I’ve been discovering this more and more lately, that thoughts don’t create knowing or being, they come after this experience as a way of trying to explain it to ourselves. I’ve been able to catch myself doing this somewhat, while also trying not to grasp onto it, letting the intuition come and wash through me without analyzing it. I’ve also noticed that the more I let go of what kind of experience I want or expect to have, the easier it seems to arise in me.
Rupert Spira 🙏 Understanding is not possible in (Self) Awareness itself which is actually One's True (Self) Nature which neither thinks nor not thinks. 'Trying to understand' - is trying to think or conceptualize a perception or conception by mind; Which will cause thoughts to arise and becomes thinking which has no permanent nature in it. Thoughts randomly arise - appear & disappear. The attempt to understand what the mind thinks is futile because it is a 'circular' activity arises from nothing; Hence it is impossible to use thoughts to understand thoughts arising in or from One's mind. 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
Awareness witnesses understanding, mind does the understanding. Understanding involves cognition, a function of the mind. Consciousness is empty. Rupert isn’t accurate here.
Imagine a ball of Consciousness Vibrating within itself Forming mini minds to experience itself through Without a mini mind, the ball of vibrating consciousness is unaware of itself (like deep sleep). When the ball of consciousness views itself through a human mini mind, it’s sees itself as the universe. We are all the ball of consciousness, experiencing ourself through these mini minds.
What if the term ‘understanding’ here refers to knowing/knowingness/awareness? The term ‘understanding’ can have different meanings at different levels. There seems to be a meaning for ‘understanding’ that fits within the world of duality (that requires a dualistic mindset), as well as one that fits with the experience/knowing of Oneness.
I actually think Rubert is wrong in this one. Understanding is a function of the mind, but experience is not. Insight is a restructuring of mind from experience, but experience is not the same as the restructuring.
@@glenmartin9068 Yeah, but that doesnt make it not mind. You can move your arms and legs without thought, does that make them beoynd mind? I douot it. Understanding is deeply tied to what the mind does, not what consciousness is. Consciousness is the one who witnesses the understanding that the mind has. If you go to mountains and experience sun rise for the first time, you life is stransformed, and your brain restructures. But we dont say that you had an insight of sun rise. Sun rise was the ecperience that triggered the restructuring of your mind.
@@megiMove you seem to be quite an expert on the matter! Please, dont hold us in suspence, enlighten us with your widsom. What do you mean by understanding? Is mind not needed? That is, for example, can I learn a language without the mind?
You cant really understand this teaching without doing the embodiment practices, which is the actual experience. If you do that, then you'll see that all the words and ways of talking about it are lies. Useful lies to help us get to the actual experience, which is the whole point Don't get trapped in the lies
🤍 Thank You for Sharing Rupert🌅When we Live Consciously FROM The Awareness of our🤍Space There lS Rightful Understanding and Rightful Action follows so that conceptual sense mind Become instrument of The 🤍or The Living SPIRIT 🫥Within🙏
Yes, I agree with the false symbol concepts of the mind, however. Consciousness awareness simply breathing in this density and looking around you. Everything that appears is a flowing symbol of awareness. Because this is a harmony. It’s a harmonic universe.
"understanding does not take place in the mind, it is formulated by the mind" we know the answers already, our mind just hasn't recognized that we know them. When we "realize" - it is the mind formulating what we already knew. We really have, already arrived.
Not sure about the concept that understanding doesn’t takes place in the mind but is expressed by the mind. In both the examples he gives, if we watched the brain via electrical activity, or MRI scans, during those ‘pauses’ we would see the brain undergoing activity as it processes the stimulus. Isn’t that when ‘understanding’ is taking place? When the brain is processing data and then expressing the result of that processing is surely when, and where, understanding is occurring.
the mind is the same device we have in a computer. our brains are microbial matter that are directly linked to the universe itself. trying to understand most of it is inane. thats why we have gods n religions to help us stay focused. but we just dont. and we wont coz we do not want to lose out in anything
I rather ike Candice Rinpoches's approach/ practice. She says to take short moments (of awareness, consciousness, whatever) many times, and eventually it becomes continuous. Basically, whenever you remember, even if for a split second, take a short moment. She doesn't really entertain these type of questions much, just tells people not to worry about it, just show up, just take short moments. It works!
“Guys I’m just not able to see everyone else the same as me, because the one that is aware of my experience and others experience is Formless, shapeless, dimensionless, and that makes me think that the one that IS, is non-existent and how could I feel love for/or even bother about something that is non-existent?” - Me, Mind
I agree with you. I think though that it is 'nothing', not 'non-existent'. The one that is aware is not 'nothing'. consciousness is not 'nothing'. consciousness is material. It goes away when you are given general anaesthesia. We don't need to live our lives according to scientific or spiritual truths. It's Hume's razor. To love is an act which comes from freedom, not according to our private knowledge of the nature of consciousness. Whatever is already is and will be. Knowledge does not change shit. We are free de facto from the authority of knowledge so to speak, if not de jure.
@Green-Dragon206 It may be so and a path that could be taken and if it is so one will find out. However Sir, please be careful of the way we use language itself, it is fraught with inaccuracy.
All praise and glory is to God, Who breathed His Spirit into man (the soul), then He Commanded the angels and the jinns (spirits) to bow down with their face down to the ground in respect for him, none are worthy of worship except God nor does anyone or anything has the right of being worshipped except God, I bear witness that the mighty spirit risked her life and put it on the line in order to save me (because of Love), God Witnessed me and the spirit destroy possibly one of the most powerful demons in all of existence, I testify and bear witness that there is no god or divinity but God, God is the King and Protector and Lord and Light and Ruler and Controller and Father and Creator of the heavens and the earth and everything in them! None are the same as you, your ego can never Truly Love a human, only the soul (which exists, which is within you) can Truly Love. Being Formless doesn't mean that the One Who is Formless is not, God IS and is totally Formless at the same time, Formlessness IS. God is ofc aware of your experience, but is much deeper than experience or being experience, I don't know what to say,,,,,,,,,,,,, God IS and God is Alive.
The nice lady wants to move ahead and progress in her experience. I'd say she needs to repeat this loving/understanding experience not only with her dog, but with other people, this way she can learn and broaden her experience further, and also learn about her own limitations. There is a big difference if you experience something with a lower life form or with a higher, more evolved being.
I’ve been discovering this more and more lately, that thoughts don’t create knowing or being, they come after this experience as a way of trying to explain it to ourselves. I’ve been able to catch myself doing this somewhat, while also trying not to grasp onto it, letting the intuition come and wash through me without analyzing it. I’ve also noticed that the more I let go of what kind of experience I want or expect to have, the easier it seems to arise in me.
Rupert Spira 🙏
Understanding is not possible in (Self) Awareness itself which is actually One's True (Self) Nature which neither thinks nor not thinks.
'Trying to understand' - is trying to think or conceptualize a perception or conception by mind;
Which will cause thoughts to arise and becomes thinking which has no permanent nature in it. Thoughts randomly arise - appear & disappear.
The attempt to understand what the mind thinks is futile because it is a 'circular' activity arises from nothing;
Hence it is impossible to use thoughts to understand thoughts arising in or from One's mind. 😊🙏🙇♂️🌷
Awareness witnesses understanding, mind does the understanding. Understanding involves cognition, a function of the mind. Consciousness is empty. Rupert isn’t accurate here.
"What is happiness? It's the moment before you need more happiness" - Don Draper.
Before the non-dual understanding
Too many minds….no mind….quote from The Last Samurai
Imagine a ball of Consciousness
Vibrating within itself
Forming mini minds to experience itself through
Without a mini mind, the ball of vibrating consciousness is unaware of itself (like deep sleep).
When the ball of consciousness views itself through a human mini mind, it’s sees itself as the universe.
We are all the ball of consciousness, experiencing ourself through these mini minds.
What if the term ‘understanding’ here refers to knowing/knowingness/awareness? The term ‘understanding’ can have different meanings at different levels. There seems to be a meaning for ‘understanding’ that fits within the world of duality (that requires a dualistic mindset), as well as one that fits with the experience/knowing of Oneness.
She said , i meditate often . NO . Meditation can not be practiced. Meditation is a quality, a consequence of being silent . Got it ? 🙏
Great answer.Realization is beyond the mind. When we are free from the thoughts /mind, then only the heart is opened.
@Green-Dragon206 Before the nondual understanding
_"The whole Vedanta is contained in the two Biblical statements:_
_“I am that I AM” and “Be still and know that I am God.”_
~ *Ramana Maharshi*
I am that, I am.
I am _that_ I am.
I AM that
Everything in the Bible is contained in the Vedantic, ‘Om’. 🕉
I actually think Rubert is wrong in this one. Understanding is a function of the mind, but experience is not. Insight is a restructuring of mind from experience, but experience is not the same as the restructuring.
“Understanding is the silence between two thoughts,” Rupert.
@@glenmartin9068 Yeah, but that doesnt make it not mind. You can move your arms and legs without thought, does that make them beoynd mind? I douot it. Understanding is deeply tied to what the mind does, not what consciousness is. Consciousness is the one who witnesses the understanding that the mind has. If you go to mountains and experience sun rise for the first time, you life is stransformed, and your brain restructures. But we dont say that you had an insight of sun rise. Sun rise was the ecperience that triggered the restructuring of your mind.
Understanding is of the heart. It's pretty obvious. Then the mind takes over as it believes it was the source of understanding.
@@megiMove you seem to be quite an expert on the matter! Please, dont hold us in suspence, enlighten us with your widsom. What do you mean by understanding? Is mind not needed? That is, for example, can I learn a language without the mind?
You cant really understand this teaching without doing the embodiment practices, which is the actual experience.
If you do that, then you'll see that all the words and ways of talking about it are lies. Useful lies to help us get to the actual experience, which is the whole point
Don't get trapped in the lies
When you don't understand anything, understanding shines brightly.
🤍 Thank You for Sharing Rupert🌅When we Live Consciously FROM The Awareness of our🤍Space There lS Rightful Understanding and Rightful Action follows so that conceptual sense mind Become instrument of The 🤍or The Living SPIRIT 🫥Within🙏
In a snap of a finger, sleeping happens. Likewise, awakening just happens in a snap of a finger, NOT in the future but now.
When ignorance comes to
the place of Intelligence,
It will discover and laugh that
there was no ignorance.
Yes, I agree with the false symbol concepts of the mind, however. Consciousness awareness simply breathing in this density and looking around you. Everything that appears is a flowing symbol of awareness. Because this is a harmony. It’s a harmonic universe.
"understanding does not take place in the mind, it is formulated by the mind" we know the answers already, our mind just hasn't recognized that we know them. When we "realize" - it is the mind formulating what we already knew. We really have, already arrived.
Not sure about the concept that understanding doesn’t takes place in the mind but is expressed by the mind.
In both the examples he gives, if we watched the brain via electrical activity, or MRI scans, during those ‘pauses’ we would see the brain undergoing activity as it processes the stimulus. Isn’t that when ‘understanding’ is taking place? When the brain is processing data and then expressing the result of that processing is surely when, and where, understanding is occurring.
the mind is the same device we have in a computer. our brains are microbial matter that are directly linked to the universe itself. trying to understand most of it is inane. thats why we have gods n religions to help us stay focused. but we just dont. and we wont coz we do not want to lose out in anything
In other words, True understanding takes time to reach the mind...
If you need to read out loud your direct experience- it’s mind -
I rather ike Candice Rinpoches's approach/ practice. She says to take short moments (of awareness, consciousness, whatever) many times, and eventually it becomes continuous. Basically, whenever you remember, even if for a split second, take a short moment. She doesn't really entertain these type of questions much, just tells people not to worry about it, just show up, just take short moments. It works!
YOU, are not the TEACHER, YOU are not the TAUGHT. YOU are, the TEACHING.
Great answer!! Helpful 😊
You can't make yourself STOP doing this, unless you understand the impossiblity of trying to make yourself STOP; yes!
For me, an excellent question.
Of course
Diipa dai pa duupa dööpa duuduu
appearances , distortions , a world , a mind , a man .... a Tone Poem .
❤🙏🌈wonderfull, thank you🌈🙏❤️
❤❤
Identification is the bane.
“Guys I’m just not able to see everyone else the same as me, because the one that is aware of my experience and others experience is Formless, shapeless, dimensionless, and that makes me think that the one that IS, is non-existent and how could I feel love for/or even bother about something that is non-existent?” - Me, Mind
I agree with you. I think though that it is 'nothing', not 'non-existent'. The one that is aware is not 'nothing'. consciousness is not 'nothing'. consciousness is material. It goes away when you are given general anaesthesia. We don't need to live our lives according to scientific or spiritual truths. It's Hume's razor. To love is an act which comes from freedom, not according to our private knowledge of the nature of consciousness. Whatever is already is and will be. Knowledge does not change shit. We are free de facto from the authority of knowledge so to speak, if not de jure.
@Green-Dragon206 It may be so and a path that could be taken and if it is so one will find out. However Sir, please be careful of the way we use language itself, it is fraught with inaccuracy.
All praise and glory is to God, Who breathed His Spirit into man (the soul), then He Commanded the angels and the jinns (spirits) to bow down with their face down to the ground in respect for him, none are worthy of worship except God nor does anyone or anything has the right of being worshipped except God, I bear witness that the mighty spirit risked her life and put it on the line in order to save me (because of Love), God Witnessed me and the spirit destroy possibly one of the most powerful demons in all of existence, I testify and bear witness that there is no god or divinity but God, God is the King and Protector and Lord and Light and Ruler and Controller and Father and Creator of the heavens and the earth and everything in them!
None are the same as you, your ego can never Truly Love a human, only the soul (which exists, which is within you) can Truly Love.
Being Formless doesn't mean that the One Who is Formless is not, God IS and is totally Formless at the same time, Formlessness IS.
God is ofc aware of your experience, but is much deeper than experience or being experience, I don't know what to say,,,,,,,,,,,,,
God IS and God is Alive.
Love that
🙏
❤
Wonderful explanation to the invalidity of a long held belief :-)
The nice lady wants to move ahead and progress in her experience. I'd say she needs to repeat this loving/understanding experience not only with her dog, but with other people, this way she can learn and broaden her experience further, and also learn about her own limitations. There is a big difference if you experience something with a lower life form or with a higher, more evolved being.
You are NOT the HAND, nor the PEN. YOU are NOT the PAPER. YOU are, the INSPIRATION.............The MUSE.