holy Spirit] is for you and your children and for all who are far away [including the Gentiles], as many as the Lord our God calls to Himself.” 40And Peter solemnly testified and continued to admonish and urge them with many more words, saying, “Be saved from this crooked and unjust generation!” 41So then, those who accepted his message were baptized; and on that day about 3,000 souls were added [to the body of believers]. Nowhere in scripture did anyone preach Believe in Jesus for everlasting life to be saved including John
@2Chronicles714_ Except John actually says otherwise , in the clearest terms available to humanity ever recorded : "John 20:31 - 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name." The "Life" He gives is endless Everlasting Life: John 1:12-13,3:16,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27 . That He spoke to His already born again Disciples about abiding (John 14-17) is not in dispute . Never does He tell them : "Unless you persevere till death in repentance/Water Baptism/selected faith in the DBR , you'll go to the endless lake of fire". Or , "Whosoever repents (turns from all sins till death) shall earn/merit/DESERVE...the Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life". Yet , that's clearly what you're affirming . Your argument makes no sense . The utter ABSENCE of evidence of your affirmation doesn't prove persuasive to anyone truly invested in the pursuit of Objective Truth . Repentance is works (Matthew 12:41 ; Jonah 3:10) . Not faith . Book of John's contents never have turning from all sins till death (and your 5 part Calvinistic Theological Determinism Gift of faith Package Deal) anywhere mentioned as the NECESSARY CO-CONDITIONS to earn/merit/ be rewarded with/DESERVE...His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life . So , you have zero Exegetical support for your works righteousness affirmation . Only faith in Him for what He actually Certifies regenerates . Faith is written in the book of John in the Gnomic (timeless) tense . You're apparently ignorant of the Greek . Ho Pisteuon absolutely destroys the "Continuous faith" concept . Acts 16:31 & Ephesians 2:8-9 are Objectively in the Aorist tense . Are you aware that these 2 verses ALONE destroy your rejection of the present possession of His endless Gift of Everlasting Life ? Just those 2 passages . Further , faith has an Object . Yours is your 5 part Perseverance in Performance (works) contract . You obviously have "faith" in what you're doing/will DO...till death , as an "infallible metric" of your Everlasting destination . Couldn't be a clearer contradiction of Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians . Your entire scheme reduces to self glorification , having rejected His Glorious Work of Redemption that Finished ALL the work Necessary , that His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Life can indeed be without Cost to all its recipients: John 4:10-14) .
@@soljos1190 Read John's gospel for yourself. Keep two things in mind when you are reading it. First that John shows overwhelming evidence that Jesus is the Son of God the Messiah. Second: that John's use of believing is always used in the present continuous tense and each of those promises of everlasting life such as John 3:16 are not for salvation but rather promises for continuous believing/ in Jesus for everlasting life. Also, focus on chapters 15 16 &17. They all make it clear that John is speaking to believers not for evangelism. Example John 16:1 All this I have told you so that you will not fall away. Unbelievers can't fall away.
@@2Chronicles714_ Continuous believing in a once in a moment with Endless consequence is utterly absurd and completely impossible, in the Greek . Any first year Greek student knows that a Gnomic tense = timeless application grammatically. Wow... how's come you're ignorant of that ? You keep trotting out low laying fruit (already refuted) stuff that's completely unsupported in any Lexical nuance . Try tactics that have some Objectively verifiable evidence for once ! Your every argument Tops Out at purely Subjective criteria , that can Never be known nor Quantified . Thus , you simply don't know . But you DO KNOW that you Fear the endless lake of fire , because it really all depends on your Unknowable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) till death , instead of resting in His Objective Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life: John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 . You are easily among the most pathetic examples of a Modern Judaizer/unregenerate Scribe and Pharisee I've ever encountered . So tragic to think that you continue to somehow find it "meaningful" to Work for a Free and Never Deserving Gift . Something a 5 year old can easily see through . Wow... just WOW. Your 5 Part Performance Contract (works righteousness soteriology) means you NEVER HAVE the Free Gift as a present possession . Ho Pisteuon absolutely destroys your mistaken notion of "faith" . Your Object of "faith" is indeed YOUR SELF . You deny His PERFECT work of Redemption and instead steal away all the Glory due to Him alone . Self Idolatry never understands Grace . So , you're not "saved" , Biblically . Works cannot regenerate anyone. They are EXCLUDED as a means of being invested with His Free and Never Deserving Gift . You disagree with Ephesians 2:8-9 (Aorist tense in the Greek = "have been" = past tense = apart from all behavioral performance (works) .
Beautiful truth , Ken !
So appreciate your clarification of His Doubtless Guarantee of irrevocable Life : John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 .
john 3 16 is law ephesians 2 8-9 is grace neither one is THE GOSPEL DONT MIX LAW AND GRACE
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Quit lying .
Stop being used by the father of lies .
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The word "law" never once occurs in John 3:16 .
Nor ever once in any conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God passage in the Bible .
Show me ONE example of Jesus requiring Observance of the Law of Moses to be born again with irrevocable Everlasting Life ?
Your argument is ridiculously ABSENT the slightest shred of Exegetical evidence .
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The law never justified anyone .
Only faith in the Christ (Jesus) is the means of endless Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God: Romans 4:1-8 .
Your entire scheme is utterly ABSENT Objectively verifiable evidence .
You're very obviously lying .
John 3:16
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God so once (past tense) agape loved the people of this world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who has continued faith and strives to obey and lives in Him will not be cast into the lake of fire but will have everlasting life.
I believe many people that cannot come to believe that Jesus did it all for us, are saying his blood is not even as powerful as the blood of animals, because the people of Israel knew the blood of animals was powerful enough for a year of covering their sin, but not the taking away of their sins. We have been "past tense" redeemed by his blood and forgiven of our sins, not have our sins covered for a year. That was a very good analogy, especially the squeaky voice of Mike, but the knockout power he had. Jesus was meek, but his death was powerful enough to take away the sins of the whole world, what a powerful but Gracias God we serve.
Jesus said the only way sins are forgiven is through repentance.
Without repentance sins are not forgiven.
No where in the Bible did anyone preach believe in Jesus for everlasting life to be saved.
@@2Chronicles714_ Jesus himself did, John did. Paul and by extension Luke also did. "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved". You misunderstand what belief means. It is not mystical but conviction of a truth you cant see hebrews 11:1
Wonderful clarity Ken .
So vital to point to the Bullseye :
John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 .
Little kids easily understand that a Free Gift has No Price Tag attached to its reception .
Same with the Free and Never Deserving Gift of irrevocable Everlasting Life (John 4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,11:23-27) !
@Ok-qt.
How do you make this verse from John confirm that John's gospel is for unbelievers and once saved always saved?
Jesus speaking
John 16:1
All this I have told you so that you will not fall away.
@@2Chronicles714_
Where does that passage state the following :
"..."so that you will not fall away and thus end up in the Everlasting lake of fire" ?
***Exegetically , your Burden of Proof is to Objectively produce an Endless/Forever/Everlasting/Eternal duration due to one's failure to Persevere till death in your 5 part Performance Contract.
Clearly and undeniably you've NOT done that here , nor EVER .
@@2Chronicles714_
One can't "fall away" from something they don't possess .
Everlasting Life is - by definition - without an Expiration Date attached .
You don't have eternal salvation - the Free Gift of His PERFECT Righteousness - till after physical death , having "successfully completed the Performance Contract (with a behavioral performance (works) level (%) that you clearly DON'T KNOW nor can you OBJECTIVELY QUANTIFY) .
So that's why you FEAR THE ENDLESS LAKE OF FIRE . Cuz you've rejected His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life , in favor of your IMPERFECT and entirely fallible Filthy Rags righteousness attempts to "come in some other way" by means of being hopefully good enough till death...
A frankly miserable and futile existence , if I'm being perfectly honest .
You're clearly stealing all the Glory due to Him alone for having Finished all our works attempts in His PERFECT Sacrifice that lays bare the utter lunacy of thinking one's works are meritorious of Decisive in one's Everlasting destination .
@@DannyLoyd
Why try to ADD to John 3:16 ?
That can only contradict John 3:16 & every other Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/endless Justification before God passage in Scripture .
Jesus doesn't lie to the little ones , unencumbered by years of self righteous hardening against His Grace .
@@DannyLoyd@DannyLoyd
Your works righteousness affirmation can Never regenerate anyone forever , because it is the quintessence of unbelief in Him for what He actually Certifies: John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 .
Your doctrine is undeniably identical in substance to the Judaizers/unregenerate Scribes and Pharisees (Matthew 23) that "never came to Him for Life" , rather seeking to "justify themselves in the sight of men" , having rejected the Free Gift .
Yet , to enter His Kingdom , one's righteousness "must exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees" .
You're really stuck in an insuperable dilemma : one can only enter with the Only "Suitable Suit" of His Perfect Righteousness that is imputed only to them who believe in Him for His doubtless Guarantee of endless Everlasting Life , apart from all behavioral performance (works) .
You're instead attempting the same Broad Path template forged by the Scribes and Pharisees , and the same Prideful arrogance is readily apparent .
You think your "Stellar" Performance will be the Decisive factor in your Everlasting destination , not unlike your Predecessors , as opposed to simple childlike faith in Him for His Free and Never Deserving Gift .
No such possibility exists , in Reality .
It's ALL OR NOTHING .
EITHER/OR .
Only when "working for a Free Gift" is understood as an impossibility , does His undeserved Grace make any sense .
As it stands , your 5 Part works righteousness Contract puts His undeserved Grace * infinitely * Out of Reach .
Insightful comparison
Same thing happened to me when I heard the voice of Ronnie Coleman,8 times Mr Olympia 😂😂😂
JOHN 3: 16 KJV IS BEAUTIFUL STRAIGHT TO THE POINT
Thank you for this Video.
The moment a person believes in Jesus, he has passed from death to life (John 5:24), he has everlasting life (John 6:47), he will never hunger or thirst for everlasting life (John 4:10, 14; 6:35), he will never perish (John 3:16; 10:27), and he will never die (John 11:26). Truly good news!
John 16:1
All this I have told you so that you will not fall away.
John's gospel is clearly written for already repented believers and Jesus Himself warns of falling away.
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The Truth
Will Set You Free (John 8:30-32)
by Bob Wilkin
INTRODUCTION
ften this passage is misconstrued to teach that there is such a thing as people who believe in Jesus and yet are not born again
because their belief does not result in perseverance. Yet the passage teaches a remarkably different message that should not be
missed.
This passage shows that the Free Grace position does not promote sin. It promotes holiness. The only way to escape the clutches of sin’s
bondage at the practical level is by abiding in Christ and His truth. Doctrine matters.
The issue in this passage is whether those who believe in Jesus will experience freedom from sin’s bondage. While we are free
positionally (Romans 6), we only will be free in our experience if God’s Word takes up residence (Robert Munger: My Heart, Christ’s
Home).
THESE ARE REAL BELIEVERS
Notice that it is the Apostle John, not the new believers themselves, who says that they believed in Jesus. John says this not once, but
twice. Thus if we take the text at face value, these people are born again. They are what some would call real believers. I don’t like that
expression since it tends to convey different types of faith (head vs. heart faith, Spirit-generated vs. flesh-generated, miracle faith vs.
repentant faith, etc.). In any case, these people really believe.
But this is not the way that most commentators understand these verses. In fact, commentators are nearly united in belief that these are
false professors who have a sort of faith, miracle faith some call it, that is not true faith.
D. A. Carson concludes concerning the faith in John 8:30-32:
John had already introduced the theme of fickle faith. In 2:23, the many people who believed in his name when they
saw the miraculous signs Jesus was doing turn out to have untrustworthy faith (2:24-25)…Some believe in Jesus: whether
or not their faith is genuine cannot be determined by the linguistic expression selected by the Evangelist. But Jesus now
lays down exactly what it is that separates spurious faith from true faith, fickle disciples from genuine disciples: If you
hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples [italics his]. The verb rendered ‘hold’ is meno„, to abide, to remain-a
theme of critical importance that returns in a concentrated way in chapter 15. In short, perseverance is the mark of true
faith [italics added], of real disciples. A genuine believer remains in Jesus’ ‘word’ (logos), his teaching (cf. notes on 1:1):
i.e. such a person obeys it, seeks to understand it better, and finds it more precious, more controlling, precisely when
other forces flatly oppose it” (The Gospel According to John, Eerdmans, 1991, pp. 347-48).
Leon Morris discusses several interpretations which he ultimately rejects including the following:
1. The faith in John 8:30 is real faith and that in John 8:31 is false.
2. The faith in both John 8:30 and 31 is real.
3. These are not the words of John at all, but the words of a clumsy redactor.
Morris then gives his view, which is the same as that of Carson: It is best to think that John is speaking of men who had made an outward profession, but that in this particular case it
did not go very deep. Jesus’ words then are meant to drive home to formal and casual adherents something of the
meaning of true discipleship. If men in any sense believe in Him it is important that they be led to see what real faith
means [italics added] (The Gospel According to John, Eerdmans, 1971, p. 455).
A few sentences later Morris adds, “the test [of real faith] is ‘abiding’” (p. 456).
If these are indeed genuine believers, contrary to what most commentators say, then how do we explain what the Lord says in the verses
which immediately follow John 8:30-32? Note what Jesus goes on to say to “them”:
“You seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you” (8:37).
“You seek to kill Me” (8:40).
“You are of your father, the devil” (8:44).
“You do not believe Me” (8:45).
“Why do you not believe Me?” (8:46).
“You are not of God” (8:47).
“I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me” (8:49).
First, it is clear that the people in vv 33-47 are not the same as those in vv 30-32. In vv 30-31, John twice says that the people to whom he
was referring believed in Jesus. Yet in vv 45-46, the Lord says that the people He was speaking to did not believe Him. These must be two
different groups or else John did not realize he was contradicting himself, which is impossible since this is Scripture.
Second, if we follow the third person plurals (they, them) in the entire chapter, we find that there is a larger hostile group that runs
through the whole chapter (see John 8:2, 4, 6, 7, 12, 14, 19, 21, 23, 25, 27, 28, 33, 34, 39, 41, 42, 59) and there is a smaller group in vv 30-32
that believes in Jesus. Clearly vv 30-32 are parenthetical. Verse 33 resumes the discussion with the hostile group.
Third, being a disciple of Jesus is not the same as being a believer in Jesus. In order to believe in Jesus one must simply believe in Him.
In order to be a disciple of Jesus one must abide in His teachings, which includes, of course, the teaching of His Apostles. The reason why
commentators stumble here is because they equate the condition of discipleship with the condition of regeneration.
Fourth, John 3:16 says that “whoever believes in Him” has everlasting life. And the Apostle John in 8:30 says that “many believed in
Him.” The Greek is identical. Thus those in v 30 have everlasting life. Otherwise John again is not only sloppy, but contradicts himself,
which is impossible.
Fifth, as Carson shows, this understanding of John 8:30-32 is influenced by one's understanding of John 2:23-25. If one misinterprets
John 2:23-25, he will then bring his faulty interpretation to John 8:30-32, which is simpler and clearer. This is reversing the analogy of
faith.
Sixth, the experience of freedom from bondage to sin is not something all believers enjoy. To equate that freedom with the new birth is
a serious error. The following sections explore more carefully this issue of freedom from sin’s bondage.
FREEDOM (EXPERIENTIAL) FROM SIN’S BONDAGE, NOT FREEDOM FROM THE PENALTY OF SIN, IS
IN VIEW
If one reads vv 30-32 without prejudice, the interpretation is clear: Those who believe in Jesus are capable of being set free, but that
freedom only emerges as the believer abides in Jesus’ teachings.
This is borne out by the exchange that follows. First, the unbelieving Jews in the larger audience say, “We have never been in bondage to
anyone” (v 33). Second, Jesus says, “Whoever commits sin is a slave of sin” (v 34). Therefore, the issue in v 32 of being set free is being set
free from slavery to sin.
Let’s now consider the issue of abiding in order to be set free.
FREEDOM (EXPERIENTIAL) FROM SIN’S BONDAGE REQUIRES ABIDING IN GOD’S WORD
Here and in Romans 6, we find that abiding in Jesus’ teachings is necessary in order to experience freedom from sin’s bondage. In both
places we find that believers are not automatically set free in their experience from sin’s bondage.
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(Dr. Wilkin clarifies John 8)
"In vv 31-36 the Lord touches on both kinds of freedom from sin’s bondage, positional (vv 34-36, speaking to unbelievers) and
experiential (vv 31-32, speaking to believers). Paul gives a detailed explanation in Romans 6.
“Whoever sins is a slave of sin” is parallel to 1 John 3:9. The born-of-God part of us never sins. Sin comes from the flesh, not the new
birth. Obviously everyone sins (Rom 3:23; 1 John 1:8, 10). But that is not what the Lord is saying here. He is saying that there is such a
thing as someone who is, in his position, free from sin and never sins as an expression of that inner self, often called the new nature.
Unbelievers need to be set free from bondage to sin in their experience. But believers need to experience that freedom. That is clear in
John 8:31-32 and Romans 6:
“He who has died has been freed from sin” (Rom 6:7).
“Reckon yourself to be dead indeed to sin” (Rom 6:11).
“Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal bodies” (Rom 6:12).
“Sin shall not have dominion over you” (Rom 6:14).
“You were [before the new birth] slaves of sin” (Rom 6:17).
“Having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness” (Rom 6:18).
“Present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness” (Rom 6:19).
“When [before the new birth] you were slaves of sin” (Rom 6:20).
“Having been set free from sin and having become slaves of God” (Rom 6:22).
It is impossible to read Romans 6 without seeing that there are two types of freedom from sin’s bondage, experiential (Rom 6:11, 12, 16,
19) and positional (Rom 6:7, 14, 17, 18, 20, 22).
And we find in both Romans 6 and John 8 that the means to this victory is by abiding in the teachings of Jesus and His Apostles.
Romans 6 is all about how we view ourselves. Do we see ourselves in light of God’s Word? Or do we view ourselves in light of what the
world says about us?
I remember when the book Birthright by David Needham came out. I read it and went to Zane and told him I didn’t like it because it
promoted Lordship Salvation. I was shocked by Zane’s reply. He told me something like this:
Lordship Salvation is not the point of the book, though it is there. The real point of the book is a fantastic point and
hence this is a fantastic book. Needham argues that believers are at the core of their beings sinless. He argues that
believers should not see themselves as slaves of sin, but as slaves of righteousness. Needham rightly argues that it is
vital for believers to recognize who they really are. If we think we are slaves of sin, we will likely live that way and not be
bothered by what we view as inevitable. If we believe we are free from sin’s bondage, then we likely live free and not
tolerate slavery to sin.
Remember Rom 12:1-2. From where does transformation of life come? Paul says it comes by the renewing of our minds. It is a mental
issue. It comes from God’s Word and from abiding in it.
This leads to a related point on how we are to live out our freedom from sin’s bondage.
THE CHRISTIAN LIFE IS NOT PRIMARILY A MATTER OF DETERMINATION TO OBEY
I don’t recall discussing the issue of the place of the will and of determination in the Christian life with Zane until long after I studied
under him. When we were in church together at Victor Street Bible Chapel in Dallas we discussed this issue. At the time, around 1992, I
thought that obedience was primarily a matter of practice (i.e., the spiritual disciplines) and desire and determination, like what is needed
to finish a marathon.
Zane told me he believed that my view was essentially a legalistic view. If I just determine not to do the evil and determine instead to do
the good, then I am trapped in a Romans 7 experience. Focusing on the commands produces enslavement to sin, not freedom from it.
Zane explained that while we need to desire to please God and to obey God, the way in which we do that is not by ratcheting up our
determination. It is by realizing who we are in Christ and then allowing God’s Word to transform us. Back then he pointed me to verses
that he later championed in Six Secrets of the Christian Life, Rom 12:1-2 and 2 Cor 3:18.So while a determination to obey is a fine thing in one sense, we must recognize that in itself it is actually insufficient. We need the Spirit
of God to apply the Word of God to our thinking, and to renew our minds, so that the desired transformation will occur.
I found this a radical and thoroughly Biblical teaching then. And I see now that it is rooted in the Lord’s teachings in John 8:30-32.
FREE GRACE THEOLOGY IS NOT ANTINOMIAN AND IT DOES TEACH ACCOUNTABILITY
Implicit in the teaching of John 8:31-32 and Romans 6 is that we are called to live in our experience as we are in our position. Believers
are free from sin’s bondage in our position. Thus we should reckon that it is so and live like who we really are.
Also in the background of John 8:31-32 and Roman 6 is the issue of accountability. How we live matters. We reap what we sow.
APPLICATIONS
A number of applications come to mind:
1. Believers should not only have assurance of everlasting life, but also assurance that we are no longer slaves of sin in our position.
2. Believers should have an ongoing mindset that they are slaves of righteousness and that they are no longer slaves of sin.
3. We should recognize that the Christian life is primarily a battle of the mind.
4. Realize that dedication, as valuable as it is, is an insufficient means of victory in the Christian life. Indeed, dedication without a
renewed mind actually produces slavery to sin in one’s experience.
5. Do not question your own assurance of everlasting life, or that of anyone else, on the basis of lifestyle and works. Assurance of
everlasting life is found simply in believing what the Lord has promised. It has nothing to do with our works or our freedom from sin in
our experience.
6. Pray for God to give you a renewed mind and pray that He causes you to abide in God’s Word.
7. Go to a church that is clear on the free gift of everlasting life and the costly yet blessed value of abiding in Christ’s teachings.
CONCLUSION
The words, “You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free,” are not magical words that refer to any and all kinds of truth
and any and all kinds of freedom. They are powerful words that refer specifically to the truth the Lord Jesus and His Apostles taught and
to the specific freedom from bondage to sin in one’s experience.
Yes, perseverance is a condition for freedom from sin’s bondage in our daily lives. It is not a condition of everlasting life. But abiding
daily in Jesus’ words is required for us to experience victory in our Christian lives.
I grew up in an alcoholic family. For years I had a victim mentality. I thought I was a victim in life. Woe is me. I can’t be a nice guy, a
good husband, a good employer, or someone who is easy to get along with because I am damaged goods. But later I came to see that such
thinking is unbiblical. I am not my past experiences. I have been damaged, yes. But I am a slave of righteousness. God can transform my
life and He does as long as I abide in the teachings of God’s Word.
I sometimes slip back into a victim mentality, but for the most part I now see myself as a slave of righteousness. I realize that my eternal
self is sinless.
While I have trouble at the emotional level viewing my life in a positive sense, I realize that I have changed a lot over the last 40 years as
a result of the transforming power of God’s Word in my life. While I’m not what I’m going to be, I am far more than I used to be. God has
changed me for the better. Please be patient, God is not finished with me yet, is of course true. But I know who I am and I am not a slave of
sin.
May we praise God for our freedom. We are free to live righteously. We are free to please God. We are free to live in such a way that one
day soon the Lord will say to us, “Well done, good servant” (Luke 19:17)."
Bob Wilkin is the Executive Director of Grace Evangelical Society.
@@DannyLoyd
So , on your works righteousness affirmation , one Never has irrevocable Everlasting Life till they earn it by being "hopefully good enough" till death .
That's impossible .
Jesus stated that "Noone is good but God alone" . That's me , you , and every other mere human .
So , you whole message makes no sense according to what Jesus said .
Paul's endless Justification before God section (Romans 3 20-5:11) .declares that all working for His Free Gift EXCLUDES His Imputation of Perfect Righteousness (the Gift itself) : Romans 4:1-8 .
Belief that Jesus is the Christ - who gives endless Everlasting Life - alone regenerates forever (John 1:12-13,3:1-218,4:28-47,5:24,10,11:23-27,20:31 ; 1 John 5:1,10-13 ; 1 Timothy 1:16 ; Galatians 2:16,3:26 .
Totally apart from all behavioral performance (works) :
Ephesians 2:8-9 Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; Book of Galatians .
Acts 2:36-41 demonstrates precisely that belief in the Christ as the Giver of the endless Gift alone regenerates forever , as Dr. Wilkin clarifies :
Assurance in Acts 2:36-38
March 2, 2021 by Bob Wilkin in Blog - Acts 2:36-38, Assurance of Salvation, the meaning of the Christ
Z. P. asks this important question:
Bob, you said in regard to Acts 2:37-38, that when the Jewish hearers of Peter’s sermon were “cut to the heart,” that is the time they believed that Jesus is the Christ. I’m struggling to see assurance as the essence of saving faith in this passage. Are you saying that the moment they were cut to the heart is the moment they knew for sure that they had everlasting life? Are you able to share any thoughts on this?
We have suggested elsewhere (see Lanny Thomas Tanton’s article here) that Acts 2:38 is not an evangelistic invitation by Peter, but instead it is an invitation for new believers to come into fellowship with God.
We have written elsewhere (see here for a list of multiple articles) that assurance is of the essence of saving faith. That is, at the moment one believes in Jesus for everlasting life, he knows that he has everlasting life that can never be lost.
What is assurance? That is at the heart of this question.
To be assured of something is to be convinced it is true. In other words, assurance is another word for faith. I believe that Canada is north of the U.S. I’m assured that is true.
So, the question is whether Peter’s Jewish hearers that day believed that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah (cf. John 11:27; 20:31; 1 John 5:1). They clearly did. Peter was persuading the crowd that Jesus of Nazareth was not a false Messiah, but indeed was the long-promised Messiah. After citing Ps 110:1, a Messianic verse in a Messianic Psalm, Peter said, “Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ” (Acts 2:37). Notice the words know assuredly.
They did come to know assuredly. That is evident when Luke says, “they were cut to the heart” and then reports them asking, “What shall we do?” They were convinced that Jesus is the Messiah.
And what did Peter mean when He said that Jesus whom they crucified is both Lord and Christ. In light of John 11:27; 20:31; and 1 John 5:1, he meant that the Messiah guarantees everlasting life to all who believe in Him. They believed in Him and so they were assured that they had everlasting life that cannot be lost.
If they were not yet born again, then Peter would not have invited them to be baptized. Peter and the apostles only baptized born-again people.
If they were not yet born again, Peter would have spoken further of the need to believe that Jesus is the Christ who guarantees the eternal destiny of all who believe in Him for it.
Notice that in verse 41 Luke says, “Then those who gladly received his word were baptized.” He also says, “that day about three thousand souls were added to them [i.e., became part of the Body of Christ].” To gladly receive the preached word is to believe it. Only believers are added to the Body of Christ.
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@DannyLoyd
The Parable of the Sower clearly refutes the "Obedient faith/faith = Perseverance till death in 24/7/365 working to Earn and DESERVE the Free and Never Deserving Gift .
Dr. Wilkin refutes the Faith = a Lifetime of "hopefully good enough works" concept :
Impossible Interpretation of the Parable of the Four Soils
July 24, 2018 by Bob Wilkin in Blog - Eternal Security, Luke 8:12-13, saving faith, Temporary Faith
“Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. But the ones on rock are those who, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, who believe for a while and in time of temptation fall away.”
-Luke 8:12-13
In a message entitled, “Superficial and Genuine Believers” at Bible.org (see here), Pastor Steve Cole says:
The four soils can be grouped into two categories: the unfruitful and the fruitful. All four soils hear the Word. The first soil is the only one not to accept it at all. The second soil accepts the seed briefly and shows initial promise, but it soon dies out. The third soil seems to make even further progress, but eventually the thorns choke it out. Only the fourth soil eventually bears fruit.
Some would argue that since the last three soils accepted the seed, and since it is stated about the seed on the rocky soil that “they believe for a while” (8:13), these all are saved; only the first category is lost. But, clearly Jesus gives no encouragement or comfort to any except those in the fourth category. Darrell Bock explains (Luke [IVP], pp. 148-149),
Faith saves; the absence of faith does not. So to believe for a time is not to believe in a commendable way, since the end result is not faith. One cannot end up unbelieving and have a faith that saves, for then salvation comes in unbelief. Another way to say this is that genuine faith is permanent….Our theological problems may emerge here because we tend to view faith as a response of the moment. The New Testament stresses that faith in Jesus is permanent, being established by a rebirth. Its permanence is suggested by its nature as the product of the regenerating work of God….
Until the second sentence in his second paragraph, Cole is headed toward the conclusion that the second soil represents born-again people. However, he then diverts off the path and ends up embracing a very common interpretation which happens to be illogical. While I agree that “to believe for a time is not to believe in a commendable way,” that in no way suggests that “the end result is not faith.” That view is saying that when the Lord said that those in the rocky soil “believed for a while,” He did not mean what He said.
Let’s try to rewrite what the Lord said so that it fits the interpretation that believing for a time is not believing. How about, “they believed for a while, but they did not believe during that time”? No. That is a contradiction. How about, “they believed for a time, but since they did not continue believing, their initial belief was shown to be bogus.” That too is a contradiction. If a person believes for a while, no matter how short or long that time is, then during that time he believes.
If a person believes the saving message for a month, then he believes the saving message during that month. If he believes for a year, then he believes during that year. If he believes for a decade, then he believes during that decade. That is why the devil snatches the word out of their hearts: “lest they should believe and be saved.” The devil believes in eternal security. He knows that the moment a person believes in Jesus for everlasting life, then that person is saved once and for all.
Now it would not be illogical to say that the man was saved during the time when he believed the saving message and that he lost his salvation when he stopped believing. Logical, but incorrect since the Lord taught eternal security as even the devil knows. The Lord Jesus said that the one who believes in Him shall never perish, shall not come into judgment, shall never hunger, shall never thirst, and shall never die (John 3:16; 5:24; 11:26). For those who formally believe in eternal security, and yet who believe that one must persevere in faith in order to have everlasting life, they must resort to an impossible interpretation of many texts, including the Parable of the Four Soils.
When your theology says that believing in the Lord Jesus Christ is not enough to have everlasting life which can never be lost, it is time to change your theology. When your theology drives you to adopt impossible interpretations, it is time to allow the Word of God to change your thinking.
There is no time requirement regarding believing in Jesus for everlasting life. Let’s say that Sally is driving on the freeway and hears J. Vernon McGee preaching the message of John 3:16 on the radio. She believes in Jesus and is born again right there in her car. Then a minute later a drunk driver crosses the median, hits her head on, and she dies.
Where would she go? Heaven, right? All would agree. But she only believed for a minute! So? There is no time requirement.
But what if Sally survived the car accident and went through many surgeries and got hooked on pain medication? What if a year later Sally stopped believing in Jesus as a result of her trying circumstances? Now where would she go when she died? Many would say she would go to hell because she stopped believing. In this odd view it was unfortunate that she didn’t die in that accident. Then she would have gone to heaven. Guaranteed. In this strange theology the best thing that could happen to a person is to die at the moment of faith. That way the time requirement does not kick in.
The Lord Jesus promised that the moment a person believes in Him he has ever-lasting life which can never be lost. No matter what! As one of my seminary professors, Dr. Charles Ryrie, liked to say, “If everlasting life could be lost, it has the wrong name.”
GES misses the whole point of salvation, the forgiveness of our sins. The Apostle Paul begins his presentation of the gospel by stating that the wrath of God is revealed against the ungodliness and unrighteousness of men (Rom. 1:18), and then goes on to spend 2 entire chapters outlining the sin, guilt and depravity of the human race. so that when he comes to explain salvation, it is a matter of justification by faith (3:23-26), a matter of being declared righteous in the sight of God. That's why God commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts. 17:30; II Pet. 3:9). Therefore sinners are to repent and be baptized for the remission of sins (Acts. 2:38). It's hard to see how the Bible can be more plain than that.
Wrong .
You're working for a Free and Never Deserving Gift .
A manifest absurdity .
It's about the Free Gift of Endless Everlasting Life , as the Object and Content of one's faith whereby one is forever born again .
Forgiveness of sins is a benefit of His PERFECT work of Redemption that is only given to them Born Again with irreversible Life (Acts 10) .
It is an ongoing Fellowship Discipleship privilege to the brethren invested with His PERFECT Righteousness (the Gift itself) :
1 John 1:6-9 .
It's NEVER the Sine Qua Non (Bullseye) in any conceivable Evangelistic/Everlasting Life/eternal Justification before God passage in the Bible .
Jesus never stated:
"He who believes in Me has forgiveness of sins" .
Repentance is works.
Not faith .
You contradict Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; and the book of Galatians .
Water Baptism never regenerated anyone , ever .
You cannot be saved by Faith alone nor by faith and good work. Why?
Salvation is a free gift of God the Father to all who believe in His Son Jesus Christ as a sacrifice for the payment of our sin when He died on the cross, buried and rose again. You have nothing else to do but believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and what He did on the cross for you.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4;
1 Timothy 1:15-16; Acts 16:30-31
We cannot be saved by Faith alone nor by faith and good work but by grace of God through faith in Christ.
If you really believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, He will give you not a temporary life but eternal life and assurance of salvation from God's punishment of your sin. Yes, you will not be judged and punished because you believed in the Lord Jesus who were punished for your sin, and you will know it according to the Word of God. Isaiah 53:2-12; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4; 2 Corinthians 5:21; Acts 16:30-31; John 3:16-18.
1 John 5:13 says:
I write this letter to you who believe in the Son of God. I write so that you will know that you have eternal life now.
In Ephesians 2:8-10 says: I mean that you have been saved by grace because you believed. You did not save yourselves; it was a gift from God.
You are not saved by the things you have done, so there is nothing to boast about.
God has made us what we are. In Christ Jesus, God made us new people so that we would spend our lives doing the good things he had already planned for us to do.
It is very clear that if you believe in the Lord Jesus Christ you are saved not because of your good deeds or serving Him, nor surrendering your life to Him but by God's grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, then you can give your life to Him, obey Him, serve Him and devote to doing good, not to be saved but because you are already saved.
Ephesians 2:8-10;
I Corinthians 15:1-4;
1 Thessalonians 1:10; Colossians 1:13; John 3:14-16; Acts 16:30-33; Titus 3:5-8; 2 Timothy 1:9-12
So, as the Scriptures say, “Whoever boasts should boast only about the Lord.” 1 Corinthians 1:31 and what He has done for you, not what you have done for Him.
Glory to God!
The message that John's gospel is the message of salvation is simply wrong.
John 20:30-31
Expanded Bible
Jesus [L therefore] did many other ·miracles [L signs; 2:11] in the presence of his ·followers [disciples] that are not written in this book.
31 But these are written so that you may ·believe [or
keep on believing] that Jesus is the Christ [C Greek: Christos, for Hebrew
Mashiach, the “anointed one”], the Son of God. Then, by believing, you may have life through his name.
How could an unbeliever understand verses like these?
John 15:5-6
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 14:12,16,17
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father 16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
John 16:7-8
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away,the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
John doesn't say to Repent of sin. Other things left out are Jesus's birth, his water baptism, or the start of His earthly ministry. His temptation in the wilderness.
The meeting with Moses and Elijah on the Mount of Transfiguration.
Confronting demons, no parables,no mention of last supper, no ascension
Does that mean John didn't believe those things happened?
John says the word believe around 98 times.
John's message is to encourage us to keep believing.
And eyewitness evidence that Jesus is the Son of God.
Whosoever Believes, (present continuous tense)
Here's one verse that prove 3
things
1]John's gospel was written for already repented believers since unbelievers can not fall away.
2] A true repentant believer can fall away
3] It debunks once saved always saved.
John 16:1
All this I have told you so that you will not fall away.
Jesus is saying everything I have said in John's gospel up to 16:1 is for believers so they won't fall away.
John's gospel is NOT for unbelievers, again He's not telling unbelievers not to fall away.
Jesus prays for His believers.
John 17:20-26
My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the worldMy prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one- 23I in them and you in me-so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
24“Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
25“Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know
26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.”
Jesus death and resurrection changes how one is justified.
Since there are 6 decades between the resurrection and when John wrote his gospel that GES says is for evangelism how would the people be saved that died during those 60 years?
Jesus Himself decreed that Peter was to start the church.
Matthew 16:18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
Acts 2 is the day of pentecost which is the start of the church where some asked how to be saved.
The Apostle John was there and didn't dispute Peter's message of salvation for all Jew and Gentile.
Acts 2:37-41
Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart [with remorse and anxiety], and they said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what are we to do?” 38And Peter said to them, “Repent [change your old way of thinking, turn from your sinfull ways, accept and follow Jesus as the Messiah] and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ because of the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39For the promise [of the Holy Spirit] is for you and your children and for all who are far away [including the Gentiles], as many as the Lord our God calls to Himself.” 40And Peter solemnly testified and continued to admonish
and urge them with many more words, saying, “Be saved from this crooked and unjust generation!” 41So then, those who accepted his message were baptized; and on that day about 3,000 souls were added [to the body of believers].
Nowhere in scripture did anyone preach Believe in Jesus for everlasting life to be saved including John
@2Chronicles714_
Except John actually says otherwise , in the clearest terms available to humanity ever recorded :
"John 20:31 -
31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name."
The "Life" He gives is endless Everlasting Life:
John 1:12-13,3:16,4:10-14,5:24,6:28-47,10,11:23-27 .
That He spoke to His already born again Disciples about abiding (John 14-17) is not in dispute . Never does He tell them :
"Unless you persevere till death in repentance/Water Baptism/selected faith in the DBR , you'll go to the endless lake of fire".
Or , "Whosoever repents (turns from all sins till death) shall earn/merit/DESERVE...the Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life".
Yet , that's clearly what you're affirming .
Your argument makes no sense . The utter ABSENCE of evidence of your affirmation doesn't prove persuasive to anyone truly invested in the pursuit of Objective Truth .
Repentance is works (Matthew 12:41 ; Jonah 3:10) .
Not faith .
Book of John's contents never have turning from all sins till death (and your 5 part Calvinistic Theological Determinism Gift of faith Package Deal) anywhere mentioned as the NECESSARY CO-CONDITIONS to earn/merit/ be rewarded with/DESERVE...His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Everlasting Life .
So , you have zero Exegetical support for your works righteousness affirmation .
Only faith in Him for what He actually Certifies regenerates .
Faith is written in the book of John in the Gnomic (timeless) tense .
You're apparently ignorant of the Greek .
Ho Pisteuon absolutely destroys the "Continuous faith" concept .
Acts 16:31 & Ephesians 2:8-9 are Objectively in the Aorist tense . Are you aware that these 2 verses ALONE destroy your rejection of the present possession of His endless Gift of Everlasting Life ?
Just those 2 passages .
Further , faith has an Object .
Yours is your 5 part Perseverance in Performance (works) contract .
You obviously have "faith" in what you're doing/will DO...till death , as an "infallible metric" of your Everlasting destination .
Couldn't be a clearer contradiction of Ephesians 2:8-9 ; Romans 3:20-5:11,11:6,29 ; Titus 3:5 ; Philippians 3:9 ; book of Galatians .
Your entire scheme reduces to self glorification , having rejected His Glorious Work of Redemption that Finished ALL the work Necessary , that His Free and Never Deserving Gift of Endless Life can indeed be without Cost to all its recipients: John 4:10-14) .
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Read John's gospel for yourself.
Keep two things in mind when you are reading it.
First that John shows overwhelming evidence that Jesus is the Son of God the Messiah.
Second: that John's use of believing is always used in the present continuous tense and each of those promises of everlasting life such as John 3:16 are not for salvation but rather promises for continuous believing/ in Jesus for everlasting life.
Also, focus on chapters 15 16 &17. They all make it clear that John is speaking to believers not for evangelism.
Example
John 16:1
All this I have told you so that you will not fall away.
Unbelievers can't fall away.
@@soljos1190 YOU PUT A BIG SPOTLIGHT ON HIS LIE 😃
@@2Chronicles714_
Continuous believing in a once in a moment with Endless consequence is utterly absurd and completely impossible, in the Greek .
Any first year Greek student knows that a Gnomic tense = timeless application grammatically.
Wow... how's come you're ignorant of that ? You keep trotting out low laying fruit (already refuted) stuff that's completely unsupported in any Lexical nuance .
Try tactics that have some Objectively verifiable evidence for once !
Your every argument Tops Out at purely Subjective criteria , that can Never be known nor Quantified .
Thus , you simply don't know . But you DO KNOW that you Fear the endless lake of fire , because it really all depends on your Unknowable level of hopefully good enough behavioral performance (works) till death , instead of resting in His Objective Guarantee of irrevocable Everlasting Life: John 3:16 & Ephesians 2:8-9 .
You are easily among the most pathetic examples of a Modern Judaizer/unregenerate Scribe and Pharisee I've ever encountered . So tragic to think that you continue to somehow find it "meaningful" to Work for a Free and Never Deserving Gift .
Something a 5 year old can easily see through .
Wow... just WOW.
Your 5 Part Performance Contract (works righteousness soteriology) means you NEVER HAVE the Free Gift as a present possession .
Ho Pisteuon absolutely destroys your mistaken notion of "faith" .
Your Object of "faith" is indeed YOUR SELF . You deny His PERFECT work of Redemption and instead steal away all the Glory due to Him alone .
Self Idolatry never understands Grace .
So , you're not "saved" , Biblically .
Works cannot regenerate anyone.
They are EXCLUDED as a means of being invested with His Free and Never Deserving Gift .
You disagree with Ephesians 2:8-9 (Aorist tense in the Greek = "have been" = past tense = apart from all behavioral performance (works) .
@@AlvinFen Love you Alvin .
Such a continuing blessing!