M.A.S #9 | REVIEW: Rotring 800 vs Rotring Rapid Pro - Mechanical Pencils
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- Опубліковано 4 лип 2024
- As an engineer you will have the pleasure to go through calculations and scheme diagramas in every day life... Let's analyse it as such!
Finally we can find the better one...or can we? - Наука та технологія
Time stamps:
00:40 1. Technical Aspects
04:43 2. Mechanism
09:01 3. Design Flaws
10:46 4. Feeling in hand & Sound Test
12:14 5. Price
12:43 6. Conclusion
Great review. Thanks for taking the time and effort to do these reviews, it helps a lot of people.
Thank you for watching and commenting! Helping people in this way is the purpose of my channel, I'm glad it works! Thanks for your kind words.
Great technical review. I love watching these videos. Thanks. 👍
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching.
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This video really helped me see the differences and specs. Great work! I will check out the other vids before I choose :)
Have both and love them both. Different feel, but I couldn’t say one is better than the other. They ‘make me’ reach for them to draw something. A real pleasure to use. The 800 in black is exquisite with the gold tip, while the rapid pro is nicer looking in silver in my opinion. The weight of the pen is great for sketching. You can’t go wrong with either, but you will probably end up buying both as I did. When you think about how much you will use them ( and you will!) the cost is a non-issue. The retractable tip is a must if you take them out for urban sketching. If you only use them at home, the 600 is a solid contender. Only negative for me is the lack of a lead indicator.
Thanks for your comment! It's a good approach, each one has its advantages.
Please, do you own any of the Faber TK 4600 or the TK 9400 or Rapid Pro 2mm? Is the Rapid Pro 2mm clutch, better for drawing, than the Faber Castell models? I'm ready to press the order button, but the reviews on it, are mixed. Others say t=it's the best, while others the opposite. I would really appreciate your opinion.
I'm only here because I ordered a rapid pro off amazon and got the 800, lucky surprise.
Lucky indeed! Would you get the rapid pro anyway?
@@m.a.s.engineeringgadgets4867 I don't supoose I would, I was looking at the rapid pro as a budget option, but now I have what a more "well off" me would buy.
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Great Technical Review... Good descriptions and Wise use of graph paper.
Hey thanks for your nice message!
Very detailed and organized. I like it. 👍🏻
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I only had the 600, but right yesterday the 800 and Rapid Pro both were on sale and I placed a new order. Looking forward to receive them and compare with the 600! 😍
Rapid pro’s grip is like a file so I tried to use it cut note that was sewed to jeans and it worked perfectly, also it can be used as nail file
Hahah exactly! I tried it myself too.
thanks it helped me a lot
Thanks for watching! I'm glad it could help you out!
While the grip on the Rapid Pro is more aggressive out of the box, I found that at least on mine, that seems to "mellow" rather quickly. To a point where I almost find it nicer to grip than the 800.
Thanks for your comment!
I'm still confused about which one to buy.. I like the streamlined design of the Rapid Pro but am worried about the red plastic material on it, will it last long term?
On the other hand, the 800 has a rigid design with a full metal construction, but that's too short in my opinion, and the ends are too wobbly, even when compared to Japanese products where the ends are very stable like the 925-35
any suggestion? need a key answer regarding the durability of the red plastic on the Rapid Pro for the long term..
I have both. Forst I got a Rapid Pro 0.5, and until recently, I purchased the 800. I also have three 600 in 0.5.
The Rapid Pro is an amazing piece. It feels luxurious out of the box. But to me, it's quite heavy. My hand is small and my grip is quite light. I also have in silver and I find it slippery when advancing the lead. For that reason, I find the Rapid Pro less comfortable than I would like. But I do appreciate its quality. It feels almost like a surgical instrument. Then I proceeded to buy my first 600 and I LOVED it! Its weight, balance point, and solidity won me over. Then I got my 800 because I read that it's a 600 with a retractable tip and I was interested. It is indeed. The jiggle from the extended tip and when advancing the lead doesn't bother me. Its weight is between the Rapid Pro and the 600. It's also a tiny bit chunkier than my beloved 600. BUT its big plus is the retractable tip and for that I think it works fantastically well!
It seems you have all what you need for its specific function. Thanks for sharing your opinion!
In my case, I decided to stick with the 800 instead of the 600...it felt somehow better in my hand. Of course, besides the reviewed points, there's also a lot of subjective feeling in it.
Holy moly what a gorgeous pencils
Which one is your favorite?
@@m.a.s.engineeringgadgets4867 rotring 800 silver 0.7mm
I have the rOtring 800+ the rapid pro, I love both of them but one thing I don't like about the 800+ is the needle doesn't retract as your using the pencil otherwise I love it
Both are very cool!
Your number writing with Rapid pro is much more accurate on the line. At 800, you've crossed the line more often. Do you have less control when writing with the 800? Apparently the rattling is obviously irritating. so I can't get along with the 800. Your videos are very good keep it up!
Hey thanks for your comment! That's a good observation, I didn't realize about that.
Maybe I had more control with the rapid pro, you're right. But I wouldn't trust the way I write so much, because it's behind the camera and it's confusing (laggy and detached).
But until today, I prefer the R800.
I definitely prefer the 800, I like double clutch mechanisms and fixed lead sleeve. I don't like sliding sleeves though or automatic pencils
Thanks for your comment! Your technical description is better than my whole video haha. The fixed lead sleeve is for sure a pro, otherwise this itself gets blocked.
what does Double clutch mechanism mean (opposing to single clutch I guess)?
@@fargoththemoonsugarmaniac I actually said the wrong name, sorry about that, don't know why I said double clutch, what I meant is Double knock
It's basically a pencil that you press once to expose the retractable tip, then press against to advance the lead, I like those pencils because the tip is retractable so it's safe to travel and won't damage the tip, but the lead sleeve itself is fixed, which I vastly prefer over pencils where the sleeve itself retracts, cause they often wobble. So double clutch pencils offer the best of both worlds, a fixed drafting sleeve, and it's also retractable
Some examples of these pencils are Rotring 800, Rotring rapid (as opposed to the Rapid pro that has a sliding sleeve), Graphgear 1000, Alvin draf Tec (it's actually a rebranded japanese pencil and there are many others like it with other names), Pentel Technica X, etc
Good video man
Both rotring and good models 👍
Both have retractable lead sleeve
800 older than rapid pro
800 design year 1993
Rapid pro design year 2010
800 more expensive rapid pro
800 mostly drawing pencil because have hexagon body
This is for drawing tables
Good video man 👍
I didn't know about those design years, thanks for sharing!
@@m.a.s.engineeringgadgets4867 bro my suggestion
I think ,you can make video 300 500 600 800
You have 600 and 800
İf you have 300 500
You can make video about 300 500 600 800 series.
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@@m.a.s.engineeringgadgets4867 design years
Rotring official website
Heritage part
I have the black Rapid Pro, gone through university and some of my work years with it. I tend to use plastic Tikky II with the wavy 80s-90s grip instead nowdays. I find the file-like grip bothering me even when I just hold it in my hand, not nearly as comfortable as the early Tikky designs especially for longer use. The grip on my Rapid Pro developed a rust spot at year 1 and seeing my skin flaking and getting stuck on the grip is like a nightmare to my engineering mind. I only find the rubber grip on the Tikky III more horrible because it turns into tar, not worth to keep for long.
My father has a double push Tikky he got in the 80s, metal build, silver and is featherlight because of aluminium body. I consider that as the peak of Rotring design and everything after that being a downhill.
Spot on! The best drawing pencils, are the Faber Castell TK 4600/TK 9400. Old is Gold!!! That being said, even though I also don't like metal grips, I have to admit that the best mechanical pencil for drawing is the Pentel Grapghgear 500 which unfortunately, has a metal knurled grip, that adds to the precision, but also limits the time you can hold this pencil comfortably. It is still ok with me, because I only use the 0.5mm and the 0.3mm for details only. The most used, is my TK4600, which is a pencil, with perfect precision and built quality, that also allows for endless drawing, without any fatigue!
PS I'm here watching this,, to convince myself, to get a Rapid Pro 2mm !
@@greekveteran2715 I'm owning a Rapid Pro 2mm in black for about 2 years now.. I also own a TK 9400 and while i totally understand your reasonings pro TK9400, my go to is the Rapid Pro all day.. I don't know, the heft and weight is more on my alley. To clarify the sharpness of the grip: It really is a hit or miss, i love it and can draw for a whole day without any issues. When i gave it to friends when they asked for a pencil to draw something while chilling, reactions varied from "damn, this grip feels amazing" to "meh, can i just have a normal pencil pls?", so yea, while i love it i'd still say try to get hands on somewhere before buying.
EDIT: Just doublechecked, no indication of rust building up or anything up til now on my Rapid Pro 2mm, but i only use this thing at home and very rarely take it outside (which i do, but not worth mentioning really).
@@almightyIrie I just ordered the Rapid Pro 2mm a couple of days ago! The Grapghgear 500 design, resembles a lot to the Rapid Pro. and Graphgear 500, TK 9400 are the pencils I use the most. That's one reason that I ordered the Rapid Pro, I'd like the grip to not heart on long sessions, but it' still provides good grip and precission.
My guess on the people who didn't like your Rapid Pro, is that they where probably used to common pencils. What we are used at, is a main factor of our decisions on many things, especially on the gear we use.Thanks for the response!
2 more days, and I'll have it in my hands!!! :)
800 is more stylish & both will last a lifetime :-)
I have a the 600 (black) which Rotring itself gave me :-)
God bless Rotring.
Exactly! Great quality stuff
I personally love the pro and have to disagree with your statement of the finer grip vs larger grip. The finer grip feels completely comfortable. At no point was I ever worried about getting cut or whatever you said. The larger grip didn't feel as comfortable because instead of a nice natural grip feeling, it felt like you were holding a metal comb that was designed to feel like a metal comb to keep a grip.
Of course the feeling in the hand is very subjective. The objective thing is, the Rapid Pro is sharper than the R800, and you can see this in the closeup. I didn't say you can cut yourself, but without exaggeration, you can file your nails with the grip. I don't have it anymore otherwise I'd do a video showing it. With the R800 this is not possible.
But as I said, grip feeling is subjective, and some like it harsh, others soft. I prefer the R800 as it looks and feels more premium in the hand to me.
Thanks for your comment and for watching!
Please, do you own the Rapid Pro 2mm clutch pencil? If yes, would you suggest it for drawing, or stick to the cheaper yet wonderful drawing pencils Faber Castell TK 4600/TK9400?
Please. which is the best lead holder, for drawing? Rapid Pro 2mm or the Faber Castell TK 4600/TK9400 ?
Personal preference. I happen to own both and use the Rapid Pro almost exclusively, feels much better when outlining etc imho. Then again, when it comes to shading and i'm not too lazy to change pencils, i prefer the TK9400 for this task. Usually i'm lazy and use the Rapid Pro for such things as well.
@@almightyIrie That's exactly how I also use mine! The Graphgear for outlining and the TK 9400 for shading! The Rapid Pro then is exactly as I imagined it! Thanks again, you made me happier and more anxious waiting for it!!
I have both the Rapid Pro 2mm and the TK 4600, the Pro is heavier and has a larger grip. For drafting I prefer the Pro while the 9400 is better for long sessions of sketching. Then again If I had to pick just one 2mm lead holder I would stick with the Staedtler 780 just for the lead indicator
@@Ratkens I use small white stickers, that I put on the top of my lead holders, with the lead hardness written on them, Then I got a series of TK 9400, that come with different lead written on the top (You just get one of each. Now, a trick that took my Rapid Pro from the most imprecise pencil, to the most precise! I harvested a lead from a Faber Castell 9000 wooden pencil, it's the only 2mm lead, that fits inside the Rapid Pro tight, so it has zero wobble. Also the lead quality, is WAY better, than the lead quality of the Rotring leads. You should try some of these tricks, the last one, will upgrade the performance of your pencil a lot!!
No noticeable wobble in the Rapid Pro 0.5mm? Man i was back and forth between the 600 and Rapid Pro 0.5 for a while now. Owning the 2mm of the latter and loving it, i naturally gravitate towards it, but was afraid the retractable tip may introduce too much wobble.. apparently that's a non issue, so i think i'm set now.. getting another Rapid Pro, just in 0.5mm this time. Thanks.
What's your expierence with it so far? The wiggle comes from the mechanism. The 800 is built differently than the 600 or rapid pro.
Good video ,thanks
But my think you compare graphgear 1000 and rotring 800
Hey! Thanks for your suggestion! I'll try to make a video if it interests people about it.
Thats a great idea ease do that
Alright, I'll make a video about it. I also got the Graph gear 1000 in consideration before, I'll test it and come up with a review! Stay tuned guys.
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@@m.a.s.engineeringgadgets4867 i have graphgear 1000 , soon i buy 800
Rotring 800 love
Rapid Pro has cushioned tip and sliding sleeve.
I like the rapid pro 2mm
What's the use for such a thick lead? Just an engineer asking. Maybe for drawing artistic stuff?
@@m.a.s.engineeringgadgets4867 Yeah I use it for drawing 😁👍 there are also 3.2 and 5.6 mm lead holders for different techniques
That's cool! I like how specific those measurements are haha to the 1/10th of the mm. Do you have some Instagram with your drawings? Feel free to share 😁
Do you recommend 800+ silver?
I didn't use the R800+, but I totally recommend the R800. Color is a personal preference, I like it silver because of the color itself, but also because the scratches are harder to notice. The black one loses its paint rather fast, and it looks worn out.
@@m.a.s.engineeringgadgets4867 I bought 800 silver normal version first, then seller called me and said they dont have stock for it and they will send 800+ without extra cost. Then I accepted but I don't know whats the difference with 800 and 800+. My package is still on the way but my friend told it looks weird with stylus and silver. But prob I'll use it.
I see! Yeah personally I don't know how much the rubber tip will last. If you want to hold this pencil for long, I'd get the one without the rubber tip.
@@m.a.s.engineeringgadgets4867 I'm not going to use stylus actually so I guess it won't be a problem to me so much. Thanks for answer.
No problem, good luck with it and enjoy it! I love my R800 and I hope you hVe a great experience with it too.
When I saw this plastic inside rapidpro Go to 800
Rapid pro breaks in half where the red thing is
Oh wow didn't expect that! But for sure the quality is less than the R800.
My rapid pro olso broke from that plastic.
Rapid pro bende var hayalim 800
600ün degisik renklerine gidebilirsin. Bence 600 ikisinden de daha iyi.
@@cansarioglu neden daha iyi ikisinden de
@@cansarioglu bence de abi 800 cidden içine kapanışı falan çok hopuma gidiyo da insanlar genelde bi şekilde bozuldu diyo 800 e alıp hemen öyle 1,2 ayda bozuacaksa ben de rotring 600 e dönücem herhalde
@@goodcontent7387 bence düzgün kullanırsan ve biraz da şanslı olursan ikisi de hiç bozulmaz. Ben 600'ün tasarımını, küçük ve ağır oluşunu seviyorum. 800'deki altın renkli kısımlar hoşuma gitmiyo onun dışında yine de en iyi kalemlerden biri
@@cansarioglu gümüş rotring 600 aldım 800 ün o ucundaki oynaması beni rahatsız etti hem 600 ün her yeri gümüş olunca ayrı bi hoşuma gitti iyi bakacağım yorumun için teşekkür ederim :))