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Can Su-35 survive against the stealthy F-35?
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- Опубліковано 30 гру 2016
- What would happen if a flight of F-35s met an equal number of Su-35s? What if one side had to push forward and other side had to defend? How do two planes compare in general? Watch and find out!
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This guy knows what he's talking about for fuck's sake.. xD
No he doesn't.
Horney Char ASMR lol why
TimmacTR Hes left out some aspects but yes he is roughfly on target.
Read my response to him.
+Horney Char ASMR Well where the fuck is your response to him?
A note: second pair of F-35 wouldn’t ever need to turn on their radar, as the AMRAAM can now be fired to track targets via datalink
Can you elaborate a bit?
@@Gabriel333_ they fire the missile and someone else directs it
@@Cheese_Boi1986 Like an ATGM?
@@Gabriel333_ na most likely by another radar either the ground or awacs
@@Cheese_Boi1986 interesting technology
Fundamental flaw in the premises of this scenario is Su-35 cruising at Mach 1.8 with full combat load of missiles and bombs. That just isn't going to happen. Even Mach 1 cruise with that load would suck gas at too fast of a rate to provide for a viable combat radius.
The other fundamental flaw is the F-35 operating as an interceptor, which it isn't meant for. F-22 rules that roost, and you don't want to show the scenario for F-22 against any of the Su-27 variants.
Most likely it will be f35 intercepting and it probably has a better chance than a f15
@ANUSH SLAVEIKOV In the 4th decade of highly matured helmet-cued HOBS missiles, any time you see someone talking about dog fighting, you immediately know their level of familiarity with modern air combat.
The truth is Cy-35C is flying blind against 5th Gen systems, and they know it.
@ANUSH SLAVEIKOV I know most people don't have any familiarity with aerospace concepts, applied physics, and the environmental conditions that aircraft are normally subjected to, so I'll point out something you might not be aware of.
As you increase in altitude, the air temperature gets very cold. At only 3000m above sea level, the air is already -5˚ C. At 7000m, it's roughly -24˚ C.
11000m, it's -56.5˚C
Not only that, but the F-35 development program was subjected to the same Mil-Std protocols for arctic basing requirements, and is being stationed in Alaska as we speak, just like the F-22 has been for many years now.
The F-35's RAM is more robust and weather-resilient than the F-22s, and F-22s have been operating from arctic conditions all this time.
The truth is that any aircraft that is going to fly into the Geopotential of the tropopause needs to be able to operate in -56.5˚ C ambient air. This area is where the F-35 likes to be. Even in hot climates, once it gets into the higher altitude bands, it might as well be in the arctic because these are extremely low temperatures.
@ANUSH SLAVEIKOV UK and US also, with early lot F-35s that have since worked out that problem. There were delamination issues if they sustained the maximum Mach for certain periods of time.
That was relayed to the ODT&E people, who solved it and incorporated the fixes into later production samples. No need to make it personal if you didn't learn about this.
@RC213V please stop watching the propoganda
This didn't age well.
He honestly deserves more subscribers
You used to work for Sesame Street right?
Yep
Funny how everyone is so certain of their assessments of these aircraft when all they know about them is the inflated claims of the manufacturers. Salesmen love you guys.
The Ospreys delivered as required. Hillary would still be waiting to see what response would poll the best. I remember Benghazi.
And the fact that the real capabilities, at least for the F 35 are still secret, yet everyone talks in absolutes like they are a Lockheed engineer.
@@billsmith8605 yeah lol many of them exaggerated the f35
You guys think they spend trillions to bluff?
Also f-35 have a bigger advantage, they have DAS and that means detections from 800 miles away.
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Did you know that the f-35 could detect su-35 800 miles away? An/aa87 distributed aperture system. Look up f-35 das.
@@jordandally765 propaganda
Nope it’s true
@@jordandally765 of course it is true cuz trump said so
Iran vs Saudia arabia Please
Amin Alsous Saudi would be no where in the world map if Saudi vs Iran happens
littes be real saudia arabia can wipe iran with there air force
Not with the deployment of Russian S-3&400's in Iranian territory. Saudis do have the ground forces but air-power is out of the question.
Saudia Arabia cannot even defeat a group of sandal wearing donkey herders, imagine what would happen against Iran.
America will support Iran over Saudi Arabia soon
Is this the Russian Kermit the Frog?
His Russian cousin XDDD
Kermit's more worldly cousin.
In Russia, Kermit teaches war to the children
wasnt he austrian?
He from Croatia
Props for not jumping on the F-35 hate bandwagon. God is that tiring.
Interestingly realistic scenario here. None of that "The Su out dogfights the F-35 = It's a better aircraft." There's way more to both the equipment and the situations involved than that, as reflected here.
It was refreshing. The Lightning is going to be a brutal jet to go against. People above calling it a "bomber" and saying it can't dogfight are on the hate bandwagon. Likely they'll never get off it either.
Just discovered this channel; great stuff! I especially like the way Binkov uses realistic missile performance rather than a "lock on = a kill" approach. Too many people don't realise that when a missile is quoted as having a XXkm maximum range, that's from a front-aspect, at a non-manoeuvring target. And the thing about stealth is that you're only stealthy until you do something aggressive. It's great to have, but doesn't give you a magic sheild.
Once again, great content, my little Russian hand-puppet!
wow the comment section is really civilized.....
Yeah, Im actually surprised no ones arguing. *Yet*.
we will nuke you, middle east :D jk
I read the comment with an accent. lol
*Thats because Russians don't speak English*
Why does this scenario have air superiority fighters flying a strike mission and strike fighters flying an interception mission? Weird.
Indeed!
a better scenario would be the F-35 doing the strike mission, and the su-35 defending. both are multirole, but that doesnt mean they will be used for all roles most of the time. most likely, an f-35 will be used offensively anyway. it was designed primarily for offence not defence. also binkov didnt really take into account the fact that defending aircraft dont stay in one place. they actually move around across large areas, and in multiple large groups too. likewise, an attacking force would have to be large. a small group of strike aircraft wont do. usually youd use 2-3 times more aircraft when mounting an attack. also, youd need combined arms. just air power alone wont be enough. considering all this, the chances of a fight breaking out suddenly at the flanks is very likely. both sides might not even meet head on.
@@usaisthebestiockdownpoiice816 Well, but the point is to see how they would perform in a dogfight against each other. You could even argue that realistically they wouldn't even engage in combat because if a war ever is declared between Russia and NATO, the nukes would drop before their jet engines spool up.
@@therealmp40 the comment above makes a better dogfight scenario that is realistic.
@@usaisthebestiockdownpoiice816 That's in part 2. This is to assess both in offense and defense
Flat earth “theory” just got busted at 0:51
Binkov should be in charge of an allied American and Russian military
Binkov is retired. Nowadays he promotes world peace.
Binkov's Battlegrounds what conflicts was he involved in while active duty?
But what about when the aliens attack? We'll all need you then
All of them.
binkov, you should have a game made. like a type of Total War game or Hearts of Iron type game. i would buy it.
How can people dislike this. The video is amazing
Salty rossians
What?
You can't dislikes anymore, we live in a post dislikes world
@@familyacounttv6667 No, it's just hidden. You can use an extension to see dislikes.
about ranges: F-35's missiles (AIM-120D AMRAAM) have a range of 75+ cvt; that's at the far end of the range. However, it is unlikely that the SU-35 would detect the Lightnings on radar (or IR seasons) until the lightnings are within 20 to 40 miles, well within a very lethal envolope of the Lightnings. Furthermore, it is likely that the rear pair of lightnings would use the radar to track and illuminate the Flankers, and while the Flankers would think the threat is further away, (Let say, 60 to 80 nmi or even 100, or at the far end, 200 miles?) the missiles are coming from, let say, much less than 40 nmi). AIM-120s won't start illuminating with their own seekers until the terminal phase of the attach, so that may give Lightning a further edge if the SU-35s don't detect the launch of the AMRAAMs, but even if they do and considering the effectiveness of AMRAAMs, , I think it is Very unlikely the Flankers would ever fire first, and by the time they're aware of an enemy, the Lightning may have fired all their misses and be pulling back for the second pair to attack from a different location. Tactics like this have scored 15 to 1 kill rations for F-35 against non-stealth (But very capable, aggressor pilots at RED FLAG (who are some of the best pilots int the world)). The Kill ration for F-22 with similar tactics is even more impressive in simulated combat against non-stealthaircraft. . I think this scenario, video, while interesting, gives too much credit to the SU-35's ability to shoot first, and detect the Lightnings, and ignores how big of an advantage stealth and stealth tactics make in such a defensive scenario.
Yeah, I disagree that Lightnings would launch at the "edge" Maybe if lightnings used the older AMRAAMs with 50 nmi but the newer D variant they use would be far from the "extreme" range. I'm doubtful a single Lightnings would be lost in the defensive scenario for the lightnings., while I belie all SU-35s would get wipe before reaching the target.
The SU-35 radar sees targets with an RCS of 0.1-0.5 (this corresponds to F22 in different frontal projections) at a distance of about 250 kilometers. F35 probably has a higher RCS, so it will be visible further. The Su-35 has R37M missiles with a launch range of 300 kilometers and a speed of Mach 6. It can also transmit data to air defense systems.
F22 is visible at a distance of 100 kilometers in the infrared range for the SU-35. SU 35 has a radar with a viewing angle of 120 degrees (2 times more than that of US aircraft). Air defense sees stealth aircraft from the ground at a distance of 300-400 kilometers. The radio horizon at an altitude of 5 kilometers is 250 kilometers, air defense will see such an aircraft at this altitude and is capable of destroying
. US and NATO aircraft have no chance against Russia near the borders with Russia.
Great analysis! Really good job.
so 5th generation fighter have a bad day vs 4.5 generation fighter
just think what Pak Fa can do to F 35...
Amirul Farhan well what the pak-fa can or can't do is more or less unknown and unproven at this stage. They have only 8 prototypes at the moment. The pak Fa is Russia's first stealth aircraft. The f35 is the US' 5th. The US has a track record with its other stealth airframes and have made much more progress on the f35 than the Russians have on the pak fa.
Amirul Farhan- Су-35с свободно сделает F-35
+Amirul Farhan Pak Fa can punch hole through the sun, then make a black hole in it and throw all evil western f35 planes inside of it, as soon as it gets its engines finished.
Actually in last red flag f35 scored 20/1 against g16s. F35 pilots were newbs and f16 pilots were top guns.
Thank you admiral BINKOV!
Personally if Liverpool fc win the premiership title this season i`ll take them all on with a Sopwith camel , a cigar, a Union Jack flag and a Browning 9mm pistol.:)
Soviet Union vs United States before the collapse of the Soviet Union
dave newell
YES!!!!
dave newell Easy: the Warsaw Pact wins.
What time periodbm
Nope, the Warsaw pact would initially set the initiative by quickly moving thousands of tanks and troops through the fulda gap, but NATOs technological and numbers advantage would slow and eventually stop the invaion. NATO would still not have enough power for a Counterattack butt they would have enough to stop a Soviet advance. This would buy time for the US 2 send carrier battle groups to the Mediterranean this would allowed the allies to flank Russian forces and pave the way for a Counterattack.
Lol, you've been reading too much Tom Clancy kid. Pact forces would easily have made it across Germany and thus triggering NATO's nuclear strike policy.
Freely Liberal unless you have never seen any previous vids this guy made, no nuke and no allies is part of the deal
I'm impressed, this is surprisingly in depth analysis for a silly UA-cam frog video.
I think he's a lizard?
pepe the frong is now the new symbol for white supremacy
TheMeelickMafia Or so says the professional liars that make up the main stream media. Pepe is more the anti-establishment mascot now but since the establishment doesn't like that they're losing now, they just label their opposition "racist" or "basically Hitler (TM)" or my new favorite, "Everyone I don't like is a Russian hacker".
So yeah, so while some dumb ass white racists use it they they are such a tiny minority calling Pepe a white supremest symbol is just as laughable as saying Elmo is a symbol of radical Islamic extremism just because it was found out a handful of Isis members liked Elmo.
Fox Ace
You mean like TheRyujinLP? :P
Fox Ace
That means being silly/mischievous in my smiley vocabulary.
Hey Birkov I really like your videos. I want to get to know more info about geopolitical strategies. Do you have any books to suggest?
this video will help out in bms.433 cant wait to get home so I can fly my F16
the Netherlands VS Belgium plz
mef j Is not relationship good between two countries?
There will no Belgium-Netherlands war. But there can break a civil war in Belgium out between Flanders and Wallonia. The Netherlands will support Flanders and France Wallonia.
하성태 It is, but the guy has done a war between two currently friendly nations before with UK vs France
Netherlands would win. The beligum don't have heavy armors (Tanks, light tanks), and the Beligum navy only consists of two frigates and some minesweeper. The Dutch have more soldiers, more equipments (destroyers, tanks, light tanks, more IFVS, oil tanker planes, attack submarines, and amphibious assault ships, etc. All of which beligum lack.)
ARVIN At sea the Dutch will kick the Belgium in their ass. And on land too. But the Belgium air force is bigger than the Dutch air Force.
Do Croatia vs the rest of the Earth
That's not fair, Croatia would win easily.
Hahaha brate si poludio. Tu nema pitanja, nasa pobjeda je garantirana.
petrallen Fair fights are for pussies
Luka Gecko Volim pitat gluposti, iako znam da svijet nema sanse protiv nasa 2 aviona i 3 ispravna tenka.
The commissar would destroy us all.
fantastic - very agrresiv calculation
First off I'd like to say I like your video, it is well made and you clearly have researched everything thoroughly.
Having said that, I can't quite agree with your conclusions. To start with, it is impossible to believe that high value targets, in a tense geopolitical situation and with 4 F 35s flying CAP would not have continuous AWACS support. The AWACS aircraft that should be there would spot the incoming Sukhois many hundreds of miles away, and with the F35's data fusion capabilities they could maneuver into optimum firing position against the Sukhois and launch their AMRAAMs without ever even turning their own radars on, mid course guidance would be provided by AWACS. The only warning the Sukhois would have would be when the AMRAAM terminal seeker heads go active, and this would be mere seconds before impact. Avoiding missile impact would be miraculous in this case, and the Sukhois would almost certainly be wiped out.
If we were to accept your scenario and have the F35s unsupported by AWACS (unrealistic as that is), I also cannot accept the Sukhois having a firing solution on the F35s with their R77s more or less concurrent with the F35s getting firing solutions on the Sukhois.
The AMRAAM that will be used on the F35 is the AIM120D, which will without any doubt have a longer range than the R77. Additionally, your scenario envisages the Sukhois coming in at low level to avoid, or at least minimize, radar detection. This will work for the ground based radars (the Sukhois will be flying below the radar horizon) but won't work for the F35s' radar. A fully armed Sukhoi Su35 is not in the least bit stealthy, and the F35 will have no problem detecting it at very long range, particularly as the Sukhois will be flying over the sea. Seeing as the F35s will be flying at high altitude and transonic or even supersonic, the F35s will be in theoretical AMRAAM range substantially sooner than the low and slow Sukhois will with their already inferior R77s. The Sukhois will be fired upon repeatedly for several minutes before they can even think about firing back, and that's assuming they will even be able to detect the F35s.
You say also that the Su35 enjoys a speed advantage over the F35. This is true if both planes are flying clean at the same altitude, but in your scenario the Sukhois are flying at low level (where the air is thicker) and with wing stations fully used (creating drag). The F35s on the other hand are flying clean (as all armament is carried internally) and at high altitude (where the air is thinner). They will easily outperform the Sukhois for speed.
Lastly you are very optimistic that the Sukhois will detect the F35s with their own radar at such range. The F35 may not be quite as stealthy as say the F22, but it is still a low observable design, and (when the F35 points its nose at the emitting radar, offering its smallest cross section, which it will be doing in your scenario) it won't be picked up on radar until it is very close, likely much closer than the scenario envisages. This means the Sukhois won't even see anything to shoot at for many minutes, while being shot at from unseen enemies and likely taking serious losses.
They said that the planes ascend once the ground radar detects them
Jesus, that was very informative thanks
an astute observation, hats off to you. however, It is important to point out, that the Russian armada rebuilds as a defensive force built for continental offensives with subs and other strategic weapons, including bio, as naval offensive weapons. Russian territorial geometry and position speaks for itself. It will likely build one or two aircraft carriers in the future for peace time missions only. I doubt f-35 tech will remain stealth for longer than a decade, giving the lidar tech advance. both domestic engine designs will likely be modified and kept secret. Dogfights are more or less matter of the past and F35 is primarily a strategic bomber. I find this scenario probable but it wont be critical. imo, strategic maritime routes will be defended with subs, if at all. In the end, numbers will decide the all-out wars and simplicity of weapons, output and repair output, logistics and supply lines are more important than slight tech differences, as seen in nearly all previous major world conflicts. Any of these scenarios has to be post nuclear. There is absolutely zero chance of US-RU conflict without at least two waves of all out nuclear salvos with active AWACS and Hi altitude weapons as primary target.
Why do you still firmly believe in the relevance of stealth technology, the downed F-117 has long put an end to this technology . Stealth technologies are more or less effective against third-country radars operating in the X-band of 8-12 GHz, and locators on ultrashort waves of 30 MHz-3 GHz perfectly see invisible planes. The Pentagon is well aware of this , but if you officially recognize the failure of this technology in modern realities, it means huge financial losses of defense enterprises
All that and Serbs shot down a stealth b2 bomber in the 90s lol. Bro stop thinking, with all you analytics, the Russia's just can't simply compete. It's extreme naiveness.
I was gonna say ''man it's gonna be hell in the comment section'' but not really
Good job being civilised
I love your channel Binkov! Keep up these great videos :)
Binkov is really a CIA TROLL. Always biased toward the WEST.
It looks like your the opposite end of the Spectrum Russian Santa Cause with an American Name.
@@DavidWatersJames so what it’s facts
Even military experts of those nations use this in their analists and practises ))
Very interesting. Well-done editing.
The only war is in the comments section haha. Be prepared for cancer
Wouter d.B.
Wouter d.B. And the cancer will not give for the chemucals of the planes. They launch in or contries. THE MILITARY OF THE UNITED ESTATES LAUNCH THE CHEMTRAILS.
THE RUSIAN MISSULES ARE FOOL? DO NOT THINK SO. AND THE MISSILES GRINGOS ARE ONLY THE SMART ONES HA HA HA HA. PURE LIES.
There is no such thing as chemtrails. There are contrails and they are nothing but water vapour/crystals. Get your head out of your ass. I suppose the world is also flat...
"Contrails are line-shaped clouds produced by aircraft engine exhaust or changes in air pressure, typically at aircraft cruise altitudes several miles above the Earth's surface. Contrails are composed primarily of water, in the form of ice crystals."
The only remotely close thing is the US's use of agent Orange to kill vegetation in Vietnam. The side effects of that weren't fully understood at the time, but are very real.
Best comment
i was wondering how a direct confrontation between Europe and Russia will go... with no US interference... let's say that US sais: ''guys, we're tired of fighting wars for everybody....we're out on this one''.... cause EU is hard on sanctioning Russia and blaming it for everything...so i would like to know if they can back their claims in war scenario without running behind US's skirt...
Mad Max, no war in human history has ever been fought for purely altruistic reasons.
Mad Max in all fairness, they did save our asses twice... 3 if you count Bin Laden... hell! 4 if you count Hillary....
Mad Max a direct war with Russia....where Europe would've been caught in the middle...
Mad Max i'm talking about the US election, damn it!
Without US, I am not sure those sanctions will last a second. The sanctions on Russia serve one purpose, they keep US the unchallenged bully of the world !!
you are very good at your job
Good analysis
Angry Russians incoming at 5.....4.....3.....2....
No... the only thing to be angry at is irrational moronic idiots like you who claim something is better than another without analysis, sources and logical reasoning. Unfortunately that's 99% of people commenting on YT. This video is good, but it could have been at least backed up by simulations(Command: Air/Naval ops application) instead of model assumptions.
Also, don't forget that in this scenario the F-35 was supported by ground based radars which gives them a huge advantage.
Im jsut saying. They come in raging whenever Russia doesnt dominate in these scenarios. Remember the "Turkey vs Russia" videos. They were raging there because it wasnt a total steamroll victory. (angry Turkish nationalists were also raging of course)
Sorry to go off topic from the rage but holy Hell Command is complex. It's great fun but just keeping up with the tutorial is difficult.
That was the whole point. To see how they would do on the defense. While the next video they will be on the attack. So your last point is moot.
+LordDarthHarry Funny thing I was scrolling down here and I didn't see a single angry Russian hahahaha, yeah right man... And you are comparing Turks to Russians ? Turks rage on like fucking crazy ! On every single *someone* vs Turkey video they rage. Russians are tiny in comparison to the angry brainwashed crazy Turks. Every second comment I see is from a proud Turkish nationalist, and only a matter of them from the Russians. Besides, 99% of those Russians are also trolling, learn to take it lol. P.S. Not from a Russian :)
Rafale Vs eurofighter!
Homer Simpson there is actually no real situations where the Typhoon win, even in dogfight or bvr, but that would be interesting from Binkov that seems to kno what he's talking about most typhoon vs rafale videos are pretty innaccurate
Not really. This is old information the Eurofighter is pretty much capable of every mission now and continuously evolving. They can be compared in that this scenario is about the fight after the strike. The Rafale really lacks radar range, seriously so. The Eurofighter would achieve lock on much sooner. The SU-35's paint a HUGE radar picture with the massive radar they have and so as soon as it is turned on they are a target at almost any range. They need to bulk out with numbers to overcome that issue. Therefore the Eurofighter would be a clear winner. The Rafale is just straight inferior. However, we don't know the F-35 radar range and resolution for lock-on and we don't know how stealthy it is. So this video is extremely speculative. However, I have spoken to a Eurofighter test pilot at BAe Warton and he is thinking in terms of a 9-1 kill ratio for the Eurofighter against the best Russian fighters (He has flown every NATO aircraft and the SU-30 and MIG-29).
NoFaithNoPain I agree with you completely but a war against Russia would be more against quantity than quality probably.
Shaun Mclaren not at all no, the Typhoon is way less capable, in every training against the Rafale, it gets smashed. and it's not properly multirole while Rafale is, while still being good in about every aspects. you clearly lack some knowledge on the subject
Shaun Mclaren and Rafale is not cheaper at all
The F35 has a system that cools the entire plane including the skin to lower its infrared picture. I just thought I'd mention that. It's amazing all of the technology they placed into one small aircraft.
That USAF claim is from 2005...you know, when the F-35 hadn't even flown yet and they didn't know how stealthy it was going to be. Every time a USAF officer in the know has spoken about the F-35's stealthiness since, they've said it was stealthier than the F-22, while the source you used from 2005 for the RCS size claims the opposite.
Hey random stranger scrolling through the comments...
Wish you a happy new year
lol who said i wanted any likes. I can tell 2017 is going to be a GOOD year fo you with your bad attitude (/sarcasm). xD
Thanks mate.
Thanks! Happy New Year, stranger, hope everything works out well for you.
Thanks unknown stranger, happy new year to you too
HNY to you too, cure avatar guy/gal.
I love you Binkov! I would love to see an armor vs armor video from any two countries
Things that you need further consideration: *LPI radar modes. *Internal jammers being used much earlier in the engagement. F-pole advantages. Also the R-77/K-77M is not dependent on the firing aircraft only for mid course corrections.
Another problem I see are the pk numbers listed for the AMRAAM. You mentioned the general acronym "BVR" with stats from the Gulf War. Most of the BVR missiles fired in the Gulf War were AIM-7, which we don't use anymore. There is a huge gap in performance between the AIM-7M and AIM-120A, let alone the AIM-120D-4.
Also keep in mind that unprecedented levels of development and cyclical testing have been transpiring for many years now with the highly maneuverable QF-16 drones we use, with extreme flight envelope parameters able to be tested on an airframe that has a lower RCS than either the MiG-35 or Su-30 and Su-35, with faster instantaneous turn rate. They have been able to test AIM-120D-4 and AIM-9X against these, then make programmatic changes to the architecture of the AIM-9X and AIM-120D.
Most of the testing is done on BVR shots with AIM-120D, including advanced self-protection jamming and countermeasures used by the QF-16 to simulate the latest threat profiles of the MiGs and Sukhois.
make a video on India vs Pakistan and China
Rushabh Doshi I would like to see that
Rushabh Doshi did you see v the turkey vs Russia ones? nationalist in either side will go nuts
Nope
***** that's sound great.. Because China will be have lots of difficulty to get into India because of Himalayan mountain..
I can already tell you right now that China would rape India.
hey binknov plz do a video on India vs Pakistan
rajat vinerkar India vs China as well
rajat vinerkar China vs Japan
Agreed! This would be a great choice!
Japan would have a hard time, they're pacifistic and would need US help in the long term.
1 vs 1 Japan dont stand a chance against China.
Chinese Navy could easily employ naval blockade around Japan cutting of its access to strategic resources such as oil and steel.
Seeing how Indonesia's Sukhois purchase is in jeopardy, and the government is begging the US to sell Indonesia F-35 after making pressuring them to cancel, this is going to be a baseline overview of which one is "better" or "good"
But with my personal bias... GET THE SUKHOIS PLZ
Your air force have prior experience with SU 27&30
I love the correct assumtion using current not future weapons tech
Wow! I was just thinking about your channel and boom you upload a new video.
he seems to really know his shit
It's a fairly good analysis, but it doesn't correctly model how the SU-35's speed and maneuverability are limited when carrying a full weapons load. The SU-35s carrying the ground attack weapons would be especially affected.
Nice I would've expected a loss for f-35 defending but a win on attacking given there abilty to sneak in closer
Binkov - many thanks for sharing this and for taking the time to look into this. That being said I have a few questions for you. It's no great military secret that the stealth shaping of the F-35 is optimised in the X-Band and above in the forward aspect only. On side view this breaks down quite drastically leaving the F-35 open for detection, particularly if their flying combat spread of 60km+ across. Did you take that into consideration? As a case in point LockMart are so nervous in the late 2000's they wouldn't let Danish test pilots fly that type of formation in the simulator. The other thing to consider is the IR signature of the F-35. You may or may not be aware of the rubber insulation for the fuel cooling breaking down for the wing tanks. So at 30000 ft and above you have a differential of 140 deg C over a wing area of 42.7m^2. This would drastically increase the range the IR sensors would detect the F-35. Did you take that into consideration?
It's refreshing to see an analysis presented in an unbiased manner using real data regarding technology and tactical doctrine.
One thing you left out/missed. AWACS. AWACS is another level of radar coverage (airborne) which enables friendly aircraft to receive real time data and radar lock, while not risking detection by using its own radar. This mixed with the F35's superior IR detection HAS to increase its effectiveness and survivability. But overall, a good video!
Commissar Binkov, please do a video on the F-22 vs. F-35.
You mean CIA troll
i like how do don't favor on side over another
Same here :D
To be honest here, F35 probably have better electonics than we saw. In this situation they won't lose so many planes. Especially on the defence
Thessaloz George he gave a 2 to 1 kill ratio AGAINST su35, and you think because it's american and cool it would do better? if you asked any f35 pilots if he was at war with russians flying su35s and they would lose 2 f35 but kill all the enemy, they wouldn't like it, but they take that win.
This is like a sesame street for war gamers.
Thank you for the awsome content supreme commander Binkov. : p
Another great analysis. Gratz
California vs Texas!
I am okay with this as a californian. our guys would probably be too busy struggling with the bullet buttons and mag locks to reload anyway...
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California vs Texas!
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it is a one north america...
no need state
Famous "highly likely"
I remeber my military era on 1986-7 on czech military airbase.
We were able to track F-111s over Alps . Tamara, Vera. 8-bits "homemade" comps driven passive radars.
Raytheon bought it (No, it was not "tunneling" of the Czech company Tesla Pardubice) late 90´s.
Very usefull as we saw in Syria today.
Can you do Russia vs Europe?
+A Ginger Ewok USA won against Russia alone on Binkov's older video so you should remove the ally part
Well the Russia vs USA battle he did was only an arena battle that put each country right next to each other unrealistically. The USA vs CHINA video had mobilization as a factor since it showed that the US could only realistically move so many forces overseas. Id like to see a video showing NATO forces throughout Europe, and how each force would ultimately react should war break out.
+Vietnam Mapper That is very true, I think it would actually be better without USA's support, thanks 👍
true we don't need some Americans throwing nukes around
You forgot to include that the F-35 can target and fire Standard Missiles from navy ships.
Also, you have to take in to account that the F-35s APG-81 is magnitues more powerful than the SU-35s PESA radar.
That's the SM-6. And current F-35's can't do that until block 4.
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Ok, but the capability is deployed on some F-35s, during a test a few months ago, the capability was demonstrated.
www.raytheon.com/news/feature/sm-6_first_of_a_kind.html
www.raytheon.com/news/feature/sm-6_first_of_a_kind.html
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laetrille That was the test plane. It has the software to guide SM-6 missiles beyond the horizon. The aircraft that has that capability right now are the E-2D Hawkeye's. And every Carrier Strike Group that deploys near "concern areas" always has a E-2 in the air. That bird has a 400+km detection and tracking capability.
continue in the same spirit))) everything will be decided soon!
In July 2008, simulated air combat involving the Su-35 fighter against a mixed fleet of American fighters - F-22, F / A-18 Super Hornet and F-35, where the latter was "beaten with a club like a child". The simulation was conducted at the Hikam Air Force base in Hawaii, witnessed by at least four representatives of the Air Force and military intelligence in Australia. A member of the Australian Parliament, Denis Jensen (Dennis Jensen), expertly stated that during the "strictly classified modeling" the F-35 was "mercilessly beaten by a Su-35 fighter"
+Денис Чебодаев
There was never an simulated engagement between F-35s and Su-35s. There was a simulated engagement either in '2008 or '2009 between an F-22 and Su-30 by an independent news company if I recall correctly. Can't remember the details.
> *_"The simulation was conducted at the Hikam Air Force base in Hawaii, witnessed by at least four representatives of the Air Force and military intelligence in Australia. A member of the Australian Parliament, Denis Jensen (Dennis Jensen), expertly stated that during the "strictly classified modeling" the F-35 was "mercilessly beaten by a Su-35 fighter""_*
Was this RAND?
Su-37 vs Eurofighter Typhoon.
Su-37 is only a technology demonstrator
can you do m1 abrams vs t90?
Elijah Joseph Abrams by a longshot
Andrew Forman The M1 Abrams is technically better, but the t90 is nearly half the cost.
Elijah Joseph Wouldn't make an interesting video, it would just be M1A2's sniping T-90's from afar.
M1A2's would still win with with a 1:2 ratio.
Dont the T-90s have a longer range gun and missile capability though?
Well what kick ass video. Superb.
good and excellent video. The video was a good indication but know one really knows what or how the x 35 would perform until action
South Korea VS North korea
Art of street work out
South Korea VS North korea
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both koreans are still same one korean language
I think you may be overestimating the Su's speed advantage given its external stores and its ability to find/lock the F-35
And how in Ukraine they have gpses glued to the cockpit
The F-35’s maximum sustained turn rate is 18.5 degrees a second which falls behind the F-22’s 19 degrees a second but not by much since they have similar lift to drag ratios because of the similar airframes.
F35 is a very slow moving half invisible duck flying in the sky with the Su's and Mig's blasting shots at it from long stand off range in safety!
please do a guns dogfight between su-35 and f-35
boy teebah but that's not a realistic scenario. the F35 was designed to launch missiles and drop bombs on targets. if you really want a dogfight scenario, Su-35 vs F-22 Raptor
you re quite right
F-22 Raptor would annihilate Su-35, that's not fair man lmao
Victor Katilis WVR? Sorry, not everyone is privy to your acronyms.
WVR is an acronym for within visual range, another word for it is dogfight and refers to air to air combat where both the combatants can see each other and they are trying to maneuver their noses into position to shoot the other down either using heat seeking missiles, cannons, or unlikely but possible radar guided missiles, this is like the dogfights you see in top gun.
I'm surprised they are using the F-35 as a counter measure as a more practical fighter would be the F-22 Raptor. The F-35 is more of a ground/bomber. (As it was designed for.)
Ken s that's what I'm saying su35 is more superior in dogfights then a f35.
Solid Snake F 35 isnt designed for dogfighting.. This was stated
. Dogfighting is being phased out with accurate missle systems.
The F-35 is actually a capable dogfighter, although it does it in a different way. In Red Flag events it did extremely well against fourth generation aircraft. The F-16 and F-15 have trouble locking onto it.
Nobody truly knows the absolute capabilities of the F-35
Made in U.S.A: that was sort of the mistake with the F4 having no gun, only missiles, which led to losses to Mig-21s.
On the other hand, the F35 concept: a big, powerful radar equipped plane with tons of missiles are constrained by the aircraft's configuration. Modern radars can be very powerful, however, they had to fit within the nose cone of a fighter aircraft. AWACS are commercial jet-sized planes with big radars that can easily outrange most puny radars in fighters' nose cone. With the technology to link and communicate targeting information up and down the chain, missile armed planes can rely on bigger AWACS radar for targeting.
Better yet, why not bigger missiles? Why not bigger aircrafts with bigger radars and missiles with longer range? Assuming the missile work, an AWACS-sized aircraft with powerful radar + super long range missiles can outrange any F35. Just ad a thin crust of short range, gun armed fighters just in case.
Not my original ideas. Better man than I stated the case:
www.the-american-interest.com/2007/09/01/breaking-the-bank/
please make a video on LCA Tejas Vs JF 17
What will you do without avax and without GPS? All stealth will be forced to turn on the radar?
But Binkov, They are different role planes, it would be much more appropriate to compare Su-35 against F-22, as they are both Air Superiority fighters. F-35 is multirole fighter, and should be matched with Mig-29
But the scenario is that the attackers are bombing ground targets. It makes sense to use multi-role planes. I just don't think the Russian Air Force has a multi-role right now comparable to the F35.
I think it is a pretty fair comparison... in a way. After all there are a number of countries buying the F-35 that plan on using them for the air superiority role, as dumb as it may be.
Although it would be interesting to see this with them against the F-22.
Hobbyist Contrarian Well, Russian AF is working on getting their first Gen5 fighter, T-50 (Or PAK FA), which is an Air superiority fighter like F22.... Russians have a long way to go before they get a gen 5 multirole fighter .... the closest thing is a mig-29, which is roughly comparable to F-16.
CzarPeppers Well, most countries just buy multirole fighters (Raffale, Eurofighter, F16, F/A 18), which work fine as a fighter, just not necessarily ideal... what you get in return is added ground strike capability, Which many air superiority fighters can do, just not as well (Save for F-15)
Starhoof I agreed
The SU-35 needs to replace it's Irbis PESA radar with a more powerful AESA radar, like the Zhuk AE, or the one mounted on the Pak-Fa
Kristi Mitri AESA's are super expensive (~40-60 million). Russia lacks the funds to do that, especially with sanctions and low oil and gas prices (they make up ~50% of the budget). Russia would do better to spend it on better training, and probably on better ground forces. There was a joke amongst NATO officers during the Cold War that went like this: Two Soviet generals run into each other in a Paris cafe. One asks the other, "By the way, who won the air war?"
+Wynton Goulding Goddammit I knoe
Victor Katilis ?
@@wgoulding *Tell this joke to American pilots who flew in Korea and Vietnam, and ask what the losses of the US Air Force during these conflicts are! ;-)*
@@UltraTotenkopf 😂 Vietnam was bad, but only in comparison to the kill:loss ratio's of what came before (Korea) and after (Gulf War). There was still a 3.8:1 kill ratio against Migs in Vietnam, and before that in Korea, it was 5.6:1. And let's not ignore the fact that while Soviet planes were in general of cheaper / lower quality than western planes, the west were still able to produce comparable numbers of planes if not more due to the large aerospace industry. Also, a point that needs to be made is that in both conflicts, look at who owned the airspace over the battlefield. It's not the Chinese/North Koreans, and not the North Vietnamese. In neither conflicts did US forces come under any significant air attack, while in both conflicts, the allied air forces were able to provide close air support without fear of enemy fighters. The only real danger was in bombing raids deep in enemy territory. Even then, western pilots, planes, doctrine, and support personnel outperformed their opponents consistently.
But who made little cute Binkov
Now that the T-50 PAK-FA has a proper name and has entered production you should do an F-22 vs Su-57 video!
Wonderful! May God bless all of us around the world.
you wrong, R-77-1 can active radar not semi-active radar
hẻherher hgrewher Watch his video carefully, he recognized that the R-77 has its own radar. But like all active guided radar missiles it has to get close enough to lock on first. For the first half of the flight it relies on the aircrafts radar. He was saying that the R-77 has a slightly smaller range for locking on to its own target.
3:02 Radar cross section in Bdsm :-D
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Could you compare jf-17 with fa-50?
The jf-17 a joint venture of china and pakistan.
While fa-50 are us and korean project.
Hi Binkov, what about scenario of leading 5th generation fighters with 4th generation fighters further behind to destroy 5th generation fighters after range is close enough for visual combat and the lightly armed 5th generation fighters have launched all of their missiles? Once the positions of the 5th generation fighters are known, couldn't the higher speed, more maneuverable and more heavily armed 4th generation fighters hunt them down and destroy them? It seems as if the 5th generation fighters are best for offense and first or surprise attacks.
F35A got 145 confirm kills and 7 losses in an Exercise.
Brazil vs Venezuela (Brazil with the Gripen NGs)
Gabriel Viana brazil is a shit hole
Ballistus lol no
South Brazil is pretty developed. North Brazil is just favela land.
1MuchButteR1 lol, North Brazil is just jungle, the favelas are just in Rio
Venezuela is screwed financially, so I don't see how it can fight a war.
Very interesting
What software was used to make this video.
4.5 gen Su-35 vs 5th gen F-35.
Next do T-50 PAK FA 5th gen vs F-35 or F-22.
It would fare a bit better, but it still lags behind in some key areas.
funkierfawn budgie very little point when Russia only have 3
WTF? 80km engagement by a F35? The longest engagement range able for USAF aircrafts is 48km and it's by the F22
The F-35's radar gives it the ability to engage a solid lock at 100km, and fire the AMRAAM missiles (up to 160km range) at 80km for reliable results.
Chase Standage what the shit dude, it's an AA missile not a tactical cruise missile
Yup, tell that to the engineers who designed it
aim 120d / meteor..... much longer ranges than 48km. lmfao
If one F22 can take on n defeat 5 F15s as its been"demonstrated" by the impartial Lockheed Martin propaganda machine F15 an amazing machine but them days jets where designed to do their job well now days they are designed to make more n more money for the military industry owners
Wow! This is deep!
Cool video! How about F-22 vs SU-57, or F-22 vs J-20?
my left hand vs right hand
ADMIN result: claps :)
Chile vs Peru
gana bolivia.
AirShark95 GANA CHILE.
irrelevant racist bitch