EMERGENCY! on the CSX Etowah Sub... M542 breaks a Knuckle and then coupler falls off
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- The CSX Antics were high today as M542 with a SD70Mac leader came north, and separated on the Etowah sub. The train was then brought up to a crossing and the coupler fell off once again sending the train into emergency for the second time. The crew takes the coupler and sets it back into place.
0:00 L710 (With no cars)
1:02 Northbound Hi-railer following L710
1:28 M542 Departs Wyvern Yard
2:36 Some Cows
2:51 M542 comes thru Rydal
4:45 M542 comes thru the North End of Bolivar siding
5:23 M542 is now moving at almost 60MPH thru Fairmount
5:49 M542 goes into EMERGENCY
7:16 The train is brought up to the crossing after 2 hours
9:15 The Coupler falls off, and sends train into emergency again
10:14 The coupler is put back on - Фільми й анімація
I was a conductor for CSX for over five years (Signal Maintainer now) and MAN things like this suck for everyone involved. I remember going a full year before a knuckle ever broke on any of my trips and I thought it would never happen to me. Sure enough, ended up having 3 broken ones back to back within a 10 day span
They always seem to happen far from the head end and either in the dark or rain 😂
@@sauced2007 I work up by Cleveland Ohio which is literally a stone throw from Lake Erie so add lake-effect snow and ice storms to that list of weather conditions 😂
Meanwhile one of my last trips on the south side of my old terminal, a northbounder that I was waiting on, had not just one BUT TWO knuckles due to Birmingham's infatuation with putting slop freight behind intermodal on a intermodal unit train. lol
Bad things ALWAYS happen in groups of three. Especially on the railroad! Derailments being a prime example. If you have one on your division/subdivision, best get ready for two more within a month. Guaranteed!
Let's make these trains even longer , this will occur way more. The old motto of the L&N was "Why spend a dime when a nickel will do " !! And just listen to all those flat wheels , way to go csx !!
New meaning for knuckle draggers.
Another lovely byproduct of PSR. The ghost of E. Hunter Harrison remains and haunts us every day.
That was pretty crazy, takes a lot to rip the whole draft gear right off. Great catch, very interesting 👍🏼😁🇺🇸
Unless it was a rustds/failed drawbar key. It happens. They can just fall out. Lol.
Would like to have seen the whole process of the repair.
Yep, That coupler draw box went to hell.🤯😵😱. Gotta get that thing fixed.👍
Awesome footage bro. Very cool to see how they fix something like that!
Great video even with chasing the train! To me its amazing how much these knuckles and couplers they can withstand b4 giving up. They're fortunate that this happened at an area that didn't cause danger to them or anyone else. Cheers from Laurel, Delaware and I'm a new subscriber of your channel.
Ripped the End Of Cushion device out of the Center Sill. Those coil cars have some mean slack adjustment, and that's why unit coil trains are usually limited to small amount of cars, because they tend to bust knuckles more frequently, with minimal Draft Force. This car finally tapped out.
We ran the coil unit trains like any other bulk unit train, such as, coal, grain, oil, etc, in 100 to 110 car trains. This failure is probably from slack action in the hog backs, one of the worst types of terrains to run in. The train make up could be a factor also depending on how the loads and empties are distributed in the train. It could have been caused by the train going into emergency also. Situations the Engineer has very little control of.
@@billmorris2613 This guy knows what's up
@@sharkheadism Thanks. Almost 50 years in Railroad Operations most as a UP Road Engineer. I only know of about 3 or 4 drawbar events. One pulled the whole end of a boxcar off that was loaded with corn. I never got a drawbar just a few knuckles. Claiming the grade on a bridge while the tonnage behind the engine exceeded the strength on the knuckle a couple times. After telling the Yardmaster we needed pushers. Something causing the train to go into emergency while running 50 to 60 MPH, with bad train makeup. Loads behind empties. Once going into emergency in the hogbacks (hills) between Alexandria and Monroe, LA. Similar to this drawbar event.
@@billmorris2613 I was a conductor for BNSF years ago and had a few coil trains, every engineer hated them because they were very heavy and very short which made train handling a lot of work. I think having trains made up with loads at the front and empties at the rear will never happen, carriers seem content to avoid that switching and deal with whatever havoc it causes on the road.
@@sharkheadism Our trains were made up in station order. Because the grain elevators were on the New Orleans Division (southern terminus for the railroad) blocks of grain would often end up on the rear. The coil cars was the same as grain or coal. Usually loaded to the max load limit, which was to 263,000 lbs gross weight of the car and cargo. Now that has been raised to 286,000.
Good catch.... Thanks for making and sharing...
Good of the crew to let you video the event, without making a big deal of it.
Wonderful compilation
The tension of being pulled is the only reason that whole assembly didn't fall off before then. As soon as they backed up, the tension was released, and on the ground it went!
Note the decal on the side, "A CSX quality car"! 🤣
I hope you continue this video with the complete repair job. Not every day you see something like this.
I just found your vids! Great content, easy to read, easy to understand!
The A line here in the Carolinas had a fairly long train going into a siding here in Four Oaks. (About a 6 or 7 mile long siding)... They were about half way into the siding when they had a pair of pull aparts... One of which pulled the entire coupler pocket off a car, requiring the car shop up to the north here heading down to repair the car before they could move it. The broken knuckle was further back in the train. Don't know if was a misbehaving DPU, bad handling, or whatever. There was about a mile of train behind the DPU, and the conversations on the scanner were rather pungent. The pull apart happened around 5 pm, and the train finally got clear around 9 or 10 pm... No pictures because it was at dusk, and by the time the crew from north of here arrived, it was very dark.
This looks like something that frequently happens to me on my model railroad!
Cool video!
Nice video keep growing!
Good Video.
I am ina and I love trains that get there cars on the other side of the track when it breaks a knuckle couple
This isn't only a problem with CSX. On the Sunbury Line in Pennsylvania we had trains stalling and going into emergency often and it isn't even a busy line. Maybe two or three trains per day...
This isn't just a CSXT issue.
Nice Video
Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 31 Oct 22.
I can't believe that railcar of a train's knuckle dropped off like that im so happy that it didn't break apart i am so happy about that
When the train left Wyvern Yard there was a tank car, two box cars then a rake of tank cars behind the locomotive... then in the next bit straight after Wyvern Yard when you showed the train as it passed through Rydal there was a rake of Grain cars behind the locomotive did the train stop somewhere between these two points...The writing that you put on the video was a bit hard to read in parts but an excellent video
I believe they picked up a cut of cars at the north end of the yard after passing my location.
Ok for all the ignorant comments. I'll explain what's happening here. The bolts for the retention plate for the EOC (end of car cushion unit) broke, allowing the entire coupler/EOC unit to fall out of the draft pocket. There's actually very little damage here, they just need to find that retention plate in the gauge and bolt it back up once the EOC is back in the pocket. Looks like a fairly new EOC, my guess is someone didn't tack weld the bolts and they worked themselves loose when it got replaced. 24 year carman for csx here.
As a conductor, yeah what that guy said.
It's a system car so a contractor wouldn't have done that to it, right? If it gets to a home shop, they should be pretty thorough with their work. I can't speak for every car shop but I know those guys at the Baldwin yard shop did not let a car leave unless it was top notch. Not like some of these contractors that would be satisfied with chewing gum and duct tape.
@@SD40Fan_Jason No, it's an easy running repair. Again, all that happened was the bolts came out of the plate/s that hold up the EOC. It's an easy repair. There's hardly any damage here. The tail end of the EOC is still up in the pocket which makes me think it's a two plate system, and just the front plate fell down. I've repaired many of these over the years, and as i previously stated, looking at how new that EOC looks, i'm betting some shop replaced it recently and didnt tack weld the bolts as the AAR manual requires, allowing the bolts to loosen and fall out over time.
Nice video
broke the whole box off 😳
Poor tired old ex CR / PC coil car. I can only imagine what the rest of the car looks like from underneath. Those old ex-PC cars had a hard start.
The joys of trying to run 3+ mile long trains with cars that were never designed to handle that kind of stress. Had that drawbar assembly fallen off when the train was still moving, it would derailed the hell out of it! I’ve seen it happen before…..it’s not pretty.
It depends on where the drawbar assembly falls and the speed of the train. If the draw bar assembly stays in between the rail horizontally it is not likely to cause a derailment and little to no damage.
10,000 foot is less than 2 miles long.
That is why they perfected the DPU to eliminate those excess stresses in longer and HEAVIER trains. But 10,000 plus foot trains were very common in the early 70s on the RR I went to work on. My first broken knuckle was on a train that was over two miles long at 2.376 miles. 2 miles plus 12 poles, or 12,547 feet long.
The first 105 cars was an empty grain train, then a block of empty auto racks, then mixed loads and empty’s, with 43 heavy loaded cars of scalp on the rear. Total cars was 218 with a total gross weight of 11,874 tons. The engine make up was from head end 2 F-7s, GP-9, Gp-7, 2 GP-9s, F-7. With a total of 11,500 horsepower all on the head end.
An air hose separation between the 112th and 113th car in the block of auto racks behind the 105 empty grain cars caused the train to go into emergency. The block of heavy loaded 43 scalp of cars caused excessive, uncontrollable, slack action behind mostly empty cars and mixed loads and empties. Resulting in a 50% new brake in the knuckle on the rear of the 57th car behind the engine.
My heaviest train was two grain trains combined together with 6 SD 40-2s all on the head end, no DPUs back then, pulling 155 cars of grain. Total gross weight was 20,382.5 tons with 18,000 Horsepower. When arriving at Avondale, LA the yard master told me to hit the Huey P. Long Bridge and take them to the CSX. I told him I needed pushers. He said you have 18,000 HP and don’t need pushes. I told him correct, except I have over 20,000 tons. He said his info shows only 77 cars with just a little over 10,000 tons. That was the first train but this is two grain trains combined with a total of 155 cars. He put a yard job with two SD-40s to push us over the bridge.
We operate on a flat territory except for the bridge. On the bridge we need 1 HP per ton to climb the 1,25% grade. But anything over 10,000 tons exceeds the knuckle strength on the rear of the engine. We made it to the CSX with no problems. The pushers got off when we stopped at the foot of the bridge on the other side.
@@troyr57 Close enough!
But we dont need car inspectors or Yardmasters .
someone said, "well there's your problem!!"
It's funny I use to cut out 10 bad orders on a unit train before it departed when inspected now with prc or what ever they call it every train is perfect.
@@irvin5839 Strange, In My Opinion.
Or conductors
@@brandino9381 thats what they say, just look at Lac megantic!!
I Was a conductor for a shortline railroad and i still remember the day we broke 3 knuckles in 1 day. I hated myself for choosing to be a conductor that day
Wow that sounds like a terrific day yall had!
Wonder if those steel coils are from TK STEEL in Calvert, Alabama.
Wow
well on the bright side its seems like a small fix looks like this car needs an overhaul or maybe sent to the scrappers
Unfortunately, this is every day with UP. At any given time, we'll have 3 trains stopped for broken knuckles, broken draw bars, loco issues, etc. And it's just getting worse...
and BNSF and NS and CP and CN and KCS....
I have a scanner just like yours
Nice catch. I wonder how rare that is
Rare, line of road incidents like this are way down percentage wise compared to 15 years ago.
Happened to me twice in 22 years as Engineer. It's not common. Neither incident was my fault, no investigation. Failed drawbar keys.
Oopses
9:58 class one freight railroads in a nutshell
Хоть я и говорю только по русски но примерно понимаю разговор.
О чем идет речь.
По работе я связан железной дорогой.
Звуковые сигналы тепловозов тоже мне понятны.
The whole fucking draw bar just died
1:17 Why the gate don't work the truck
9:27 That's a lot a Damage
No it's not. There's actually very little damage there. 30 mins and 2 carman can have it fixed and replaced.
where is the location at 2:50?
Rydal, GA. Just south of it
Nice
why wait till it fails aren’t they supposed to be on top of maintenance??
Sometimes you don't know there's a problem until this sort of thing happens. Even the best inspectors can't find a broken bolt when it's not broken yet.
And a car chase too!
did not show the repair!!
some coupler box fall off
Why are there cows in my train video, ha ha.
csx , how tomorrow moves , sure not moving today . What a load of junk . It amazes me they get any train over the road.....
We don't need no stinking inspectors
догуделся
The Drawbar was yanked not just a coupler.
Get a Baofeng UV-5R and you could talk to the crew!🤣👍
ummm drawbar isn't actually a thing, that's a foamer term. That is the End of car cusion unit the couple cross key goes through. All it did was fall out of the pocket.
Talk to the crew on the radio and you could go to jail! Not just jail but Federal pound me in the *** prison, to quote Peter from Office Space.
Maybe not a contributing factor in this instance,
but putting empties in front of loads is not a good idea.
PSR does not care about this.
It absolutely does care about proper train marshalling. And hundreds of trains a day throughout history have run with empties ahead of loads.
Coupler destroyed.
Is it just my imagination or is CSX accident prone?
The operation of railroading is a safety hazard. How it's dealt with is another thing. Most times, big class 1s will do whatever it takes to keep the trains moving so they can continue to make money. Sometimes corners get cut and the ones who cut them often get pinned for it, especially when it's costing the company thousands of dollars per minute to sit out there and hold up a mainline with broken equipment.
@@SD40Fan_Jason But hey 2 hours of discussion.
Next time you get the chance to film an EMERGENCY! then you stay in your seat until it's over😡😡😡, do you understand?😂😂😂
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and to think class 1 RRs want ENGR ONLY OPS... just plain STUPID
They do not want it on all trains...just certain ones.
@@cdavid8139 and which certain ones are those?
@@25mfd Generally they would be long distance runs with no switching in between. I'm talking Class I roads and not short lines here. Many short line and regional operations already operate with one man in the cab and one following the train in a truck.
@@cdavid8139 in 2014 BNSF proposed engr-only to the union... a new position called master condr was to be created... he would rove around as you said following different trains in the territory assisting when necessary... no more staying overnight in hotels, home every night... in exchange for that, BNSF said they would guarantee their employment meaning no more furloughs, you would never be laid off ever again... if things got slow they would put you on a reserve board and pay you 75% of your salary while you sat at home... the union turned it down
@@25mfd I do recall that or something similar. I've worked on a regional where this was put in place on over-the-road trains that switched along the way. Worked great. The "Master Conductor" could drive ahead and meet customers, line switches and prepare for what had to be switched. THey could then watch multiple roll bys and flag crossings. I found the crews liked it, the customers liked it and given we were running on crap track I liked having better eyes on the consist.
Major disasters are on their way
If the conductor gives permission, you can be on the right of way
Оторван поглощающих аппарат и автосцепное устройство.
next time do words in a darker color so u can actually read it
Disappointed with the ending I mean you could have stayed with it and got every bit of action that there was.
I was very pleased with the footage he captured, especially all the scanner talk. I don't think there was much more to see after securing the draw head, which he showed. After hours of waiting, I understand why he would have wanted to leave
CSX=Cheap Shitty Xpress!
Actually you are trespassing.
If you have permission, then its not. Which i did, they were completely fine with me taking pictures and recording.
@@atlantaterminalproductions5167 Who gave you permission?
@@billmorris2613 The conductor and Maintainer sitting... RIGHT there. Mind your buisness dude
@@atlantaterminalproductions5167 First; I am minding my own business. This is an open thread on a public social media web site. It happen to be a subject that I am an expert at and make my comments to educate the public. I’m a retired over the road locomotive engineer for a major First Class railroad. I have also been an official, and I still do Railroad consulting work.
Second; The crews are not authorized to allow outsiders on the property. That MUST come from upper management. I have to go through the process several times a year. So legally you are still trespassing.
@@billmorris2613 Im not questioning your authority by any means, but i wasn't even close to the tracks. Some guys will get right up on the rails sometimes standing on the tracks when a train is coming at them. I'm sure since you work for a class 1, you have experienced some of that tom foolery. I stayed at a respetable distance away from the guys and was chatting with them as well. And, maybe it was trespassing, but if the guys on site don't care, then i dont see a problem with it.
That's an engineer problem
Train: " Are you stalking me?"
I steel got two inch prison shoes
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