I would say to anyone who doubts the higher-end stones and whether it matters, do this: If you've been using low-end stuff, great. It works, it gets you good edges, awesome. But just to see how the other half lives, I suggest you invest, so to speak, in a cheap King 1000. Price-wise it's really down in the cheapie range. But the feel! Smooth, silky, and if you've wondered what the deal is with "feedback" that people talk about, you'll be able to see that if you're riding the shoulder, if you're flat on the bevel, or if you're up too high on the cutting edge, the stone will tell you that because the feel will be different. It's like having another set of eyes. There really is a difference with those higher-end, name-brand stones. I've seen this in all kinds of skills-fishing, photography, music, skiing, pretty much everything. Skills are paramount. Work on your skills, and you can make the cheapest gear sing. But if you want to give yourself every advantage, sure, get yourself a couple of those nice stones. No rush, but if you have a couple of extra bucks, just try it and see if what people say isn't true.
I’ve been using Shapton stones since 2011. I use a Trend Diamond stone to keep them flat. I have stones starting with 500 grit to 16,000 grit. The combination with the Trend is EXCELLENT. Rob Cosman advocates them for plane irons and chisels. I also use them for draw knives, spoke shaves, carving knives, kitchen knives, hunting knives, and everyday carry knives. I even use them for restoring blades for utility knives. I’ve sold all my water stones and use the Shaptons exclusively for everything but carbide. And yes, the feel IS buttery. The white ceramic really gives feedback on how much pressure required for appropriate abrasive action. The results are absolutely mind blowing! Have fun and prepare to be spoiled!
I'm really pleased with this! It works like a charm ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxDcr-y2Pf6xdnrFHrSP7dl9kpKaCozcSQ Takes less time than my old electric sharpener because it can take more off the knife faster, and then it smooths out nicely with the finer grit polisher. I don't know how long it will last before the grit wears away, but I wouldn't mind having to replace it every once in a while.
@@densistasonen well that's Canada... Canadians need to support their business, you should find a great business in YOUR country... that's how this works
Congratulations Kyle, and keep on producing your excellent videos and tutorials. Nice to see a Canadian perspective. Like you,,I also deal with PaulsFinest and the service and prices there are second to none in my opinion. I recently bought a bunch of Shapton Glass stones from Pauls, including the 320/1k/4k/8k, as well as the Shapton Diamond Glass Lapping Plate, and the Shapton stone holder. At first I was hesitant about getting the stone holder, especialy since I already have the Naniwa stone holder, but I decided to splurge and give it a go, and I'm so glad I did. That base is rock-solid,,, and ZERO slipping or rocking,,,the rubber grips the kitchen-counter so solidly, you'd think the base was bolted to the counter. Beautiful. Next month, I'm hoping to add a few more Shapton Glass stones to my collection,,,probably the 2k/6k. and 10k stones. Keep up the great work Kyle, and I'll be looking forward to more of your videos in the near future. Cheers, Bob
I did a little research and my got my first stone, the Shapton glass 1000 for my birthday, and haven't used it yet. I'm new to hand sharpening and just wanted to say thanks for putting this out there and giving me some confidence and inspiration to get after and start maintaining my knives myself. Keep it up!
Watch a lot of sharpening content as I'm just getting into the hobby, and your videos are the best by a country mile. I really appreciate how you don't buy into that consumer elitist mindset and it shows through in your down-to-earth commentary. Thank you!
I really like my shapton glass stones...I sharpen mainly my plane irons and chisels on them for fine woodworking. I use a CBN wheel on my bench grinder to establish a primary bevel then start honing on the 1000. Once you establish a secondary bevel on the 1000 you can go straight to the 16000 then just a few strokes on the back (I use the Charlesworth ruler trick for a back bevel on my plane irons) to remove any burr that remains. My irons shave hair off my arm easily, and they can pull a shaving not much more than 1/1000 of an inch thick, leaving the surface of the wood ready to receive a finish without sanding. I flatten the stones at every use as a flat stone is critical for sharpening plane irons and bench chisels.
Kyle, I just watched several of your sharpening videos and have enjoyed your explanations of different stones. This video was a lot of fun as you were trying out the Shapton stones and getting excited about the feel of each one. Man, I could hear the sound as you would make each pass, it made me want to get out some of my gear and sharpen my pocket knives. Thanks Kyle for the education, entertainment and the inspiration you instill.
I recently purchased a shapton glass 3000 to use as a finisher. I'm absolutely loving it so far! I was finishing on arkansas for many years before this.
Rediscovered this gem after watching Alex Garland and Pete put out a whole bunch of videos on the different Shapton stones. Finally took the plunge and bought a Kuromaku and with tips from their videos and yours I'm finally getting a good edge on my blades. I ordered an Naniwa to try out as well. Thanks so much for sharing.
Stick with Shapton and stay away from Naniwa Pro stones. They will crack on you even if you care for them properly. King and Suehiro are great stones too
I have Shapton Glass 1000/6000/16000 stones, and I like them, but I like my Yaxell 3000/8000 stone more. It allowed me to fix the tip of a Yaxell knife 61 HRC (You don't repair blades on 3000 grit, but it was the only stone I had with me, and it worked in reasonable time). I was impressed by the cutting speed, and I like the stone feedback. The stone is softer, and it gives more friction than Shapton, but it feels like the perfect feedback of a sharpening stone.
Very new to sharpening (gives me something to do in retirement) Your video was very informative and one of the best I have watched, Thank you for the tutorial, it will be helpful in my purchasing stones going forward.
youve been a huge inspiration to me over the past few months. im going to start making my first knife! im just going to start from a pice of 01 steel and use a saw, drill, and files and do it all by hand. i figure, if i cant enjoy that process and finish it, than maybe its not for me. but i would love to become a full on knife hobbiest. and maybe one day sell some of my work, keep it up buddy! youre making a difference in the world with your positivity.
Great video Kyle. I have been looking at Shaptpn Glass Stones. I’ve been hand sharpening for a few years and recently been restoring old hand planes and chisels. The Shaptons are really nice. Thanks
LOL way to funny. im the same way with the paper test! I started a year ago free hand & I love to see a knife work after my effort in sharpening it. thx for sharing kyle. absolutely 1 of my fav. chans. to watch & learn from.
I recently got into knife collecting and sharpening followed close behind. I am glad to see a fellow canuck enjoying what I do . I had no idea glass stone existed! How awesome are those? Wow!
Good video. I totally agree that you can get fine results with inexpensive gear and a little know-how. But those glass stones are very beautiful. Greetings from Southern California.
Those are crazy stones, the sound ringing from them is unbelievable, they must be a pleasure to use, there's nothing that high end in my sharpening box and probably won't be for many years to come but I'd sure love to try them. Cheers till the next one bud.
Love your videos. Thank you. Iv'e loved knives my whole life, i just never knew how to sharpen them until I came across your channel. After a couple of your videos all my knives became 10x sharper. Thanks from California.
Just the sound of the stones you can hear the consistency of the grit and how smooth they are, I was amazed especially with the 4000 grit how much material was left on the one pass, those stones your grand kids will use and pass on, I myself having been free hand sharpening for the last couple years can really appreciate stones such as those, I recently picked up the king kds 1000/6000 and it works very well but I know my next step from here is going to be shapton glass, I do enough sharpening they will be worth the investment but may take awhile haha they do cost a pretty penny, love your channel brother. -Kyle
Thanks for the comment my friend. I'm glad you're perfecting the art of freehand. The kings are great stones, especially for the relatively low cost. I really love the naniwa stones as well, which I think are a step above king and maybe most others! The shapton glass stones are amazing though.
I was going off the DMT double sided diamond set to my shapton 4k, 6k and 8k and it just took too long to get a razors edge so I had to drop the DMT's for 800 grit Naniwa Chosera and 2k Naniwa and what a difference that made...I was definitely impressed with the 320 Shapton you demonstrated and would probably get me a quicker cut initially so I may have to get me one. I agree the shapton 4, 6, and 8k are nice for polishing grits and love what they do to a prime rib talk about buttery smooth slices. Thanks for the vid
90 percent of the honing I do is on razors and while I've got a nice progression of Naniwas, I have been a Jnat fiend for a few years now and I've just started using my lower grit synthetic (8k and under) stones to attack the knives around home. I've been trying so hard to not buy anything new but the Shapton glass stones have been eyeballing me for years and I might just have to visit Paul's Finest sooner than later. The pure joy on your face while using them tells me all I need to know. Lol
I've really been looking at maybe getting a set of Shapton Glass Stones to go with my KME for those times when I want something a little finer than the diamond stones I'm using now which top out at 8,000 grit. Or maybe the Shapton Professional Series stones, I haven't decided. You can also get an aftermarket stone holder & guide rod for the KME that uses stones designed for the Edge Pro system. That one also increases the size of the knives that can be sharpened on the KME a bit as well. Decisions, decisions...
Interesting, I too make knives and sharpen professionally, I mostly use guided systems, except for scandi edges, I like your stone holder and have been toying with the idea of getting some more stones, I usually use diamonds as they don’t wear very much, but ceramic could be an option too. Cheers
I bought a £12 made in China 1000/6000. Probably about on the same level as Sharp Pebble. A little on the soft side but when I mentioned that in my review they sent me a 400/1000 for free. And for subscribing to their email newsletter they sent me a free flattening stone. I don't have any super high hardness knives but they have done just fine. I'm not spending £200 to sharpen a £40 knife.
I learned as kid to sharpen on a very exspensive stone i could shave with knife.then i lost that connections an just got aution stone an let me tell you there is a difference.i love to cook an i always told everyone you cant be a great cook without a knife you can shave with to make beautiful slices that cooks through the same
Thanks for all the content you put out! Im just getting into sharpening and a nice set of glass stones is next. Just wanted to say thanks your videos they help me out so much!!
SiC and AlO *are* ceramics and with 9-9.5 on the Mohs scale, they are very hard indeed. The *ceramic* in the _Ha no Kuromaku_ stones refers to how they are made and not to the hardness of the abrasive. Whereas cheaper stones are made from a mixture of abrasive powder and a binder, which is then baked like a brick, so-called *ceramic* stones use less/different binding agent and are most often sintered. Thus, the cheap stones are much softer and dish out more quickly, whereas the ceramic stones are much harder and do not dish out as fast; regardless of the actual hardness of the abrasive used.
It's like meditation watching you sharpen that knive. Tried myself and found I'm not consistent with the angles, especially on the belly of the blade. But I keep trying. Regards from Germany.
Hi Kyle... Firstly thank you for the content, I am new to your channel but I love the no nonsense approach you have and it's sort of like talking to a buddy down the pub :) Secondly I have a small(?) request... would it be at all possible if you could do a video on which Shapton stones you would buy if you were starting out? I am new to whetstone sharpening and have been looking at buying a few (I live in the UK so I can't use your recommended retailer however I can source the Shapton stones). There is so much information and various types of stones that I am completely overwhelmed with all the choice. The stones in question would be used for kitchen knives and pocket knives (so nothing professional at all) so I am thinking of the Shapton Pro Stone 320 (BlueBlack) but after that I am not sure if I should stick with "normal" stones or buy the Shapton Glass ones and even then there are multiple different types etc. Thanks for reading this comment and I look forward to all your future content.
I have wondered about these stones since I first started using EDC knives and specialty knives. I really wish you had shown a close-up of that final mirror edge. I'm disappointed that wasn't shown at all.
Do you have any advice for how to resurface the ceramic stones after creating a noticeable hollow? I recently bought some Shapton ceramic stones and I was sharpening a round skive on the 320 and ended up with a hollow. Is it the same for most types of stones?
Aren't those Naniwa choosera/Professional stones, the 400 and the 3000#? As the colour and thickness corresponds to the Choosera/Professional. The Super stones from Naniwa are usually only 1 cm thick and under 3000# way too soft in my opinion. I know it was possible to find Superstones in 2 cm thickness as well for a while, but on this side of the pond they have totally disappeared. The Shapton Kuromaku is as well called the Shapton Pro and the Pro line from Shapton is a quite affordable and great lineup compared to the Shapton Glass. But they don't give as much feedback from my point of view as a Shapton Glass. But they cut very fast and are extremely hard, so almost never needed to flatten one. Great stuff and great video, Kyle! Happy sharpening, can't wait to seeing some new sharpening videos from your new workshop. 👌🔪
when i growed up i was taken to barber he always had leather an hit the knife on that an shave the guys with straight edge.i asked why you do that he said get all burs off they will pull the hair instead of cutting the hair
Kyle, I know you're pretty fussy about your stones. One tip I might give you after polishing/sharpening a lot of metal in my day is to never co-mingle the different grits or lay finishing stones on any surface that has any dust or debris, like a work bench. Allowing them to touch each other (or your work bench) is predictably asking for a lot of extra work. Roughing stones are not so sensitive, but finer stones are. All stones can pick up grit from rougher stones (or debris) and become part of your slurry when going after a finer finish. You will not see the transfer of grit from stone to another, but why take the chance?
I know exactly what you mean bud! In my case it's a tough call; which adds more work for me? A 'potential' contamination of grit, or the setup each time? Since my shop is loaded with dust and debris.. ultimate, I need a dedicated sharpening station in a clean area
@@kyle_noseworthy Not really, Kyle. Just make sure your stones don't come in contact with each other and always lay the stones on a clean rag when not in use. As an apprentice toolmaker, I had to learn how to polish steel to a mirror finish. I had to make sure that all stones were segregated (by grit) from each other in their own containers so that grit contamination wouldn't take place. I'm not saying it would happen to you but stone segregation is just good shop practice and takes no more time and no more space to do. I don't polish for a living anymore but I never allow my stones to co-mingle....It's just a habit now.
Sharptons are nice. I prefer the Naniwa water stones since I sharpen straight razors, mine go to 12000 grit. The real key is the final stropping to get a smooth sharp edge that isn’t harsh. Try stropping on a fire hose or similar material. For knives yo obviously don’t need the high grits unless you want a mirror polish. Yep the high end stones are really enjoyable. That’s a great looking knife you made.
Which Naniwa? They have a bunch of different sub-brands. I have a Naniwa Super 1k/5k combo stone, I got the 1k Shapton and it's way better than my Naniwa in terms of cutting speed. They do have a 'new' line of Naniwa Super though...Chosera is another Naniwa sub-brand which is supposed to be really good. I have a Naniwa Super (old version) 220 for setting bevels and removing nicks, am tempted to get the Shapton Glass 220...
Wasyl Bakowsky Naniwa water stones all single grits no combos. My set goes to 12,000 because I do mostly straight razor sharpening on them. You need a perfect edge to get a smooth comfortable shave. The trick isn’t just sharp but a smooth non-harsh sharp edge. Once you get good on straight razors knives are relatively easy.
Good review. I bought a 500 Shapton glass stone just to see what the deal is. While Shapton stones are pretty good the glass back does nothing to add to the performance of the sharpening surface. Shapton does this as a sales gimmick, or the glass is cheaper than a thicker stone. From my experience using regular Shapton stones and a glass stone there is no difference in performance. Like I said earlier Shapton stones are a good product.
I bought some glassstones from Lee valley .I want to use auto glass cleaner for spriting the stones as its not supposed to rust the diamond stone. Canadian tire has a brand but not shure if its the right kind. The gold bond brand is really expensive.any ideas.
Would this be a good starter stone as a first one? I had used dmt coarse stones before but assuming i can get away with just this where I am a student who moves a lot and don't wanna lug too much gear
Kyle, now that some time has elapsed, have you tried the Shapton Glass stones on your wood tools? What were your thoughts? Working the Shapton Kuromaku here and don't love the feel of the 5,000 and 12,000 but I'm concerned with the thickness of the Shapton Glass stones
Very nice. I'm looking forward to your videos about those stones. About the Kuromaku stone, that foam is just there to make the wobble as little as possible. I would advise to remove it and leave the still damp stone in the plastic box, as the bottom is designed to let the stone breathe. actually I have a question about ceramic stones in general. How do I keep the lower grit ones biting? I have a 120 ceramic and it is basically as "dull" as a 400-800 grit stone. I have the utensils to get it sharper as it is but it never seems to cut as well as it did before
Your stone is likely loaded up with particle. A good surfacing stone would serve you well, to cut down the surface of your stone slightly and reveal a new cutting face. paulsfinest.com carries those as well if you're interested!
@@kyle_noseworthyThanks for the answer. The thing is, I have a surfacing stone/plate. The large naniwa one to be exact. It does not help at all, as the stone (120 grit) rubs down the surfacing plate (320 grit if I'm not mistaken). Should I just get a dmt diamod plate or atoma plate to get the job done?
@@KingJL25 get some sic powder super cheap and rub the stone on a piece of glass or a tile something that is real flat they have many grit levels of sic powder look on Amazon or ebay works real good for flattening ceramic stones
Love the channel brother, fellow Newfie! I have used Norton and Shapton. I try to hone and keep my straight razors sharp with them so I have the Norton 4K/8K for honing and a Shapton Kurumaktu 12K for finishing, a few strops etc. Keep up the great videos. Ever make your own hone from local stone? I think that is my next project
Just had this video recommended to me again. Watched it when it first came out. Is the 1k glass and the 320 stone you are using in your videos now the same ones that you got here, or have you replaced them since then? If they are the same then they last quite a long time.
The 1000 leaves a little tooth on the edge if you cut meat the 1 is better than the 4 unless the meat is almost frozen firm if it is a little soft the toothy edge nodes better
Seems like they are great stones. Am a bit afraid to find out the price. Very good review and really liked the way you explained the paper cutting. Guess I will go check them out thanks for sharing and the explanation.
Appreciate your video, I am looking at the spyderco ceramic. What's your opinion on this and what would you suggest medium or fine grit on this stone? I'm looking for general use for touching up kitchen knives and my everyday pocket knife. I'm not a professional like yourself so I don't want to invest too much. Thanks
I recently purchased a set of stones by the name of Finew I was wondering if you had any opinions on those or if you’ve even tried them it’s a two stone set out ofone stone is a 400 to 1000 and the other stone is it 4000 to 6000 I believe they came with a flattening a stone and a leather strap and a little clamp that gives you an angle I don’t know exactly what it’s called I’m interested to know if you’ve tried those or have heard anything about them they seem to be on the cheaper end of the price range when it comes to the stones
Just picked up a set of shamton glass from Paul, Great company fast shipping! Awesome review man nice to see a fellow Canadian. Subbed And that's a beautiful knife too man
Do you have any experience with Spyderco ceramic stones? In my limited experience theyve worked the best but I always am open to try something else that might be better. How would you rank the Spyderco sharpening system?
I would say to anyone who doubts the higher-end stones and whether it matters, do this: If you've been using low-end stuff, great. It works, it gets you good edges, awesome. But just to see how the other half lives, I suggest you invest, so to speak, in a cheap King 1000. Price-wise it's really down in the cheapie range. But the feel! Smooth, silky, and if you've wondered what the deal is with "feedback" that people talk about, you'll be able to see that if you're riding the shoulder, if you're flat on the bevel, or if you're up too high on the cutting edge, the stone will tell you that because the feel will be different. It's like having another set of eyes. There really is a difference with those higher-end, name-brand stones. I've seen this in all kinds of skills-fishing, photography, music, skiing, pretty much everything. Skills are paramount. Work on your skills, and you can make the cheapest gear sing. But if you want to give yourself every advantage, sure, get yourself a couple of those nice stones. No rush, but if you have a couple of extra bucks, just try it and see if what people say isn't true.
I’ve been using Shapton stones since 2011. I use a Trend Diamond stone to keep them flat. I have stones starting with 500 grit to 16,000 grit. The combination with the Trend is EXCELLENT. Rob Cosman advocates them for plane irons and chisels. I also use them for draw knives, spoke shaves, carving knives, kitchen knives, hunting knives, and everyday carry knives. I even use them for restoring blades for utility knives. I’ve sold all my water stones and use the Shaptons exclusively for everything but carbide. And yes, the feel IS buttery. The white ceramic really gives feedback on how much pressure required for appropriate abrasive action. The results are absolutely mind blowing! Have fun and prepare to be spoiled!
I'm really pleased with this! It works like a charm ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxDcr-y2Pf6xdnrFHrSP7dl9kpKaCozcSQ Takes less time than my old electric sharpener because it can take more off the knife faster, and then it smooths out nicely with the finer grit polisher. I don't know how long it will last before the grit wears away, but I wouldn't mind having to replace it every once in a while.
Thanks for the kind words! Glad you're enjoying the stones :-)
Need to ship outside Canada when you get this kind of promotion that reaches way beyond your border. Want to support but can't...
@@densistasonen well that's Canada... Canadians need to support their business, you should find a great business in YOUR country... that's how this works
sounds like someone wants to support a small company OUTSIDE their country no need to make it out like its a bad thing.
Congratulations Kyle, and keep on producing your excellent videos and tutorials. Nice to see a Canadian perspective.
Like you,,I also deal with PaulsFinest and the service and prices there are second to none in my opinion. I recently bought a bunch of Shapton Glass stones from Pauls, including the 320/1k/4k/8k, as well as the Shapton Diamond Glass Lapping Plate, and the Shapton stone holder. At first I was hesitant about getting the stone holder, especialy since I already have the Naniwa stone holder, but I decided to splurge and give it a go, and I'm so glad I did. That base is rock-solid,,, and ZERO slipping or rocking,,,the rubber grips the kitchen-counter so solidly, you'd think the base was bolted to the counter. Beautiful. Next month, I'm hoping to add a few more Shapton Glass stones to my collection,,,probably the 2k/6k. and 10k stones.
Keep up the great work Kyle, and I'll be looking forward to more of your videos in the near future. Cheers, Bob
I did a little research and my got my first stone, the Shapton glass 1000 for my birthday, and haven't used it yet. I'm new to hand sharpening and just wanted to say thanks for putting this out there and giving me some confidence and inspiration to get after and start maintaining my knives myself. Keep it up!
Just starting out with my first stones and watching you sharpen really helps me get a little better each time! Thank you for the content
Watch a lot of sharpening content as I'm just getting into the hobby, and your videos are the best by a country mile. I really appreciate how you don't buy into that consumer elitist mindset and it shows through in your down-to-earth commentary. Thank you!
I really like my shapton glass stones...I sharpen mainly my plane irons and chisels on them for fine woodworking. I use a CBN wheel on my bench grinder to establish a primary bevel then start honing on the 1000. Once you establish a secondary bevel on the 1000 you can go straight to the 16000 then just a few strokes on the back (I use the Charlesworth ruler trick for a back bevel on my plane irons) to remove any burr that remains. My irons shave hair off my arm easily, and they can pull a shaving not much more than 1/1000 of an inch thick, leaving the surface of the wood ready to receive a finish without sanding. I flatten the stones at every use as a flat stone is critical for sharpening plane irons and bench chisels.
Kyle, I just watched several of your sharpening videos and have enjoyed your explanations of different stones. This video was a lot of fun as you were trying out the Shapton stones and getting excited about the feel of each one. Man, I could hear the sound as you would make each pass, it made me want to get out some of my gear and sharpen my pocket knives. Thanks Kyle for the education, entertainment and the inspiration you instill.
I recently purchased a shapton glass 3000 to use as a finisher. I'm absolutely loving it so far! I was finishing on arkansas for many years before this.
Rediscovered this gem after watching Alex Garland and Pete put out a whole bunch of videos on the different Shapton stones. Finally took the plunge and bought a Kuromaku and with tips from their videos and yours I'm finally getting a good edge on my blades. I ordered an Naniwa to try out as well. Thanks so much for sharing.
Stick with Shapton and stay away from Naniwa Pro stones. They will crack on you even if you care for them properly. King and Suehiro are great stones too
I have Shapton Glass 1000/6000/16000 stones, and I like them, but I like my Yaxell 3000/8000 stone more. It allowed me to fix the tip of a Yaxell knife 61 HRC (You don't repair blades on 3000 grit, but it was the only stone I had with me, and it worked in reasonable time). I was impressed by the cutting speed, and I like the stone feedback. The stone is softer, and it gives more friction than Shapton, but it feels like the perfect feedback of a sharpening stone.
Very new to sharpening (gives me something to do in retirement) Your video was very informative and one of the best I have watched, Thank you for the tutorial, it will be helpful in my purchasing stones going forward.
youve been a huge inspiration to me over the past few months. im going to start making my first knife! im just going to start from a pice of 01 steel and use a saw, drill, and files and do it all by hand. i figure, if i cant enjoy that process and finish it, than maybe its not for me. but i would love to become a full on knife hobbiest. and maybe one day sell some of my work, keep it up buddy! youre making a difference in the world with your positivity.
good luck Colin! Have fun with it!
Colin Bates Remember that you have to do the heat treat or you will just end up with a knife shaped object that cant be sharpened
Great video Kyle. I have been looking at Shaptpn Glass Stones. I’ve been hand sharpening for a few years and recently been restoring old hand planes and chisels. The Shaptons are really nice. Thanks
LOL way to funny. im the same way with the paper test! I started a year ago free hand & I love to see a knife work after my effort in sharpening it. thx for sharing kyle. absolutely 1 of my fav. chans. to watch & learn from.
Thanks for the kind words man!
I recently got into knife collecting and sharpening followed close behind. I am glad to see a fellow canuck enjoying what I do . I had no idea glass stone existed! How awesome are those? Wow!
They're called Glass because the stone itself is affixed to a plate of glass, they are not made of glass
@@wasylbakowsky5199 Oh , i should have watched more closely as he explained this. Thanks!
Awesome !! Just pure awesome Kyle. Love the free hand sharpening. Something very soothing and relaxing about it. 👍
100% agreed!
Good video. I totally agree that you can get fine results with inexpensive gear and a little know-how. But those glass stones are very beautiful. Greetings from Southern California.
Those are crazy stones, the sound ringing from them is unbelievable, they must be a pleasure to use, there's nothing that high end in my sharpening box and probably won't be for many years to come but I'd sure love to try them. Cheers till the next one bud.
if we ever meet again, you'll have to give them a try!
Love your videos. Thank you. Iv'e loved knives my whole life, i just never knew how to sharpen them until I came across your channel. After a couple of your videos all my knives became 10x sharper. Thanks from California.
Just the sound of the stones you can hear the consistency of the grit and how smooth they are, I was amazed especially with the 4000 grit how much material was left on the one pass, those stones your grand kids will use and pass on, I myself having been free hand sharpening for the last couple years can really appreciate stones such as those, I recently picked up the king kds 1000/6000 and it works very well but I know my next step from here is going to be shapton glass, I do enough sharpening they will be worth the investment but may take awhile haha they do cost a pretty penny, love your channel brother. -Kyle
Thanks for the comment my friend. I'm glad you're perfecting the art of freehand. The kings are great stones, especially for the relatively low cost. I really love the naniwa stones as well, which I think are a step above king and maybe most others! The shapton glass stones are amazing though.
I was going off the DMT double sided diamond set to my shapton 4k, 6k and 8k and it just took too long to get a razors edge so I had to drop the DMT's for 800 grit Naniwa Chosera and 2k Naniwa and what a difference that made...I was definitely impressed with the 320 Shapton you demonstrated and would probably get me a quicker cut initially so I may have to get me one. I agree the shapton 4, 6, and 8k are nice for polishing grits and love what they do to a prime rib talk about buttery smooth slices. Thanks for the vid
I always have issues going from diamond stones to wetstones. I dunno why.
Never gets old watching your sharpening videos
These are the stones I use. Love em. I’ll never go back to soaking stones.
90 percent of the honing I do is on razors and while I've got a nice progression of Naniwas, I have been a Jnat fiend for a few years now and I've just started using my lower grit synthetic (8k and under) stones to attack the knives around home. I've been trying so hard to not buy anything new but the Shapton glass stones have been eyeballing me for years and I might just have to visit Paul's Finest sooner than later. The pure joy on your face while using them tells me all I need to know. Lol
I've really been looking at maybe getting a set of Shapton Glass Stones to go with my KME for those times when I want something a little finer than the diamond stones I'm using now which top out at 8,000 grit. Or maybe the Shapton Professional Series stones, I haven't decided. You can also get an aftermarket stone holder & guide rod for the KME that uses stones designed for the Edge Pro system. That one also increases the size of the knives that can be sharpened on the KME a bit as well. Decisions, decisions...
Hey Kyle ..its just like christmas when someone sends you something you just know your going to giggle each time you use them..cheers
haha for sure!
Very good video and nice content. Dude is super humble. I respect that a lot
Paul's Finest is exceptional -- just incredible customer service and great prices. Highly recommended!
Interesting, I too make knives and sharpen professionally, I mostly use guided systems, except for scandi edges, I like your stone holder and have been toying with the idea of getting some more stones, I usually use diamonds as they don’t wear very much, but ceramic could be an option too.
Cheers
Just purchase shapton after watching this. Brilliant straight forward . Many thanks
Wow these look beutiful. If iI ever got one I would actually never use it since it just looks so special and amazing
I bought a £12 made in China 1000/6000. Probably about on the same level as Sharp Pebble. A little on the soft side but when I mentioned that in my review they sent me a 400/1000 for free. And for subscribing to their email newsletter they sent me a free flattening stone. I don't have any super high hardness knives but they have done just fine. I'm not spending £200 to sharpen a £40 knife.
Are you using water or oil or soapy water while sharpening?
Super satisfying to watch. I have enough stones already, but I want more.
I learned as kid to sharpen on a very exspensive stone i could shave with knife.then i lost that connections an just got aution stone an let me tell you there is a difference.i love to cook an i always told everyone you cant be a great cook without a knife you can shave with to make beautiful slices that cooks through the same
Thanks for all the content you put out! Im just getting into sharpening and a nice set of glass stones is next. Just wanted to say thanks your videos they help me out so much!!
Those stones are great. Congrats on the new additions to the sharpening tools. That knife cuts deadly.
18:30 in this video convinced me to start buying Shapton Glass Stones
ceramics are great, they're more splash and go stones. they don't make a lot of swarf but they cut real fast.
Shapton ceramics are great but a real chore to keep perfectly flat for scandi sharpening.
SiC and AlO *are* ceramics and with 9-9.5 on the Mohs scale, they are very hard indeed. The *ceramic* in the _Ha no Kuromaku_ stones refers to how they are made and not to the hardness of the abrasive.
Whereas cheaper stones are made from a mixture of abrasive powder and a binder, which is then baked like a brick, so-called *ceramic* stones use less/different binding agent and are most often sintered.
Thus, the cheap stones are much softer and dish out more quickly, whereas the ceramic stones are much harder and do not dish out as fast; regardless of the actual hardness of the abrasive used.
Zen teachin styles, one of the greats.
It's like meditation watching you sharpen that knive. Tried myself and found I'm not consistent with the angles, especially on the belly of the blade. But I keep trying. Regards from Germany.
Well done Paul's Finest, beautiful stones great review Kyle
Yet another great video! I enjoy your lessons and your way of teaching! Keep it up!
Hi Kyle...
Firstly thank you for the content, I am new to your channel but I love the no nonsense approach you have and it's sort of like talking to a buddy down the pub :)
Secondly I have a small(?) request... would it be at all possible if you could do a video on which Shapton stones you would buy if you were starting out? I am new to whetstone sharpening and have been looking at buying a few (I live in the UK so I can't use your recommended retailer however I can source the Shapton stones). There is so much information and various types of stones that I am completely overwhelmed with all the choice.
The stones in question would be used for kitchen knives and pocket knives (so nothing professional at all) so I am thinking of the Shapton Pro Stone 320 (BlueBlack) but after that I am not sure if I should stick with "normal" stones or buy the Shapton Glass ones and even then there are multiple different types etc.
Thanks for reading this comment and I look forward to all your future content.
I have wondered about these stones since I first started using EDC knives and specialty knives. I really wish you had shown a close-up of that final mirror edge. I'm disappointed that wasn't shown at all.
Fantastic videos as always! Love seeing shapton on your bench
The sound is amazing bet it feels great
And you just gained a new subscriber today keep up the good work buddy
I've learned a lot watching this guy.
Thank you for sharing; I'm new to the craft and plan on investing in Shapton soon due to your review....
Great enthusiasm Kyle. Really useful for me as a terrible sharpener! :-)
Do you have any advice for how to resurface the ceramic stones after creating a noticeable hollow? I recently bought some Shapton ceramic stones and I was sharpening a round skive on the 320 and ended up with a hollow. Is it the same for most types of stones?
Aren't those Naniwa choosera/Professional stones, the 400 and the 3000#? As the colour and thickness corresponds to the Choosera/Professional. The Super stones from Naniwa are usually only 1 cm thick and under 3000# way too soft in my opinion. I know it was possible to find Superstones in 2 cm thickness as well for a while, but on this side of the pond they have totally disappeared. The Shapton Kuromaku is as well called the Shapton Pro and the Pro line from Shapton is a quite affordable and great lineup compared to the Shapton Glass. But they don't give as much feedback from my point of view as a Shapton Glass. But they cut very fast and are extremely hard, so almost never needed to flatten one. Great stuff and great video, Kyle! Happy sharpening, can't wait to seeing some new sharpening videos from your new workshop. 👌🔪
Just got my 6000 today to add to the collection ! Thanks for the video!
Hey Kyle, thanks for the video. Was wondering what you would use to keep the Shapton glass stones flat. Thanks in advance.
when i growed up i was taken to barber he always had leather an hit the knife on that an shave the guys with straight edge.i asked why you do that he said get all burs off they will pull the hair instead of cutting the hair
Awesome!
So those are actually glass stones? Not a Arkansas stone? I never seen them before wow I'm jus amazed
What spray solution are you using? Just water?
waiting on my shapton from tools and knives as i am in europe great job man thx.
Kyle, I know you're pretty fussy about your stones. One tip I might give you after polishing/sharpening a lot of metal in my day is to never co-mingle the different grits or lay finishing stones on any surface that has any dust or debris, like a work bench. Allowing them to touch each other (or your work bench) is predictably asking for a lot of extra work. Roughing stones are not so sensitive, but finer stones are. All stones can pick up grit from rougher stones (or debris) and become part of your slurry when going after a finer finish. You will not see the transfer of grit from stone to another, but why take the chance?
I know exactly what you mean bud! In my case it's a tough call; which adds more work for me? A 'potential' contamination of grit, or the setup each time? Since my shop is loaded with dust and debris.. ultimate, I need a dedicated sharpening station in a clean area
@@kyle_noseworthy Not really, Kyle. Just make sure your stones don't come in contact with each other and always lay the stones on a clean rag when not in use. As an apprentice toolmaker, I had to learn how to polish steel to a mirror finish. I had to make sure that all stones were segregated (by grit) from each other in their own containers so that grit contamination wouldn't take place. I'm not saying it would happen to you but stone segregation is just good shop practice and takes no more time and no more space to do. I don't polish for a living anymore but I never allow my stones to co-mingle....It's just a habit now.
Should of watched the whole video first lmao great vid lovely Stones
Sharptons are nice. I prefer the Naniwa water stones since I sharpen straight razors, mine go to 12000 grit. The real key is the final stropping to get a smooth sharp edge that isn’t harsh. Try stropping on a fire hose or similar material. For knives yo obviously don’t need the high grits unless you want a mirror polish. Yep the high end stones are really enjoyable. That’s a great looking knife you made.
Thanks Ralph! I really enjoy the naniwa stones as well!
Which Naniwa? They have a bunch of different sub-brands. I have a Naniwa Super 1k/5k combo stone, I got the 1k Shapton and it's way better than my Naniwa in terms of cutting speed. They do have a 'new' line of Naniwa Super though...Chosera is another Naniwa sub-brand which is supposed to be really good. I have a Naniwa Super (old version) 220 for setting bevels and removing nicks, am tempted to get the Shapton Glass 220...
Wasyl Bakowsky Naniwa water stones all single grits no combos. My set goes to 12,000 because I do mostly straight razor sharpening on them. You need a perfect edge to get a smooth comfortable shave. The trick isn’t just sharp but a smooth non-harsh sharp edge. Once you get good on straight razors knives are relatively easy.
Good review. I bought a 500 Shapton glass stone just to see what the deal is. While Shapton stones are pretty good the glass back does nothing to add to the performance of the sharpening surface. Shapton does this as a sales gimmick, or the glass is cheaper than a thicker stone. From my experience using regular Shapton stones and a glass stone there is no difference in performance. Like I said earlier Shapton stones are a good product.
I bought some glassstones from Lee valley .I want to use auto glass cleaner for spriting the stones as its not supposed to rust the diamond stone. Canadian tire has a brand but not shure if its the right kind. The gold bond brand is really expensive.any ideas.
Would this be a good starter stone as a first one? I had used dmt coarse stones before but assuming i can get away with just this where I am a student who moves a lot and don't wanna lug too much gear
Jajaja jajaja I can really see the love that you have for Knives, the way you Caress and talk about those stones 😂 Same here bro,
that shapton glass stone are insane!
I will be putting some of Pauls stones on my christmas list
Kyle, now that some time has elapsed, have you tried the Shapton Glass stones on your wood tools? What were your thoughts? Working the Shapton Kuromaku here and don't love the feel of the 5,000 and 12,000 but I'm concerned with the thickness of the Shapton Glass stones
Love the size and shape of that knife for the kitchen, was hoping to see if for sale on your website.
You are very happy, it is good. The stones are amazing and we enyoy too whit your video. Bravo from Spain! 👍
Very nice. I'm looking forward to your videos about those stones.
About the Kuromaku stone, that foam is just there to make the wobble as little as possible. I would advise to remove it and leave the still damp stone in the plastic box, as the bottom is designed to let the stone breathe.
actually I have a question about ceramic stones in general. How do I keep the lower grit ones biting? I have a 120 ceramic and it is basically as "dull" as a 400-800 grit stone. I have the utensils to get it sharper as it is but it never seems to cut as well as it did before
Your stone is likely loaded up with particle. A good surfacing stone would serve you well, to cut down the surface of your stone slightly and reveal a new cutting face. paulsfinest.com carries those as well if you're interested!
@@kyle_noseworthyThanks for the answer. The thing is, I have a surfacing stone/plate. The large naniwa one to be exact. It does not help at all, as the stone (120 grit) rubs down the surfacing plate (320 grit if I'm not mistaken).
Should I just get a dmt diamod plate or atoma plate to get the job done?
For ceramics, yes I believe you need something harder like you mentioned
@@KingJL25 get some sic powder super cheap and rub the stone on a piece of glass or a tile something that is real flat they have many grit levels of sic powder look on Amazon or ebay works real good for flattening ceramic stones
Love the channel brother, fellow Newfie! I have used Norton and Shapton. I try to hone and keep my straight razors sharp with them so I have the Norton 4K/8K for honing and a Shapton Kurumaktu 12K for finishing, a few strops etc. Keep up the great videos. Ever make your own hone from local stone? I think that is my next project
Do you regularly hone straight razors by any chance?
Thinking about buying a set of those glass stones, did you get a code or anything for a little kickback?
I sharpen my knifes with sandpaper and it works just fine.
Nice. I would love to test the Shapton glass stones and make some movies with them. :)
Just had this video recommended to me again. Watched it when it first came out. Is the 1k glass and the 320 stone you are using in your videos now the same ones that you got here, or have you replaced them since then? If they are the same then they last quite a long time.
Hey from New Brunswick buddy! Great video, thanks for letting us know about Paul's ! What a beautiful Product, wow...
Thanks. Good tutorial.
The 1000 leaves a little tooth on the edge if you cut meat the 1 is better than the 4 unless the meat is almost frozen firm if it is a little soft the toothy edge nodes better
I have a Spyderco Stone and it's doing Great so far but I never heard of glass stones
Seems like they are great stones. Am a bit afraid to find out the price. Very good review and really liked the way you explained the paper cutting. Guess I will go check them out thanks for sharing and the explanation.
Price actually is quite reasonable!
Appreciate your video, I am looking at the spyderco ceramic. What's your opinion on this and what would you suggest medium or fine grit on this stone? I'm looking for general use for touching up kitchen knives and my everyday pocket knife. I'm not a professional like yourself so I don't want to invest too much. Thanks
Feel the same way. Got all my Kuromaku stones from Paul’s Finest. Shapton website says foam is for transport only.
Yep, I saw that too after I went online! :-)
i wanted a set for my s. razor. But all i can find right now in my country is a 2k, 6k, 12k shapton kuro combo. I really wanted 3,8,12k in that order
I love my shapton glass stones excellent stones i just bought me a set of nano hone stones they are just as good little thicker stone
I recently purchased a set of stones by the name of Finew I was wondering if you had any opinions on those or if you’ve even tried them it’s a two stone set out ofone stone is a 400 to 1000 and the other stone is it 4000 to 6000 I believe they came with a flattening a stone and a leather strap and a little clamp that gives you an angle I don’t know exactly what it’s called I’m interested to know if you’ve tried those or have heard anything about them they seem to be on the cheaper end of the price range when it comes to the stones
Enjoying your content Kyle. Any idea where I can source kuramaku black and black the glass stones and the nagura stone
Great informative and interesting video! Thanks a lot!
Love your passion. Thanks for input.
Nice looking Shaptons and regular collection.
Thank you!
Just picked up a set of shamton glass from Paul,
Great company fast shipping!
Awesome review man nice to see a fellow Canadian.
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And that's a beautiful knife too man
Hello Kyle. I have been knife shapening for quite some time, and I whuld like to know more about the stone you are holding here 9:19
Do you have any experience with Spyderco ceramic stones? In my limited experience theyve worked the best but I always am open to try something else that might be better. How would you rank the Spyderco sharpening system?
Thank you Kyle, really enjoyed this video, 👍 love your expressions to. Really inspiring