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You know what I love about the spore drive? Because the nature of how the mycillial network functions would seemingly help to explain how telepathy functions across all of star trek. If a race like the betazoids or Vulcans have an evolutionary tap into the network then that is how they can have those abilities. Counsellor troi is finally explained.
Imagine, if these spores are the part? excretion? of the tiniest, what's it's Shai hulud form? And what s it thinking about the consumption of its spores? Would it burn the space that's practically it's? Protect its sands?
johnnyxp64. Trek os already full of alternate timelines and universes. I say that any given episode or movie could well take place in its own discrete timeline. That would certainly accomodate the many large and small plot holes and contradictions. We even see this in some episodes, in Yesteryear from TAS the episode actually starts in an alternate timeline where Spock is not alive the the first officer of the ship is an Andorian, Spock attempts to restore his own timeline (presumably the one we know) but ultimately he doesnt. Yep, the episode ends with a 3rd time line established where Spock does live and serves aboard the Enterprise but its not the same timeline he remembers. So.... did the following episodes continue along the new timeline or did it return to the original leaving the new timeline to continue on unseen?
I absolutely love how basically every story has already been told and new ideas are so hard to come by that writers are forced to get creative. It works for me!
PLEASE, For the love of The MULTIVERSE. DO. NOT. EVER. COMPARE Star Trek (c) to Star Wars (tm) again. Also ST is better due to their *mainly with a few acceptions* staying scientific. And Star wars is explained by "some arbitrary amount of time in the distant past, in a galaxy we never discovered that is probably quintillions of lightyears away, these events occurred, and somehow we know about them"
Physics student here. Your explanation of Q entanglement was spot on, and you even managed to dodge the quantum teleportation trap. In real life quantum teleportation is impossible for the reason you give, the results are always random, even if they are opposite they're still random. BUUT if you did have a ftl network of say, spores, they could transmit your quantum data through the network and entangle you so then you are able to teleport without breaking causality. This pushes the burden scify onto the existence of the spore network itself, the spore drive would perfectly possible, if the network existed.
Wow, they named the spore expert after a real spore expert. Paul Edward Stamets (born July 17, 1955) is an American mycologist, author and advocate of bioremediation
Stamets is hands down the best character on Disco. He's the only one with an ark, the only one learning something, his relationship is very believable and you feel for him when Hugh (spoilers) dies. Stamets is literally the only good thing about this show. Everything else is utter garbage.
It's a really neat idea....except this is going nowhere, since Discovery is a prequel, and there is no such thing as spore drive in the future. Outlandish ideas like this would be rad in a post-Nemesis series. Cool video though. When I watched the episode I thought of it like a 'intergalactic subway' system made of fungi. And the spores are what enable one to travel in this network.
Yeah it bugs the crap outta me that basically nothing that will happen will have any dramatic effect on history or will happen in alternate timelines or universes etc Guarantee we get a mirror universe episode out of this.
I'm not quite sure where they are going with this. Either the tech ultimately is not practical or remains so classified that we don't see it in other Treks.
"They are the building blocks of energy across the universe"... aha, only that matter cannot be building blocks of energy as matter is condensed energy and energy existed before matter ever did. Spores being building blocks of energy is simply a stupid concept - someone clearly did not understand what energy is.
No. Ender's philotic strings (*not* particles), based loosely on string theory, made a *lot* more sense. "neural physics" is an empty idiotic phrase intended to fool the uneducated (no scientist would ever have anything to do with it). physics is physics.
@@Youcancallmeishmaell Neural Physics is probably Precursor's red herring anyway--a nonsense garble of concepts designed to confuse the Forerunners and the Humans and make them chase after unprovable ideas and incalculable equations so they could maintain supremacy over the races, their secrets safe within their inner circle. If Neural Physics is real thing, the Forerunner would've discovered its true nature long ago; or at least took a glimpse.
So. The fungus is not only a transporter but also the force. Well. Something is going to go horribly wrong with it since it is never mentioned in TOS and on.
thing is IF the rumours are true and this is a Section 31 ship then this would be classified information and we know Section 31 doesn't share it's secrets
the Transwarp drive on NX-2000 did fail. but while doing to it lead to more advanced warp drive tech later used in ships like Galaxy Class and further models..
Everything is way more advanced as we see in TNG era series, but still happens before TOS in the prime timeline. I just cannot get into this show. It just does not feel like Star Trek to me. Even Orville feels more like Star Trek...
Regarding the willingness to deal with internal and external conflicts while pushing the boundaries of the known Discovery very much feels like Star Trek. TOS though. And while i somewhat like Orville for its nostalgia approach I also find the Berman-Era plot recycling very very boring.
You would think it is a good idea, you know, kinda based on 'real world' quantum physics and stuff. But really, its just really fucking dumb. Coming from a long time Trek fan that has no interest in the Discovery bullshit.
midichlorian spore create the Force field that cover the entire galaxy you can go every where you want on galaxy highway. there is no more final frontier,where no one has gone before. Star Trek - once upon a time, in the galaxy far far away ...
Peter Francis. Thats how trek started didnt it? TOS and the early movies had the enterprise traversing the entire galaxy at the speed of plot, it wasnt until TNG that they established the quadrants and a rough scale of travel. So the question isnt what happened to this drive between DSC and TOS, the question is what happened between TOS and TNG that meant casual trips from the center to beyond the edge of the galaxy were no longer possible?
DrewLSsix what you are missing is that TOS had a 5 year mission to explore but they are limited by how far the can go if they ever want to come back in 5 years. Thus they couldn't have gone beyond the immediate vicinity of federation space. Put another way i could spend 5 years exploring all the states surrounding MD and left with plenty to explore in those states. No need to go exploring California for example.
If this the spore drive is to be melded into the original canon then it could be explained that the fungi was killed (on purpose or by mistake) in one area, but because it was quantum entangled with the rest of the network, the fungi all eventually/immediately died and they are now left with normal warp drive.
Is this how the "Q" travel I wonder? I hope this all pans out, it would be sad if the Star Trek franchise loses out to a Seth McFarlane comedy spoof. As of right now I have enjoyed the Oroville more than the Discovery.
So, this is the "new way to fly" in STD? (I'm not watching Discovery since I'm not paying for another streaming service) *this* is what they're doing? Fucking seriously?! Jesus. :facepalm; rubs brow: Is just sticking with regular warp drive that much of a hurdle? We have to come up with some "spore" the inhabits the entire universe the ship can travel along using quantum entanglement to instantly jump between two points? The ship has to have these cannisters and a whole room dedicated to growing spores? What the hell, man?!
yes how dare they explore new concepts and innovate (the entire premise of the franchise) they should just stick with the same cookie cutter formula they have milked for 50 years im sure that will be a huge success (looks over at enterprise) oh wait no THATS WHAT KILLED THE FRANCHISE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!
When it's a fucking prequel that takes place ten years before the Original Series...uh..yeah. Stick with Warp drive instead of shitting on decades of established Trek continuity with some nonsense fairy dust drive that has never been mentioned ever.
Exile Studios Exploring new concepts is great. But the fucking mushroom engines is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of in science fiction. It's seriously mentally deficient.
12 years the whole franchise imploded because of the inabilty of B & B to try something new from time to time. Why are so many fans butt hurt over a soft reboot which is exploring the frontier of its own franchise. I am glad, they finally stopped threating Trek like a religion and started doing sci fi again!
It is also quite deadly. Fungi spores settling on planets, growing networks and new spores, which then teleport off into outer space, mostly into the void between stars. If a thing like this starshroom existed, it likely would have killed all life in the universe millions of years ago by depleting all available biospheres.
I propose the Taco Bell Drive. It utilizes the same technology Taco Bell does in their burritos to evacuate your bowels to propel you across the universe.
This works not sorry. For a quantumentanglement Transportation (like this seems to be) you need the same ammount of (same entangled) particles on start and goal location. And this is never the case with this random spread mushroomspores... And the Crystals in the normal warpcore are no "mambojambo" like that. They have a technical reason. In RL Particleaccelerators they use too Lithiumtargets for several experiments. her eit is the same. The Dilithium Crystal works as "Target" for the Matter Antimatter Reaction.
Sigh.... NO!NO!NO! You are missing the KEY INGREDIENT here. The Rhizome. The "Spores" are a form of Fungus, meaning that it, like ALL Funguses, grows in a networked system called a "Rhizome." A fungus growing in space would LIKELY extend into "Subspace," in a fictional Universe where such a thing "Existed" (As it doesn't in ours, being just a mathematical abstraction of space-time), making it possible to gather information about the "State" of the universe anywhere ON that Rhizome, as happens in Terrestrial Fungi. The Quantum Voodoo is just window-dressing to throw people off of the actual connections for how Biology can extend to Physics. Which it freaking DOES ANYWAY, since EVERYTHING is Physics. The better story in Discovery is Section 31, "The Albino" and why he killed Kang, Kor, and Kolath's firstborn, and the rest of the Klingon History.... The "Spore Drive" is just window dressing, like the Transporter. How much do you want to bet that the Shinzhou becomes the first D7 Battlecruiser?
So we have Klingons with cloaking technology before their alliance with the Romulans, holographic communication before DS9, and now a drive system which could have bought Janeway and Voyager home in the blink of an eye along with giving the Federation a big advantage during the Dominion War and making the Traveler and Q’s movement through the Galaxy seem like child’s play for any Starfleet vessel. This actually makes the last 3 Star Trek movies look brilliant by comparison. At least they had an alternate time line to explain their poor decision making. This is utterly garbage. I think whoever came up with these magic star drive mushrooms were probably ingesting some mushrooms at the time. Luckily they were not doing crack or we would have cocaine powered photon torpedoes.
Keith Perkins you are so right. When I posted a comment a while ago I posted that discovery has too much technology for it being a prequel to tos. To were someone replied and said that it wasn’t the sixties any more. My answers was wtf.
Keith Perkins you are so right. When I posted a comment a while ago I posted that discovery has too much technology for it being a prequel to tos. To were someone replied and said that it wasn’t the sixties any more. My answer was wtf.
Yeah I've heard there's a bunch of inconsistencies on the show as far as relating to other trek. Not the first time Archer time travels. the encounter alien species that they're not supposed to meet until later shows. Not to mention the romulan cloaking device or the cloaked minefield. Where no one has gone before TNG episode. the traveler in an engineering accident causes the Enterprise to jump I don't even know how many galaxies away were thought has a magic power to become real. on the return trip getting back to the milky way galaxy would be hard enough let alone hitting the alpha quadrant. But they did. Star trek vthey go from the Earth all the way to the center of the Galaxy and back in a 2-hour movie took Voyager 7 years. Another oops of Star trek v is the Klingon shooting at I think it was pioneer space probewhere modern science tells us it'll take at least 40,000 years to get out of the gravity pull of the sun and into interstellar space.
It's all explained though. 1) Klingon's cloaking came from only one ancient ship, and then shared to other ships by Kol. Subsequently, Discovery cracked the cloaking with those 157 jumps, rendering the cloaking outdated. 2) We even have holographic communications today in the form of XR glasses. To think that they won't have iPads in 200 years is just silly. 3) The only person who can navigate with the Spore Drive is Paul Stamets, and the whole time from Season 1 to 2 he was either in coma, in another universe, or 950 years into the future. Also, it's been mentioned that he only achieved so by genetic modification of himself, which was banned by Federation. Disclosing it would bring both he and Dr. Culber into serious trouble. They never had the chance to disclose that, so what's left when Discovery was gone, from the perspective of the Federation, is just an irreplicable theory that resulted in two horrifically destroyed ships. As to why has nobody made the Spore Drive again for another 150 years? Just think about how humanity today still had not figured out Antikythera Mechanism, Roman Cement, Greek Fire, etc. They were lost due to secrecy and they all required understanding of multiple disciplines. Suppose Paul Stamets was a rare person who took interest in both physics and mycology, given all the red tape on top of it after the fall of Section 31, the Spore Drive would unlikely be reinvented any time soon. When the Warp Drive works perfectly fine at Warp 9.6, why bother?
I loved the concept of faster then light travel in this anime i saw years ago. Here they sort of did not travel but somehow used the fact that there are an infinite realities. Not everything is possible BUT it was very much possible their counterparts in another reality would be at that location they wanted to be. and that their counterparts wanted to be at their location. what then actually happened is their ships swapped realities and consciousnesses got swapped trough entanglement (even though entanglement litteraly is just about spin...) but this was identical particles swapping reality so yeah they can add their own mechanics to how that happens.. result they both just moved light years in a moment without actually moving. i loved that concept.
Forget the spores, what about that SPINNING SAUCER SECTION???? This video explained NOTHING about it!!! I looked up one idea: "And whammo, the ship and its spinning saucer sections are at Corvan II. That’s right, the gaps in the ship’s saucer spin around and get rid of excess energy when the ship goes to Ludicrous Speed."
Actually we WERE told how the warp-drive worked in TOS: the matter and anti-matter plasma were combined in a magnetic bottle according to a specific intermix-formula, creating the space-warp according to the Cochrane premise that converts strong nuclear forces to gravitational, according to the "trans-stator" principle-- which is the basis of all federation technology. It just isn't explained all at once, but hints are dropped throughout the series.
When plain old warp drive just isn't good enough! OK, why not find a way to incorporate dark matter in this new/old warp drive. Since it's believed that dark matter is what keeps galaxies together (surrounds us, binds us, flows through us), you could use the same premise as spore drive, but use particles of dark matter to make the quantum jump? Dark matter drive, or quantum drive sounds better than spore drive imo =D
SuperSagittaria . Did you though? Pretty closed minded for a person who "understood" Star Trek. You'd also have to weigh in on how all the TOS movies, TNG movies and show, Deep Space Nine , Voyager, Enterprise, Reboot films ruined Star Trek. Don't forget episodes in the TOS that don't make sense or fit in with other episodes. I am not saying that this series is good or bad, but blanket statement like the one you made is why the rest of us can't have nice things.
The concept of Quantum Entanglement has actually been explored in other medias, specifically the Mass Effect serries to allow instant communication. Though nothing too large as the beam cannon handle that much data of mass, making it too unstable and collapse. Maybe that is how it will end, the Spore Drive turn out to be too unstable and kills too much and Vermeer have to make the hard choice with her Captain.
raw666 Quantum entanglement was portrayed as shittily in Mass Effect as it is here. People need to stop thinking of entanglement as some sort of magical telekinesis system, that's just not how it works. You can't make things appear out of thin air through entanglement and you can't transmit information with it either. Mass effect are hands down my favorite games of all time but they have a lot of nonsense science in them.
Gravity warping space-time is a real thing. Matter/antimatter annihilation is a real thing. Mushroom spore networks communicating across the voids of interdimensional spaces is not a real thing. The theory that they even communicate across the planet was proven to be false. This concept is not only fantasy, it is fantasy that has been proven false in reality.
What is with Alex Kurtzman constantly trying to invalidate the existence of starships in Star Trek? It may make sense to explore alternative methods of transport, but all this does is leave gaping plot holes as to why these alternative methods of travel aren't used in the "future" of the timeline. I mean, obviously this is probably going to end in an Event Horizon-esque catastrophe, and the project will be abandoned, but EVERY bit of Star Trek that Kurtzman has gotten his grubby hands on has some sort of teleportation covering long distances faster than a starship.
true. youd imagine janeway at least CONSIDERING the spore drive to get home quickly (or somebody asking and she just shutting them down). i mean... seriously, after more then 200 years this HAS to have turned declassfied some way or another.
More, it would never been under wraps completely - the technical application certainly would be classified, but the existence as such and the "space tardigrades" would be such revolutionary knowledge that no one is going to waive whatever equivalent to the Nobel prize they have just because someone says "You're not allowed to talk about this". In fact, by the time of the Discovery episodes, we could expect that there is already some degree of knowledge outside of Starfleet, quite simply because it's nigh unthinkable that Starfleet would be able to do all the necessary research, including basic research issues necessary to lay the foundations of any technical exploitation, itself.
KrisHatesWorld You were half right. They decided not to use it and keep it under wraps because the war with the Klingons ends and it needs a host to work. It doesn’t really make sense to keeps using it anymore.
Daniel Christian Rohrer Peters even if Janeway did not know about it because it was classified above her clearance there are two ways she would have found out about it later series. 1) Seven of nine as a borg surely would have known about it, 2) Forget all the waste of the Pathfinder project to get Voyager home Starfleet just give her clearance to look at the files and send them to her. It is what it is a terrible violation of cannon by the smucks that write STD.
You missed that they mentioning going a certain distance in a certain time. Your idea of some kind of quantum teleporter is nice, but would be instantaneous and not be bound by distance: If you have your entangled target at some point in space, and press "engage", you are instantly transported. No uptick (except if you need to load capacitators or something), and no travel time. BUT: You would have to send your target designator by normal means, so you are either confined by lightspeed or your current warp-tech. Either way, they mentioned they could only go a few hundred kilometers and mentioned that their sister ship went a few lightyears in a few minutes or so. So this is a normal "warp"-engine, except that it hase no engine, no energy requirements (after all, all you need is to sprinkle someone with the spores and they travel, while also not travelling (she can hear Lorca talking) and ... yeah. This whole idea is a complete clusterfuck like the rest of this shitty series, and if somebody actually thought this through instead of thinking "HEY; SPACE SPORES ARE TOTALLY COOOOOL; THE KIDS WILL LOVE IT!", the would have ditched it to replace it with something better - like they should have done with the rest of the series.
Sounds like a homage/plot rip from ROBOTECH. Where they use PROTOCULTURE for space folding/jumps. Now since STD is advertised as a prime time line prequel to OST perhaps this plot device is being used to explain all the Earth like planets/cultures from OST via a viral contamination of the cultures/planets similar to a STD infection. As for why Spore drive isn't mentioned ever again in OST or the rest of the future of prime time line the apex of STD could end in with STD infecting the spore network and thus killing it from the inside out and nullifying itself from the prime line in the process.
This series with all it's advance tech could have been a lot better after TNG,DS9 & Voyager in the future either 25th or 30th Century with this Spore Drive. looks similar to Transwarp Drive & other faster than light travel in the shows. but they had to ruin it making it a prequel to the JJVerse Star Trek movies. since this show with everything they keep screaming that is set 10 years before the original series. it's BS. they better admit this is a remake & a continuation of Enterprise.
The spice extends life. The spice extends consciousness. The spice is vital to space travel, travel without moving. And conveniently transmits information and a warp travel network.
After reading several comments regarding this, I think you guys are missing the fact that the biotech that makes this propulsion possible doesn't have to be ever exposed to the other original series because it is above top secret, by a shadow federation compartmentalized section 31 type agency of the federation to allow exclusive access to the tech that TOS and TNG would never receive.
ArchOfWinter the iconian where from alternate dimention their gateways work on science that way way way beyond anything the federation could even try to understand, that is in Canon, if the federation can understand this bs fantasy drive then either ot is another shot at destroying canon fans love or they are just too stupid to do their research
There is no mention of alternate dimension on Memory Alpha beside as a joke told by Paris. Nothing in any established canon explains how the Iconian gateway work. It is a mystery. All I am saying is, this can be used as an explanation in future settings further down the timeline beyond the TNG movies if they want to explore the Iconian more. I never said the Federation in the setting of Discover knows about the gateway or even the Iconian. I'm just saying this can be the foundation principle of the gateway. The Federation in this show will abandon this tech since we know this tech never gets mentioned again in later eras. It won't destroy canon. Look at the steam engine in the real world for comparison. Ancient Greeks has an invention that uses steam power for an entertainment device and never developed it for anything else. This doesn't mean they know how the complex steam engine of the 19th century works or that it exist, it just mean they happened to dabbled into the same fundamental scientific principle as a more advance civilization would eventually develop. Just to clarify, the Ancient Greeks in this analogy is the Federation, and the 19th century industrial nations are the Iconian.
Best explanation : It is a poorly conceived plot device that will remain vague and stupid. While warp was never explained, it also never was the main McGuffin. STD is a train wreck.
ST:D is an allegory for "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland". Michael is Alice, Cp. Lorca is the Mad Hatter, Philippa Georgiou is the White Queen, Saru is the blue Caterpillar, the Cheshire Cat is a Tardigrade (a microscopic resilient creature of 0.5mm long in real life but of 6 feet - like a Lion - in the show...this animal was confirmed in an interview by Jason Isaacs, you can see that his character calls it "Kitty-Kitty" in episode 3), and the White Rabbit is USS Discovery (the crew tries to tap into the "mycelial network" of space, meaning that maybe the ship it shrinks and comes back to normal dimensions at the exit). Another interesting fact about USS Discovery: the saucer's rigs are slowly couter-rotating! You can see this on the consoles-screens in two scenes from episode 3, the one in which Michael gives back the codes to Lt. Stamets, and the one with Cp. Lorca explaining her "a new way to fly" (3:21 moment in this clip). Basically the outer saucer ring rotates counterclockwise while the inner ring rotates clockwise.
So spores are the reason for STD. I'd buy more into a worm drive, this is utterly nonsensical and baseless. At least a warp drive is theoretically possible, though you'd need about as much energy as a sun.
Actually for an Alcubierre drive (the theoretical real world version of the Warp Drive) to move a starship it would need more energy and negative mass than is currently available in the entire observable universe. Virtually all of Star Treks technology from Warp drive to transporters, replicators, holograms, energy weapons and time travel are almost always portrayed in completely unrealistic ways and in complete defiance of physics as it was understood at the time of the stories conception. The Spore drive is very likely equally impossible but I don't hear you complaining about that for any of the original series.
Valen123456 The latest theories on a warp drive show a lot less energy than once imagined. However, it's at least theoretical .. this spore drive is absurd frankly silly. Regarding time traveling it certainly isn't going to come from snapping around some sun. Going forward in time would be easier than warp speed. Going backwards I seriously doubt will ever happen.
Agreed but most of Star Treks canon concepts (as is the majority of fiction and fantasy in general) are no more far-fetched and silly than the Spore drive already, they have just been hallowed by time and lots of story lines. Applied Quantum science in the real world is already pretty strange and that is apparent reality. I am afraid that using a term like far-fetched is very poor choices of words when applied to any fiction. I freely admit that i cannot explain Quantum entanglement as well as EC Henry does here and for all i know it could be dead wrong too, but it is just as out there as Star Treks standard tech, so for now I am enjoying the fact they have brought in another level of futuristic science into Star Trek rather than retread old paths. I guarantee that if the developers had done that there would have been just as many complaints that they were not being original.
Valen123456 Quantum entanglement explains itself easily if you believe in the Holographic Universe Principle. However, if true then none of us are alive as we define alive. So if we're a simulation then anything is possible .. hack the mainframe. Possible proof journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.118.041301
+Valen123456 "Agreed but most of Star Treks canon concepts (as is the majority of fiction and fantasy in general) are no more far-fetched and silly than the Spore drive already" Sorry, but that's nonsense. Focusing on the quantum entanglement bit only neglects the "biology as physics" bit, which is nothing but circular reasoning. "I freely admit that i cannot explain Quantum entanglement as well as EC Henry does here and for all i know it could be dead wrong too, but it is just as out there as Star Treks standard tech, so for now I am enjoying the fact they have brought in another level of futuristic science into Star Trek rather than retread old paths." By that logic, midichlorians are the greatest thing in scifi and any concept a scifi writer introduces is by definition "futuristic science". The fact that an Alcubierre drive by current understanding requires impractical amounts of energy and has impractical side effects is one of practicality that may well change as technology is refined. It does not suffer from a bout of circular reasoning as does "biology as physics"
Slipstream, from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, allows a ship to travel a web of interconnected filiments across the galaxies. Navagation is more dependent on human or biological pilots because their brain automatically chooses the correct course by gore of will where as a computer whould have to analize all the options avalible. Simiular to the observer effect in your analysis of string theoru, where the act of measuring changes the outcome
If you're really interested in more information about the spore drive, you can check out the video game they stole the idea, specifics, visuals and characters from. It's called Tardigrades.
Didn't TNG have a similar concept when they found an ancient civilization that had gateways to all over the galaxy and one even led to the bridge of NCC-1701D. They never really explained how that worked.
well play star trek online :D apart from the fighting which is of coarse very present in that game they do an surprisingly good job in taking all those lose ends we got in the shows and combining them to an really nice piece of story which fills many of the plotholes produced by the shows. The ancient civilization you are referring to are the Iconians and they are still around waiting in the shadows preparing to return. They also prevent others from using their tech. In STO that leads to an full scale war which is build up with many many references to tv episodes like that one where the crew of the Enterprise D is kidnapped into subspace and examined. Also the Krennim and their Time manipulating tech makes a return. They really manage to fill many plotholes left over by the tv shows. Since you play as an future captain you get to see most of these tings from the other perspective for example the timeship Capt. Archer finds and which just vanishes for Archer its an mystery never solved but in the future that story isn't at its end.
There is a stark difference between having one episode of nonsense in a show that constantly switches writers and basing the premise of your entire show on BS like spore drive.
I will start out saying I am one of them that says this is not Star Trek.On that note this is a neat concept. I wish they had just made this their own show and not tacked on Star Trek. Then there wouldn't be this rift or infighting. This concept could have stood on its own. And yes I know there would still be the people out there trying to say they were trying to be like Star Trek
You see Thought, motivation are equivalent to action. Time is a construct not relevant on the universal scale. All the paths that can be traversed are there because they already Have Been traversed . Time is only linnear from our point of view. So, thats how you have free will and predetermination all at the same time.
They did the "organic drive" thing in Voyager. Janeway chased down and effectively executed a fellow captain for it. But apparently it's ok for Discovery,....
Bruce Jenner Well Janeway killed the other guy because he was actively hurting the creatures he used to travel faster. In disco, they have this animal in the beginning but stamets kind of replaces it and if stamets is the one being tortured, that's totally fine.
@@robertt9342 Because it's Mirror Lorca who's cool with torturing it. Michael and then Dr. Culber were against it and Saru stopped her because he followed Lorca's orders.
Heard of the section 31 theory? The theory explains the dark tone, lack of information from the point of view Michael, and ncc-1031. It might make the show pretty good imo. I did not come up with the theory. Check out the full theory: ua-cam.com/video/KoW8Sq8-hr4/v-deo.html
Don't see how you can have a lifeform everywhere,spreadout evenly across the entire galaxy,which would be a requirement. Its a visible spore right? So why don't you see them everywhere? Quantum entanglement itself would be interesting but spores? Nah i just dont see it.Would be cool if they linked it to the Iconians but again,given how hit and miss they are with lore i dont see it. Also it reeks of deus ex machina,can see this magic new type of movement being in it just to justify the little to non existant travel times,meaning more action pieces in an episode.
Mr X we saw them because they were grown in engineering. But they also appear in the subspace mycelial network. They were using the reaction cube chamber as a gateway to access it.
Did you say the ship in its original position is "destroyed"? This just confirms an old fear I've had: that when you teleport, you die and an oblivious copy of you takes your place in the other location. It would be funny to see the souls or ghosts of all these essentially different people (you and all of your copies) meet in the afterlife and discuss how stupid they were to have fallen for that. Some of these copies would have lived only for a few minutes, the short period of time between teleporting trips. The good thing? Well, at least your species and your civilization would thrive, just without you in it.
The cells in your body are not the same cells that you had years ago and they are arranged in slightly different ways. That organism that was you of years ago no longer exists.
How slowly can cells be replaced before it results in death of the original? If transport took ten minutes as cells were gradually pulled apart and reassembled and the organism at the destination survived, wouldn't it be similar to replacement over days, months, or years?
Well, only 2 ships had an experimental spore drive, U.S.S. Discovery and the Glenn. Since the Glenn got destroyed and scuttled and Discovery went to the future, maybe they hadn't had the specs for later crossfield class ships .....
The really interesting thing to observe about entangled particles, is that even though we can't use that particular effect to transmit information, it proves that information can be transmitted faster than light, and it is not impossible for us to use some other effect to communicate instantly at any distance.
But it does NOT prove that as you are NOT sending information due to the randomness of the quantum state. Not saying sending information is NOT possible but as we understand physics right now it is NOT but again this proves NOTHING as information is NOT sent. It's like you literally heard what you wanted and not what was said.
Another See-BS idea that was pulled out of some VP's rear end with their little finger. If Discovery was to be a decade before TOS, then do the best one can within that pretext. Star Trek was about concepts and egalitarian ideals about humanity and other sentient lifeforms working together. There was plenty of material for this concept if Desilu made 7 different shows, one for every night of the week with 7 of the 12 Constitution Class Starships. Although discovery was watchable, it had about as little to do with Star Trek TOS as possible. The Fan Made films that CBS clamped down on were closer to the mark as to the spirit of the old series. At least CBS could have dispensed with lens flairs. CBS wanted to be all things to all people (TOS era, the reboot movies) to attempt to draw the "young movie crowd". Didn't anyone teach these geniuses that when one tries to please everybody, you end up pleasing nobody. The stuffed shirts executives went with the ubiquitous Hollywood mentality of secure a recently successful producer without experience in the genre. Don't give a sh!T about the hardcore fans who for more than two or more generations kept the franchise going and have been paying the bills and buying stuff for the last 52 years. When you put in technology special effects that looks overly futuristic for TNG's Enterprise, and hire writers that do not know or care what is or isn't canon (or for that matter dogma) about the TOS series, and then set it a decade before Kirk (Chris Pike, Number One, and Mr. Spock time) and expect this to fit or be accepted is a far stretch. There's James Cawley's exact replication set of the Enterprise in Ticonderoga, NY. It could have been redressed as in the Cage pilot. The money saved on the set could have been used for special effects (space battles, ect) planet sets, even more extensive sets. At least it's not as dark (someone paid the electric bill) as Star Trek, The Movie Set lighting. But NO! CBS VP's in their infinite, and unfathomable stupidity wanted to have their cake and eat it, too. Discovery could have been a top secret project, a ship on covert spy mission, an experimental lost for two decades, a ship from the future to prevent or restore space from the Kelvin time line, or many possibilities, but CBS wanted to jump-start their online pay channel with star trek's rank and file without paying attention to these fans. CBS expected the hardcore fans to be so filled with gratitude that would accept any fricking bone CBS would throw these fans way, but wanted the Kelvin Time Line fan's dollars, too, and pandered to the explosions, space battles, hand to hand combat which set is standard fair of every teen oriented action movie. I am surprised there wasn't a vampire, a werewolf, a zombie, and a supernatural entity in the crew thrown in to boot. Any of the CBS brain trust, using the term loosely, had to do was read the comments of the fans on UA-cam, but here's a quarter buy a clue that wasn't how they were taught at an Ivy League MBA program, or by the CEO's and they think they "know better" what the fans want, or that they can ignore their consultants sage advice as it suits them. At least we can be grateful that J J Abrams has no involvement and gone on to his next victim (regrettably Star Wars, being a fan of SW and ST is not mutually exclusive) not that I would wish that on my most hated movie series. I will give high marks to the actors, especially Michelle Yeoh, for doing their best with what they had to work with.
RE "I am surprised there wasn't a vampire, a werewolf, a zombie, and a supernatural entity in the crew thrown in to boot." oi, don't give them any more ideas ... Apparently they never met a dumb idea they didn't like.
"a ship from the future to prevent or restore space from the Kelvin time line" hell why would they ever want to do that? I mean CBS doesn't see anything wrong with the Kelvin timeline, why would they want to prevent/erase it? It's only your wish, there is really no reason, they would ever listen.
I think this is all too fancy. What happens is the people on the ship breathe in the magic mushrooms and hallucinate the whole trip. The ship never actually moves.
Actually, you explained it pretty well. And yes, I agree with a huge Fiction part. But who knows, teleport was also a fiction once, and today they are doing it. Extremely small particles, and extremely small distances. But it is happening. Star Trek ... always inspiring :)
except it isnt matter that's actually teleported, but information, and altough the change if quantum states is instantaneosly, you need to mesure it and compare it to the "original', which is bound by the speed of light
Joseph Bryant That is not how the transporter works. The transporter doesn't create things out of thin air instantaneously, it uses data to faithfully recreate matter in a certain pattern from energy. The spore drive somehow completely misundrratnds what quantum entanglement is and then does some magic to do some thing that's never explained. People need to stop thinking of entanglement as telekinesis or teleportation. That is not how it works and you can't send information using entanglement. As the person above me said, this is a classic case of people listening to what Neill DeGrasse Tyson says off hand in some discovery channel documentary and then treating it like scientific fact. There should be a huge PSA during next year's superbowl making it clear that 1) Teleportation has not been achieved because it is impossible and violates the laws of physics. 2) Quantum entanglement is not magic, it can't transmit information or energy or matter and it can't break the laws of physics. 3) Spore Drive is unscientific mumbo jumbo.
The problem is, quantum entanglement can not transport information faster than the speed of light. So actually it's possible for particles to be entangled on a long range scale, but if you send an information you wouldn't just hurt the No-Cloning-Theorem, you would also be bound to the Theory of General Relativity. Or to be more precise, you can't send information faster than light, without loosing the information itself. As a result all particles you send would be randomized. Or in more simple words for the 2009 Generation of Star Trek fans. You'd be screwed the moment you enter that shitty thing.
No there you are wrong. Quantumentangld Particles transfer their "Information" timeless (instant). Equalhow far away. This has been proved by experiments.
Quantum entanglement 'transports' information instantaneously, by definition. The limits of speed have nothing to do with the concept. Action and reaction are carried out simultaneously regardless of distance. 2:36
Nope. No information send via the entanglement can be transmittted faster than light. There were several experiments to superluminar tunneling and the EPR Paradox, which clearly stating, that superluminar transmitted information is mostly lost. Even so Quantum Mechanics doesn't suspend any other physical law. Quantum Entanglement allows instantaneous changes of the particle states, without gathering information about the state of the particles. As you may know, to read out any information would lead to the collapse of a quantum system. In any case, to send information need something to carry them (for example with a photon). But that carrier is bound to the limits of Theory of General Relaitivity. So it's impossible to travel faster than light, by using quantum entanglement.
+Oliver Franke To be fair Star Trek like the majority of space sci-fi's has always been quite happy to make exceptions to relativity to allow superliminial communication and/or travel. Oh handwavey subspacey stuff or whatever.
I'm only 100% confident that this concept is going to create nerd-rage in the comments section for the next 10 years...or until the next Star Trek show.
"Hey, let's come up with a really stupid way to immediately change Star Trek into Harry Potter/BSG for no fucking reason whatsoever. Sound good? Let's get to work!" I should not be able to accurately predict how the story will unfold due to obvious and simplistic plot devices and character setups this early in a series. When you add the Harry Potter drive and everything it entails, the show suddenly goes from mediocre with promise to batshit crazy stupid. Thank you CBS.
What was thoughtful about this video? It is talking about flipping FUNGUS. Star Trek is not Star Wars and it doesn't need the fukking force. Spore Drive??????? This is beyond idiocy. Discovery is the worst show I have seen in a long time... And I will not follow blindly because it has the Star Trek name. Learn to think for yourself.
+Jim L. No reason to blast the poster of the vid - he just offered a pretty "clean" theory of the spores in this new Trek - and no one is really asking you to like this Trek - but why do the "Trek faithful" feel the need to lash out at the prospect of Trek doing something new - We still have plenty of aspects of the old Star Trek lore in this series - but simply adding a new layer is sacrilege - we can accept the Q, sybok, non existing elements, like dilithium, and any other mystical non-"scientific" aspects of trek because they were wearing the uniforms you were used to - I just don't get the hate, from a group of people raised by the idea that we boldly go to strange new worlds, explore new life, etc and because this is a concept your having trouble wrapping your head around, it immediately draws the hate flag, bashing fellow fans of the franchise! Are protests and anti-protest at the cons next?
+max corrice Star Trek of old used to take a valid scientific hypothesis(tachyons) or theory(anti-matter) and "make shit up" around that. The Heisenberg Compensator on the transporters is one that really jumped out at me. But since this is an Abramsverse "Trek" it's going to be closer to Star Wars type of space opera than scifi.
Could be that we're actually looking at what eventually gets called "TransWarp" in Star Trek 3. Which is then never addressed until Voyager's Borg Transwarp Conduits.
Not really. Transwarp just is way faster than normal warp, not teleportation. We see transwarp screens in several of the movie area movies between TOS and TNG, so starfleet used the technology for a while. We don't really know why they dropped it, but it is not teleportation like this.
JasperVlogt when this show was first announced I vaguely recall an article claiming the ship would have an unorthodox propulsion system allowing it to transit not only space but time.
transwarp doesn't operate on the same principle as warp. Transwarp initiation involves the formation of a subspace conduit through which the vessel traverses between point A and point B. The reason it's not pursued is because point B couldn't be determined with any accuracy. The Borg use transwarp because they have a network of permanent and mapped transwarp conduits with known, static endpoints. To clarify: normal warp drive uses subspace compression to form a wave, which the vessel then rides like a surfboard. The amplitude of the wave determines relative normal space velocity through subspace. (several sources including the Trek Companion, the novel "Federation", the TNG Writer's Technical Manual, and the TOS Writer's Bible)
The fact that there's a fuck-ton of Trek canon set after this date and not one syllable is ever breathed about this fungal nonsense means it goes nowhere. So this experiment is going to have to fail in such a way that permanently ends all interest in harnessing it. Which is going to be one hell of a feat, since so many times we've seen Starfleet and others fretting over finding new methods of super-fast propulsion. Are we to believe that the _Voyager_ crew never once dared attempt to recreate this spore drive as a means of sparing themselves a 75-year odyssey, even after accepting the grotesque results of transwarp drive and quantum slipstream technology? That it held no appeal when the Federation was forced to recognize that conventional warp drive was destroying subspace? That Dukat and Weyoun were never tempted to use it as a way of bypassing the mined Bajoran Wormhole and summoning the Jem'Hadar from the Gamma Quadrant? That even the mighty Borg gave it a wide berth, when they were willing to risk apocalyptic experiments with the Omega Molecule and unleashing all the horrors of fluidic space upon us all? So not only does it have to fail in such a way that no one ever uses it again, it has to fail in such a way that no one even knows about it. And if you want to bring elements into your show that must be never spoken of or heard from again, take it out of the Trek universe and just make it a new series altogether. Ah! But without the Star Trek name, you can't con people into paying for your stupid subscription service.
Oh that's simple. The final choise will be between federation principles and having functional spore drive. The protagonist will choose to exterminate the species, breaking the network for thousands of years if not forever, thus neatly removing the tech and letting the protagonist 'make a moral stand' at the same time. It's... sadly predictable.
Then again, they can always erase the entire series in the final episode with a jump back in time, revealing that the timeline we all know actually originated as an alternate universe branched off from STD.
Thinkb4utype Maybe it could even end with a character from a beloved show from yesteryear saying "Computer, end program," thus raising the possibility that none of this ever happened.
Nice try troll. But, Star Trek Voyager was not STV, Star Trek Enterprise was not STE. Why would Star Trek Discovery be STD? (other than lame attempts to troll). The right acronyms are TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and DSC.
Clearly the instant teleportation is accomplished by dipping into Bohm's 11th dimention and the concept of the Multi Verses having an actual universal center. Everything on the outside of the sphere (i.e., our Universe) is just an outgrowth of what is at the center. Moving from point A - B instantly or changing or even vanishing something can be done by changing things at the center. Woe to the drive manipulator who makes the wrong adjustments. Instead of visiting an ocean world, you may fill your ship with molten lava from that world, etc. Getting the hang of the adjustments is crucial. Movement is trivial. Why not smooth out the center, so that Klingons just vanish?
I think that fans come up with much-much interesting and close-to-scientific ideas, then writers nowadays. So, what they though up for Discovery is HIGHLY LIKELY to be simple and maybe even stupid.
More interesting would be a "first, unmarked contact with the Fluidic Space", meaning Species 8472, something feasible as "above top secret" (like the Mirror Universe, btw), which would explain why were they only found on Voyager. And there is the Space Medusas from TNG 101&102 (Farpoint), but that would be less myconids and more sea-jelly...
"It surrounds us, it penetrates us, it binds the galaxy together."
-Gandalf
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Lord of the rings states "and in the darkness binds them"
You know what I love about the spore drive? Because the nature of how the mycillial network functions would seemingly help to explain how telepathy functions across all of star trek. If a race like the betazoids or Vulcans have an evolutionary tap into the network then that is how they can have those abilities. Counsellor troi is finally explained.
"The Spice must flow"
"The Spore must go"
Imagine, if these spores are the part? excretion? of the tiniest, what's it's Shai hulud form? And what s it thinking about the consumption of its spores? Would it burn the space that's practically it's? Protect its sands?
Discovery should have been a sequel. A dark post Dominion setting would've suited the narrative that it is trying to strive for.
you can be so wrong... because this is possibly also an alternative universe.
That would have been awesome!
johnnyxp64. Trek os already full of alternate timelines and universes. I say that any given episode or movie could well take place in its own discrete timeline. That would certainly accomodate the many large and small plot holes and contradictions.
We even see this in some episodes, in Yesteryear from TAS the episode actually starts in an alternate timeline where Spock is not alive the the first officer of the ship is an Andorian, Spock attempts to restore his own timeline (presumably the one we know) but ultimately he doesnt. Yep, the episode ends with a 3rd time line established where Spock does live and serves aboard the Enterprise but its not the same timeline he remembers. So.... did the following episodes continue along the new timeline or did it return to the original leaving the new timeline to continue on unseen?
Would make more sense since that they're researching a new drive system too.
@Goff0103 A goofy but welcomed idea :)!
I absolutely love how basically every story has already been told and new ideas are so hard to come by that writers are forced to get creative. It works for me!
The writers have obviuosly been experimenting with their own mushrooms.
That was a good one. It must have been the first to benefit from psilocybin therapy yay California
bit harsh I mean you can come up with a really good idea for a drive just studying the motion of a nice cup of tea...
"They are the building blocks of energy across the universe." So, the Star Trek equivalent of midichlorians, then.
So are farts.
PLEASE, For the love of The MULTIVERSE. DO. NOT. EVER. COMPARE Star Trek (c) to Star Wars (tm) again. Also ST is better due to their *mainly with a few acceptions* staying scientific. And Star wars is explained by "some arbitrary amount of time in the distant past, in a galaxy we never discovered that is probably quintillions of lightyears away, these events occurred, and somehow we know about them"
Physics student here. Your explanation of Q entanglement was spot on, and you even managed to dodge the quantum teleportation trap. In real life quantum teleportation is impossible for the reason you give, the results are always random, even if they are opposite they're still random. BUUT if you did have a ftl network of say, spores, they could transmit your quantum data through the network and entangle you so then you are able to teleport without breaking causality. This pushes the burden scify onto the existence of the spore network itself, the spore drive would perfectly possible, if the network existed.
Wow, they named the spore expert after a real spore expert. Paul Edward Stamets (born July 17, 1955) is an American mycologist, author and advocate of bioremediation
Stamets is hands down the best character on Disco. He's the only one with an ark, the only one learning something, his relationship is very believable and you feel for him when Hugh (spoilers) dies. Stamets is literally the only good thing about this show. Everything else is utter garbage.
@@florianklar6100 and Hugh is resurrected l
Once I traveled the worlds after I ATE some spores at Margots birthday party
That's very... midichlorian.
No it's Halo's Neural Physics crossed with Ender's Game verse's Philotic Particles.
so its a great idea just poorly explained in its first appearance got it
Last I checked, philotic particles were not suggested to be biological and the basis for panspermia.
What Philotes do is prove the existence of the soul and tie all matter in the universe together.
They definitely came up with this idea while on shrooms.
It's a really neat idea....except this is going nowhere, since Discovery is a prequel, and there is no such thing as spore drive in the future.
Outlandish ideas like this would be rad in a post-Nemesis series.
Cool video though. When I watched the episode I thought of it like a 'intergalactic subway' system made of fungi. And the spores are what enable one to travel in this network.
Yeah it bugs the crap outta me that basically nothing that will happen will have any dramatic effect on history or will happen in alternate timelines or universes etc
Guarantee we get a mirror universe episode out of this.
It's a plot with new propulsion. It's going somewhere.
I'm not quite sure where they are going with this. Either the tech ultimately is not practical or remains so classified that we don't see it in other Treks.
Maybe “spore drive” will be explored in the post-DS Trekverse ?
Maybe its considered too dangerous in the future and is banned?
The saucer section rotates. Mushroom spores transport the ship across the galaxy. Now, I want PIZZA!
"They are the building blocks of energy across the universe"... aha, only that matter cannot be building blocks of energy as matter is condensed energy and energy existed before matter ever did. Spores being building blocks of energy is simply a stupid concept - someone clearly did not understand what energy is.
it's Halo's Neural Physics crossed with Ender's Game verse's Philotic Particles.
No. Ender's philotic strings (*not* particles), based loosely on string theory, made a *lot* more sense.
"neural physics" is an empty idiotic phrase intended to fool the uneducated (no scientist would ever have anything to do with it).
physics is physics.
Neural Physics is a way to put an modern spin on an old idea, the universe being animate.
Its stupid indeed. Like someone was given the job of coming up with something new then watched farscape on acid whilst reading IFL science.
@@Youcancallmeishmaell Neural Physics is probably Precursor's red herring anyway--a nonsense garble of concepts designed to confuse the Forerunners and the Humans and make them chase after unprovable ideas and incalculable equations so they could maintain supremacy over the races, their secrets safe within their inner circle. If Neural Physics is real thing, the Forerunner would've discovered its true nature long ago; or at least took a glimpse.
So. The fungus is not only a transporter but also the force. Well. Something is going to go horribly wrong with it since it is never mentioned in TOS and on.
thing is IF the rumours are true and this is a Section 31 ship then this would be classified information and we know Section 31 doesn't share it's secrets
transwarp also never gets mentioned again
actually it does... There is a whole episode about it in VOY.
that's the borg transwarp with there conduit system, isn't it
the federation transwarp of the excelsior just vanishes
the Transwarp drive on NX-2000 did fail. but while doing to it lead to more advanced warp drive tech later used in ships like Galaxy Class and further models..
Everything is way more advanced as we see in TNG era series, but still happens before TOS in the prime timeline.
I just cannot get into this show. It just does not feel like Star Trek to me. Even Orville feels more like Star Trek...
jjledzep spore drive is obviously a failed tech. It has no bearing on the trek tech timeline.
I wasn't talking about Spore drive...
I was talking about all tech and the feel of the show.
jjledzep like what
Look at the show man...
Regarding the willingness to deal with internal and external conflicts while pushing the boundaries of the known Discovery very much feels like Star Trek. TOS though. And while i somewhat like Orville for its nostalgia approach I also find the Berman-Era plot recycling very very boring.
You would think it is a good idea, you know, kinda based on 'real world' quantum physics and stuff. But really, its just really fucking dumb. Coming from a long time Trek fan that has no interest in the Discovery bullshit.
midichlorian spore create the Force field that cover the entire galaxy
you can go every where you want on galaxy highway. there is no more final frontier,where no one has gone before. Star Trek - once upon a time, in the galaxy far far away ...
The joke has probably been made before, but they are quite literally 'Trippin on 'Shrooms', aren't they? ^_^
Peter Francis. Thats how trek started didnt it? TOS and the early movies had the enterprise traversing the entire galaxy at the speed of plot, it wasnt until TNG that they established the quadrants and a rough scale of travel. So the question isnt what happened to this drive between DSC and TOS, the question is what happened between TOS and TNG that meant casual trips from the center to beyond the edge of the galaxy were no longer possible?
DrewLSsix what you are missing is that TOS had a 5 year mission to explore but they are limited by how far the can go if they ever want to come back in 5 years. Thus they couldn't have gone beyond the immediate vicinity of federation space. Put another way i could spend 5 years exploring all the states surrounding MD and left with plenty to explore in those states. No need to go exploring California for example.
If this the spore drive is to be melded into the original canon then it could be explained that the fungi was killed (on purpose or by mistake) in one area, but because it was quantum entangled with the rest of the network, the fungi all eventually/immediately died and they are now left with normal warp drive.
I walked through a door to a new dimension, and you can too if you do enough midichlorians.
Is this how the "Q" travel I wonder? I hope this all pans out, it would be sad if the Star Trek franchise loses out to a Seth McFarlane comedy spoof. As of right now I have enjoyed the Oroville more than the Discovery.
The Orville is not a spoof.
@@timecircuits88 Prove it.
@@BlindDevilNeko why?
i heard a rumor that some star trek actors actually act on Oroville
It's bullshit. There. I explained it.
nice dude
So, this is the "new way to fly" in STD? (I'm not watching Discovery since I'm not paying for another streaming service) *this* is what they're doing? Fucking seriously?! Jesus. :facepalm; rubs brow: Is just sticking with regular warp drive that much of a hurdle? We have to come up with some "spore" the inhabits the entire universe the ship can travel along using quantum entanglement to instantly jump between two points? The ship has to have these cannisters and a whole room dedicated to growing spores?
What the hell, man?!
yes how dare they explore new concepts and innovate (the entire premise of the franchise) they should just stick with the same cookie cutter formula they have milked for 50 years im sure that will be a huge success (looks over at enterprise) oh wait no THATS WHAT KILLED THE FRANCHISE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!
When it's a fucking prequel that takes place ten years before the Original Series...uh..yeah. Stick with Warp drive instead of shitting on decades of established Trek continuity with some nonsense fairy dust drive that has never been mentioned ever.
Exile Studios Exploring new concepts is great. But the fucking mushroom engines is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of in science fiction. It's seriously mentally deficient.
12 years the whole franchise imploded because of the inabilty of B & B to try something new from time to time. Why are so many fans butt hurt over a soft reboot which is exploring the frontier of its own franchise. I am glad, they finally stopped threating Trek like a religion and started doing sci fi again!
and travelling at FTL speeds in a soap bubble while a chunk of rose quartz is regulating a matter/antimatter reactior makes more sense to you? *lol*
Spore drive. :-D It sounds ridiculous, looks ridiculous and it is ridiculous. :-D
Ondřej Matějka You sound ridiculous.
It is also quite deadly. Fungi spores settling on planets, growing networks and new spores, which then teleport off into outer space, mostly into the void between stars.
If a thing like this starshroom existed, it likely would have killed all life in the universe millions of years ago by depleting all available biospheres.
Rosalina CV your comment is ridiculous.
@@rosalinacv1996 Great comeback.
never tried a mushroom trip before...sounds like it's time to order Dominoes
I propose the Taco Bell Drive. It utilizes the same technology Taco Bell does in their burritos to evacuate your bowels to propel you across the universe.
Oh please Q....come and wipe out everything in STD.
Explanations in Sf movies are honestly... 😅🤣😂😆
The fungi must flow.
OMG, I haven't seen any of the discovery episodes but even just knowing this spore drive thing I know it is ruining Star Trek canon.
This works not sorry.
For a quantumentanglement Transportation (like this seems to be) you need the same ammount of (same entangled) particles on start and goal location. And this is never the case with this random spread mushroomspores...
And the Crystals in the normal warpcore are no "mambojambo" like that. They have a technical reason. In RL Particleaccelerators they use too Lithiumtargets for several experiments. her eit is the same. The Dilithium Crystal works as "Target" for the Matter Antimatter Reaction.
Actually the dilithium crystals are mixing valves for the hydrogen and anti-hydrogen.
Also: If spore drive was that great... Why does nobody in the future use it?
The end of Season 2 explained it
Sigh.... NO!NO!NO!
You are missing the KEY INGREDIENT here.
The Rhizome.
The "Spores" are a form of Fungus, meaning that it, like ALL Funguses, grows in a networked system called a "Rhizome."
A fungus growing in space would LIKELY extend into "Subspace," in a fictional Universe where such a thing "Existed" (As it doesn't in ours, being just a mathematical abstraction of space-time), making it possible to gather information about the "State" of the universe anywhere ON that Rhizome, as happens in Terrestrial Fungi.
The Quantum Voodoo is just window-dressing to throw people off of the actual connections for how Biology can extend to Physics.
Which it freaking DOES ANYWAY, since EVERYTHING is Physics.
The better story in Discovery is Section 31, "The Albino" and why he killed Kang, Kor, and Kolath's firstborn, and the rest of the Klingon History.... The "Spore Drive" is just window dressing, like the Transporter.
How much do you want to bet that the Shinzhou becomes the first D7 Battlecruiser?
So we have Klingons with cloaking technology before their alliance with the Romulans, holographic communication before DS9, and now a drive system which could have bought Janeway and Voyager home in the blink of an eye along with giving the Federation a big advantage during the Dominion War and making the Traveler and Q’s movement through the Galaxy seem like child’s play for any Starfleet vessel. This actually makes the last 3 Star Trek movies look brilliant by comparison. At least they had an alternate time line to explain their poor decision making. This is utterly garbage. I think whoever came up with these magic star drive mushrooms were probably ingesting some mushrooms at the time. Luckily they were not doing crack or we would have cocaine powered photon torpedoes.
Keith Perkins you are so right. When I posted a comment a while ago I posted that discovery has too much technology for it being a prequel to tos. To were someone replied and said that it wasn’t the sixties any more. My answers was wtf.
Keith Perkins you are so right. When I posted a comment a while ago I posted that discovery has too much technology for it being a prequel to tos. To were someone replied and said that it wasn’t the sixties any more. My answer was wtf.
Yeah I've heard there's a bunch of inconsistencies on the show as far as relating to other trek. Not the first time Archer time travels. the encounter alien species that they're not supposed to meet until later shows. Not to mention the romulan cloaking device or the cloaked minefield. Where no one has gone before TNG episode. the traveler in an engineering accident causes the Enterprise to jump I don't even know how many galaxies away were thought has a magic power to become real. on the return trip getting back to the milky way galaxy would be hard enough let alone hitting the alpha quadrant. But they did. Star trek vthey go from the Earth all the way to the center of the Galaxy and back in a 2-hour movie took Voyager 7 years. Another oops of Star trek v is the Klingon shooting at I think it was pioneer space probewhere modern science tells us it'll take at least 40,000 years to get out of the gravity pull of the sun and into interstellar space.
It's all explained though.
1) Klingon's cloaking came from only one ancient ship, and then shared to other ships by Kol. Subsequently, Discovery cracked the cloaking with those 157 jumps, rendering the cloaking outdated.
2) We even have holographic communications today in the form of XR glasses. To think that they won't have iPads in 200 years is just silly.
3) The only person who can navigate with the Spore Drive is Paul Stamets, and the whole time from Season 1 to 2 he was either in coma, in another universe, or 950 years into the future. Also, it's been mentioned that he only achieved so by genetic modification of himself, which was banned by Federation. Disclosing it would bring both he and Dr. Culber into serious trouble. They never had the chance to disclose that, so what's left when Discovery was gone, from the perspective of the Federation, is just an irreplicable theory that resulted in two horrifically destroyed ships.
As to why has nobody made the Spore Drive again for another 150 years? Just think about how humanity today still had not figured out Antikythera Mechanism, Roman Cement, Greek Fire, etc. They were lost due to secrecy and they all required understanding of multiple disciplines. Suppose Paul Stamets was a rare person who took interest in both physics and mycology, given all the red tape on top of it after the fall of Section 31, the Spore Drive would unlikely be reinvented any time soon. When the Warp Drive works perfectly fine at Warp 9.6, why bother?
I loved the concept of faster then light travel in this anime i saw years ago.
Here they sort of did not travel but somehow used the fact that there are an infinite realities.
Not everything is possible BUT it was very much possible their counterparts in another reality would be at that location they wanted to be. and that their counterparts wanted to be at their location.
what then actually happened is their ships swapped realities and consciousnesses got swapped trough entanglement (even though entanglement litteraly is just about spin...) but this was identical particles swapping reality so yeah they can add their own mechanics to how that happens..
result they both just moved light years in a moment without actually moving.
i loved that concept.
Forget the spores, what about that SPINNING SAUCER SECTION???? This video explained NOTHING about it!!!
I looked up one idea: "And whammo, the ship and its spinning saucer sections are at Corvan II. That’s right, the gaps in the ship’s saucer spin around and get rid of excess energy when the ship goes to Ludicrous Speed."
Actually we WERE told how the warp-drive worked in TOS: the matter and anti-matter plasma were combined in a magnetic bottle according to a specific intermix-formula, creating the space-warp according to the Cochrane premise that converts strong nuclear forces to gravitational, according to the "trans-stator" principle-- which is the basis of all federation technology.
It just isn't explained all at once, but hints are dropped throughout the series.
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When plain old warp drive just isn't good enough!
OK, why not find a way to incorporate dark matter in this new/old warp drive. Since it's believed that dark matter is what keeps galaxies together (surrounds us, binds us, flows through us), you could use the same premise as spore drive, but use particles of dark matter to make the quantum jump? Dark matter drive, or quantum drive sounds better than spore drive imo =D
Midiclorians
Sounds so 🐮💩, yet another reason to dismiss this show - crap ideas, crap acting, crap characters - it's tragic to see Star Trek ruined like this
SuperSagittaria if you think this idea sounds bad then you clearly have never actually watched star trek
brooklyn560 it means I've understood Star Trek, you veruul 🙄
SuperSagittaria . Did you though? Pretty closed minded for a person who "understood" Star Trek.
You'd also have to weigh in on how all the TOS movies, TNG movies and show, Deep Space Nine , Voyager, Enterprise, Reboot films ruined Star Trek. Don't forget episodes in the TOS that don't make sense or fit in with other episodes.
I am not saying that this series is good or bad, but blanket statement like the one you made is why the rest of us can't have nice things.
The concept of Quantum Entanglement has actually been explored in other medias, specifically the Mass Effect serries to allow instant communication. Though nothing too large as the beam cannon handle that much data of mass, making it too unstable and collapse. Maybe that is how it will end, the Spore Drive turn out to be too unstable and kills too much and Vermeer have to make the hard choice with her Captain.
raw666 Quantum entanglement was portrayed as shittily in Mass Effect as it is here. People need to stop thinking of entanglement as some sort of magical telekinesis system, that's just not how it works. You can't make things appear out of thin air through entanglement and you can't transmit information with it either. Mass effect are hands down my favorite games of all time but they have a lot of nonsense science in them.
Mass Effect Everyone? Quantum linked Communicators?
Remember those gates in Star Trek TNG? Where they could walk through them and be instantly anywhere else? Could be similar tech.
it doesn't sound any crazier that any other techno babble in sci-fi
Gravity warping space-time is a real thing. Matter/antimatter annihilation is a real thing. Mushroom spore networks communicating across the voids of interdimensional spaces is not a real thing. The theory that they even communicate across the planet was proven to be false. This concept is not only fantasy, it is fantasy that has been proven false in reality.
What is with Alex Kurtzman constantly trying to invalidate the existence of starships in Star Trek? It may make sense to explore alternative methods of transport, but all this does is leave gaping plot holes as to why these alternative methods of travel aren't used in the "future" of the timeline. I mean, obviously this is probably going to end in an Event Horizon-esque catastrophe, and the project will be abandoned, but EVERY bit of Star Trek that Kurtzman has gotten his grubby hands on has some sort of teleportation covering long distances faster than a starship.
Forget about them not being USED, there's valid reasons why that may be the case, but what defies all logic is why they are not even KNOWN.
true. youd imagine janeway at least CONSIDERING the spore drive to get home quickly (or somebody asking and she just shutting them down). i mean... seriously, after more then 200 years this HAS to have turned declassfied some way or another.
More, it would never been under wraps completely - the technical application certainly would be classified, but the existence as such and the "space tardigrades" would be such revolutionary knowledge that no one is going to waive whatever equivalent to the Nobel prize they have just because someone says "You're not allowed to talk about this". In fact, by the time of the Discovery episodes, we could expect that there is already some degree of knowledge outside of Starfleet, quite simply because it's nigh unthinkable that Starfleet would be able to do all the necessary research, including basic research issues necessary to lay the foundations of any technical exploitation, itself.
KrisHatesWorld You were half right. They decided not to use it and keep it under wraps because the war with the Klingons ends and it needs a host to work. It doesn’t really make sense to keeps using it anymore.
Daniel Christian Rohrer Peters even if Janeway did not know about it because it was classified above her clearance there are two ways she would have found out about it later series. 1) Seven of nine as a borg surely would have known about it, 2) Forget all the waste of the Pathfinder project to get Voyager home Starfleet just give her clearance to look at the files and send them to her. It is what it is a terrible violation of cannon by the smucks that write STD.
You missed that they mentioning going a certain distance in a certain time. Your idea of some kind of quantum teleporter is nice, but would be instantaneous and not be bound by distance: If you have your entangled target at some point in space, and press "engage", you are instantly transported. No uptick (except if you need to load capacitators or something), and no travel time. BUT: You would have to send your target designator by normal means, so you are either confined by lightspeed or your current warp-tech. Either way, they mentioned they could only go a few hundred kilometers and mentioned that their sister ship went a few lightyears in a few minutes or so. So this is a normal "warp"-engine, except that it hase no engine, no energy requirements (after all, all you need is to sprinkle someone with the spores and they travel, while also not travelling (she can hear Lorca talking) and ... yeah. This whole idea is a complete clusterfuck like the rest of this shitty series, and if somebody actually thought this through instead of thinking "HEY; SPACE SPORES ARE TOTALLY COOOOOL; THE KIDS WILL LOVE IT!", the would have ditched it to replace it with something better - like they should have done with the rest of the series.
Sounds like a homage/plot rip from ROBOTECH. Where they use PROTOCULTURE for space folding/jumps. Now since STD is advertised as a prime time line prequel to OST perhaps this plot device is being used to explain all the Earth like planets/cultures from OST via a viral contamination of the cultures/planets similar to a STD infection. As for why Spore drive isn't mentioned ever again in OST or the rest of the future of prime time line the apex of STD could end in with STD infecting the spore network and thus killing it from the inside out and nullifying itself from the prime line in the process.
i don think anyone on the writing staff have even heard of robo tech
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Robotech's protoculture technology is itself ripped off from Frank Herbert's seminal work, Dune. :D
This series with all it's advance tech could have been a lot better after TNG,DS9 & Voyager in the future either 25th or 30th Century with this Spore Drive. looks similar to Transwarp Drive & other faster than light travel in the shows. but they had to ruin it making it a prequel to the JJVerse Star Trek movies. since this show with everything they keep screaming that is set 10 years before the original series. it's BS. they better admit this is a remake & a continuation of Enterprise.
spice
The spice extends life. The spice extends consciousness. The spice is vital to space travel, travel without moving. And conveniently transmits information and a warp travel network.
After reading several comments regarding this, I think you guys are missing the fact that the biotech that makes this propulsion possible doesn't have to be ever exposed to the other original series because it is above top secret, by a shadow federation compartmentalized section 31 type agency of the federation to allow exclusive access to the tech that TOS and TNG would never receive.
This could explain how the Iconian gateway technology work, if they want to revisit this concept in future series.
Scrolled down just to see if anyone else thought of Iconian tech. Surprised no videos have touched on it.
No this is not how it works this is just crap trying to the medclorians bs like star wars did
Tea Jay can you elaborate on how the gateway work then? You're just leaving as much question as the spore concept by saying it is crap.
ArchOfWinter the iconian where from alternate dimention their gateways work on science that way way way beyond anything the federation could even try to understand, that is in Canon, if the federation can understand this bs fantasy drive then either ot is another shot at destroying canon fans love or they are just too stupid to do their research
There is no mention of alternate dimension on Memory Alpha beside as a joke told by Paris. Nothing in any established canon explains how the Iconian gateway work. It is a mystery. All I am saying is, this can be used as an explanation in future settings further down the timeline beyond the TNG movies if they want to explore the Iconian more. I never said the Federation in the setting of Discover knows about the gateway or even the Iconian. I'm just saying this can be the foundation principle of the gateway. The Federation in this show will abandon this tech since we know this tech never gets mentioned again in later eras. It won't destroy canon.
Look at the steam engine in the real world for comparison. Ancient Greeks has an invention that uses steam power for an entertainment device and never developed it for anything else. This doesn't mean they know how the complex steam engine of the 19th century works or that it exist, it just mean they happened to dabbled into the same fundamental scientific principle as a more advance civilization would eventually develop. Just to clarify, the Ancient Greeks in this analogy is the Federation, and the 19th century industrial nations are the Iconian.
A network of corridors running throughout the galaxy? Sounds like Star Wars hyperspace lanes.
Best explanation : It is a poorly conceived plot device that will remain vague and stupid.
While warp was never explained, it also never was the main McGuffin.
STD is a train wreck.
Diggnuts Wait, wasn’t that most everything more powerful than humans in the rest of Star Trek?
Diggnuts it’s dis, not std. you don’t say stds9, sttng or stent either.
ST:D is an allegory for "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland". Michael is Alice, Cp. Lorca is the Mad Hatter, Philippa Georgiou is the White Queen, Saru is the blue Caterpillar, the Cheshire Cat is a Tardigrade (a microscopic resilient creature of 0.5mm long in real life but of 6 feet - like a Lion - in the show...this animal was confirmed in an interview by Jason Isaacs, you can see that his character calls it "Kitty-Kitty" in episode 3), and the White Rabbit is USS Discovery (the crew tries to tap into the "mycelial network" of space, meaning that maybe the ship it shrinks and comes back to normal dimensions at the exit). Another interesting fact about USS Discovery: the saucer's rigs are slowly couter-rotating! You can see this on the consoles-screens in two scenes from episode 3, the one in which Michael gives back the codes to Lt. Stamets, and the one with Cp. Lorca explaining her "a new way to fly" (3:21 moment in this clip). Basically the outer saucer ring rotates counterclockwise while the inner ring rotates clockwise.
So spores are the reason for STD. I'd buy more into a worm drive, this is utterly nonsensical and baseless. At least a warp drive is theoretically possible, though you'd need about as much energy as a sun.
Actually for an Alcubierre drive (the theoretical real world version of the Warp Drive) to move a starship it would need more energy and negative mass than is currently available in the entire observable universe. Virtually all of Star Treks technology from Warp drive to transporters, replicators, holograms, energy weapons and time travel are almost always portrayed in completely unrealistic ways and in complete defiance of physics as it was understood at the time of the stories conception. The Spore drive is very likely equally impossible but I don't hear you complaining about that for any of the original series.
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The latest theories on a warp drive show a lot less energy than once imagined. However, it's at least theoretical .. this spore drive is absurd frankly silly. Regarding time traveling it certainly isn't going to come from snapping around some sun. Going forward in time would be easier than warp speed. Going backwards I seriously doubt will ever happen.
Agreed but most of Star Treks canon concepts (as is the majority of fiction and fantasy in general) are no more far-fetched and silly than the Spore drive already, they have just been hallowed by time and lots of story lines. Applied Quantum science in the real world is already pretty strange and that is apparent reality. I am afraid that using a term like far-fetched is very poor choices of words when applied to any fiction.
I freely admit that i cannot explain Quantum entanglement as well as EC Henry does here and for all i know it could be dead wrong too, but it is just as out there as Star Treks standard tech, so for now I am enjoying the fact they have brought in another level of futuristic science into Star Trek rather than retread old paths. I guarantee that if the developers had done that there would have been just as many complaints that they were not being original.
Valen123456
Quantum entanglement explains itself easily if you believe in the Holographic Universe Principle. However, if true then none of us are alive as we define alive. So if we're a simulation then anything is possible .. hack the mainframe.
Possible proof journals.aps.org/prl/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevLett.118.041301
+Valen123456
"Agreed but most of Star Treks canon concepts (as is the majority of fiction and fantasy in general) are no more far-fetched and silly than the Spore drive already"
Sorry, but that's nonsense. Focusing on the quantum entanglement bit only neglects the "biology as physics" bit, which is nothing but circular reasoning.
"I freely admit that i cannot explain Quantum entanglement as well as EC Henry does here and for all i know it could be dead wrong too, but it is just as out there as Star Treks standard tech, so for now I am enjoying the fact they have brought in another level of futuristic science into Star Trek rather than retread old paths."
By that logic, midichlorians are the greatest thing in scifi and any concept a scifi writer introduces is by definition "futuristic science".
The fact that an Alcubierre drive by current understanding requires impractical amounts of energy and has impractical side effects is one of practicality that may well change as technology is refined. It does not suffer from a bout of circular reasoning as does "biology as physics"
Slipstream, from Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda, allows a ship to travel a web of interconnected filiments across the galaxies. Navagation is more dependent on human or biological pilots because their brain automatically chooses the correct course by gore of will where as a computer whould have to analize all the options avalible. Simiular to the observer effect in your analysis of string theoru, where the act of measuring changes the outcome
This will be the "midiclorians" of Star Trek... ¬¬
Carlos Gutiérrez that makes no sense
why?
The next step is plasma-swords.
No it's Halo's Neural Physics crossed with Ender's Game verse's Philotic Particles.
Carlos Gutiérrez Exactly my first thought after I've watched the episode.
If you're really interested in more information about the spore drive, you can check out the video game they stole the idea, specifics, visuals and characters from. It's called Tardigrades.
Didn't TNG have a similar concept when they found an ancient civilization that had gateways to all over the galaxy and one even led to the bridge of NCC-1701D. They never really explained how that worked.
and then it was completely forgotten by the next episode thanks to treks signature reset button ah the reset button keep the status quo since 1967
hmmm... I have a theory about that.
The Iconians were the forerunners of the Spacing Guild.
Exile Studios except it did get brought up again in a DS9 episode. So it wasn't completely forgotten.
well play star trek online :D apart from the fighting which is of coarse very present in that game they do an surprisingly good job in taking all those lose ends we got in the shows and combining them to an really nice piece of story which fills many of the plotholes produced by the shows. The ancient civilization you are referring to are the Iconians and they are still around waiting in the shadows preparing to return. They also prevent others from using their tech. In STO that leads to an full scale war which is build up with many many references to tv episodes like that one where the crew of the Enterprise D is kidnapped into subspace and examined. Also the Krennim and their Time manipulating tech makes a return. They really manage to fill many plotholes left over by the tv shows. Since you play as an future captain you get to see most of these tings from the other perspective for example the timeship Capt. Archer finds and which just vanishes for Archer its an mystery never solved but in the future that story isn't at its end.
There is a stark difference between having one episode of nonsense in a show that constantly switches writers and basing the premise of your entire show on BS like spore drive.
I will start out saying I am one of them that says this is not Star Trek.On that note this is a neat concept. I wish they had just made this their own show and not tacked on Star Trek. Then there wouldn't be this rift or infighting. This concept could have stood on its own. And yes I know there would still be the people out there trying to say they were trying to be like Star Trek
This propulsion is even worse than Mr. Paris warp 10 episode...
You see Thought, motivation are equivalent to action. Time is a construct not relevant on the universal scale. All the paths that can be traversed are there because they already Have Been traversed . Time is only linnear from our point of view. So, thats how you have free will and predetermination all at the same time.
Luke, use the spores
They’re always with you
This would have sounded do much more better if they could have got Jim Parson to narrate this as Sheldon!
RIP Star Trek
I'm a software engineer and spore drive is similar to how a binary search works in database management
They did the "organic drive" thing in Voyager. Janeway chased down and effectively executed a fellow captain for it. But apparently it's ok for Discovery,....
Bruce Jenner Well Janeway killed the other guy because he was actively hurting the creatures he used to travel faster. In disco, they have this animal in the beginning but stamets kind of replaces it and if stamets is the one being tortured, that's totally fine.
Florian Klar . But they were pretty cool with torturing it at first.
@@robertt9342 Because it's Mirror Lorca who's cool with torturing it. Michael and then Dr. Culber were against it and Saru stopped her because he followed Lorca's orders.
Heard of the section 31 theory? The theory explains the dark tone, lack of information from the point of view Michael, and ncc-1031. It might make the show pretty good imo. I did not come up with the theory. Check out the full theory: ua-cam.com/video/KoW8Sq8-hr4/v-deo.html
Don't see how you can have a lifeform everywhere,spreadout evenly across the entire galaxy,which would be a requirement.
Its a visible spore right? So why don't you see them everywhere?
Quantum entanglement itself would be interesting but spores? Nah i just dont see it.Would be cool if they linked it to the Iconians but again,given how hit and miss they are with lore i dont see it.
Also it reeks of deus ex machina,can see this magic new type of movement being in it just to justify the little to non existant travel times,meaning more action pieces in an episode.
The mycelial network is a discreet Subspace domain. The spores exist in normal space and subspace.
ben b i get that but its still a visible spore in either event-why don't we see them everywhere?
Mr X we saw them because they were grown in engineering. But they also appear in the subspace mycelial network. They were using the reaction cube chamber as a gateway to access it.
They could just call them "midichlorians", oh no wait... wrong franchise! (or maybe not?)
Saalk Z. Alar warpichlorians ^^
"If your telling me that this ship can skip across the galaxy on a highway made of mushrooms I kinda got to go on faith"
I can't really get into the idea of a 'warp drive' made of fungal spores. The writers of this should be sacked.
That would be silly, this is like a teleporter which uses spores.
There's something else very wrong about how it functions.
Well, it's called a "drive", but only superficially, in the same sense as "Jump Drive."
Did you say the ship in its original position is "destroyed"? This just confirms an old fear I've had: that when you teleport, you die and an oblivious copy of you takes your place in the other location. It would be funny to see the souls or ghosts of all these essentially different people (you and all of your copies) meet in the afterlife and discuss how stupid they were to have fallen for that. Some of these copies would have lived only for a few minutes, the short period of time between teleporting trips. The good thing? Well, at least your species and your civilization would thrive, just without you in it.
The cells in your body are not the same cells that you had years ago and they are arranged in slightly different ways. That organism that was you of years ago no longer exists.
Yep, except that I replaced those cells over a period of years, while if you replace all cells at once... you die.
How slowly can cells be replaced before it results in death of the original? If transport took ten minutes as cells were gradually pulled apart and reassembled and the organism at the destination survived, wouldn't it be similar to replacement over days, months, or years?
Your true body gets vaporized and your information pattern is used to reassemble a perfect copy in a new location. How the hell is it not dying?
Stu Bur All right. You take transport, while I'll gladly take the shuttle. When I get there I'll greet your copy.
Amazing that these 'Spores' are so important but apparently don't exist a hundred years later during TNG
Well, only 2 ships had an experimental spore drive, U.S.S. Discovery and the Glenn. Since the Glenn got destroyed and scuttled and Discovery went to the future, maybe they hadn't had the specs for later crossfield class ships .....
The really interesting thing to observe about entangled particles, is that even though we can't use that particular effect to transmit information, it proves that information can be transmitted faster than light, and it is not impossible for us to use some other effect to communicate instantly at any distance.
But it does NOT prove that as you are NOT sending information due to the randomness of the quantum state. Not saying sending information is NOT possible but as we understand physics right now it is NOT but again this proves NOTHING as information is NOT sent. It's like you literally heard what you wanted and not what was said.
Another See-BS idea that was pulled out of some VP's rear end with their little finger. If Discovery was to be a decade before TOS, then do the best one can within that pretext. Star Trek was about concepts and egalitarian ideals about humanity and other sentient lifeforms working together. There was plenty of material for this concept if Desilu made 7 different shows, one for every night of the week with 7 of the 12 Constitution Class Starships. Although discovery was watchable, it had about as little to do with Star Trek TOS as possible. The Fan Made films that CBS clamped down on were closer to the mark as to the spirit of the old series. At least CBS could have dispensed with lens flairs.
CBS wanted to be all things to all people (TOS era, the reboot movies) to attempt to draw the "young movie crowd". Didn't anyone teach these geniuses that when one tries to please everybody, you end up pleasing nobody. The stuffed shirts executives went with the ubiquitous Hollywood mentality of secure a recently successful producer without experience in the genre. Don't give a sh!T about the hardcore fans who for more than two or more generations kept the franchise going and have been paying the bills and buying stuff for the last 52 years. When you put in technology special effects that looks overly futuristic for TNG's Enterprise, and hire writers that do not know or care what is or isn't canon (or for that matter dogma) about the TOS series, and then set it a decade before Kirk (Chris Pike, Number One, and Mr. Spock time) and expect this to fit or be accepted is a far stretch.
There's James Cawley's exact replication set of the Enterprise in Ticonderoga, NY. It could have been redressed as in the Cage pilot. The money saved on the set could have been used for special effects (space battles, ect) planet sets, even more extensive sets. At least it's not as dark (someone paid the electric bill) as Star Trek, The Movie Set lighting.
But NO! CBS VP's in their infinite, and unfathomable stupidity wanted to have their cake and eat it, too. Discovery could have been a top secret project, a ship on covert spy mission, an experimental lost for two decades, a ship from the future to prevent or restore space from the Kelvin time line, or many possibilities, but CBS wanted to jump-start their online pay channel with star trek's rank and file without paying attention to these fans. CBS expected the hardcore fans to be so filled with gratitude that would accept any fricking bone CBS would throw these fans way, but wanted the Kelvin Time Line fan's dollars, too, and pandered to the explosions, space battles, hand to hand combat which set is standard fair of every teen oriented action movie. I am surprised there wasn't a vampire, a werewolf, a zombie, and a supernatural entity in the crew thrown in to boot.
Any of the CBS brain trust, using the term loosely, had to do was read the comments of the fans on UA-cam, but here's a quarter buy a clue that wasn't how they were taught at an Ivy League MBA program, or by the CEO's and they think they "know better" what the fans want, or that they can ignore their consultants sage advice as it suits them.
At least we can be grateful that J J Abrams has no involvement and gone on to his next victim (regrettably Star Wars, being a fan of SW and ST is not mutually exclusive) not that I would wish that on my most hated movie series.
I will give high marks to the actors, especially Michelle Yeoh, for doing their best with what they had to work with.
RE "I am surprised there wasn't a vampire, a werewolf, a zombie, and a supernatural entity in the crew thrown in to boot."
oi, don't give them any more ideas ...
Apparently they never met a dumb idea they didn't like.
Fuck man have a cow why don’t ya.
"a ship from the future to prevent or restore space from the Kelvin time line" hell why would they ever want to do that? I mean CBS doesn't see anything wrong with the Kelvin timeline, why would they want to prevent/erase it? It's only your wish, there is really no reason, they would ever listen.
Take the other Roddenberry term...Its Slipstream
The hand wavy face-palm drive...
I think this is all too fancy. What happens is the people on the ship breathe in the magic mushrooms and hallucinate the whole trip. The ship never actually moves.
I love how people think they sound smart just by using the word “quantum.”
Actually, you explained it pretty well. And yes, I agree with a huge Fiction part. But who knows, teleport was also a fiction once, and today they are doing it. Extremely small particles, and extremely small distances. But it is happening.
Star Trek ... always inspiring :)
except it isnt matter that's actually teleported, but information, and altough the change if quantum states is instantaneosly, you need to mesure it and compare it to the "original', which is bound by the speed of light
Joseph Bryant That is not how the transporter works. The transporter doesn't create things out of thin air instantaneously, it uses data to faithfully recreate matter in a certain pattern from energy. The spore drive somehow completely misundrratnds what quantum entanglement is and then does some magic to do some thing that's never explained. People need to stop thinking of entanglement as telekinesis or teleportation. That is not how it works and you can't send information using entanglement. As the person above me said, this is a classic case of people listening to what Neill DeGrasse Tyson says off hand in some discovery channel documentary and then treating it like scientific fact. There should be a huge PSA during next year's superbowl making it clear that 1) Teleportation has not been achieved because it is impossible and violates the laws of physics. 2) Quantum entanglement is not magic, it can't transmit information or energy or matter and it can't break the laws of physics. 3) Spore Drive is unscientific mumbo jumbo.
Great idea, thanks for the video.
Just can't wait to see how this S31 secret research stuff continues
Ironically, a ton more of this is revealed in Episode 4. You were right on the money. :D
Almost everything you said about quantum entanglement is wrong.
Almost everything about you is as gay as a three dollar bill.
As gay as a nonexistent-thing? I can live with that.
PS: I'm still right.
TheMultiGunMan Hey, can we stop using gay as a synonym for insults, please?
Rob Walker No, we can't, gaylord.
No, fuck off.
Thanks for The description, sounds pretty logical to me, I actually like the show, even with the weird Klingons...
The problem is, quantum entanglement can not transport information faster than the speed of light. So actually it's possible for particles to be entangled on a long range scale, but if you send an information you wouldn't just hurt the No-Cloning-Theorem, you would also be bound to the Theory of General Relativity. Or to be more precise, you can't send information faster than light, without loosing the information itself. As a result all particles you send would be randomized. Or in more simple words for the 2009 Generation of Star Trek fans. You'd be screwed the moment you enter that shitty thing.
No there you are wrong. Quantumentangld Particles transfer their "Information" timeless (instant). Equalhow far away. This has been proved by experiments.
Quantum entanglement 'transports' information instantaneously, by definition. The limits of speed have nothing to do with the concept. Action and reaction are carried out simultaneously regardless of distance. 2:36
Nope. No information send via the entanglement can be transmittted faster than light. There were several experiments to superluminar tunneling and the EPR Paradox, which clearly stating, that superluminar transmitted information is mostly lost.
Even so Quantum Mechanics doesn't suspend any other physical law. Quantum Entanglement allows instantaneous changes of the particle states, without gathering information about the state of the particles. As you may know, to read out any information would lead to the collapse of a quantum system.
In any case, to send information need something to carry them (for example with a photon). But that carrier is bound to the limits of Theory of General Relaitivity. So it's impossible to travel faster than light, by using quantum entanglement.
Well aren't you entitled?
+Oliver Franke To be fair Star Trek like the majority of space sci-fi's has always been quite happy to make exceptions to relativity to allow superliminial communication and/or travel. Oh handwavey subspacey stuff or whatever.
There is a fictional part of a form A.I.
I'm only 100% confident that this concept is going to create nerd-rage in the comments section for the next 10 years...or until the next Star Trek show.
TurboCMinusMinus. And it begins...
There will be no more Trek after this show kills the franchise
Lemon Wedge Nerd...... RAAAAAGE!!!!!!
Any true Star Trek nerd knows that Brian Fuller, the showrunner, already used this storyline for an episode of Voyager he wrote
"Hey, let's come up with a really stupid way to immediately change Star Trek into Harry Potter/BSG for no fucking reason whatsoever. Sound good? Let's get to work!" I should not be able to accurately predict how the story will unfold due to obvious and simplistic plot devices and character setups this early in a series. When you add the Harry Potter drive and everything it entails, the show suddenly goes from mediocre with promise to batshit crazy stupid. Thank you CBS.
I really love your videos. Thanks for being so positive about Discovery when many other channels are not. : )
oh plenty of the good trek channels like trekspertiese are
thats because this channel is a star trek shill
Blox117 oh really, a shill? I’d love to hear your thoughtful and intelligent reasons why?
What was thoughtful about this video? It is talking about flipping FUNGUS. Star Trek is not Star Wars and it doesn't need the fukking force. Spore Drive??????? This is beyond idiocy. Discovery is the worst show I have seen in a long time... And I will not follow blindly because it has the Star Trek name. Learn to think for yourself.
+Jim L. No reason to blast the poster of the vid - he just offered a pretty "clean" theory of the spores in this new Trek - and no one is really asking you to like this Trek - but why do the "Trek faithful" feel the need to lash out at the prospect of Trek doing something new - We still have plenty of aspects of the old Star Trek lore in this series - but simply adding a new layer is sacrilege - we can accept the Q, sybok, non existing elements, like dilithium, and any other mystical non-"scientific" aspects of trek because they were wearing the uniforms you were used to - I just don't get the hate, from a group of people raised by the idea that we boldly go to strange new worlds, explore new life, etc and because this is a concept your having trouble wrapping your head around, it immediately draws the hate flag, bashing fellow fans of the franchise! Are protests and anti-protest at the cons next?
Great spore drive explanation
You can't understand it properly, they're just making shit up as they go along, man this is turning out to be the worst reboot ever
"...they're just making shit up as they go along..." You mean just like EVERY OTHER STAR TREK SERIES? P.S.: Fuck you dipshit.
TheMultiGunMan uh, most of the other Star Trek shows had consistency and forethought, this has neither
+max corrice Star Trek of old used to take a valid scientific hypothesis(tachyons) or theory(anti-matter) and "make shit up" around that. The Heisenberg Compensator on the transporters is one that really jumped out at me.
But since this is an Abramsverse "Trek" it's going to be closer to Star Wars type of space opera than scifi.
TheRedneckAtheist this is a prime timeline show, they don't have the rights to the kelvin timeline
Ah, slight confusion since they're using the shitty Klingon designs.
what's up 360p!
Could be that we're actually looking at what eventually gets called "TransWarp" in Star Trek 3. Which is then never addressed until Voyager's Borg Transwarp Conduits.
In fact, Borg transwarp conduits are a totally different technology than ST3-just-faster-than-warp-transwarp
making it entirely possible to be the series version of Discoverys spore drive.
Not really. Transwarp just is way faster than normal warp, not teleportation. We see transwarp screens in several of the movie area movies between TOS and TNG, so starfleet used the technology for a while. We don't really know why they dropped it, but it is not teleportation like this.
JasperVlogt when this show was first announced I vaguely recall an article claiming the ship would have an unorthodox propulsion system allowing it to transit not only space but time.
transwarp doesn't operate on the same principle as warp. Transwarp initiation involves the formation of a subspace conduit through which the vessel traverses between point A and point B. The reason it's not pursued is because point B couldn't be determined with any accuracy. The Borg use transwarp because they have a network of permanent and mapped transwarp conduits with known, static endpoints.
To clarify: normal warp drive uses subspace compression to form a wave, which the vessel then rides like a surfboard. The amplitude of the wave determines relative normal space velocity through subspace.
(several sources including the Trek Companion, the novel "Federation", the TNG Writer's Technical Manual, and the TOS Writer's Bible)
Spores are like dark matter.
The fact that there's a fuck-ton of Trek canon set after this date and not one syllable is ever breathed about this fungal nonsense means it goes nowhere. So this experiment is going to have to fail in such a way that permanently ends all interest in harnessing it.
Which is going to be one hell of a feat, since so many times we've seen Starfleet and others fretting over finding new methods of super-fast propulsion. Are we to believe that the _Voyager_ crew never once dared attempt to recreate this spore drive as a means of sparing themselves a 75-year odyssey, even after accepting the grotesque results of transwarp drive and quantum slipstream technology? That it held no appeal when the Federation was forced to recognize that conventional warp drive was destroying subspace? That Dukat and Weyoun were never tempted to use it as a way of bypassing the mined Bajoran Wormhole and summoning the Jem'Hadar from the Gamma Quadrant? That even the mighty Borg gave it a wide berth, when they were willing to risk apocalyptic experiments with the Omega Molecule and unleashing all the horrors of fluidic space upon us all?
So not only does it have to fail in such a way that no one ever uses it again, it has to fail in such a way that no one even knows about it. And if you want to bring elements into your show that must be never spoken of or heard from again, take it out of the Trek universe and just make it a new series altogether.
Ah! But without the Star Trek name, you can't con people into paying for your stupid subscription service.
Oh that's simple. The final choise will be between federation principles and having functional spore drive. The protagonist will choose to exterminate the species, breaking the network for thousands of years if not forever, thus neatly removing the tech and letting the protagonist 'make a moral stand' at the same time. It's... sadly predictable.
Then again, they can always erase the entire series in the final episode with a jump back in time, revealing that the timeline we all know actually originated as an alternate universe branched off from STD.
Thinkb4utype Maybe it could even end with a character from a beloved show from yesteryear saying "Computer, end program," thus raising the possibility that none of this ever happened.
It was all a fantasy holo-novel Jake Sisko was working on, ok then:)
That sounds suspiciously like the futuristic vision of having Bobby Ewing standing in the shower...
The new star trek show sucks
See? This is how you make a DSC video. Enough with the whining! MORE OF THIS PLEASE!!!
im just happy we are gonna get more consistent videos from him thanks to discovery
Agreed!!
Totally Agree Victor
I find it funny some people are still trying to push it as DSC. Come on good or bad it will be remembered as STD.
Nice try troll. But, Star Trek Voyager was not STV, Star Trek Enterprise was not STE. Why would Star Trek Discovery be STD? (other than lame attempts to troll). The right acronyms are TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT and DSC.
Clearly the instant teleportation is accomplished by dipping into Bohm's 11th dimention and the concept of the Multi Verses having an actual universal center. Everything on the outside of the sphere (i.e., our Universe) is just an outgrowth of what is at the center. Moving from point A - B instantly or changing or even vanishing something can be done by changing things at the center. Woe to the drive manipulator who makes the wrong adjustments. Instead of visiting an ocean world, you may fill your ship with molten lava from that world, etc. Getting the hang of the adjustments is crucial. Movement is trivial. Why not smooth out the center, so that Klingons just vanish?
I think that fans come up with much-much interesting and close-to-scientific ideas, then writers nowadays. So, what they though up for Discovery is HIGHLY LIKELY to be simple and maybe even stupid.
Freagarthach that's because all the trek writers went to the Orville
Freagarthach This is the new age of writing. Come up with some stupid idea, then check all the fan theories online and pick the best.
More interesting would be a "first, unmarked contact with the Fluidic Space", meaning Species 8472, something feasible as "above top secret" (like the Mirror Universe, btw), which would explain why were they only found on Voyager.
And there is the Space Medusas from TNG 101&102 (Farpoint), but that would be less myconids and more sea-jelly...