Which Wheel Width and Material Should you Buy? That depends on your bike and trails....
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- Опубліковано 19 бер 2021
- In this video we will compare the 2 main rim materials and their benefits and discuss which rim internal width works best for what tire width you run and the bike it goes on.
Learn about tire performance and behavior characteristics based on the rim you ride.
Link to a good video on tire behavior to rim width:
• Ibis Wide Wheels
Benefits of Carbon
Performance
They do not get flat spots on impacts
They stay true - rebound back to their round shape quickly when charging technical terrain improving how the bike tracks, especially noticeable on frames with more flex in the frame, so really they track better when aggressively leaning the bike over and cornering
Accelerates faster out of turns due to stiffness
Sometimes weight - but def weight to stiff ratio is higher
Can be tuned - carbon layup to achieve a specific ride characteristic
Less pinch flats
Make steering feel sharper and more controllable
Make the bike feel more “lively” and responsive
Help you maintain speed as less energy is lost to wheel flex
Deflect predictably off obstacles
Benefits of Aluminum wheels:
Rideable when damaged, if they are not full taco
Less expensive to replace - especially if you are prone to breaking wheels - huckers run aluminum e-bike wheels and still damage them
Forgiveness due to flex
Riders who like aluminum:
Tend to destroy multiple rims in a season
Enjoy riding far from civilization
Feel the ride quality of carbon wheels is too harsh - although this is not something I have ever heard anyone say, just read it on a forum
Riders who like carbon:
Seek performance gains
Look to shed weight off the bike
Want to true wheels less often
Hate denting wheels
Have experienced no prior carbon failures
This is an excellent video explaining all the options! And my setup is actually exactly like you say.
Thank you!
Great vid, explaining it. I had 2.40 on 23mm, felt much better after replacing Maxxis 2.30 hightoller2 c3 maxxterra with Michelin wild enduro, better side knobs, more stable, less squirmy, with 62 deg head angle maxxis just don't feel great, they feel OK, but Michelin was another level, it actually made trackstands much easier, but once I got the 30mm rims, fakies and turns got smoother, less round tyre, was bit too round on 23mm, not horrible, but not greatest.
I won't go back to 23mm rim, nor Maxxis tyres.
1.5 playback is great.
Thanks 😂
@@davidcuellarjustiniano1341 LOL
Great video. I'm running DHR II combo with 25mm iw rims. I've ordered 30mm wheelset, hope to really notice all these benefits.
I have 34.5mm ext they have Excellent Support they are 500grs so just 1 oz more than CF . I'll Stick to Alloy till im a Pro ..... lol lol
Great video. Thank you
I ride my 2021 s works epic on about everything. 2021 has 29mm internal width. The older model had 25mm internal. On trail the 29 is way better but on flat hard ground you get a lot more bobbing from the extra float from the volume. Probably doesn't slow you down that much.
Excellent video and well explained...and no irritating background musak. Thanks.
1000'th one! Thanks for the great and in-depth video!
Awesome! Thank you!
Im running Sun Duroc 30s with Specialized Fast Trak 2.35s. Works very well.
So i have a 2021 Stumpjumper alloy comp. Stock the bike comes with 30mm internal width rims. I want to upgrade my wheelset for better engagement and an XD driver freehub to I9's 101 aluminum wheels. They offer the trail 27mm inner and the enduro s 30.5mm width. Should i stick with the 30.5 enduro type wheel or go 27mm trail to get a lower weight? i like the 2.3 to 2.4 tire profile overall. I don't do crazy jumps or anything so curious which i should go with. I'm thinking 30.5 to keep in the same dimension when specialized designed the bike.
If you are staying 2.3 or 2.4 and riding trail and not doing long, technical, rocky descents, the trail wheel at 27mm internal will work great. I would save the weight on a bike of that travel that is a trail rider!!
Greetings, I recently bought a Tallboy and wanted to put some carbon rims on it, I'm between 27mm or 30mm. the most I do are Trails and XC. What do you recommend for that type of bike?
Thanks,
30mm is a great overall width and a 2.4 tire is perfect for that riding style and rim.
Specialized now has 30mm inner rim width wheels meant for 2.1” gravel tires on a gravel bike (Roval Terra CLX Evo 700/650b).
What’s your take on this, given that you recommend 27mm inner rim widths for 2.2-2.4” XC bikes? What if weight is not a concern - what is the Goldilocks ratio for rim width to tire width? Thanks!
Hi Erik, for a 2.1 a 30mm width would be fine, and on a gravel bike it would stiffen the side wall for protection as people are likely running a very light casing to keep weight down. I still think a 27mm is more ideal for total compliance and the brands never stop making new stuff to sell. As far as a goldilocks, this is hard as people have a preference for feel. I follow the widths in the chart I put in the video, and also rune different width front and rear on all my bikes based on what I want the tire to do. A 2.4 on a 30mm will be more round and roll faster in the rear than a 2.4 on the front with a 35mm inner creating a higher traction patch for cornering and not drifting as much. Specialized tends to do their research and there is obviously people who want higher traction with less air and this wheel would help with that by supporting a stiff sidewall. They also make 50 versions of everything so they keep market share, lol....
The problem with running wide rim, narrow tyre on mtb is that the side knobs become part of the straight line wear profile, which feels yuck and wears out the knobs faster.
On a gravel bike, you don't tip the bike over onto the side knobs to corner so the tyres are designed as such and a narrower tyre will pair with a wider rim.
I ride 2.8 inch tires on 35 mm internal width rims and I wanted to change them for 2.6 inch tires because, while I like the traction they offer, they feel a bit heavy sometimes. Do you think the 2.6 tires would perform and adapt good on this rim? Thanks
Yes, it will work well.
Hardtail RSD middlechild , 35mm rim 27.5 , 2.4 rear 2.5 front wt maxxis tires . We are one carbon .
Nice
What about a 25mm rear to save weight and 30mm on the front for cornering traction. I ride a Pipedream Sirius set up single speed. Thanks!
That is my setup on my Mondraker and it rocks, do this!
How do Maxxis WT tires come into the equation? I have a Ibis Ripley V4 that came with 35mm IW wheels and 2.4WT tires Rekon (r) dissector (f). I wanted to save some weight by goi g to a narrows wheel, but if I mount the Rekon on a 28mm wheel it goes from a width of 2.4” on the i35 wheel to a 2.2” width on the i28 wheel. Maxxis claims their WT tires are designed for i35 wheels. I really like the tire combo, but did not like how it felt on the smaller wheel. Do you think I would be better off with something like the I9 enduro wheels at a 30.5mm IW?
All WT means is a wider casing, it works fine in all the ranges you shared. A WT really only matters if you go wide, then regular casing struggles.
Hi, I ride maxxis assegai 2.5 in a Marin alpine XR and I just change my rims for the dmr zone 35mm and added front and rear cush core do you think this is optimal?
That should be an awesome setup.
Thanks for your video. My gf's bike is a trek ex5. I want to put 29 carbon 30mm internal with 2.6 tires. good?
That will work!
How about rigid touring cromo niner that can fit 2.4-2.6 max and travel with heavy load on ruff terain? What's best rim for this setup? Obviously i wana low pressure its only suspension i have
If you can run the 2.6 and find a rim with 35mm inner you can run lower pressure this way and get a batter ride. Stay 30mm and wider Inner width. I run 35mm inner of a 2.4 tire and love it. 2.6 would be even better for your rigid!
hey buddy! I have a rim with a 24 mm width. what's the best tire size for this? is it ok with 27.5 x 2.3? Thanks
It will work. It will have a rounded profile which will create a more supple sidewall so air pressure will need to be kept up to avoid pinch flats or rim damage. The advantage is the supple sidewall, if you get the air right, it will feel good on the trail.
If you run a 35mm front with 30mm rear what size tire would you use? Same 2.4 front and back or would you go 2.5 front 2.5 back?
You can run the same size, either of your shared dimensions. It changes the tire profile, faster rolling in the back, higher traction in the front. For a faster back you can go to a 2.3.
Question, Zipp 303s with 23mm ID what do you think of mounting the Vittoria Mezcal 29x2.1 for a gravel bike? Thank you
That would be a killer combo!!
I am considering 35mm alu with 2.6” tires for my Rocky Mtn Growler 50 hardtail for PNW around Seattle area. Sound about right?
It does
Asking sir if recommended use my rim 0D 26 and inner D. Is 22.2 for xc and how much tire width need use is 2.25 is OK or not? Thank you sir.
It's good
I have a 27.5x1.5 tire, what rim size should I use? is a 20mm inner width an optimal size?
Dang, that is a skinny tire. I would not have an answer on that skinny.
How are19mm rims and 35mm tyres?
Mmm i bought a 2.6inch for a 40mm internal rim width 27,5inch... Might be a tad too small, i wonder how it will go.
I would think 40mm internal will be ok for a 2.6, it will just have a flattened profile, which in the front can be good for cornering. In the rear I would think it would not be as good.
sir i have 25mm ID rim what tire size can you recommend can i used 2.40 and 2.35 same 29er thanks
yesm they will be a little round and need slightly higher air pressure, but will work. a 2.25 would be more optimal, but a 2.4 will run well.
Will 2.6 inch assegai be ok for 30mm inner rim (WAO Union 27.5) for front tire? (Its for a girl~ 125lb)
Will work great.
Can you ride with 35mm rim with a hub 135x10 100x9 QR. Saw this good price on the rim with 35mm internal rim width, so I was just thinking buying a hub and spoke for it but my bike is only for QR
That would work just fine.
Hi I am going to be upgrading my wheels on my new trek fx 2 disc hybrid bike. I am looking at a set of dt swiss rr421 asymmetric rims.. I will be running 700x35c schwalbe marathon. The rr421 has a 20mm inner width. Do you think the 20mm inner width is a good width for 700x35c or should I be looking at a different inner rim width to get the best proformance and ride quality out of the wheelset. And do you know anything about the rr421 rims. And you please tell me what is the difference between asymmetric or symmetric rim. Thank you for the information and reading my comment
20mm should work great for this. will make them a little stiffer for lower pressure and provide high traction. I would not go any wider if you choose a different wheelset. As for Asymmetric vs symmetric, it is how a wheel is laced and where the spokes line up in the rim. Assymetric will help balance the spokes, think of this as a triangle and the lengths of the sides being balanced. In reality there is no noticeable difference at this rim width and size.
Thank you for the
information
I have a Giant Faith 0 2012 Bike, 27.5 wheels and I do mixed free ride and downhill stuff. My tires are michelin DH22 2.4 front and rear. Is the Sunringle Duroc SD37 with 32mm internal rim width good enough? Thanks.
Those should work great!
@@LoamRoamer Thank you for the assurance. By the way, I have decided to buy cushcore as I am a bit heavy at 90 kilograms and I want to protect my rims. The only available stock in my local bike shop is Cushcore Plus for 32mm-45mm rims / 2.6 to 3.0 tires. My rims are 32mm but my tire is only 2.4. Will it work fine or will it be too cramped inside?
Hi sir i have a tires for 29er 2.25 xc build. which rims size for inner , outer width , narrow or wide ? works well ? Hope u notice me . Thanksalot
27mm internal width would be great here. 25mm will work, but if you ever want to go to a wider tire it will be better to go 27mm
Hey buddy, how about 29mm internal? Too much different between 29mm and 30mm? And for 29mm rims what tires width so you recommend? And buy the way, is 29mm considered XC?
29 and 30 are super close. That is a great width for 2.3 or 2.4 tires. What might make it xc vs trail is the number of spokes and rim strength.
@@LoamRoamer Amazing explanation. How about rim depth. I dont see people talk about rims depth a lot, is it not important? I found these carbon wheels, 30mm inner width which is what I was looking for but the Depth is 30mm, is that too much? I often see 25mm.
Any consideration for different internal F/R for overall balance of the bike since they gonna flex differently?
This is something you actually want. The front to be a bit stiffer for cornering control, and the rear a bit more flex for better following and deflection as it hits items. You also manage this with spoke count. wider, stronger, stiffer front, but 28 spokes, slightly narrower rear with a bit of flex, but 32 spoke to withstand the impacts of a rear. think of this as a way to truly dial in your ride.
Hi I do have a 20.5mm inner width of my rim. Just bought a 2.2" tire. Does it fit? Thanks
Yes, the tire will have a more rounded profile and need a bit more air to manage that.
I have a 27.5x2.10 maxxis freeflow..
what is the optimal rim width for this?
24 to 27 mm ID
What's the recommend inner rim width for rear wheel in trail/enduro type riding?
28 to 30mm inner
@@LoamRoamer tnx for the reply bro. Appreciate
Hi,
I gota pair of 700C wheels, with a internal Rim Beed width of 0.6 inch (15.24mm). Can you Pls suggest what the widest tyre I can fit there...will 700x35c go there?
Thanks
Yes, it will work. It will be a little rounded and need a little higher air pressure is all.
Okay,
thanks for your help
Planning on xmc 1200 rims(30mm) for assegai max terra 2.6 . Hows that ?
This will work, will be a little rounded, but that tire isn’t too bad on 30mm and traction will be great!
Hi! What rim width is perfect fit for 2.20 tire?
25mm would be the best 27mm would be very good in my opinion.
Strong & wide aluminium wheels have no flex built in them and modern carbon wheels often have radial give built into them, all sorts of compliance or strength are built in wheels.
I want to build a Hybrid bike with mtb frame and road bikes rim and tyre. Does this works?
Yes
Good video.
Not sure how easy it is to do, but it would be very useful to have timestamps on your video - as it is 20 min long and would be useful to be able to jump to specific bike setup / type that is of interest [street/urban, mtb, road, etc.].
cheers
JB
My plan is to go back and try to do this on all my videos. I started this as a hobby and should definitely learn the tool better. I appreciate the feedback. Thank you for watching the video, I hope it helped.
@@LoamRoamer Great!
Here is a short video on how it is done - looks like it is pretty easy & one additional advantage is that Video Timestamps can be listed in Google search results
ua-cam.com/video/yfEdhlBuxCU/v-deo.html
But for sure, adding timestamps to a video is lower priority than adding content.
Yes your video was useful thanks.
Though, I spend very little $ on cycling, so going out and buying carbon rims etc. is not going to happen.
But I feel better about that having heard your explanation that really both alloy and carbon rims each have their own plus points.
So cheaper and more robust alloy wheels it is.
Lighter would be nice, but well, I don´t have the money nor would I feel comfortable leaving my bike locked up in town if it had $300 to $500 rims on it.
Both my bicycles are second hand 26" mtb´s that I mostly use for getting around town on badly surfaced tarmac or cobbled streets [that´s my 90%].
I am not able to experiment with rim widths.
But I did experiment with tyre volumes and widths, and found that by far the best setup for me is running a fat [2.15" / 2.25"] tyre on the rear but a narrower 1.75" to to 2.0" on the front.
The higher volume tyre on the rear wheel acts as suspension / cushioning.
Whereas the smaller tyre on the front gives notably better handling - it is firmer and the front suspension fork means that it is still bearable.
And I made that setup change after reading an online article from Bike Gremlin.
So, yes, articles like yours and his are definitely useful, because it convinced me to try a different setup that I did not really think would actually be better - but it was.
cheers!
JB
My Enduro came with a 35 inner width, what's the smallest tires can I fit on?
A 2.3 will work but be blocky so may feel like it transitions to cornering poorly. 2.4 and up will work well.
I read that on another site, 2.6 is you medium and best tire size. I did some research with that size. I just couldn't find anything about putting wide rim on the narrow hub. It seems like it will be ok.
Can I run Maxxis ardent race 27.5 x 2.35 as a rear tire on Entity XL2 internal , 35mm??
You can, the tire will be squared off and a little stiff, on the rear this could be great.
My bike is a 26er and outer rim width is 25mm. Can i use 2.20 tyres on it?
Yes, 26 x 2.2 will work if they fit the frame
How is the Berd Hawk 30? This is a WAO carbon rim. Onyx or Industry 9 hub?
Oh man, both great hubs. Onux is heavier, but dead silent and smooth with instant engagement. I9 is a little lighter, made in the US, and awesome product. If weight is part of the plan then I9, otherwise I might go Onyx here.
YOOO! I have ST Hardtail bike with 29 inch wheels and 2.30 high roller 2 (front) and 2.25 crossmark 2 (back) maxxis tires... and I bught yeasterday the posterior 27.5 inch wheel with 23mm internal width... (same width in 29) i would like to add the maxxis minion 2.40 tire for this 27.5 wheel... what you think about this combination? is it a good idea? i ride more less 80% trail 20% mountain... help me please! :)
It will work well, should roll fast.
@@LoamRoamer thank You ❤️
Please am using 26×1.95 tire, can I also use 26×2.25?
Yes, as long as it fits the frame
Can I run a DHR2 2.4WT with a 25mm internal
You can, it will just be a little rounded and require slightly higher air pressure.
Hey loam roamer is it ok to put a 2.40 tires on my 20mm rim ???
You can do it, it will be round and require some higher air pressure so it will feel firm. But yes, you can.
Backpacking on a drop bar gravel bike? Which is best? Thoughts?
If 700c 25mm with a 2.0 if it fits. 650b I would try a wider rim, 27 -30 and 2.2 up to 2.4 XC tires if they fit. Get the cushion!
@@LoamRoamer That’s kind of wear my research pulled me towards as well. Thanks!
what is the best tire for 25mm inner and 30mm outer rim?
1.8 to 2.25 would work well
Can a 1.95mm tire fits with a 27mm internal and 32mm outer width rim?
My rims are 29 mm inne, can i put 2.4-2.5 in those rims?
That will work great.
Would it be good to have 35mm IW rim to a 2.3" tire
The tire will be pretty ssquared off and not flex well. Better to have a 2.4 or bigger if you can. If on the rear it is not bad, on the front it will sacrafice some corner grip due to the sidewall stiffness and deflection.
So I bought a pair of enve m6 40plus and didn't do enough research I have a 27.5 niner rdo the new enve I bought are 40 mil internal and mybtires are 2.5 😅 I'm guessing I need to send these back asap. As it's th e same tire but wider rim please advice 🙏
That is definitely a lot of rim for that tire. the M635 would work, but the M630 would be better at that tire width. Great wheels, hopefully, they let you exchange!
@@LoamRoamer biggest tire I can fit on my bike is 2.6 will that work with these enves
I sent them back and picked up brand new m630 thanks man
Does a 27.5 x 1.95 mm tire fits on a 27.5 rim with an inner width of 26.5 and outer of 32mm?
Yes, it will be a little squared off but will work just fine.
@@LoamRoamer thanks, been thinking of it for a long time... Haven't seen any reviews regarding that.. Thanks
what is the slimmest tires i can put on 34 mm wide rims?
If 34mm is the inner width about a 2.3, if it is the outer rim width, then a 2.1 would work. Anything narrower will start to create a stiff ride with straight sidewalls.
@@LoamRoamer thank you for this
hi
can i install my 2.40 tires to 40mm rims?
You can, they will be very squared off. If the inner width is 40mm then better off with 2.6 or bigger. If outer is 40 tltou will be fine.
Is there any rim that works well for a range of 2.25 - 2.40 ?
25 to 30mm. If 2.25 in back 25/27 internal. 2.4 up front 30mm internal mixed width. Will be super awesome.
30mm 😎
i have a 29er 30mm inner width rim, whats the smallest tire it can fit in? im using 2.5 aggressor front and 2.5 dhf front. its a bit sluggish.
how much difference in terms of rolling speed between 2.5 and 2.4?
2.25 would work fine.
My new XC bike came with wheels with 20mm inner rim width. Is that to narrow? The tyres are 29"/2.25" Recon Race.
That's pretty narrow. 27mm internal would be great.
@@LoamRoamer So i should just return the bike and try to find another one with wider rims?
@@LoamRoamer After doing some research, i found that most XC hardtails for sale here in Norway comes with 20mm rims. Some exceptions are Kross who uses 23mm rims, and Giant who has a bike with 25mm rims. Tyre width is 2.2 or 2.25.
@@LoamRoamer Брат , а внутренний диаметр 30 мм , для шины 2.20 будет великоват я полагаю.!!!????
Why do Loic Bruni and Troy Brosnan run 25mm internal in World Cup DH? High speed and gnarly tracks
They run what they like for their riding style. Other pros run 35mm.
Ok I bought a cheap mb, the company actually put 19 mm Id rims with 2.1 tires... Now I'm looking for 30 mm...when looking at rims there are a ton of 21-22 mm rims for mountain bikes on the market!!!
Some of this is to keep the weight down. Ultimately, you decide what you want based on performance characteristics and what compromises you will live with.
Planning to buy 29er rim 35mm internal width... Can i fit 2.4 tire? Thank you...
Yes it will fit. It might have a stiff sidewall, but that means lower pressure could be possible, test that put! On the front that means higher corner traction.
@@LoamRoamer thanks you... i will make it tubeless... no problem??
Spank 395+ ang maxxis ardent 2.4
Newman do a real nice ebike wheel i run front and back they are the new dintproof rims they take a beaten thats for sure still not a mark on them there solid!
Is it okay to put wide tires in a narrow rims?
Yes, it will just feel soft on the sidewall.
Thanks!
27mm inner width for 2.50WT would I die?
Lol, no. This made me think of the movie scene where Mr Chow says, “ But did you die?”
@@LoamRoamer 27mm with Assegai 2.50wt, that's what I'm about to do Im riding mostly rockies and steep sections and a lil bit of jumps.
Thanks for the reply! 🤘
33 inner, 39 outer , 2.6 tires👍
nice!
Any diagram to visualize what you are narrating? So that it make sense to watch a video clip instead of just listen to a podcast.
there is a link in the description to a very specific video diagram.
Any decent carbon rim (and Enve) will have a lifetime warranty, so actually they might be better for those who smash rims a lot.
If you are getting crash replacements, that is different from the manufacturer's warranty. And if you are a hucker who smashes, and you go ride remotely, this is a tough idea as you will get to walk out 15 miles. But, if you are a near the car rider then I guess walking back is OK verus bending and riding.
@@LoamRoamer I pushed my bike 5km the other day .... I was Not HAPPY LoL
Reading MTBR, I'm coming to the conclusion that 30mm works best for the stuff I want to run which is 2.3-2.5" wide tires. 35mm seems to be for 26" and up.
35mm up front for Enduro but what tire width?
It can be, I like the profile of a 2.4 magic mary on a 35mm inner up front. 30mm works great for the range you are tlking about.
@@LoamRoamer I only intend to run DHF DHRII on these and have DHF and DHR II on my other bikes.
Now sure how that will turn out with a DHF 2.5" on a 35mm vs 30mm. Right now I've got some 2.3" DHF DHRII on there on WTB STp i29s. They don't even have eyelets...
I Run 2.5 F 2.4 R 34mmExt 30In Alloy 😎 20/20psi. 24/24 Highspeed 😎 LW Rider Wheels are Good
Nice
I ride 30mm for gravel too LOL 😂
If I was 650b I would for sure. I keep thinking about doing this to improve the comfort of the bike!!
Why talk about bikes. Was supposed to be about rims. I ride a trek 1120 with Sun Duroc 50’s. This video did nothing for me !
Glad to help with the chasm of emptiness.
1000'th one! Thanks for the great and in-depth video!
Awesome! Thank you!