@@ot5267 Over 20+ people, including almost every member of the cast, have come out against him and confirming the stories of the victims. Why wait for the person being accused to tell THEIR story when there are endless sources who were close to him confirming just *one*?
@@RetroSmash.Honestly, if more of this stuff happens, people will just start to be extremely passive about it. I am already like that, i am already deprived emotionally because this fucking fandom is practically killing itself for years already, and it seems like is not going to stop anytime soon.
To be frank, from what i’ve seen in the doc itself (i’ve read roughly halfway through it),if we are to belive everything in the doc, i don’t even see alex as a groomer. I see someone who’s paranoid and doesn’t fully understand parasociality. If i’m wrong, i’ll retract all statements, but until then, i personal don’t buy it. The most important thing to remember in these situations, is that there is a very fine line between supporting the victim, and beliving everything they say to be true without proof. While it is important to suport the victim, you must always be 100% sure it’s true before you pick up your pitchfork and join the mob. The Dream situation and the Kwite situation is proof of this, and see so many great projects being cancelled without enough evidence is saddening.
May I give my opinion here? Isn't it possible to finish the mods because we like The Mandela Catalogue.. But not supporting Alex Kister? See what I mean? Is this a good point?
I agree with you, I thought people learned that we can dissociate the product from the person, Alex Kister is a horrible human being yes, but that won't stop me from liking Mandela Catalogue
I have a mindset of supporting the art, but not the creator if they end up actually doing heinous things. Like John K with Ren & Stimpy, I'm a fan of the show, but don't like the creator for what he did at all, and what he did was pretty sickening.
@@alexcodexxthekinereader1212So? You can't decide the situation without listening to both sides. Even if one of them has strong evidence, it's only part of the full story.
@@nightdog4183 Why wait for the person being accused to give their side of the story if countless other people are confirming the same one? Anyone being accused of something like that will inevitably try to deflect or lie.
@@snailsloppifier6000You cannot blame a person and not let them defend themselves. We don't know how Alex will respond, so in my opinion it's too early to decide if he is innocent or guilty yet. You never know how the situation can turn out to be, if someone will just label him by hearing only one sides that would be defamation and harassment. I'm not saying he would be innocent if he'll just say he didn't do it, if he will present evidence of everything being fake, in that case only then he will be truly innocent instead of being supposedly guilty as of right now.
This sort of thing doesn't even surprise me anymore. Can't have anything nice on the internet anymore. It's sad. Every 5 minutes it feels like someone gets outed as a weirdo nowadays, and as some youtube channels have said, the internet has a "guilty until proven innocent" mindset.
exactly my point, no waiting for a response, no hearing alex out, legit just completely ruining the chances for mandela mods because allegations came out, big dumb dumb move from chase/z sharp imo. edit: that VHS shop that cancelled the mandela vhs too, just goes to show how something so insignifigant can ruin something so amazing
i wasn't going to comment, since i'm slowly dragging myself away from the such thing known as the internet since i need a break from it, but; tack, the main director for analog funkin, is having the tmc shit removed, and as he said in the discord (yes, it was announced in the discord), "Nothing will replace the week, it won't come back, and it is gone." and since you did only cover 3 tmc mods out of the many, Many more that are gone, and to be completely honest, i respect their decisions, especially the c.f teams, they deserve a rest and besides, they dropped the full followed v3 for us to eat and boy oh boy have i been eating v3 alright but yeah, i should probably shut up and get on my break now
Honestly, good for you for trying to get away from the internet. I'm debating on doing that myself too because there's just been so much going on both personally and on the internet. I need a break, the hard part is forcing myself to take one. Best wishes to you on your internet break tho, it's always important to take breaks, I know it sounds like something straight out of a video game tutorial but it holds true here too. Good luck :) 🫡
I think it’s the right time to say this… why can’t they just put the mod on hiatus, sort out the drama or controversy, simply fire them, or leave the drama and get on with the mod?
spent like four hours reading through everything in the document and not gonna lie it seems like the reason its so freaking long is because almost every single provided picture doesnt really support the accusers statements at all and so they wrote out a bunch of supposed context that doesnt usually make all that sense they keep claiming that their friend was entirely undesiring the kind of attention alex was giving but if you look at the images they never once say that to alex and only say it to the accusing ex person, as a matter of fact they even explicitly tell alex that they were not crossing any boundaries and are comfortable with it, so im not quite sure how exactly alex was supposed to know that the friend actually meant the exact opposite of what they were saying unless alex has the ability to read minds or something im kind of convinced the vast majority of people didnt actually read the images in relation to what the accuser is claiming cause while they seem to be legitimate conversations that occurred they also kind of.... support contrary of what the document claims?? im a little bit baffled how many people quickly jumped on the alex hatred bandwagon with how little substance the document has under scrutiny
At least Analog Funkin' is still ongoing, regardless if the Mandela Catalouge content will be in it or not. I'm only waiting for it, so Casualty will actually be made into a series.
I’m not going to lie, although I’m ashamed of Alex, and even though he made things looks weird, I’m waiting to hear Alex’s response as he promised one on Twitter, I hope this is a kwite situation where it isn’t true
“He might’ve been a pervert, but he was also a genius, which is often the case” -Mac from It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia (Just to make this clear, I’m not saying what he did was ok, because it was not if the evidence is correct)
Honestly this is the real reason fnf going down because creators of big mods cancel them at the first excuse to and when that dont have that they pull the bs "no movition" like they didn't start the mod in the first place. It these modder truly cared about their work literally no mod would be canned
@billnye9299 Having no motivation isn’t something before a thing is created, it’s something that happens during creation. I’ve had plenty of moments where I’ve started a project but lost interest or motivation in continuing it.
This mod when it first released back in January got me into the series, and just when I decided to start watching through the show, the controversies came out. The mod was canned the same day it first happened, felt a bit too soon but idk if those allegations are true yet.
I will be neutral but if what he did is true then I’m kinda disappointed especially because I liked Mandela catalogue and I feel sorry for the victims, again I will stay neutral until then.
And yet another mod completely thrown into a shredder just because someone's got deemed "problematic" *whoop'd - deedoo* It is genuinely the most man-childish* kind of mentality that pisses me off with this shipwreck of a "community" Like _'oh, no, hxusivoeh371 called one of his fan cringe while he was clearly posting out of an angry episode. Let's burn down all the progress we've done in our game associated with this vast-erd and mark him off of the internet'_ is not a healthy response towards unconfirmed accusations.
I’ll wait until Alex responds, I made some of my thoughts in replies to how I think it’ll end, but I will still watch the response, because both sides are important, and I hate to bring her into this, but Revie never had that option, we need to hear both sides of EVERYTHING, no matter the allegation
I didn't want to believe it at first I was playing the new update on Lego 2k drive when I was looking at my phone and saw that Alex was treading he made so much good stuff made a Helluvaboss crossover with the mandala cataloge and even made a piggy-related content for the mandala cataloge but when this doc was made I wanted to put in the description for the model "I don't support Alex action" because you know that hole "support the port the art from the artist" thing but now I'm having 2nd thoughts untell Alex is not guilty I will keep my stuff private
I dont know Astro, there is a 27 page doc, 100+ screenshots, multiple victims coming forward, team is getting disbanded, I really don't think this is explainable
A 27 page document that’s 90% filler and filled with lot of irrelevant information and tons of contradictions and most of the “victims” are pulling back because they realize how bullshit their accusation’s are
People need to stop defending alex. MULTIPLE people came out about this situation and matched perfectly with already given info. On another note, I understand why they just immediately cancelled the mods but out of my own judgement I believe passion projects with love and effort put into them shouldn't be abandoned, seperate alex kister from the work, or put a disclaimer at the beginning of your mod saying "We do not condone the actions of alex kister, this was made purely out of interest in the series."
You can’t say some bullshit like “wait for the response” in this case. There were OVER 25 PAGES of evidence. Stop calling every claim bullshit, alex’s response is just gonna be some “oh I didn’t I’m not bad!” Lies
Leaving aside all Alex's controversy, canceling your project as soon as a controversy appears, seems like a very stupid decision to me,
They could have at least have put it on hold
@@DavisShortExactly. If he's guilty, cancel it then, bur for now it's smart to put the mod on hold until Alex comes out and tells the truth.
@@ot5267 Over 20+ people, including almost every member of the cast, have come out against him and confirming the stories of the victims. Why wait for the person being accused to tell THEIR story when there are endless sources who were close to him confirming just *one*?
@@snailsloppifier6000bet you feel like an idiot now huh
@@snailsloppifier6000 oooooh imagine being wrong
How long until people realize that they can just be neutral about everything, and just wait for more information before making drastic decisions?
Exactly!
Wdym more info? Is'nt a literal 27 page doc enough for you? Even victims went out and responded to the doc wth
Impossible
@@RetroSmash.Honestly, if more of this stuff happens, people will just start to be extremely passive about it.
I am already like that, i am already deprived emotionally because this fucking fandom is practically killing itself for years already, and it seems like is not going to stop anytime soon.
@@RetroSmash. Same thing happened with Cassette Girl creator and it was completely fake or even the revie situation
To be frank, from what i’ve seen in the doc itself (i’ve read roughly halfway through it),if we are to belive everything in the doc, i don’t even see alex as a groomer. I see someone who’s paranoid and doesn’t fully understand parasociality. If i’m wrong, i’ll retract all statements, but until then, i personal don’t buy it.
The most important thing to remember in these situations, is that there is a very fine line between supporting the victim, and beliving everything they say to be true without proof.
While it is important to suport the victim, you must always be 100% sure it’s true before you pick up your pitchfork and join the mob. The Dream situation and the Kwite situation is proof of this, and see so many great projects being cancelled without enough evidence is saddening.
I’m gonna stay neutral on the situation and wait for a response.
May I give my opinion here? Isn't it possible to finish the mods because we like The Mandela Catalogue.. But not supporting Alex Kister? See what I mean? Is this a good point?
I agree with you, I thought people learned that we can dissociate the product from the person, Alex Kister is a horrible human being yes, but that won't stop me from liking Mandela Catalogue
"seperate the art from the artist"
I have a mindset of supporting the art, but not the creator if they end up actually doing heinous things. Like John K with Ren & Stimpy, I'm a fan of the show, but don't like the creator for what he did at all, and what he did was pretty sickening.
Alex has to come up with like the best response ever
Lmao didn’t even wait for a response or shit
@@RibEyesProductionthe document has
20+ pages of evidence
@@alexcodexxthekinereader1212So? You can't decide the situation without listening to both sides. Even if one of them has strong evidence, it's only part of the full story.
@@nightdog4183 Why wait for the person being accused to give their side of the story if countless other people are confirming the same one? Anyone being accused of something like that will inevitably try to deflect or lie.
@@snailsloppifier6000You cannot blame a person and not let them defend themselves. We don't know how Alex will respond, so in my opinion it's too early to decide if he is innocent or guilty yet. You never know how the situation can turn out to be, if someone will just label him by hearing only one sides that would be defamation and harassment. I'm not saying he would be innocent if he'll just say he didn't do it, if he will present evidence of everything being fake, in that case only then he will be truly innocent instead of being supposedly guilty as of right now.
@@snailsloppifier6000ooooh, you were wrong
This sort of thing doesn't even surprise me anymore. Can't have anything nice on the internet anymore.
It's sad.
Every 5 minutes it feels like someone gets outed as a weirdo nowadays, and as some youtube channels have said, the internet has a "guilty until proven innocent" mindset.
I don’t know why it has to be guilty until proven innocent
exactly my point, no waiting for a response, no hearing alex out, legit just completely ruining the chances for mandela mods because allegations came out, big dumb dumb move from chase/z sharp imo. edit: that VHS shop that cancelled the mandela vhs too, just goes to show how something so insignifigant can ruin something so amazing
i wasn't going to comment, since i'm slowly dragging myself away from the such thing known as the internet since i need a break from it, but;
tack, the main director for analog funkin, is having the tmc shit removed, and as he said in the discord (yes, it was announced in the discord),
"Nothing will replace the week, it won't come back, and it is gone."
and since you did only cover 3 tmc mods out of the many, Many more that are gone, and to be completely honest, i respect their decisions, especially the c.f teams, they deserve a rest and besides, they dropped the full followed v3 for us to eat and boy oh boy have i been eating v3 alright
but yeah, i should probably shut up and get on my break now
Well byebye😢
Honestly, good for you for trying to get away from the internet. I'm debating on doing that myself too because there's just been so much going on both personally and on the internet. I need a break, the hard part is forcing myself to take one.
Best wishes to you on your internet break tho, it's always important to take breaks, I know it sounds like something straight out of a video game tutorial but it holds true here too. Good luck :) 🫡
Could've at least put Funkdela on hold. Absolutely loved that mod and I would've loved to see the new songs in game
Looks like you were right once again, Astro!
I think it’s the right time to say this… why can’t they just put the mod on hiatus, sort out the drama or controversy, simply fire them, or leave the drama and get on with the mod?
One of them DID, (forget which one), but then they got bullied into cancelling it anyways
@@crossoverenthusiast4367 that sucks
@@crossoverenthusiast4367 sucks even more now Alex is innocent
spent like four hours reading through everything in the document and not gonna lie it seems like the reason its so freaking long is because almost every single provided picture doesnt really support the accusers statements at all and so they wrote out a bunch of supposed context that doesnt usually make all that sense
they keep claiming that their friend was entirely undesiring the kind of attention alex was giving but if you look at the images they never once say that to alex and only say it to the accusing ex person, as a matter of fact they even explicitly tell alex that they were not crossing any boundaries and are comfortable with it, so im not quite sure how exactly alex was supposed to know that the friend actually meant the exact opposite of what they were saying unless alex has the ability to read minds or something
im kind of convinced the vast majority of people didnt actually read the images in relation to what the accuser is claiming cause while they seem to be legitimate conversations that occurred they also kind of.... support contrary of what the document claims?? im a little bit baffled how many people quickly jumped on the alex hatred bandwagon with how little substance the document has under scrutiny
county funkin will stay cancelled regardless of the conclusion of the situation sadly.
because bros are too afraid to even remotely show they support alex, hence why they cancelled everything so fast
@@Veteranplayzz welp atleast Alex Is innocent
At least Analog Funkin' is still ongoing, regardless if the Mandela Catalouge content will be in it or not.
I'm only waiting for it, so Casualty will actually be made into a series.
I’m not going to lie, although I’m ashamed of Alex, and even though he made things looks weird, I’m waiting to hear Alex’s response as he promised one on Twitter, I hope this is a kwite situation where it isn’t true
“He might’ve been a pervert, but he was also a genius, which is often the case” -Mac from It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia
(Just to make this clear, I’m not saying what he did was ok, because it was not if the evidence is correct)
I’m staying neutral again. But if it’s all true, I’m disappointed in Alex.
orion's evidence really wasnt as great as you think 💀
Honestly this is the real reason fnf going down because creators of big mods cancel them at the first excuse to and when that dont have that they pull the bs "no movition" like they didn't start the mod in the first place. It these modder truly cared about their work literally no mod would be canned
@billnye9299 Having no motivation isn’t something before a thing is created, it’s something that happens during creation. I’ve had plenty of moments where I’ve started a project but lost interest or motivation in continuing it.
This mod when it first released back in January got me into the series, and just when I decided to start watching through the show, the controversies came out. The mod was canned the same day it first happened, felt a bit too soon but idk if those allegations are true yet.
Wait, the actual Mandela catalogue has drama?
Alex Kister is a Pedo, so yuh
Alex Kister is a Pedo, so yuh
I’m not surprised by this to be honest
Dark and difficult times lie ahead
I will be neutral but if what he did is true then I’m kinda disappointed especially because I liked Mandela catalogue and I feel sorry for the victims, again I will stay neutral until then.
Dang, I was looking forward to a new update for County Funkin’.
And yet another mod completely thrown into a shredder just because someone's got deemed "problematic" *whoop'd - deedoo*
It is genuinely the most man-childish* kind of mentality that pisses me off with this shipwreck of a "community"
Like _'oh, no, hxusivoeh371 called one of his fan cringe while he was clearly posting out of an angry episode. Let's burn down all the progress we've done in our game associated with this vast-erd and mark him off of the internet'_ is not a healthy response towards unconfirmed accusations.
Alex did had to screw stuff up, didn't?
Edit: nvm Alex was actually innocent
It's basically revie drama 3.0
He didn’t lmao but the developers couldn’t wait
Except that he didn't
@@SCP-tn2ln yeah this comment is pretty outdated, just found out he's innocent yesterday
alex kister is innocent any news about FNF Mandela Catalogue unpurge or something
no
"Don't make me tap the sign."
*Separating art from the artist*
I’ll wait until Alex responds, I made some of my thoughts in replies to how I think it’ll end, but I will still watch the response, because both sides are important, and I hate to bring her into this, but Revie never had that option, we need to hear both sides of EVERYTHING, no matter the allegation
I dont really like the Mandela catalogue but Its really Sad for their community :(
I didn't want to believe it at first I was playing the new update on Lego 2k drive when I was looking at my phone and saw that Alex was treading he made so much good stuff made a Helluvaboss crossover with the mandala cataloge and even made a piggy-related content for the mandala cataloge but when this doc was made I wanted to put in the description for the model "I don't support Alex action" because you know that hole "support the port the art from the artist" thing but now I'm having 2nd thoughts untell Alex is not guilty I will keep my stuff private
I dont know Astro, there is a 27 page doc, 100+ screenshots, multiple victims coming forward, team is getting disbanded, I really don't think this is explainable
true
Thank you.
A 27 page document that’s 90% filler and filled with lot of irrelevant information and tons of contradictions and most of the “victims” are pulling back because they realize how bullshit their accusation’s are
You're a clown 🤡 and an idiot for believe false allegations
And you were wrong anyway
welp time to burn my intruder cosplay
Does this mean urbanspook is innocent?
atleast i don't have to see manmade horrors beyond my comprehension at the stage anymore. which is the ONLY upside from this :D
like others im gonna be neutral
Is it wrong to seperate the art from the artist in these situations?
WHAT THE HELL DID HE DO?
What??? FUNKDELA CATALOUGE AND COUNTRY FUNKIN IS CANCELLED??????? ☹️
Yeah I look the Wikipedia of it and it sad that it’s was canceled, v2 was gonna a huge improvement
i'm sorry Mandela Catanogue? its Catalogue not Nog! LMAO
Its mandelover
People need to stop defending alex. MULTIPLE people came out about this situation and matched perfectly with already given info.
On another note, I understand why they just immediately cancelled the mods but out of my own judgement I believe passion projects with love and effort put into them shouldn't be abandoned, seperate alex kister from the work, or put a disclaimer at the beginning of your mod saying "We do not condone the actions of alex kister, this was made purely out of interest in the series."
Well shit this didn't age well.
@radbridge2155 shut up I already know 😭
what happened?
the accusations were proven to be mostly false
@@zpice4lyfe704 oh ok
i dont care
So why did you click in the first place
@@matheuspires2462 to say that i dont care
@@whatafoolbelieeeeveslol
@@whatafoolbelieeeeves 💀
@@whatafoolbelieeeevesSounds like you care just a little bit lmfao
This is dumb.
1.5 GB
huh?
That's probably the size of the mod.@@AstroGaming07
@@generalkaboom6642 ah ok
@@generalkaboom6642 or the size of Alex's secret ""homework"" pc folder
@@AstroGaming07 its what it says at the end
You can’t say some bullshit like “wait for the response” in this case. There were OVER 25 PAGES of evidence. Stop calling every claim bullshit, alex’s response is just gonna be some “oh I didn’t I’m not bad!” Lies
THANK YOU.
I WAS SO DAMN MAD ABOUT HOW HE DEFENDED BRO JUST BECAUSE HE DIDN’T HAVE A RESPONSE TO THE DOCUMENT
HOLY HELL MAN
half the document is just compliments and weird texting
@@alexcodexxthekinereader1212 and you were wrong anyway
Haha was drivin by lies couldn’t be me bro
Hey man, i sended you friend request on discord. We were speaking last weak for my lua file. Hopefully you will help me out. Thanks