My dark romance would be a father doing everything in his power to keep his daughter safe from being kidnapped. Only to be shocked by the reality that *he* was the one the kidnapper wanted.
the darkest thing in this video is cindy holding her friends hostage and having them watch while she spends 1-2h making a video about some mediocre porn.
Exactly, and even there is a female protagonist that is rather young, still she can have innocent characteristics but she should have her own mind, thoughts and feelings, just like a person can be kind but still that person needs to have basic logic, but many books are just failing to do so
Katniss springs to mind. I know she's imperfectly written but damn she's far more interesting and human than these strange female characters in smut. An example of innocent character that's done right or interesting is early Sansa from Song of Ice and fire. She never lost her knid heart and innocent despite hardships, she got smarter at seeing who would use her and whose actually genuine and in turn played up her perceived naivety to fool enemies. Her character is flawed like a aristocrat girl would be, yet her feminine qualities are never bashed in the narrative which is so refreshing to read.
badly written female characters in these modern books be like "I don't need no man I'm strong powerful valid etc" Also her when she meets a man: 😩😰😍😥😳😫🙇😻
feminism isn’t about not having a romantic partner and i really don’t like that portrayal in media :’) women can have and be both powerful and in love.
@@ashblu3 I think it's more about how these "strong" female became instantly submissive (not in the good way) to hot guys man handling them. It's perfectly fine to have romantic partner. We need female leads and their male love interets who feel like actual multilayered people in relationships or who don't express their attraction like WattPad self inserts.
When you can't fuck him because of society's expectations, so you fuck his daughter while thinking of him. Hmmm, not a sentence I was planning on writing.
Every time you say “monster cock” my brain automatically corrects it to “monster croc” which makes much more sense for a character meant to be a Captain Hook reference.
I just...really want a version of this where he seduces Peter, blackmails him, and ruins his relationship with his family and his reputation or something. Hook just so CLEARLY wants to sleep with Wendy's dad.
@@MsAnubisia actually really like that they uses that actually. It’s a nice little reference to the author and a theory about Hook’s real name. J.M. Barrie said that Hook is not his real last name and that if people knows it “would set this country in a blaze”, and there’s a referring to hook as “James Matthew B” lol.
any “adult” retelling of peter pan immediately gets written off in my book. who reads the original and thinks “yeah this would be better if it had more sex”??? it’s such an innocent story with a beautiful message about growing up. just sad imo
@@circa134 Have you read the original story? It’s really not that dark. I mean, compared to some interpretations. Yeah it has some dark themes but they’re more sad than anything else
I actually liked the movie Hook with Robin Williams, it was adult in the sense that it explored maintaining childish fun while taking on the responsibilities of an adult. I know it wasnt well received but honestly one of my childhood favorites
I’m not asexual, but the sex written in this book half convinced me that I may be. Also Hook’s hate-obsession with Wendy’s dad is hilarious. Idk why but I expected him to moan his name when you were reading out the sex scenes. Would’ve laughed myself to hell’s gate.
I personally wouldve preferred a romance between Tinkerbell and Hook. Tink had more reason to want to go against Peter and Hook in the Disney movie actually convinced her to go against Peter. Idk, I just think a dark romance between a jealous fairy and a devious pirate wouldve been more kinky if that what the author was trying to go for.
Scenes like these from books made me actually realise that I am on the asexuality spectrum. And I was only further proven right as I got into a relationship for the first time. Idk, sometimes smit scenes are just the most disgusting sht ever
im asexual and oh my god every reading of the sexual scenes in this made me start cackling. i was genuinely laughing out loud,,, do you know how fucking funny something has to be for me to laugh out loud??? on god the best work of comedy in the 21st century
I adore that trope so much. Like, I wish to read a book about a villain couple that like wants to rule the world or something, they're evil, but not to each other, they adore each other to almost like point of obsession, put it's mutual, and they'll like, destroy everyone who like, cross the way of their beloved even slightly, or... Something along these lines
"Imagine being a grown ass man and having beef with an eleven year old" is hilarious because that pretty much is the original plot of Peter Pan but in reverse
I love how Cindy went from “I’m straight and fucking DESPISE men” to “my girlfriend made me read a tiktok dark romance book so of course I had to oblige ❤️”
If I wanted to write a kidnapping dark romance (not out of character for me) I'd write it so the victim was even more into it than the kidnapper. And the kidnapper was like. Wow you have some issues. We gotta work through this. I'm really worried about you.
Mine would be less of a romance and more like a horror comedy with his concept, with the mc wanting nothing to do with this man and just basically acting like a normal person
The way even if I was into dark romance I could not take any of this seriously like what the hell, this is so embarrassing, what are those dialogues ? 😂😭
i literally just have the image of captain hook in that jake and the neverland pirates artstyle pulled up while cindy is reading and i can confirm it enlightens this experience 1000x
I just feel like if I were to write a dark romance I would go for a concept more sexy than "creepy drug dealer at the club is kinda hot and wants to k1ll my dad" Also I rarely see "dark" smut or romance that walks the edge of scary and romantic/sexy successfully. It *can* be done but people almost always take it too far in *both* directions too fast. Where's the build-up??? Where's the tension???
YES, THANK YOU! I can't recount all the times I've read a dark romance rec with people going "oh, this is so hot", "omg the tension" just to have the heroine getting wet for the hero after the first meeting. I get trying to establish sexual tension but when it's dark romance it just feels so cheap to make everything so sexual at the first chapter. Delayed gratification and the feeling of being on the edge of my seat is personally why I take an interest in the genre but so many books fail to deliver 🧍♂
Recommendation time! “Beyond the Black Door” by AM Strickland is a villain romance. While there’s no sex (heroine and LI are both asexual), there’s still a mix of alluring and danger.
I'm honestly embarrassed with how late I got to the realization that this was a retelling of the Peter Pan story. It wasn't until "Tina Bell" that I realized 😭
I may only be just past 6mins in, but the facts you are spitting about certain actions being considered sexy and suave by conventionally attractive men that are inherently seen as creepy if it was literally anyone else is why I love your channel so much. No hesitation with it either
I've read fanfics with the "hurt/comfort" tag that were scarier than this vanilla shit, and that's not even talking about the Dead Dove tag. This book reads like it was trying to be "problematic" solely for the sake of being problematic, rather than because it actually wanted to tell a story with serious topics of concern.
@@justalostlocal "Dead Dove Do Not Eat" or just "Dead Dove" are tags used on fics on AO3 to indicate to the potential reader that they NEED to pay attention to all the other tags used, because those other tags' topics will be _written about,_ not just referenced or implied. The fic is what it says on the tin. Like, if you see the DDDNE tag alongside something like "necrophilia" or "cannibalism" or "rape/non-con", etc., then you'll know without a shadow of a doubt that these topics will be written about in scenes in graphic detail. The DDDNE tag is _only_ to be used on fics with problematic content that could trigger someone, not just for generic tags. It also relies on context, because you wouldn't use that tag for a fic for _Hannibal_ when all that's written is detailed cannibalism, because that's par for the course of the show, but you would absolutely use that tag if there's cannibalism detailed in a fic for _Paw Patrol._ The phrase comes from a scene in the show _Arrested Development,_ where one of the characters pulls a bag out of the fridge that says "Dead Dove Do Not Eat", the character looks inside, then looks back up to the camera and deadpans, "I don't know what I expected." The joke being that there was an actual dead dove inside the labeled bag.
As a Wendy literally named after the Peter Pan fairytale, this is not the representation i wanted but needed 😔🤘🏾i’m sick of pretending wendys arent dumb 🗣️
@@withcindy All hail Cindy's girlfriend for making her read this book so we got to see her rant about it in the most entertaining way for like fourty minutes straight (or gay?).
I haven’t watched this channel in aaagess so last time Cindy said anything about her sexuality she said she was likely straight. I’m so happy for her! ❤️
One of my favorite media ships is one that realistically would be exactly that. Granted, the guy saying that would've also been 11 at the time, but it's really funny to say "yeah he's been watching this guy on a monitor screen since they were both kids and has arrested him multiple times throughout the following years" without the context that his entire shtick is watching over every variant of himself in other universes and making sure they don't cause trouble. It just so happens to be that this other version of himself is an inherent troublemaker. Lmao
It never ceases to amaze me how many books would turn from "dark romance/fantasy" to "horror/psychological thriller" if you just replaced the attractive male lead with an ugly guy.
Can you all stop with this incel talking points? “If I was a 6’2 alpha male you would be attracted to this”. Let women enjoy their cringy wattpad books in peace.
@@mr.worldwide5566it's moreso a criticism of the idea that being attractive means that doing generally creepy things (or outright crimes) is actually okay and totally hot. In fiction it's not the biggest issue ever, fiction is fiction for a reason, but there are ideas like this that bleed into society, where "attractive" or rich men think that they can get away with being creeps because "well women like books like that, so they must like that irl too".
"how are you even talking when your windpipe got BUSTED" your delivery and editing are divine i choked on my food just like how hook wanted wendy to choke on his d
"Girl, what opinions? I don't remember the last time I ever read a single thought in your head that made sense to me." You didn't have to murder her right in front of all of our faces like that. 😂
I love that she traded a man who treated her like a porcelain doll keeping her mouth shut for a man who treats her like a porcelain doll keeping her mouth WIDE OPEN 😂
I…. What…. Just…. *how* was this book published?? Bruh 💀 Edit: Unsurprisingly, this book fails the Bechdel test. And the Mako Mori test. And the “can the author write sex scenes without triggering my gag reflex?” test. AND the “can the characters have a genuinely heartfelt, HEALTHY relationship?” test. …this book reads like an incel’s power fantasy about the third girl who rejected him in high school. Much respect to Cindy for sitting through it all.
I feel like going into a dark romance book looking "genuinely heartfelt, healthy relationship" is a bit misguided? It's like going into domestic thriller and looking for a supportive family with wholesome parents
@@losj3020 sure sure… ngl “dark romance” at this point is code for “dubiously consensual, toooootally not problematic relationship that the narrative tries to portray as ~sexy~” 🙄
@los j exactly. I enjoy dark romance because it's a safe way to look closely at things. I get it's triggering for some and they don't have to read it. But also they don't need to judge those that do. Ps. Which I don't feel Cindy does this. She even disclaimered that.
Given that the first parts of this story are about him wanting to defile her to take revenge on her father... he's talking about grape. There's a difference between dark romance and violent grossness - shouldn’t be excused just because he's conventionally attractive + the love interest.
@@chevvy427 I agree. Like you find that stuff on incel/creep blogs. But it definitely brings up the conversations around violent pornography too. Are we normalising the acts by normalising the kink in the media?
The amount of stomach cramping for Hook was downright concerning. Concerned? Stomach cramped. Turned on? Stomach cramped. Craving murder? Stomach clenches/cramps. Small sadness? Stomach cramps.
I think the thing I personally don’t like about Dark Romance it’s that usually the author focus just in physical attraction and sex and I can’t believe when the characters say they love each other because they don’t really know anything personally about each other. You have to at least know your partner’s interests and hobbies to have something deep going on. But I guess that how straight culture works.
I wrote a really cheesy comment of thanks for putting out one of these again but then deleted it cause i feel like I'm too emotionally expressive for this comment section but I really am so insanely happy that I will be able to watch this video and then come back to rewatch it again when my autistic brain scratches me to
man, I enjoy dark fiction so I'm not gonna shit on anyone who likes dark romance but damn, a lot of them are so, so bad 💀 One thing I don't understand is how dry a lot of them are. Like, as a genre that supposed to explore the border between romance/eroticism and horror/thriller, I expect at least something atmospheric and maybe a bit sensual (?). Slow burn, that feeling between discomfort and excitement, something that leaves you breathless etc etc. I get more hot and bothered seeing a guy in a suit flashing an ankle than reading these books🏃
This is why I decided to write my own dark romance books because the ones out there don’t have the psychological thriller and eroticism needed to keep me hooked. It’s just freaking sex and literally no plot.
100%. The slow burn and interesting charater dynamic is completely missing from this so called "dark romance". Why do ppl think graphic description is automatically sexy or dark? This sh*t is so boring and immature to me. Sticking to AO3 for now...
not me only realizing he keeps calling her darling cuz in the og Peter Pan her name is Wendy Darling when I literally saw it written next to each other in one of the excerpts....the references ARE too subtle for me lmao ToT
Now, it may just have been how Cindy summarized the plot, but this reads less like a Peter Pan dark romance retelling and more like a horny bad boy story with bad puns sprinkled in
the earlier descriptions of hook's "fantasies" made my already asexual self's stomach turn so much, and I think I deserve compensation. also, his edginess throughout just reminds me of someone who reads sexually violent manga or who used to frequent liveleak. which just convinces me that if this was real life, my guy would not be an attractive drug dealer that wendy could save, but an incel who ends up killing her, uploading the photos of it to the internet, and then offing himself before any type of justice could be served. if the author is into that, okaaaay but --
These typa books are why I stick with my fanfic and characters that I already know. Wait a minute, this is a story based off a tale that someone else wrote so wouldn't this be like elaborate fanfic?
i agree w/ cindy. but fortunately, fortunately! every fairytale retelling isn't a fanfic i think of fanfic as stories based on someone's else. hence why copyright and public domain and early fanfics have the "i don't own this so please don't sue me!" comments are a thing. this... isn't fanfic bc peter pan characters are now in public domain. so fairytale retellings aren't fanfic bc fairytales are folktales and not a single person/company owns them! that's why there's a difference between /just/ a cinderella retelling and retelling of disney's cinderella bc disney doesn't own the fairytale BUT they /do/ own the movie. i hope this is understandable!
What's wendy gonna do if she's getting railed by hook and he moans her dad's name? Then what?
😯😯😯😯🤓
STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP
YOU ARE WRONG FOR THIS OMYGOOOOD
OH GOD
Yeah I was wondering why he doesn't just try to have sex with her dad. That's the vibe I got.
My dark romance would be a father doing everything in his power to keep his daughter safe from being kidnapped. Only to be shocked by the reality that *he* was the one the kidnapper wanted.
This right here is an even better plot than whatever the hell that book was
I honestly need this
Yooooo, need it!
now that's interesting
When the plot somebody makes in the comments is better than thw actual plot
the darkest thing in this video is cindy holding her friends hostage and having them watch while she spends 1-2h making a video about some mediocre porn.
now THAT is torture porn
bruh I couldn't get through 10 min of this video 😭idk how they listened for 1+ hrs
I had to watch this videos in 5 parts to finish it 😭😭😭
lmaooo
Can we just. Can we write a female protagonist that is not young and innocent? Can we write women with actual life experience, please?
But how will the men DEFILE them otherwise
@@withcindy you make a good point 😅
I'm still waiting for the day omg. The obsession with purity culture is killing me...
Exactly, and even there is a female protagonist that is rather young, still she can have innocent characteristics but she should have her own mind, thoughts and feelings, just like a person can be kind but still that person needs to have basic logic, but many books are just failing to do so
Katniss springs to mind. I know she's imperfectly written but damn she's far more interesting and human than these strange female characters in smut.
An example of innocent character that's done right or interesting is early Sansa from Song of Ice and fire. She never lost her knid heart and innocent despite hardships, she got smarter at seeing who would use her and whose actually genuine and in turn played up her perceived naivety to fool enemies.
Her character is flawed like a aristocrat girl would be, yet her feminine qualities are never bashed in the narrative which is so refreshing to read.
"i coat her womb with my seed" made every organ in my body shrivel up at once
oh jesus i hate that i had to read that sentence
All my organs shriveled up at once AND I also cringed with the force of a million suns at the same time.
New hysterectomy unlocked 😭
"i coat her womb with my seed" EW ACUTALLY WHAT THE FUCK
"Guys, is it gay to like a woman?"
In this book, yes. Yes it is.
I knew it
It's so funny to me how this dark romance is slightly healthier than your average Colleen Hoover book.
I'm reading Colleen rn
@@withcindy can't wait to see your videos on it! lol
@@withcindy my condolences
Lol rip Cindy
@@withcindyoh, you’re definitely going to regret that…
a daddy's "not like the other girls" girl and an edgelord.A tale as old as time
The perfect match
and the daddy's girl is 18 and the edgelord is like 30
@@enviisykand the edge lord has been keeping tabs on the dad since he was 11 years old 🫠
And the edgelord has been with 20+ women
Why am I getting flashbacks?
“Imagine being a grown man that has beef with an 11 year old.” Pekka Rollins and Kaz Brekker. 😂
hook wishes he was kaz
EXACTLY
Snape and Harry Potter
Well to be fair, Pekka didn't even know who Kaz was, let alone have beef with him, so in reality it was the 11 year old that had beef with a grown man
@@withcindy real
badly written female characters in these modern books be like
"I don't need no man I'm strong powerful valid etc"
Also her when she meets a man: 😩😰😍😥😳😫🙇😻
the feminism leaves her coochie
feminism isn’t about not having a romantic partner and i really don’t like that portrayal in media :’) women can have and be both powerful and in love.
@@ashblu3 I think it's more about how these "strong" female became instantly submissive (not in the good way) to hot guys man handling them. It's perfectly fine to have romantic partner. We need female leads and their male love interets who feel like actual multilayered people in relationships or who don't express their attraction like WattPad self inserts.
We are reverting back into 2014
I'm so glad I'm not the only one who notices that lmao 🤣
Hook's strange erotic hate for Wendy's dad sounds like an alternate definition for Hate sex.
wendy was just used as a fleshlight for peter
@@withcindy this statement is so cursed and I just can't ever forget it now, thank you for this, Cindy
When you can't fuck him because of society's expectations, so you fuck his daughter while thinking of him.
Hmmm, not a sentence I was planning on writing.
@@withcindy I wish I was Jared, 19
@@withcindy Like father, like daughter.
Hook: on a decade long revenge quest against the man who murdered his father.
Also Hook: casually murdering men who probably have their own families.
The sequel should be one of the kids of one of the guys Hook killed hooking up up with his and Wendy's kid as revenge. The cycle never ends.
@@aster5285 bro i was about to comment this same thing asldjfalsdf
It’s ok though because he’s hot🙏
Every time you say “monster cock” my brain automatically corrects it to “monster croc” which makes much more sense for a character meant to be a Captain Hook reference.
Your mind…. It scares me
Maybe hook was just wearing Crocs the whole book
@@withcindy Maybe the real Hook was the crocs we wore along the way.
I kept thinking "monster clock" lmao
Monster croc but it’s just giant crocs (shoes) 😂
I just...really want a version of this where he seduces Peter, blackmails him, and ruins his relationship with his family and his reputation or something. Hook just so CLEARLY wants to sleep with Wendy's dad.
And then fall in love with Peter in the process
Many dark romance books would be better if theyd just let themselves be gay already.
I'd read this instantly
Better version
Yess
I'm starting to think that 'bad boy' is just a polite euphemism for 'hot scumbag'.
Ur right
At this point, basically
The fact that hook was so into someone named wendy michaels was the most unrealistic part of this book.
The fact that Wendy was into someone whose street name was Hook
@@withcindy exactly?! Who tf names themselves hook even as a street mafia/pirate name 😭😭
I nearly spat out my tea
Why is their last name “Michaels”??? Like that’s Wendy’s brothers name… why not have her name Darling? What the fuck is this book?!?!
And why is Hook's last name the same as JM Barrie? Like sure I get it but please no
This book has the energy of a 14 year old who just discovered what a darkfic is on Wattpad. I've read worse by accident online lmao
Hook is an edgelord for sure
This is so true
i'm pretty sure fairy tales are darker than this
Omfg you get me i was literally thinking that this is a book written by a 14 year old wattpad lover
Wendy is me in the early 2010s: Being morally superior about being a homebody and realising no one really cares eventually.
Happens to the best of us 😂
@@saphiwrath Thank you for understanding 🫂
@@user-fy4sp6xr9y For me, it wasn’t so much pretty girls as much as it was boys being wildly attracted to me because I’m a nerd.
Ur awareness is growth ❤️
@@PokhrajRoy. Right ? You think your nerd status will protect you and yet it doesn’t help one bit
Choke me like I'm Bart Simpson is not the imagery I was expecting in a dark romance. This truly is the darkest thing I've ever heard of.
New pickup line unlocked
He's gotta do the "why you little--" to get the milky milky, tho. That's what really sells it!
I CANT BREATHE
"Darling 👀💕 If I'm the darkness🌘🧛then 🫵 you are 🌌🌟the stars✨" I'm having flashbacks from Rhysand and Feyre I can't take this anymore
I didn't wanna bring up acotar but yes it was giving rhysand vibes
ohmYGOD nooooo now I’m also getting war flashbacks
Bitch I was thinking the same thing 😭
Thanks for the ptsd
please we as a community cannot escape
That party scene really got me thinking Hook just wanted Peter to be jealous that he was dating his daughter
Mmhmmm....
right, like the whole setup seems to me like hook's just trying to make his ex jealous lmao
Tbf if someone murdered my dad idk if my first thought would be to fuck their offspring and hope they see it.
When Hook said his name and I realized they named him after _the author of Peter Pan._ You know J.M. Barrie is rolling in his grave.
he died 4 this
You mean James? That's his name in the book.
Peter Pan the book, I mean.
@@victoriaweasley1115 Hook's last name is Barrie in this romance. :(
@@MsAnubisia actually really like that they uses that actually. It’s a nice little reference to the author and a theory about Hook’s real name. J.M. Barrie said that Hook is not his real last name and that if people knows it “would set this country in a blaze”, and there’s a referring to hook as “James Matthew B” lol.
any “adult” retelling of peter pan immediately gets written off in my book. who reads the original and thinks “yeah this would be better if it had more sex”??? it’s such an innocent story with a beautiful message about growing up. just sad imo
The og fairytales were p dark tho
@@circa134 Have you read the original story? It’s really not that dark. I mean, compared to some interpretations. Yeah it has some dark themes but they’re more sad than anything else
I actually liked the movie Hook with Robin Williams, it was adult in the sense that it explored maintaining childish fun while taking on the responsibilities of an adult. I know it wasnt well received but honestly one of my childhood favorites
“Losing my free will helped me find my voice.”
….
……..?
……………WHATT??? PARDON???? EXCUSE ME????? I-
My logic after I've had a lobotomy
I mean if she meant _literally_ with screaming or whatever, I guess it makes sense. Dunno what the flex is though.
WHADIDSHESAYYY😃
GURL- ✋😭
I’m not asexual, but the sex written in this book half convinced me that I may be.
Also Hook’s hate-obsession with Wendy’s dad is hilarious. Idk why but I expected him to moan his name when you were reading out the sex scenes. Would’ve laughed myself to hell’s gate.
I personally wouldve preferred a romance between Tinkerbell and Hook. Tink had more reason to want to go against Peter and Hook in the Disney movie actually convinced her to go against Peter. Idk, I just think a dark romance between a jealous fairy and a devious pirate wouldve been more kinky if that what the author was trying to go for.
Scenes like these from books made me actually realise that I am on the asexuality spectrum. And I was only further proven right as I got into a relationship for the first time. Idk, sometimes smit scenes are just the most disgusting sht ever
I was absolutely not asexual, but I may be teetering now. I don't think it's unusual to have every synapse turned off by this crap.
bro you've cracked the code omg@@torytellstales
im asexual and oh my god every reading of the sexual scenes in this made me start cackling. i was genuinely laughing out loud,,, do you know how fucking funny something has to be for me to laugh out loud??? on god the best work of comedy in the 21st century
i love how disgusted cindy is with how relatively vanilla/mildly kinky the sex in this book is
It's the principle 😡
I got the icks when she started reading about how they met.
Sure read like Hook was thirsting for Wendy's dad while going "I don't like him. I hate him, what are you, a baka?!"
Not hook-chan being a tsundere
Crying
@@withcindy thanks! I hate it!
I feel so much sympathy to every character that was in the proximity of these two 😭
All the partygoers like.... 🧍♀️
I want this to be a movie so bad so I can hate watch it
@@KadaArt tbh, it's basically 365 days, so you can watch hate that
@@withcindy ppppp eww
Why dark romances books can't be I don't know, maybe two villains falling in love and doing villainous things together and for each other
Omg that would be fun
Omg yes thats all I ever wanted!!
Yes and if it's sapphic or mlm or smth it'll just be the best thing ever
That was basically Iron Widow? Convicted murderer, tyrant and mafia boy commiting war crimes, ✨together✨
I adore that trope so much. Like, I wish to read a book about a villain couple that like wants to rule the world or something, they're evil, but not to each other, they adore each other to almost like point of obsession, put it's mutual, and they'll like, destroy everyone who like, cross the way of their beloved even slightly, or... Something along these lines
"Imagine being a grown ass man and having beef with an eleven year old" is hilarious because that pretty much is the original plot of Peter Pan but in reverse
I love how Cindy went from “I’m straight and fucking DESPISE men” to “my girlfriend made me read a tiktok dark romance book so of course I had to oblige ❤️”
GROWTH
If I wanted to write a kidnapping dark romance (not out of character for me) I'd write it so the victim was even more into it than the kidnapper. And the kidnapper was like. Wow you have some issues. We gotta work through this. I'm really worried about you.
Mine would be less of a romance and more like a horror comedy with his concept, with the mc wanting nothing to do with this man and just basically acting like a normal person
I would read this. That Is hilarious.
i cant explain it but the way you wrote this is reminiscent of a tumblr post
Isn't that already pretty much the plot of Killing/Stalking?
@@ndawn90 mine would be lesbian
The fact you can read this aloud in front of another person. You're made of something far stronger than anyone I know lmao.
poor ellias and sara
@@withcindy they’ll never recover from this 😂
The way even if I was into dark romance I could not take any of this seriously like what the hell, this is so embarrassing, what are those dialogues ? 😂😭
That mouth should be illegal ❤️
@@withcindy maybe that criminal element is why it's considered "dark" romance lmao
That’s just how these books work 😂 the dumbest books
Wattpad ass dialog
@@cherrisoda892 They monetized wattpad is what they did
He calls her Darling because in Peter Pan Wendy’s last name is Darling GET IT??
WOW so subtle!!
this entire experience is made better if you imagine hook as the disney version of captain hook, complete with silly mustache and poofy hat
Oh no
i literally just have the image of captain hook in that jake and the neverland pirates artstyle pulled up while cindy is reading and i can confirm it enlightens this experience 1000x
@@lunadetta don't you dare pull jake and the neverland pirates into this mess i used to watch that shit when i was like- 8 years old please 😭😭😭
@@TheFran2555 oh NO
no because that's exactly what I was imagining the whole time and it was torture
“Before he chokes her out like she’s Bart Simpson” *made **_me_** choke*
its a visceral image
I just feel like if I were to write a dark romance I would go for a concept more sexy than "creepy drug dealer at the club is kinda hot and wants to k1ll my dad"
Also I rarely see "dark" smut or romance that walks the edge of scary and romantic/sexy successfully. It *can* be done but people almost always take it too far in *both* directions too fast. Where's the build-up??? Where's the tension???
YES, THANK YOU! I can't recount all the times I've read a dark romance rec with people going "oh, this is so hot", "omg the tension" just to have the heroine getting wet for the hero after the first meeting. I get trying to establish sexual tension but when it's dark romance it just feels so cheap to make everything so sexual at the first chapter. Delayed gratification and the feeling of being on the edge of my seat is personally why I take an interest in the genre but so many books fail to deliver 🧍♂
Yeah I would like a slow burn but I think when ppl read dark smut they wanna get into the action right away lolol
@@withcindy only some!! -the ones with bad taste sorry not sorry-
Recommendation time!
“Beyond the Black Door” by AM Strickland is a villain romance. While there’s no sex (heroine and LI are both asexual), there’s still a mix of alluring and danger.
@@animeotaku307 An asexual villain romance book!! Sounds freaking amazing!!
I'm honestly embarrassed with how late I got to the realization that this was a retelling of the Peter Pan story. It wasn't until "Tina Bell" that I realized 😭
its so subtle
same omg
I may only be just past 6mins in, but the facts you are spitting about certain actions being considered sexy and suave by conventionally attractive men that are inherently seen as creepy if it was literally anyone else is why I love your channel so much. No hesitation with it either
Straight booktok dark romance is literally just sexual assault and Stockholm Syndrome but hey, it's a hot mysterious rich dude so that's cool
It's the difference between a romance book and a horror book
I remember thinking that when listening to my friend's talk about boys when I was a tween lol.
It's creepy either way
Nah I genuinely think only women in ya books and those weird redpill dudes consider that any woman actually considers this acceptable
“We have to be reminded that this book is dark and scary while still keeping it unquestionably vanilla” STOP THIS IS SO TRUE
“She’s standing so close, I can feel her glitching inside of me like a Bethesda game”
I've read fanfics with the "hurt/comfort" tag that were scarier than this vanilla shit, and that's not even talking about the Dead Dove tag. This book reads like it was trying to be "problematic" solely for the sake of being problematic, rather than because it actually wanted to tell a story with serious topics of concern.
i dont think it was trying to be problematic. i think it was just trying to be hot LOL
Kinda scared to know the answer, but what does Dead Dove mean?
@@justalostlocal "Dead Dove Do Not Eat" or just "Dead Dove" are tags used on fics on AO3 to indicate to the potential reader that they NEED to pay attention to all the other tags used, because those other tags' topics will be _written about,_ not just referenced or implied. The fic is what it says on the tin. Like, if you see the DDDNE tag alongside something like "necrophilia" or "cannibalism" or "rape/non-con", etc., then you'll know without a shadow of a doubt that these topics will be written about in scenes in graphic detail. The DDDNE tag is _only_ to be used on fics with problematic content that could trigger someone, not just for generic tags. It also relies on context, because you wouldn't use that tag for a fic for _Hannibal_ when all that's written is detailed cannibalism, because that's par for the course of the show, but you would absolutely use that tag if there's cannibalism detailed in a fic for _Paw Patrol._
The phrase comes from a scene in the show _Arrested Development,_ where one of the characters pulls a bag out of the fridge that says "Dead Dove Do Not Eat", the character looks inside, then looks back up to the camera and deadpans, "I don't know what I expected." The joke being that there was an actual dead dove inside the labeled bag.
@@BoredomBee Thanks for the detailed explanation! I always wondered where that meme came from lol.
does Dead Dove mean the topics are romanticized like in this book, or just that they're described?
5/5 stars for being a good ally to retail workers ✊
Hook was the one who started unions
@@withcindy Rhysand invented feminism and Hook invented unions. We love our progressive kings
"gratitude drizzles through my insides" was my breaking point lol
LOL you actually made it quite far
It’s hard to read the sexy bits when I’m imagining the Disney versions of these characters
i would guess hook looks more like the once upon a time version!
@@withcindy Never saw it, so it’s only the animated version in my head.
Omg 💀💀💀
As a Wendy literally named after the Peter Pan fairytale, this is not the representation i wanted but needed 😔🤘🏾i’m sick of pretending wendys arent dumb 🗣️
So the moral of the story is we don't take romance recs from tiktok
Never
Hey now, if it’s from ao3 there’s a 70% chance my friend wrote that (she’s not proud of it either)
"neverland" is such a foreboding name for an airline tho
Oh-
Every time Cindy mentions her girlfriend my heart grows three sizes 🥺❤️
Like how Hook's cock grows three sizes for every three bites of food the heroine takes?
You have her to thank for me picking up this book in the first place
@@withcindy All hail Cindy's girlfriend for making her read this book so we got to see her rant about it in the most entertaining way for like fourty minutes straight (or gay?).
I haven’t watched this channel in aaagess so last time Cindy said anything about her sexuality she said she was likely straight. I’m so happy for her! ❤️
Same energy as Hook's dick growing each time she takes a bite but wholesome
the visceral pain i felt every time you said "milky milky"
milky milky sucky sucky~
There is a reason I don't read what booktok reccomends. It's mostly a garbage fire on a trainwreck with the spice levels of tacobell mild sauce.
Do you have any recommendations for spicy books?
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@@RogueVideoRaven "Trick" by Natalia Jaster.
@@taylermuilenburg5029 I’m reading the reviews right now and…. There’s a 40 PAGE LONG SEX SCENE????
@@RogueVideoRaven I Have none but I've read better sex scenes on AO3.
Can't stop laughing at "I bet you say that to all your hostages"
Update: "Give me all your nothing" has taken over as the worst line in the book
"the man I've been keeping tabs on since I was 11" sounds so fruity. 😅 Also what the hell are Peter & Hook's ages supposed to be?
One of my favorite media ships is one that realistically would be exactly that. Granted, the guy saying that would've also been 11 at the time, but it's really funny to say "yeah he's been watching this guy on a monitor screen since they were both kids and has arrested him multiple times throughout the following years" without the context that his entire shtick is watching over every variant of himself in other universes and making sure they don't cause trouble. It just so happens to be that this other version of himself is an inherent troublemaker. Lmao
THAT sounds amazing!
It never ceases to amaze me how many books would turn from "dark romance/fantasy" to "horror/psychological thriller" if you just replaced the attractive male lead with an ugly guy.
Can you all stop with this incel talking points? “If I was a 6’2 alpha male you would be attracted to this”. Let women enjoy their cringy wattpad books in peace.
@@mr.worldwide5566it's moreso a criticism of the idea that being attractive means that doing generally creepy things (or outright crimes) is actually okay and totally hot. In fiction it's not the biggest issue ever, fiction is fiction for a reason, but there are ideas like this that bleed into society, where "attractive" or rich men think that they can get away with being creeps because "well women like books like that, so they must like that irl too".
Your passionate and breathless readings switching effortlessly to scathing sarcasm is killing me
She’s such a professional man… how does she not burst out laughing from reading this shit
I have the range
I have heard the word c*ck so many times during this video that it lost all meaning, Cindy is a true warrior for pushing through this nightmare
Dark Romance is the "I can change him" mentality taken to it's logical extreme.
"how are you even talking when your windpipe got BUSTED" your delivery and editing are divine i choked on my food just like how hook wanted wendy to choke on his d
What food r u eating
@@withcindy chinese 😌
@@Yssakai-art I want sichuan food!!
you just know the wattpad girlies were eating this UP!! Honestly respect to them, it must be tough being turned on by this.
Im a Wattpad girly lol
the amount that jm barrie has already suffered with edgy horny peter pan retellings and this one had the gall to straight up use his name...
I laughed way too hard at, “I know the girlies were fanning their 🐱 at this.” 🤣💀
💨💨💨💨
Cindy's deadpan "okay 😐" at 7:25 completely took me out she really has seen it all at this point lmaoo
I mean what else can I say at this point
Please read more booktok books, there’s been something missing in my life ever since you stopped reading ACOTAR books 😂
Maybe this will replace the hole that acotar left behind
@@withcindy seems like it "filled" it just right
"Girl, what opinions? I don't remember the last time I ever read a single thought in your head that made sense to me." You didn't have to murder her right in front of all of our faces like that. 😂
Ma'am, I respectfully request you become an audiobook narrator so we can all bask in withcindy judgment during every YA spicy scene 😭🙌🏾
this wasnt YA though 😭
@withcindy Yeah, but the rating's just an excuse to add sex to YA level writing ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I love that even the other characters dont take the main couple seriously.
Also ive read better sex scenes on wattpad so 💀
That's so true tho-
This is a “wear headphones and hide in your room” type video 😂
Play it loud u coward
Cindy, there’s a sequel. It’s Esmeralda X Claude Frollo. God help us all
Listening to this on earbuds at work and “glistening slit” made me spit out my tea in front of my boss 😂 Jeebus what are these sex scenes???
Play it out loud for ur boss
@@withcindy I second this suggestion
One time, my manager was reading ACOTAR and summarizing the plot to me during a slow day at work. It was truly one of the moments of all time.
I love that she traded a man who treated her like a porcelain doll keeping her mouth shut for a man who treats her like a porcelain doll keeping her mouth WIDE OPEN 😂
Underrated comment right here
I…. What…. Just…. *how* was this book published?? Bruh 💀
Edit: Unsurprisingly, this book fails the Bechdel test. And the Mako Mori test. And the “can the author write sex scenes without triggering my gag reflex?” test. AND the “can the characters have a genuinely heartfelt, HEALTHY relationship?” test.
…this book reads like an incel’s power fantasy about the third girl who rejected him in high school. Much respect to Cindy for sitting through it all.
I saw this book in target 😮
I feel like going into a dark romance book looking "genuinely heartfelt, healthy relationship" is a bit misguided? It's like going into domestic thriller and looking for a supportive family with wholesome parents
@@losj3020 sure sure… ngl “dark romance” at this point is code for “dubiously consensual, toooootally not problematic relationship that the narrative tries to portray as ~sexy~” 🙄
😂😂😂😂
@los j exactly. I enjoy dark romance because it's a safe way to look closely at things. I get it's triggering for some and they don't have to read it. But also they don't need to judge those that do.
Ps. Which I don't feel Cindy does this. She even disclaimered that.
You know how Reddit has r/menwritingwomen? There needs to be a community called r/womenwritingmen so we can put things like this on there.
Given that the first parts of this story are about him wanting to defile her to take revenge on her father... he's talking about grape. There's a difference between dark romance and violent grossness - shouldn’t be excused just because he's conventionally attractive + the love interest.
Valid but some ppl have a kink for that in fiction which I guess is why this book was popular?
@@withcindy you’re right, it’s true, I hate it 😭
this is exactly why dark romance isn't for me. so many of them are like this and I often lose hope in humanity reading 💀
That's exactly what I was getting from this... His weird fantasy about scarring her via sex did NOT sound hot or consensual to me at all
@@chevvy427 I agree. Like you find that stuff on incel/creep blogs.
But it definitely brings up the conversations around violent pornography too. Are we normalising the acts by normalising the kink in the media?
"I want to know you." "This is me" *disney knees* "I'M EXACTLY WHERE I'M SUPPOSED TO BE-- LET THE LIGHT....SHINE ON ME"
Those tok tok kiddos never heard of the real dark romantica, My Immortal
The OG
they need to put some respect on her name
"Warm, gooey gratitude drizzles through my insides" now why would you say it like that :(
I just love how you and your gf seem to have such incredibly different tastes in books lol
her favorite author is Sarah J Maas
@@withcindy that is absolutely hilarious
@@withcindy damn opposites truly attract
"Csn you imagine trying to convince your kidnapper that you're literally just a stupid bitch?" Your commentary is always so good. 😂
i hate to say it but i think it’s time for Cindy to read a colleen hoover book…please cindy midterms are coming up i need this
Reading one rn
@@withcindy my thoughts and prayers are with you, god gives his hardest battles to his strongest soldiers 🙏🙏🙏
Please let it be Verity, I have not read it but I read a review and it's INSANE
@@miyuu1317 LET IT BE UGLY LOVE, It's gonna be fucking hilarious cause that book's a joke
The amount of stomach cramping for Hook was downright concerning. Concerned? Stomach cramped. Turned on? Stomach cramped. Craving murder? Stomach clenches/cramps. Small sadness? Stomach cramps.
he has ibs
I’m so happy that I stay away from fantasy and dark romances. The only dark romance I love is Cindy and ACOTAR.
BYEE ☠️☠️
lmao trueee
You mean, the dark romance between Cindy and Acotar.
I think the thing I personally don’t like about Dark Romance it’s that usually the author focus just in physical attraction and sex and I can’t believe when the characters say they love each other because they don’t really know anything personally about each other. You have to at least know your partner’s interests and hobbies to have something deep going on. But I guess that how straight culture works.
Dude I think you deserve a lot more financial compensation for putting yourself through that my goodness.
The ad revenue will be my financial compensation
I paused mid bite when you started reading one of the smut scenes to turn to my phone with a horrified expression. My brain didnt even fully process 😭
I wrote a really cheesy comment of thanks for putting out one of these again but then deleted it cause i feel like I'm too emotionally expressive for this comment section but I really am so insanely happy that I will be able to watch this video and then come back to rewatch it again when my autistic brain scratches me to
Perhaps the most genuine comment among the sea of everyone reacting to monster co--
this whole video has me wanting to grab Wendy by the shoulders and scream “girl have some DIGNITY ffs”
STAND UP!!!
man, I enjoy dark fiction so I'm not gonna shit on anyone who likes dark romance but damn, a lot of them are so, so bad 💀 One thing I don't understand is how dry a lot of them are. Like, as a genre that supposed to explore the border between romance/eroticism and horror/thriller, I expect at least something atmospheric and maybe a bit sensual (?). Slow burn, that feeling between discomfort and excitement, something that leaves you breathless etc etc. I get more hot and bothered seeing a guy in a suit flashing an ankle than reading these books🏃
Every 5 min I have to remind myself this book isn't listed under the horror genre.
Right?? Where's the in-depth dark psychological aspect, the build-up?? Maybe I'm expecting too much, but damn I'll stick to filtering Ao3 stories 😭
I need some good dark romance/fiction recs cause all the ones I see are so fucking bad 😭😭
This is why I decided to write my own dark romance books because the ones out there don’t have the psychological thriller and eroticism needed to keep me hooked. It’s just freaking sex and literally no plot.
100%. The slow burn and interesting charater dynamic is completely missing from this so called "dark romance". Why do ppl think graphic description is automatically sexy or dark? This sh*t is so boring and immature to me. Sticking to AO3 for now...
not me only realizing he keeps calling her darling cuz in the og Peter Pan her name is Wendy Darling when I literally saw it written next to each other in one of the excerpts....the references ARE too subtle for me lmao ToT
It's rly deep and nuanced ❤️
I'm barely 10 minutes into the video and I'm already questioning reality itself, you sure picked a winner there, Cindy.
all thanks to my gf for picking it up!
Now, it may just have been how Cindy summarized the plot, but this reads less like a Peter Pan dark romance retelling and more like a horny bad boy story with bad puns sprinkled in
the acotar vibes were strong with this one
exactly what I thought
I didn't wanna mention acotar in the video but ur right
Every time I feel bad about my writing, I remember some people consider this to be a plot.
What did poor J.M. Barrie ever do to deserve this "not-a-retelling" retelling?
the earlier descriptions of hook's "fantasies" made my already asexual self's stomach turn so much, and I think I deserve compensation.
also, his edginess throughout just reminds me of someone who reads sexually violent manga or who used to frequent liveleak. which just convinces me that if this was real life, my guy would not be an attractive drug dealer that wendy could save, but an incel who ends up killing her, uploading the photos of it to the internet, and then offing himself before any type of justice could be served.
if the author is into that, okaaaay but --
This is why these men should stay fictional ❤️
I am listening to this in a cab and the driver is starting to notice the crazy faces I'm making at this dialogue 🤣🤣🤣
Play it out loud for the cab driver
@@withcindy 😆😆😆😆
Can we make it illegal to use the words “womb” and “seed” in sex scenes? Please?
Can we make it illegal to write sex scenes in books in general? Please?
It’s so nice to see Elias back! The Cindy x Elias Chaotic Combo gives me life ❤
More videos with us to come!
These typa books are why I stick with my fanfic and characters that I already know. Wait a minute, this is a story based off a tale that someone else wrote so wouldn't this be like elaborate fanfic?
that would make every fairytale retelling a fanfic i guess
i agree w/ cindy. but fortunately, fortunately! every fairytale retelling isn't a fanfic
i think of fanfic as stories based on someone's else. hence why copyright and public domain and early fanfics have the "i don't own this so please don't sue me!" comments are a thing. this... isn't fanfic bc peter pan characters are now in public domain.
so fairytale retellings aren't fanfic bc fairytales are folktales and not a single person/company owns them! that's why there's a difference between /just/ a cinderella retelling and retelling of disney's cinderella bc disney doesn't own the fairytale BUT they /do/ own the movie. i hope this is understandable!
@@bbadperson594 Ah, thanks for the explanation!
"Sir, this is a Wendy's" takes on a whole new sense
Thank u for noticing the double reference
@@withcindy you inspire me to try and read something like this, but I could never be as funny
This flew right by my head despite rewatching at least 10 times. Thank you stranger.
I was scrolling comments trying to find someone who understood!🤣
OH MY GOD, i didn't realise this lol