Is it okay to Sporterize a Military Surplus Rifle?
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Hopefully I bring up some decent points in this video. Trust me, I am the last person you will see mess up a military surplus firearm, but in the case of a refurbished Mosin, I don't see a problem with. There are also a ton of Mauser actions out there that can be turned into top notch sporters.
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2010: "moist nuggets will never run out, they will be $150 forever."
2018: "wOOPS"
Yup. It was a bitch to find a good priced nagant. I hope whoever desecrated rifles like this, suffer from a catastrophic malfunction. Would serve them right
2021: Hold my beer.
@@rokko854 no kidding people out here looking for $350-400
Lmao 😂 a M1891/30 Mosin Nagant cost $600 nowdays.
Upwards of 1000 on gun broker.
"They're never gonna dry up"
Fast forward to 2015
You're lucky if you can find one under $200
+Parks Parks To be fair I picked up my Type 53 off of gunbroker for $180 plus shipping and transfer. Mechanically she's tight as a drum, but holy hell that wood has seen some shit.
+KillerBee I got mine a couple years ago for $139.95 plus shipping and transfer and mine was pretty much the same condition. Prices seem to be going up quick
+Parks Parks I got lucky as hell and just got a M44 for $50.00 with 60 rounds of ammo
Scott P yeah that's a ridiculous deal
I couldn't whip out the money fast enough
So you would not suggest I create an Assault Musket?
go for it
Jesus, don't butcher a Mauser. That's like elmer gluing rhinestones onto the Holy Grail.
Yes, I hate the fact people butcher k98s just for there taste.
pulaski789 their
I imagine he regrets the “…91/30 won’t dry up..” lmao. Over here in 2021 they are found for $500+
in 2023 I have been told they are $300 or less, Ones I have seen and found for sale run $600 to $1500 nah cheap surplus has gone bye bye
Sporterizing a military rifle is a waste of money and the rifle. Modern rifles are cheaper and more accurate. It's not the 50s anymore where mil surp rifles were significantly cheaper and better than civilian production rifles.
Besides. Sporterization helps you so little in making the gun better.
customize a mosin nagant right and she can out shoot even modern rifles...and it really doesent cost that much to make a mosin keep up with a modern shooter..a few $ and you can keep up with some of the best and thats a proven fact
Austin Wright True. I belive that if you are going to sporterize the rifle dont do anything permanent. You can always replace the stock but if you shorten the barrel there is nothing you can do about it.
Catwithanm16
to shorten the barrel KILLS your long range accuracy greatly, i might have a new trigger put in and have a scope mounted but thats pretty much it aside from having her cleaned up really really good
There is no rifle for the same amount of money (that is key) that can outshoot a good condition old Mauser, or even a Springfield, Enfield or Mosin.
Rifles are a mature technology. The last real breakthrough was smokeless powder. After that we've had incremental improvements, at best. What makes these old rifles inaccurate is generally either because some of them are worn out or because they had rather crude sights.
The sights are an easy and fairly cheap problem to fix, by the way.
If there's an old piece of shit Enfiled then yeah, make it a nice deer rifle. If it was a 1939 Enfiled that got carried in Africa, France, Italy and Germany then no, that's a piece of history.
MrcabooseVG what "piece of shit" enfields are there???
Blake Bramley I have an isaphor 1943 smle thats kind of shit.
my grandpa just gave me a ww2 1939 lee en lol
just saw a sporterized 43 enfield at a pawn shop that they want 270 for. i am so tempted but not sure if thats a good price for a sporterized one. very pretty and they at least did a nice job on it
No just no , pepole need to stop sportrizing rifles. They are all peaces of history.
Absolutely not.
short answer: NYET
Depends on the condition, my main sport shooting rifle is a Mauser that stock was completely rotten BUT all the metal parts were in working order. After stripping the gun down and cleaning everything up I put the all the salvaged parts (barrel, blot, chamber, magazine etc.) onto a polymer stock with a custom trigger and that gun shoots true and runs like a absolute dream!
It also depends on the rarity of the gun, no-one is going to lose any sleep over a couple of sporterized Mosin-Nagants but if you were going to sporterize a Ishapore or a Mk.5 Jungle carbine then I would prefer you to restore them rather than sporterize them. However, they are your guns at the end of the day AND I would be a hypocrite if I scolded someone for doing something that I did myself to a Mauser so that's just my two cents on the topic.
Imo the Swiss K31 is the perfect rifle to sporterize!
All You have to modify is: NOTHING!
Just take it to the ranch and shoot-out almost every modern rifle.
"They're never gonna dry up"
Lol.
Leave them be..100 years from now it would be like placing a fiberglass stock on a Brown Bess.
For those that say that Mosin Nagants are just cheap surplus rifles and will basically never be anything else and that there is a unlimited supply remember the guys that sporterised guns back in the 1950s -70s thought the same thing.
Had an old guy show me an 1873 trapdoor he had sporterised back in the 1950s, cut it back, put a monticarlo stock on it and reblued the metal. Back then he told me it was just an old obsolete gun that was cheap and common, said he paid $3 for it. Remember seeing them at the Bannamen store priced at $5 and thinking who does he think he is asking that much.
I have seen plenty of Civil war guns that were sportised and I'm sure they thought the same as your mosin nagant owner today..
Most sportised Mosin Nagants are attempts to tactical them out and doesn't really do much to make them more effective gun anyway, that cool plastic stock really does what?
Not all sporters are bad, I have a beautiful Griffen and Howe built on a 1903 action also a pre war sporter mauser but these are the exceptions.
What most guys do will cause somebody 30 years down the road to ask " what the hell was they thinking!"
Deadhorse1 I have a beautifully sporterized p17 in a Boyds stock with Redfield peep sights. Awesome rifle.
@@bowlofrice8 Is it an actual military M1917 sporter or is it one of the Remington Model 30 rifles made using leftover recievers?
Every WWII rifle that will ever be made has been. There is a limited supply and to look at a WWII firearm and say it's ok because they are a dime a dozen and will never dry up is wrong. They will eventually dry up. People, please don't destroy a piece of history by trashing out a military firearm. If it has been damaged in a fire or something similar and can never be returned to original equipment then yes, rather than tossing it, then sporterize the gun. 2010 every gun store had plenty of these guns around. it's 2020 and now most gun stores no longer have them because they have gone up in price so much. Price them online, as another poster said you can't get them for under $200 and most good ones go for $275 or more. It was 2006, the day after thanksgiving and my brother was ordering a Mosin to give to his son in law for Christmas. They were on sale for $69, regular price $99. I kick myself for not getting a few. Of course in the 1980's I lived less than 10 miles from the CMP store and didn't buy up Garands and M1 carbine either. *kick* *kick*.
i personally think that its okay unless it was combat worn because the combat worn rifles, once you sporterize a combat worn rifle you have just done a huge disservice to the veterans/veteran whom used that rifle.
darthsquid2000ish You do realise it was a commie who carried this rifle into combat, if it saw combat?
so, they still died and our fought for their countries 'freedom' well more like oppression and you realize that the "communist" that carried the rifles weren't always supporters of communism, it just happened it was a communist rifle at the time and i was also referring to military surplus rifles as a whole such as world war 1 world war 2 occasionally Korea and Vietnam. and no i do not mean the communists in Vietnam ad Korea i'v seen photos of U.S. allied soldiers carrying the rifles such as the mosin the sks.
I'm a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan, and I would be completely ok with someone sporterizing my rifle.
+Robert Guinn Too bad we can't get surplus m14's, m16's or m4's thanks to ATF 1986 bullshit "Once a machine gun always a machine gun."
you know, I dont think the veterans would really care if their rifle was cleaned up or not.
Awesome video, thanks for making one like this.
It is going into our favorites for sure
in Australia it was common after WW2 to sporterise the No1 Mk3* Smle. The problem with this was that the barrel is quite light and the accuracy went to shit. To maintain the group the rifle needs the nose cap to control the whip of the barrel. They could be cut down but you had to put a heavy barrel in. Cheers Ross
no its not ok , dont destroy them !
if it's mine I'm going to do what I want.
that being said I will not butcher a gun that someone else hasn't cut up already.
My father's generation sporterized everything,wasted everything,that's why military small arm's are STUPID expensive now.
if its your property. you can do whatever you want to it. its frowned upon to do it to a combat used rifle in my opinion, but its none of my or anyone elses buisness what you do to your guns.
My 1905 Enfield was sporterised a couple of decades before I was born, it has a beautiful walnut stock and a ph5a aperture sight. From what I've heard the real old ones had stuffed barrels due to corrosive primers. so people would rebarrel and restock to make them shooters again. has to be better than leaving them to just look at.
Very nice Finnish restoration. I have a M90/31 hex receiver which I restored and get rave reviews. Good video!
Cant wait to see your series on Mosin project. I own 5 myself and did slight changes to one of my 91/31 to make it a cheap deer rifle. Only changed the stock and kept everything else as it was made. Hopefully I will learn a few more things to add to my project as well. Keep up the good work.
But another interesting point is that military arms go up in value if they are restored to their original armory condition. A case in point- another guy I know bought a rusted up M1861 Springfield musket. The stock was in good condition but the metal parts weren't. My friend who owns the M1795 took it, worked his magic, and returned the musket to the guy with the metal parts being armory bright and showing slight pitting. That made it worth more than the $800 paid to get it.
The Mosins are getting harder to find. A local show this past week end had a great showing of 91/30 and M44 offerings. Most were priced at $350 for a Tula Hex 91/30 and a couple of 20s 91/30s. I did grab a M44 in really nice shape, matching numbers, great bluing. original sling, etc.. The good news I got it $200 The bad news is the bore was black and looked like sand paper. I used a few tricks to clean it up. After 2 hours of working on the barrel it turned out good. Good rifling but there is evidence of pitting. It isn't desirable to have pitting but it's not excessive. I'll take it to the range soon but I'll bet it will shoot just fine. I was up front with the owner and said that I would offer more but the bore is a crap shoot. He was fine with that. So for a little bit of work it paid off. Happy hunting!
Your rifle, your call! I have all of mine restored to military honors, except the 1891 Argentine Mauser that was sporterized by that country 100 years or more, ago!
It was $150 in a local gun shop and all the #'s match.
i will gladly adjust according to what my former enemies have taught me, after the Iron Curtain fell and they escaped to America! Even my 1901 M91 is a shooter!
All take deer, hog, and, if I can get tags, will do Gator (a .22 works well, too)
i have a mouser and i sported the stock. and you know how i know its done right,....cause i did it how i wanted it. that makes it done right !!!
If the gun is all together and sturdy, then there's no need. If the wood's beat up and parts aren't original, then it's understandable. If the gun was already sporterized to begin with, then you might as well keep it that way, unless you're a devoted collector. On average, it costs more money to restore a milsurp to original configuration than it's really worth. there's a Remington 1903 I'm getting that's been sporterized, and if it weren't for the barrel being replaced at some point and that replacement stocks cost at least $200 unfinished, I wouldn't mind doing a resto.
i originally bought a mosin off gunbroker for about 95 bucks with the ATI stock on it. I'm in the process of gathering the parts together to make it a scout/multipurpose rifle. On the flip side my father gave me his sporterized mauser. i'll probably end up buying furniture and refurbishing that and either giving it back to my dad as a refinished war era mauser or give it to my son when he comes of age.
Basically the same reasoning applies to hotrodding classic cars, I guess.
I don't agree with sporterizing a rare gun or one with lots of history, but if you bought just some plane Jane mosin and sporterizing it will improve its useability for your applications I'm all for it.
As long as it doesnt look stupid or tacky, I'm talking to you bubba
NOOOOOOOO. You sporterize sporting rifles! Not pieces of history (whether they were used or not)
+IHCTerra A German K98 is history. An AR-15 is not.
@ I agree my plan is to sporterize a parade 1903 by reactivating it in 7x57 mauser with a light wight wood stock and a leupold scope.
@@Adamu98 Why go with 7x57 Mauser instead of a 6.5x55 Swiss or 6.5 Creedmore?
@@shockwave6213 because 7x57 and 30 06 are close enough that I don't have to modify the magazine to work with 6.5x55. 6.5 creedmoor is too short to run in the long action of the springfield
91's with milled triggerguards are the best ones to build a custom from.
OMG you made a $150 gun into a $145 gun and spent $20 to do it.
Yes. Particularly the barrels. Okay, if there's muzzle damage then cut it back and re-crown it, but otherwise just no. The only milsurp I ever put plastic on was because the furniture cracked, and then only as long as it took me to get a new piece of original wood for it. I did, however, make the decision to have a scope put on it (the promised "no-drill no-tap" mount was "no go" insofar as staying in place was concerned).
Looking forward to watching these series of working on the Mosin. Yesterday I have just bought my first Mosin and I am going to clean it and restore it to its full beauty. It was made in 1932 and has the hex receiver. comes with the bayonet that fits perfectly. It doesn't look as if it was used in the war, as the stock is in very good condition. Keep up with the great informative videos.
🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 IF YOU WANT A NEW SPORTING RIFFEL FAIR ENOUGH, THEN BUY A NEW SPORTING RIFFEL.....
DONT KILL A PICE OF HISTORT THAT IS ABSOLUTELY THE MOST STUPIED THING I HAVE SEE IN A LONG TIME....
Thanks for the laugh, good day sir.
I purchased a yugo 24/47...the barrel was so dark you could hardly see the rifleing....and grops were 6"@ 50 yards....so, Ya, Im making a sporting rifle of it. Krieger barrel, Jard trigger, the works....and I will have a gun to be proud of, and one that I can actually shoot and enjoy, and hand down to relatives when I'm gone.
Looks to be a fun project. I do the reversal, militarizing a sporting shotgun. My Winchester 1897 looked rough, but since it's going to be kept personally, turning it into a trench gun is a fun trip.
For me I would love to get a mint M 39 but also one where the stock is in incredibly rough shape and have a new stock created for it out of modern materials, either in black or modern camo, But the material in the look would be the only thing different. By the look I mean whether it’s solid black or camouflage. The question is, where could you get some thing like that made?
I agree with you. My great grandfather sporterized an Arisaka Type 38 carbine by removing the wood on the barrel and sanding down the flat end and rounding it. I'm glad he didnt do the same to the Mauser 98k. He made a custom walnut stock that is beautiful however I am restoring it to its original configuration.
When I am looking for a new project, I normaly look for something that has been destroyed. I never feel good about hacking up a rifle that survived wars and 60 years of use. I like going for, some jerk hack sawed the barrel off kind of weapons for project guns.
In my opinion milsurp rifles that are untouched, are like mini time capsules from the era in which they were manufactured in, like my Mosin Nagant that was made by New England Westinghouse in 1915 which was then exported to Finland to fight in the Finnish Army and then transfered to the Finnish Civil Guard, that right there is a rifle that participated in a lot of history, and it still works.
If someone got ahold of any of my rifles and sporterized any one of them, I would skin them alive and pour a ton of salt on them.
Now, if I was going to do a unique build like The End’s Mosin Nagant from MGS 3 w/ a side folding paratroop style stock, then I would choose a rifle that’s pretty beat up to do it on.
The wood is over the barrel for a good reason.
it protects it from snow and rain.
Absolutely love these old videos, on the new ones now that y'all are pretty much famous, keep waiting for you to say ”this is Eric from Moss Pawn and Gun” 😂 lol
my opinion on sporterizing a military rifle is the same as when I sporterized my 1949 Remington 11-48 that I got from my Grandpa. Now that Shotgun is very sentimental to me, so my opinion on this only do modifications you can undo without damaging the gun, and hold onto the factory parts. Like when people buy M16A1's just for the lower to build a real M4, they hold on to the factory parts for the value.
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If the gun has been damaged beyond return to it's original condition than sure, rather than tossing the gun then "sporterize" it. Otherwise, keep than irreplaceable piece of history in it's original condition. Ever seen a revolutionary war rifle that was cut down 20 years after the war? I have and it makes you want to cry but the person that did it would have had the opinion that those guns were a dime a dozen and the supply would never dry up. Don't destroy history please, find a badly damaged one to "sporterize" don't do it to one that's in even just fair condition.
Recently I sold a Remington 91/30 made in 1917, in a fit of poverty and starvation. Used to have a number of Nagants, and tho they're common now, they'll dry up some day -- as did Enfields and Mausers! For now, they're a great candidate for sporterizing, good triggers are now available, so have fun! I agree with your comments, and love your flag.
I’m surprised no one has thought of making more Mosins, then you won’t have to worry about sporterizing a rare Mosin
I would like everyone watching this in 2018 to keep his green mosin pistol with a folding stock in mind.
"bubba"ing a rifle and having good taste modifying it, with a clear idea in mind on the result you mean to achieve, is another thing.
I see you as a very competent gunsmith and a person of taste,
I'm sure you won't disappoint.
@Mr2ndAmendment
That's just my 2 cents. Yes, I realize Mosins were mass produced in an extraordinary number and it will take a while for them to finally be worth something but I don't think historical pieces should be sporterized. My grandfather smuggled back his paratrooper M1 carbine back from the war, then proceeded to sporterize it until it was almost unrecognizable. What could have been a great historic family heirloom is instead a washed up hack job. Love it today, regret it tomorrow.
I'm not great with calibers(I can somewhat recite the calibers for most of the guns my dad owns, but nothing other than that), but what my father was told by the man who checked it at the range before we were going to fire it was that the shortening of the barrel created an accident waiting to happen. Whether it will fail when fired is still a mystery to me, but when my dad says no I unfortunately have no choice but to obey. The man operating the store at the range checked the caliber, etc.
Mosin Nagants can only be improved... go ahead
One fellow sum it up very pointedly, "if I bought it, I can do with it as I please, if you bought it form me then you can tell me what to do with it!"
I bought my first 91/30 just to screw around with it. New stock, new hair trigger, Russian POSP 3-9x42 1P21 scope, etc.... I just couldn't do it. Instead, I ended up refinishing the stock in beautiful Russian Red and mounting a 1941 PU on it. Then I bought 2 more. Ended up just refinishing them to (different colors). I now own 6 91/30's, 3 M44's, and 2 Chinese M53's. So far, the craziest thing I've done to a Mosin is mount a POSP scope that cost 5 times what I paid for the rifle it's mounted on.
If you buy it you can do what ever you want with it. It would be sad to ruin a piece of history but its the owners choice.I would like to sporterize/customize some milsurps but try to in a style as if it was sporterized in the era of the rifle itself.
Kinda like with what the Finns did with the 91/30.
Sporterizing, freefloating, modifying in any way can be done tastefully and can significantly increase the effectiveness of your rifle. If you can free-float the inside of a P/U mosin's stock without completely destroying the wood it's likely going to help to a point, if you put in a drop-in trigger and keep the original to the side it's going to help tremendously and isn't permanent. A 1/2-1 moa gun is better than a 3 moa wall hanger in the end. One'll be useful, the other wont.
The short answer to this question is both yes, and no. Even with Mosins, it kind of depends. My 91/30 is a beautiful 1944 production example that probably never saw combat. It is an amazing shooter as well. Tight 100/ 150 yard groups. Even with the iron sights. My other Mosin is a type 53 beater. I mulled over an entire shipment of these to find one with the best bore available. It puts out softball size groups at 100 yards. I scoped it, new sling, new trigger, re-finished the stock. added accessories. It barely resembles the heap of trash I started with. I think it looks damn classy, and actually better than it was. Besides that though, I wouldn't consider sporterizing any of my other surplus rifles.
I have a Remington 1903 and an Eddystone 1917. I love both rifles but the 03 is sporterized sporting a Lyman peep. Both rifles are precise but the 03 is more accurate since it has 1/4moa per click sight adjustments. I like the 03 just the way it is; as I like the Eddystone just the way it is.
I.m getting a 7.7 Arisaka converted to .35 whelen because the grooves are totally gone an it isn't a weapon basically, also I have an 1891 mauser that was converted to 30-06 is wore out and I'll be converting it to 8mm-06
Are those cartridges safe for an 1891 action?
I would love to glass the action and float the barrel and install a PU scope on a Mosin.
Especially if something is reversible. Slipping it into a plastic stock doesn't hurt anything or anyone, it can be put back in the wooden one easily.
In 2019 I don’t think it’s worth it with any milsurps to sporterize if it is original or arsenal referbished. You can buy something cheap less than $250-$300 (rough price for a basic 91/30) that will shoot better and be lighter with the polymer stocks these days and in the exact caliber you want!
don't cut stuff up, if ya want to hunt. buy a lever action 30.30.
Currently looking for a Mauser in original condition.... F!!!! the guys who sporterized all the classics!
Talk About Kitchen Gunsmithing lol, last night i put a BSA Red Dot scope on a Universal M1 Carbine just for the heck of it. The nut for the scope mount wouldn't fit in the sight dove tail, so I filed, and Dremeled, and hammered that sucker in. It took quite a bit of force and the nut is deformed, but I now have the scope on solid and straight. First gunsmithing project ever!
The reason I wold "sporterize" a rare firearm such a my norinco model m (not too rare but a nice one will be eventually), or your mosin you're talking about, is to not further damage the stock and to keep it in the condition I purchased it in. I can not hold a rifle for long without eventually bumping it against something. So by putting a new stock of whatever kind on it I will be able to store the original in the condition I received it in. And also personnel preference, You bought it.
Sounds like a great project to me. The standard issue mosin is ubiquitous and it's a bit silly for anyone to get indignant and split hairs over sporterising one especially when you've got one you're not sporterising. So long as it's done well the end result of sporterising can give the satisfaction of 'hey look my Ford hatch can keep up with your Ferrari sort of feeling. Brings out the true potential and hopefully amazes people that a nearly 60yr old mass produced rifle was well made.
I have done it to Russians, but they are hardly worth the effort to turn into a decent deer rifle. I sold one at a terrible loss just because I was tired of it. I had reworked it to a 30-40 Krag because there was very limited ammo at the time. Moved the bolt handle (Went to a Remington style) back where it belongs, closed the split receiver bridge and mounted a scope where it belongs instead of the half assed side mount or "Scout mount". Timmney trigger. I used one to hunt deer that was completely stock. I killed a deer, but it had a lousy safety (Like most military guns) and it was like walking around with a '57 Pontiac axle all day. The only decent military rifle to convert to a deer rifle that you showed was the Mauser. If you left it stock, at least it had a decent safety to use. As far as "Bubba got a hold of it", the Russian looks that way before it was worked on! I have done gun work about 40 years and the people referring to "Bubba" are usually him.
hey i've got a question about Mosins for anyone who knows... look at how on his rifle, by the rear barrel band release point, there's a cut out on the thicker aft part of the stock so that you can put your finger behind the barrel band and move it.
can someone explain to me why my Izhevsk 91/30 from 1937 doesn't have this cut-out? i originally thought it was a Tula-only thing since Tula's i've seen from later years have it. but now even an Izhevsk of a later year has it? can someone explain?
Pretty much the only surplus firearms I think are a good idea to sporterize are (common) mosin nagants because there are so many of them. Other than that, probably not. That's just me though.
bigchunk1 There's a million sporterised .303 Enfields around here in Australia, many of them being converted back to military spec with new timber. Good if you want a decent firearm for a couple of hundred, bad if you want to see them in their former glory. I'd never do that to a gun though of course :)
Yeah importing and localities is an interesting point. I know in Canada they can get an SVT-40 for $300 while it costs Americans $1500 for the same gun just because of importing laws. You blokes had a lot of Enfields from the war I bet, so maybe the Enfield is your Nagant. Then again, as a national symbol, maybe the Enfield is your Garand, in which case I would say no to sporterizing it.
+blogobre you mean they're cutting new wooden stocks to the old Enfield standard?
I was at a pawn shop about a week ago and saw a sporterized k98, I asked the owner to see it and on the receiver was a death head and SS stamp. Cut down barrel, dog shit monte carlo stock, and shitty no name modern scope mounted on it. I was disgusted, and wanted to beat down the original owner. The pawn dude was asking $550.
Replacing a barrel isnt too big of a deal
I've often thought,"if my Mosin's could talk, they'd hve some stories to tell". But then I think," if they could talk, they'd be speaking Russian, and I wouldn't understand them anyway".
In his introduction, the author stated that he was going to discuss the concept of "sporterizing" military surplus rifles. I don't think he actually got into that conversation. The video devolved into a discussion about which guns he would not sporterize. The topic of why one should or should not sporterize was left unaddressed so I will kick it out there for debate.
As with a great many things, the answer is always "it depends". I have a few vintage Lee Enfield and Parker Hale rifles, including original battle, factory conversion and custom sport configurations. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. There are some legitimate reasons for or against the modifications. My favourite is actually a factory conversion from No1MkIII to Parker Hale Custom Sport. My take on the issue is that changes to the stock are fairly minor in nature and normally are reversible but I would have to think about it really hard before cutting the barrel or modifying the receiver. These types of changes can seriously affect firearm performance, collector and/or resale value.
My 1917 BSA made number 1 mk3 was brought into the USA at a time where a milsup had to be sportized.
Why not? they are save the Mosin Nagant arte usually bettered fitted and finished than modern CNC produced sporting rifles
My 1936 Mosin has a value of 1 on a scale of 1 "little value" to 10 "high value", the laminated stock was made in the 1940's, the sling escutcheons are press in, but 1936 had the screw in style.
Screw it, I'm sporterizing it with a walnut stock from Boyds!
ill buy it off ya for $50 since you value it so low.
antaries93 I do not value it low, (even though it was FREE, as in I paid NOTHING FOR IT).
It has minor evidence of rust that has been removed very well, the barrel slugged well @ .3125 and the only thing I dislike is the laminated stock.
If my Mosin were offered up against others, it would not be the one someone would pay high $$$ for as it is the most common type of round receiver out there.
I now have the trigger as good as it can get short of adding a timney, (either the builder or the refurbish guy knew what they were doing when they put this trigger together)!
I also have the bolt working so much better than most anything Mosin I have seen on you-tube, and if you still want it, I would charge you $500 for it as is, ugly stock and all.
Eyes closed firing it, you might even think it were a real good Remington or winchester 30-06 bolt gun by the way it fires, cycles and by how the mirror smooth/crisp trigger feels.
Not counting the parts I already had at home, my investment so far is under $20, stock not included.
I'm betting that the first time out shooting it, I am going to be on paper and hitting tight groupings in under 10 rounds @ the 100 yard-line
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Well, AssHole, when things are given a value on a scale from 1 to 10, 10 is often the most rare, and if high value and 1 is the most common and of low value.
On the Mosin Negant Identification web site, my model and serial number was listed as a #1 and is the most common model they made, DickWad.
I did not say that I valued my Mosin as worthless.
It has a clean and decent bore, chambers a round well without having to slap the bolt, the stock is solid enough that I could cave in your skull with it and it would not break, and the trigger took my modifications so well it's as good as a Winchester model 70 trigger, so all in all I got a real good deal.
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Anyone know where this ass lives?
***** sounds like someone is having to compensate for a short dick by attacking others for valuing a their personal mosin at the bottom end of the spectrum of mosin values.
I recently bought a 91/30 at local store for 80$ I think must have seen action as it has scratched stock and something faintly carved in Russian on it and was also made in 1943.
On the subject of 91-30's, what's the best way to clean up the sling slots without damaging the wood? Mine is a 1933 and I DON'T want to damage any part of it, its too gorgeous, especially for an 87 yo rifle
I feel with the mosin if you have an original before m91/30, ww1, and/ or a ww2 it should stay original, any others I don't really care because even though they are old guns they don't carry as much historical value. Also you would think a mosin from after ww2 would be a better rifle for hunting as it probably wasn't used and abused as much as one from ww2 or before. Just my opinion.
IRAQVETERAN8888 shares a lot of great information and tips on the Mosin Nagant rifles. My only minor comment is that he mentions "I sha vek" as the armory. The armory is pronounced E' zhev sk (accent on the E). It is where Kalishnakovs or "AK" rifles are made. I love the videos vet.
or buy a separate stock which doesn't require permanent modifcation, like the ATI ones for enfields and mosins. Means you can hunt or whatever with it and not worry about damaging the original wood
Do what you want to your property, nothing more American than that.
I'll never sporterize my Ishapore 2A. Maybe add an appropriate scope but nothing more. I look at gun customization like pickup trucks. Sure jack that new F150 up in the air and add some huge tires and obnoxious exhaust. But that old F250 Highboy sitting out back, perfect as it was made.
I think taking the stock off and popping it into an archangel is fine as long as you can eventually put it back together in original condition.
My rule of thumb for modifying anything (gun or not) that was built before I was born: only if it can be undone. (Though there are exceptions-- I would add a Leslie speaker to my Hammond organ if I could find one.)
I sporterise mine with a Monty Carlo stock and longeye relief scope. Looks great.
I was given an Enfield No4 Mk1 and I got polymer sport stock for it. It's pretty much just for the weight savings and saving the wear and tear on the wood furniture. I still have the wood (although a piece of it was missing when I got it. Working on getting a replacement) because I actually do prefer the wood. It's just really heavy lol. I may get a wood sport stock, but we'll see.
You didn’t care about preserving surplus firearms when you blew away an Arisaka with a Garand for entertainment purposes.
good vid, cant wait to see more on these mosin. I love them. finally got my first one few months back
I'm working on a K31 at the moment. When I'm done it will look more like a Steyr Scout than a K31. But I agree with you, we should not change weapons that served our parents and grandparents during the war. I would NEVER change something on the K31 my grandfather used on the border to germany.
My father bought a Chilean Mauser of a man a year ago. The guy cut down the barrel, re chambered it from 8mm to .308, and added a peep sight to it. Needless to say, the gun is too dangerous to fire since the dramatic increase in psi is liable to send the bolt right out of the gun and straight into your cheekbone. So now it sits collecting dust on the wall. Waste of a rifle, since I was looking forward to firing it the day we took it to the range.
I have a 1950 long branch Enfield mk 3 that the stock was already sported when i got it. The barrel is still complete and full length. I am trying to decide to convert it back to original, change it to a reproduction sniper version, or custom sport it.
Answer: No
How is the video quality so good for a 10 year old video!?
I believe its not okay to sporterize any rifle period.
Dime a dozen,????,those rifles are $350. at my location,2019.
Look at the date on the video dipshit