THE AIRSCAPE - A Better Storage Solution For Coffee
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- Опубліковано 9 гру 2021
- Air is the enemy of your coffee's freshness, but thankfully there are some containers out there aimed at helping slow the staling process. So today I'm reviewing the Airscape canister and seeing how it stacks up against my current coffee storage solution of choice, the Fellow Atmos.
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I have both atmos and airscape containers. I prefer to use the airscape, primarily because they are much easier, faster to use. Also, when I place beans into the airscape, I like to cut the label off the bag, write the date onto it, and place it into the airscape in the space just below the top-most cover. This way, I always know what's in the container and how old they are.
I have an airscape as well and thougt about the fellow one, but now I will buy another airscape. Convenience is important to me, so thank you.
Thanks for the great tip!
That's an awesome tip!
I've had an Airscape (stainless steel) for years and haven't noticed any seal issues. Works well for me. Nice video.
Glad to see all these folks who’ve been using them without issue for while. I will be investing in a couple more.
Same for me i just bought a coper one few days ago , i was looking for one to fit my la pavoni pro coper/wood accent .
I roast my own coffee, so storage for me was important. I started with Atmos but wasn’t in love with the system, purchased one Airscape and loved it. I still use the Atmos for small batches that I don’t need often, but use the 3 Airscape on daily basis because it’s easy to use. Interesting video, thanks for putting it together.👍
I’ve been using a pair of metal Airscapes for a couple of years now and really like them. They’re quick and fuss free, and have been faultless in use.
That’s good to hear, hopefully it’s the same for the glass and ceramic. For some reason I don’t like the feel of metal canisters.
I have an "Airscape" -type container from Crate&Barrel from +5years ago and the seal has never dried out, probably because it has absorbed oils from coffee over time. My opinion is that it is a definite aesthetic upgrade for a countertop coffee bar setup. However, as an avid drinker, I found myself reverting back to bags over the years out of quick convenience. Especially with the large containers, I found it can take a few seconds to press all of the air out of the container. And, I generally press slow to ensure I do not break the seals. As the coffee runs low, it takes longer and longer to press the top all the way to the bottom.
Last and most important, back to aesthetics, almost every roster puts as much detail into his/her bags artwork as they do their roast. And so to dump the beans and discard the bad is almost a sin! When I used these cans, I would use a rubber band to wrap the bag around the cylinder to keep it around for the life of the beans.
Thanks for your content Spro!
Great idea! The bag label will also serve to remind one of what beans they’re drinking.
Good work, as always Spro!
I may consider buying one of these
in the near future. :)
I have an Atmos and it’s doing a great job. I’ve had it only for 5 months but, in the time I’ve had it never had an issue.
Yoooo I love my airscape to bits and pieces. Dope video, Spro.
Glad to hear that, thanks for watching my friend!
I like your hypothesis. I recently bought a very fresh coffee, and I didn't like it at all at the beginning. So I started researching a bit, and apparently "fresh" is not always optimal for certain flavors. So, in my personal experience, that explanation makes sense. It's like "we want it to evolve, but up to a certain point".
Biggest benefit of Airscape over Atmos is that Atmos loses its seal if you don't open and reseal daily (or close to it). I have several coffees I'm rotating through at once so I often find Atmos just sitting there doing nothing because it didn't hold. I also had a lid fail on me. Airscape is great in the at home sizes as well as Kilo for coffee shops and I use the bucket insert lid with a food grade bucket for coffee destined for the espresso hopper overnight. Great line of products!
It's not that it loses it's seal. It's that the coffee in there releases co2 which fills up some of that space in the vacuum. That co2 isn't reactive with the coffee, it isn't going to cause it to degrade, and so it makes absolutely no difference if you reseal it.
I've loved my stainless Airscape for the past 4 years, seals are still in great shape thanks to oil keeping them slick and not overwashing that part of the container.
I'd like to see how each does when removing a daily quantity of beans because a mostly empty Airscape will have less actual air than a mostly empty atmos, but a full atmos would have less actual air than a full Airscape due to the vacuum. My guesstimate is that they kinda equal out in the end.
Yeah I need one of these. I have two Fellow Atmos containers and have had a ton of issues with them holding their seal.
I have a larger sized steel airscape and really like it. Decided to get a ceramic medium size one and found it is not nearly as good of a fit for the inner seal. It's very loose fitting with a larger rubber gasket so like you said it's easy to tilt one way and break the seal. Just pushing or pulling on it too fast can break the seal. The steel one was better fitted and actually seemed like it sealed better.
I haven't tried the glass. Do you find the ceramic and glass are both loose? Maybe you should try a steel one too and see how they compare.
I’ve used Atmos for a while now.
Been questioning keeping them around, as I don’t really use them anymore. Keeping coffee on the bag but using a hair tie or rubber band to keep the air out has worked great.
I used a displacement container with a valve for two years daily in 2020 and earlier this year, the feedback when closing/sealing & opening them is satisfying AF. I’d store a months worth of beans at max.
Crema in espresso vs using a plastic container was substantially better even just after a week. Interesting observations on degassing. I had never thought of that! I’d be interested to see a coffee tested 7-14-30 days after roasting in bags vs the container in espressos or pour overs.
Yeah I think there’s still a lot of possible tests to be done, in terms of longer and maybe shorter term storage.
Well dang, hadn't heard of the Atmos issues before this video. Told my wife about them when she was wondering about a Christmas gift idea for me. Fingers crossed if she got one its a good one.
Good quality video! I think I'm going for the Airscape for the convenience factor
Bought the "Kilo" in matte Black. Love the large capaciuty, as my favorite coffee comes in 2 lb bags,
Thank you for such a useful video.
I just purchased the airscape after doing research like you did. I bought the metal container because I like keeping my beans in the dark, like my soul😉
As always, really great content! What would you think about not fully press down the seal and stopp like an inch before you hit the coffee? Could that lead to an "improvement"?
Saw this product in your recent video and was hoping to see a review on it. Thank you!
I use my airscapes for "long term" storage (5+ days). Since I roast my own I have my current use product in a 1 pint mason jar, and when that empties I decant the 7" airscape as a refill. I use a second 4" airscape for espresso roast storage with no decanting or separate container.
I got one for free from my work when we moved locations and got rid of excess merchandise, extremely glad I picked it up.
I've noticed that my Atmos pops the green button quicker with fresh, new coffee and needs re-sealing but as time goes by this lessens which I've put it down to off-gassing of the beans. I've been using the atmos since you reviewed it and I'm impressed enough that this video reminded me that I had intended to order another, which I've just done. Thanks for emptying my wallet again Spro! :)
Yeah I had noticed the same thing with the Atmos, the pressure built up will break the seal eventually. Which I think is why it keeps it pressure instead of a slow degassing, but I think has something to do with it slightly dulling the flavor and aroma
@@Sprometheus I did wonder if it messed with the natural process of de-gassing. Perhaps the trick is to only put the beans in a vacuum container after 7-10 days so that they've been allowed the chance to vent a good proportion of CO2.
I use both as two separate containers when I get a 2 lbs bag (family drinks a lot of espresso bevs), with the atmos being small in size and the airscape being larger. I start with airscape and finish the rest of the coffee beans from the atmos. The flavors end up being pretty comparable. The airscape needs some room at the top to let air out and plunge the seal so that's why overflow goes to the atmos.
Not a bad way to go about it, especially since I find the Atmos seems to be a bit better on the longer term.
The Atmos has to speed up CO2 release in comparison to the others, because it’s a vacuum. In the containers with simple one-way valves the gas has to build up before it’s released, in the Atmos the gas wants to leave the beans as fast as possible to equalize.
That is you absolute anecdotal statement without science. Vaccum doesn't suck out CO2 as you seen from the video. It retains it. Vaccum also doesn't suck out the aroma. Aroma and CO2 is only effected by the oxygen. Not vaccum.
I'd say it's the opposite (as eluded to in the video). If you think about it, Once the empty space in an Atmos is filled with CO2, the beans will stop off gassing as there is nowhere for the gas to go. With something like an Airscape, once the empty space is filled with CO2, the pressure release valve just releases CO2 whenever the beans offgas.
@@fuzziestlumpkin but the atmos always has a vacuum
When the little vacuum marker pops back up just pump the air out and its a vacuum again
@iSchmidty13 If you micro manage it like that, then you may be correct that you can draw more CO2 out with an Atmos... but watching your coffee bean canister so that you can depressurise it whenever any pressure builds up seems like a bit much to me. Maybe I'm not committed enough and should just stick to the bag from the roaster ;)
Have the stainless ones, larger than the one you got, perfect for one bag, the top lid seal seems to loosen up over time but the bottom lid the important one holds strong. I like how you can put some painters tape over the top or side unlike the Fellow one, due to the material to write some words on them. Also can put a hario coffee scoop between the two lids to store. Works great but hoping someone make an affordable single dose like the Weber Bean Cellar. Definitely want to predose every weekend as opposed to doing it daily. Too tired in the morning.
Been using the stainless Airscape for years and it is still in great condition. I have the smaller one for 1/2 lb and I use the coffee in a week. Flavor seems to peak on day 4 after roast.
Thanks for this video, this made me decide to go with the Airscape instead of the Atmos
On my second Atmos lid and it again doesn't keep the seal overnight. Might go back to the Airscape, which is what I had before but gave it away when I got the Atmos. Thanks for the comparison vid!
Nice! I have this, the one from Miir and the Coffeevac. I'm curious on your take with the Coffeevac containers as it's supposed to let air out and keep it out!
Great video fun and informative, cool tunes, nice videography. I use a glass Mason or Ball canning jar
I use the weber workshop coffee vaults (plastic version, I'm not rich). I would be interested in how these would compare to the atmos and airscape. I like the single dose aspect as I can pre-weigh an 18 g dose that I use for both espresso and filter (yay workflow!). It is a little different than the the other two methods in that there is no evacuation, just a one way valve. In my head there isn't much room in the tubes for air and eventually it gets displaced w/CO2 during off gassing and you only re-expose the beans to poison air right before grinding. I have a few atmos' and while the hiss is undoubtedly satisfying, I got tired of cranking that lid, workflow again.
Also, interesting finding on the atmos beans having more CO2! That is not what I would expect considering it is putting the beans under negative pressure which I thought would speed up the off-gassing.
I’ve got both, bought the small sizes because they hold what I can roast on my Hottop also bought them because I was tired of cleaning out my valve bags. The Atmos has been a dissapointment from the start. I find the seal very temperamental and often find that it has released itself. The other point I’d like to contribute is being older and starting to experience arthritis in my hands, the twisting of the Atmos top is fatiguing. The Airscape is definitely easier on the hands except for the top which seals so well its sometimes is a struggle to remove. I don’t think my post roast weights of 185 or so grams last long enough to worry about freshness so I can’t comment on that. Cheers.
Useful video. Thank you.
Thanks Cheekster, cheers!
Having used both the Airscape and the Atmos, I find the Airscape easier and more pleasurable to use. Considering that I finish my coffee beans quickly I feel the difference is negligible. Having said that Spro’s theory is interesting although I would imagine it may work on certain beans and not others?
I store my beans in a ceramic jar with a silicone seal. Long term storage isn't an issue as I use about 300gm of beans a week. My fortnightly coffee subscription of 500gm of beans, means I need a 250gm top-up every month to get through. No beans get old in my house. When I take coffee to work to use with the Picopresso, I vacuum seal my 17gm of ground coffee in little bags. They go in my dark desk drawer, and these are good for about 4 days.
No surprise to me that the Atmos makes the coffee a bit duller. When I was home roasting and thirsty I tried to accelerate the degassing by putting the coffee beans in a vacuum chamber. Barely even took it to half an atmosphere for 5 minutes, but that was enough to get rid of most of the bloom, the carbonic acid flavor, and a lot of the clarity with it. I've later talked with Tim Wendelboe who says he sometimes does the same with a manually vacuum pumped lunchbox and gets the same result.
Maybe the duller taste from the Atmos has to do with the effect of the vacuum on coffee volatiles. The lower pressure from the vacuum will pull out CO2, but it will also likely pull out the volatile aromatic compounds from the coffee (if you can smell it in the canister, then it won't make it to the cup). The Airscape just removes headspace so aromatics aren't being yanked from the beans, and keep a high partial pressure of CO2 and volatiles with the reduced headspace.
I'm with you on the bag, it's a bit of a pain to make sure it's sealed properly, and I find it more difficult to single dose from multiple times a day than a canister and a scoop.
But I'm happy with a few Airscapes and Coffeevacs for my purchased and home-roasted beans. Each has been durable, have one-way valves, and are cost effective.
I would be curious to have a true scientist test the effects of the vacuum valve on the coffee, but I’m with you ink thinking that has to be the culprit as it seems to be the only negligible difference between the two containers.
I use large Airscape to store 1kg of bean. I only open it once every week or so, when I fill my single dose tubes. I dont notice drop in quality like when I keep the bean in the hopper, or when I open the container daily. I'm happy with my Airscape and single dosing routine.
I do use an Airscape for the last 4 years (actually, I use 2: one for coffee, one for tea) and it works great since day one
Love my Airscapes. I have 6 of them. I'd have an Atmos but I've seen too many failures with them. A roommate of mine had his seal fail after 2 weeks and the warranty replacement lasted 3 months. I also have other friends that have had issues with them.
It’s pretty interesting to hear these stories. I had 4 of them for a couple years, at this point only one has failed, but after sharing them on my review I’ve been in emailed countless times with horror stories and thought I should see what else is out there. Glad to hear people who are early adopters if the Airscape are happy.
@@Sprometheus 25% failure is really bad in itself. I could see that with a decent product after years of use. I'd love to see Fellow's data on warranties. And we can't know what has failed out of warranty. But I'd love to see the 3 and 5 year reliability of these things.
i have a glass flower vase with a smooth round top that easily holds a 1 pound coffee bag and a vacuum sealing lid that releases and reseals when ever i need to grind the beans. Takes less then 2 minutes put in the bag and suck out the air and the vacuum holds for a lot of days. Any unopened bags will be vacuum sealed in vacuum sealing bags and stored in a cool place.
I’ve had two atoms lids that have ceased to work so I’m stoked to maybe try the airscape
Definitely a lot less to go wrong with them that’s for sure. Seems folks who’ve had them much longer than me really find them pretty flawless.
Hi! Thanks for the review. I just bought an electric self-vacuuming canister called Soul Hand. It’s a nice canister in that it self vacuums whenever the beans releases carbon or when it de-gases. Do you have any opinion on this type of activity by the canister? Shouldn’t some of that carbon be retained in the coffee or is it a benefit that the canister releases it when the beans de-gases as you pointed out that the airscape traps the carbon gas the beans are releasing? It would be nice if you can review the product. Thanks for all the videos you have made. They are very informative.
Thanks for the content! How about resting freshly roasted beams in the Airscape? Tks
I´ve ssen Airscape and Atmos in many videos on YT, not so much being present in Instagram postings. I´m using the ziplock bags the coffe is sold in as it rarely takes me more than 2 weeks to finish up a 250g bag.
The Real Sprometheus - I think there are 2 factors we should take into consideration:
-oxidation (which Atmos seems to do better by removing the air)
-slowing down the CO2 release (which Atmos is speeding up by creating a vacuum)
It's not speeding up, though. It showed higher C02 levels.
Atmos acknowledged a lid issue, not maintaining the vacuum.
Interesting observation…I store my coffee beans in Fellow Atoms in a cold cellar (super cold in parts of Canada), and it has prolonged preservation. Haven’t tried putting the Atmos it in the freezer cause maybe the beans will get freezer burn…and same time not fully practical unless you wear gloves. However worth mulling till Fellow innovates their canister.
Hey @spro - So, I guess my question is this: Does the Airscape have a Co2 de-gassing valve built into that lid?
There should be a happy medium somewhere. Coffee bags have the valve, but don't flush out the air/O2, and like you said, some don't reseal/seal well enough. The Atmos takes out the air, but I wonder about the C02 off-gassing without a valve. It seems like what you are saying is that any C02 is able to escape out of the Airspace.
My first coffee canister was a simple canister with a valve at the top. (but no displacement of air inside)
Then I got the Airscape and saw an improvement.
Then I jumped on the 'Fellow-oh-so-cool-and-shiny-and-new' bandwagon and got two Atmos. One has failed on me. (Don't get me started on Fellow,...especially regarding their stock burrs for the ODE). Anyway,...yeah, for me so far, the Airscape has been the best.
I also have a vacuum food sealer with an retractable handheld sealer that I think would be perfect if I could find a container big enough that would be compatible.
...always trying to improve.
I use a standard vacuum bag system, put 100 gms per bag. Once vac’d and sealed it’s in the freezer so a 1kg bag doesn’t go to waste, I use approx 80 to 100gms per day.
I have an Airscape in brushed steel, 500g with plastic lid. Mine doesn't have the name labelled on the side and there's no lock symbol inside. I think I have an older variant. Of course there's the patent on the bottom and the name of the product.
I mean, it certainly is a way to store coffee but I find myself having to slowly pull on the "plunger" every morning while half asleep before running to work. As for freshness, I guess it does make a small difference in daily affairs even though I haven't fully observed how quickly beans usually go stale. I'd say after a few weeks or so in the Airscape, only then does the espresso become soupy. Taste wise, it retains the same flavour but then again I drink them the day after roasting because time constraints.
Sometimes I wonder if the Airscape is properly sealed when I push the thing down, hoping it makes good contact along the walls and the coffee. And sometimes I wonder if I made the right choice when I chose this over the Atmos (mainly it was due to local availability). At least the Airscape pushes the air out, which can't be said of mason jars and the other questionable "coffee canisters" on Amazon.
Thanks for doing a bit on this, I think I needed some reassurance about my purchase. After all, freshness was indeed the main priority in the first place.
I've use both, like many here. Fellows has had production issues; Airscape none. I think both work great for short term storage.
Thats a fact. I still use them both, though the Fellows have been relegated to kitchen duty for dry goods like pasta, cereal, etc.
I just keep the beans in the resealable bags with one way valves. I keep one to two of these just in case a coffee I buy doesn’t come in a resealable bag, but most roasters have switched by now. Also I just buy 250g to 500g bags which makes it easier to have fresh coffee. Just got to know again what stale coffee tastes like from my espresso Christmas calendar. 24 different coffees can‘t just all be roasted and shipped 2 weeks before the 1st of december.
Have you done a test with a vacuum bag sealer (food saver) to split say a 5lb bag for longer storage and cost savings? This would allow 8-16 oz portions to be used as the others stay in storage.
My 1st Atmos broke on day 2. I'm not feeling so fuzzy about the replacement after watching this.
I seal my bags very well and it’s free 🤘🏽
I only put coffees in my atmos that are almost ready to brew with due to the fact that it slows down the co2 release. This kind of mitigates the problem. If I was to store right off roast to drink over time I’d opt to use the airscape
Only interesting thing I have to add is that I usually wait till a coffee is a week off-roast before I drink it. I prefer lighter roasts and I've heard a number of roasters suggest this waiting time. I think it has helped me get more consistent brews. I feel like it's probably due to the bed just not going crazy releasing all those gasses and fighting against your efforts to extract a dense light-roasted coffee.
Other than that, I'll drink a 10-12oz bag of coffee in 10 days or so, so storage is rarely an issue. I just leave it in the bag. Sometimes I keep special coffees or backup bags in the freezer.
Degassing is a common thing, and all coffees, brew methods and drinks are different on what they like to do in that respect. I don’t usually open a sealed bag until I’m ready to start drinking it, then it goes into a storage container.
Yes, I roast my own coffee, too, and have found allowing it to rest for 7 days before drinking gives a much more flavorful and nuanced taste. I used wait only 2 to 3 days of rest time to maximize freshness, but the added 4 days gives a better cup. I have both the Atmos and the Airscape. I'll pay closer attention to see which one gives me a better result...
What are your thoughts on using clear plastic or glass on these containers and light hitting the beans? As long as there ain’t direct sunlight it should be okay ?
Bought the old outdated design with bamboo lid. Bought them on massive discounts will be adding various sizes. I like small to use for daily operation and larger ones for bulk storage. I buy coffee from overseas and store them for consumption year round because no coffee beats our local coffee from Sagada for me.
My stainless airscape is getting on to 10 years old and still works great. Glad I didn’t jump on the Atmos bandwagon.
Wow, a decade! Good to hear that.
10 years....Wow ! that sounds impressive. Thanks.
So I've found somewhat similar, but also different findings than you. I can easily agree with less CO2 in the AirScape vs Atmos. However, I've found overall that my Atmos preserves the flavors better, as well. I have found in my AirScapes that each seal is not as tight, though one is better than the other... They both came as they are, so one didn't loosen up from aging unless it was very old before I bought it, maybe.
I also have a gripe about the AirScape marketing it is a one-way valve. It is not. It is a mesh screen in a hole in the lid, that lets air out when you press the lid down, and then when you turn the handle it closes the hole. It's similar but not really the same as a one-way valve in a coffee bag. The AirScape valve does not let air in OR out when the handle is down. So if your coffee builds up gas because it's extra fresh, then where does that pressure go? I have found it sneaks around the not-quite-tight-enough gasket. You can even smell the aroma in the top compartment , which if there was a perfect seal you really shouldn't. This is where I've noticed a loss in flavor compared to the Atmos, I think, as it's just not as good of a seal.
The AirScape is still pretty good though, and there is an upside to the degassing, especially if you're going to use the beans quickly enough not to worry about oxidation as much.
One possibly confounding variable is that my Atmos is smaller than either AirScape (though I think I have the smallest size available of each container). Therefore there is simply more air in the AirScape, given the same amount of coffee beans. Maybe if AirScape had a true one-way valve and beefed up the outer gasket, it may not have had as clear of an issue for me.
I had various issues with the Atmos containers as much as I wanted to like them I just couldn't. Been using Airscapes for years and they never have issues. The ones I have are the steel ones. I really wanted to like the ceramic versions but the seals didnt seem the same.
I have an Atmos. I have noticed as well it keeps the coffee fresh longer, however the taste does become dull.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who’s has this experience!
As a filter-only coffee brewer, I hardly ever see the need for such storage solutions because I typically finish my coffees within a month and a half after roast. Where I am, most coffee bags come in a resealable bag, so I stick to those!
The atmos should allow for offgassing still doesn't it? It just breaks the vacuum seal when it happens no? I haven't had one but heard people say it does that. I have a similar vacuum container where it has a little built in button pump.
I've heard the theory that the vacuum may force the gasses out of the beans and affect flavour that way I wonder if that's what happened and why airscape was superior. I could do my own test and see if we get similar results. So far haven't really done a side by side comparison and really paid attention.
Do you use a canister in the freezer or just keep in the bag? Thanks…
I have a prepara "evak" from amazon which is very similar to this.
Yes, the bag is the best. Just leave it there. Roll up the bag tight to get most of the air out and put a rubber band around it. Use all coffee in about 2 weeks. If you're not going to use it, freeze it or give to someone and make them happy. The end.
I would agree the bag is a great upon until the seal is broken. I don’t think a rubber band would keep it all that fresh over the coarse of a week or two. But every coffee is different so if it works for you that’s all that matters.
Can the small 250g size fit 250g of coffee beans in it or does the inner lid take up space? Trying to decide whether to get the small or medium size.
If I'm consuming my bags of coffee within two weeks, would something like this actually help? I like the concept and aesthetics, but I can't bring myself to justify the purchase
I use a Foodsaver vacuum/sealer pump with Tilia rigid vacuum storage containers to store my roasts as soon as they are cool . Coffee is typically consumed before 30 days. I'm roasting a lb every 2 weeks and only purchase green beans. I use a La Pavoni Europicolla on the other end. Perfect shots every morning!
Vacuum storage is the only way to go!
Thanks I am trying to work out if l should get the Airscape or the vacuum sealed storage. There is an ongoing cost with the bags though
I’ve had the same airscape for a couple of years now, opening and closing at least 5 times a week and haven’t had any issues with seal or freshness. Then again, a bag of coffee rarely lasts me more than 10 days. The atmos just seemed to fussy for me.
Atmos make just a bit vacuum in container, with that kind of lid. So there are still plenty of air inside. However it looks nicer than airscape.
I have a bit of the best of both worlds, and I don't need any special containers to do it. Get out a one-gallon freezer (not storage) clear plastic baggie. Squeeze all the air out of the coffee bag you can and stick it inside the baggie. While holding the coffee bag closed, zip the baggie except for the last corner. Stick a durable straw, like the stainless steel one I use, into the corner of the baggie straight down. Now, suck out the air through the straw while removing the straw and sealing the last little bit as the straw exits the baggie. There you have it - a close to vacuum seal that can expand with degassing of the beans.
Random question: What do you do with remaining beans at the end of a batch that don't add up to a full dose? Say you have 10g of beans at the end of a batch, do you add them to your next bag of coffee, throw it out? just curious! thanks so much!
I have so many different little brew methods I often find some way to use it. My favorite small batch brews are Aeropress and the April Dripper.
Have used the Fellow Atmos for some time for short-term coffee storage (10-14 days) for some time. Have had zero issues with the system; coffee remains fresh tasting (and behaving the same for grinding and extraction) during this time. The complaints about the Atmos not keeping a vacuum may be misinterpreted: While you can pull a pretty good vacuum initially, the out-gassing of CO2 reduces the level of vacuum, but because CO2 is protective of the coffee (no oxygen) this does not matter at all. It's CO2 in there, not oxygen.
I think a lot of users are aware that the degassing CO2 does slowly release the seal. The problem is the lids either bit sealing, or holding a seal for only a short time as they can be faulty. A user had emailed me about their experiences ordering a few of them with lids that won’t seal, received replacements, only a couple of them would seal, opened up and found different sized seals in the ones that don’t work. They informed Fellow and according to the user (who gains nothing from lying to me) said they told him they knew about the issue.
This isn’t to say they don’t work well when they work, but I don’t think there much if any misinterpretation there.
when's the next simple plan gig? (sorry, couldn't help myself. Nice video.)
I was on team airscape but this last year I have gone team fellow. I think it does keep the coffee fresh. But it does add a bit more work to my morning flow at 4:30am. The airscap was easer and faster.
It definitely is much easier to use. What made you want to switch it up?
@@Sprometheus the promise longer lasting coffee and the fellow hype train. To be honest I am bit over fellow. I do not know if I switch back tho.
Wouldn't leaving the handle of the Airscape in the up position allow the coffee to degass but closing it in the down position would cut off the one-way valve from degassing? Not sure I quite understand why the Airscape would allow degassing otherwise.
I'm pretty sure Spro didn't describe the functionality of the seals correctly. It's actually the outer seal that's the one way valve, not the center holes. These are intended to allow air to enter the container when you want to remove the piston/lid. Otherwise it would be stuck at the bottom (try lifting it without uprighting the handle, keeping both holes closed. No go).
I keep open coffee what I can consume in the next 3 days. Usually that is a half of a bag. Other half goes into freezer. That way I always have fresh coffee on my table.
Have the airscape.. not really sure if it keeps the air out. whenever i push down the sealing cap with the handle, at the middle portion i just slides down. Unlike when starting at the top, you can feel a resistance from the air escaping, but at the middle, nothing.
The way I see it, a one way airlock allows not only CO2 itself to escape but for it to push out the air that's trapped between the beans, leaving them in an anaerobic environment of just CO2 which is better for preventing oxidation. This is the reason people use those airlocks on their jars when fermenting food, which releases CO2.
It sure appears that having a release is a key to maintaining that freshness and flavor over just freshness
Interesting video. But I'm missing the 3-way blind taste test. Bias is tricky to overcome, and blind testing forces an honest review.
I like my bag and trusty old Ikea clips. The only reason I'd buy one of these is aesthetics...
I usually roast my own coffee weekly and put in mason jar. Been fine for years, but I’m think about going to an air scape to test
so what about a good old mason jar if you're using all your coffee within 3 weeks of roast?
How do you not have a link to the product in your description? :D No kickback URL to get you some money from us?
Haha well this isn’t a paid product placement, but I should have a link. I’ll add one once I’m back in front of a computer, out for a coffee at the moment.
I use the bag. It has a zipper lock system and I always burp the bag when closing. It seems to do the trick. However, I've been wanting a proper container such as one of these, but just find it hard to justify spending the money on something that I essentially get for free when I buy my 1lb bags of coffee. Christmas is coming, though. Maybe Santa is listening...
The atmos is perfect for me as I dont freeze coffee and I like to have a few different choices available at any time so don't get through individual bags as quick. Also great for decaf which I like to have on hand but drink at a much slower rate than anything else. Never had an issue with the lids on mine, seems I was lucky though!
I was pretty lucky too with my Atmos lids, in the four that I own over the last couple years only one has gone weird on me.
I just had one lady go bad on me today. The Atmos is two weeks old. Hence, the appropriate timing for this video.
I wonder with the Atmos if it would increase the rate of degassing due to the vacuum as well as volatile compounds that we want to stay in the coffee. Might be the reason it lacked something compared to the airscape?
In video review some of storage coffee bottle of jame hoffman, in the end he say that coffee in the fellow release co2 so the green ring on follow off, he say that it will happen in frist week but it not the problem
From all the testing I've seen it does not increase the rate of degassing.
I think it might? Hard to say, one of those things that’s hard to prove or test.
@@centuruslee I think this is true with a perfectly functioning Atmos. Having stored coffee straight from the roaster I’ve had some pop out and others not. Hard to know if it’s a failure in the lid, or what it might not be, the issue in the end is inconsistency.
This noise thing….!!!!🤣🤣🤣
Now I see myself doing “shhhhhhh” when opening my coffee bags…!!!
Haha it’s true, I just love those noises!
You got a high gloss today, like you got a new wax job...
Nice video
Need to get a few more subs so I can afford a makeup and film crew
@@Sprometheus Botox is not cheap you need Patreon 😂
Could you please review the new Linea Mini R?
The glass Airscape would be best tu avoid and go for tut metal ones instead as the glass ones let in sunlight which may have affected the co2. The metal ones also seem tu have a better suction seal than the glass and ceramic for some reason
I got a bangin deal on a large solid black Airscape from Bicycle Coffee. Let's me order 5lb bags and save money and really works incredibly well.
Did anyone use the Evak Fresh canisters? Same concept as the Airscape for less.
I have these cheap airtight containers from a discount store that I got for $5 but as they break, I am thinking about getting the Airscape. Interestingly I feel that the coffees I get with resealable bags keep fresh longer than the generic containers I have now. Maybe they aren't so airtight after all. I guess that is what I get for being a cheapskate.