Fender '65 Deluxe Reverb & '65 Princeton Reverb
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Reviewed in Guitarist issue 401
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I like your demos. You utilize nice chords and phrasing but mostly you let the notes ring out and don't try to put too many notes out there to try to impress people. I want to hear what the amp sounds like and you were very effective at that. Thanks
Demo guys have ego problems, this guys great
art gillespie great demo, showing both amps and adjustments!
I agree
Nice demo! As echoed by others, I appreciate the clean playing and letting the amps speak for themselves! Absolutely GORGEOUS tones.
Great review and thanks for NOT using pedals. 'Pure' Amp reviews that feature pedals always escape me when the whole point is how the amps sound natively.
Now THAT is how you should demo' gear. Nice clean sound, no effects peddles and NO showing how good a "thrash" guitarist you are! I have an old Princeton Chorus and I would never dream of selling it!
This has to be the best review I've ever seen for these amps. Simple, concise and to the point without any showing off. Thanks, I'm going straight out and buying the Princeton.
One of the BEST demos of these amps out there... Thanks!
Thanks for the comments everyone. Yes it was pretty loud in there and of course that never comes across on UA-cam. I made the track up at the session, obviously using a One Of These Nights feel but with totally different chords, melody, bass line etc. I did everything except drums, which Martin Holmes programmed. It was recorded in Steinberg Nuendo. I thought the guitars were appropriate to the track - yes, nice combination the Tele and 335.
A Tele and a 335, are always good choices, Neville.
The track was sweet, beautiful and bad ass! 👍👏👏👏
I have the 65 Blackface Princeton Reverb and my Tone-search ended ( right there ). I can get: SRV, Gilmour, Trower, Knopfler, Hendrix and Nile Rodgers tones. Phenomenal Amp for those Legendary glassy-pristine Fender Cleans. oNe LovE from NYC
Funny that Fender call the amps tremolo a "vibrato" and the vibrato bridge as "tremolo".
They also included a 'Standby' switch which has led to decades of guitarists (and even amp manufacturers!) not knowing what standby is for.
Only radio transmitter valves actually benefit from a standby switch. Oh, and badly designed DC coupled cathode followers. It is cheaper and more reliable to build a proper DC CF circuit, all it needs is a resistor and a diode, much cheaper than a high voltage switch.
Fender have a lot to answer for!!
Plus, over use of 'Standby' actually damages valves! Bloody Fender.
+TheAndyroid so there's no benefit to a stand-by switch, even when letting the tube warm up for a minute?
cbappa2 The valves used in guitar amps don't need to warm up before seeing high voltages. (One or two high wattage bass amps are an exception because they use transmitter valves to achieve stupidly high power). Using standby mode can be dangerous due to cathode poisoning and sometimes rectifier arcing due to high inrush current filling up the first filter capacitor. But standby can reduce the time DC cathode followers are run 'out of spec', the max grid to cathode voltage is often momentarily exceeded (in Marshall amps for example) at the moment of power on.
www.valvewizard.co.uk/standby.html
Should have just posted this link instead of typing all that, oh well!
For a "show" I want that amp on stage and ready to go. When we are announced and hit the stage I turn on the amp and go. For that, 'stand by' is valuable.
Outstanding demo. I totally dig that tune at the end. Sounds like it's right off The Long Run.
We've used no effects save for the effects we've used.
geetarbube
No effects bar those that were mentioned at the beginning. It's quite simple if you listen.
Love my deluxe reverb but sadly havent properly broken in yet due to family and neighbors.
for new amps they sound great. the differences that folks notice between the originals and the reissues it the originals are well broken in. the speakers are worn in and the componets have drifted over time but these offer up great potential at a fraction of the price for a vintage 64 or 65 version.
Goobie Caro I get what you mean, but the „fraction“ of the price is still a hefty price tag for the most of us.
That being said I’m in the process of trading my MIA Blues DeVille for a 68 Princeton.
After watching lots of UA-cam videos I’m a little bit concerned that the 65 Princeton or even a Deluxe Reverb would sound better for me..
But since there’s nobody willing to trade any of these amps for my Blues DeVille I think I should try to get happy with the 68 Princeton and maybe in the future someone is willing to trade a 65 Princeton or a Deluxe Reverb for my 68.
@@rolux4853 you'll be pleasantly surprised that the '68 with a different speaker will offer. The celestion in the '68 is great just pick up an eminence. I believe the vibrato channel is voiced like s '65 then you'd have a '65.
Goobie Caro thanks man I didn’t know that the vibrato channel is voiced after the 65.
I’ll guess I’ll look into an speaker swap then!
I still have an Eminence V 1030 laying around maybe I’ll try this out first, before buying another Eminence.
The original amps may have that nostalgic vintage vibe, but they are also completely problematic with old circuitry and components just waiting to leave you in a bad spot, because they’re temperamental and break down.
I opt for the new reissue over an old vintage amp.
The heart of my home studio is two vintage blackface Princetons (one a Reverb, the other an Amp) in stereo. I don't employ the in-cab speaker of the Reverb, but instead use two outboard 12" speakers wide left and right. I do use the in-cab speaker of the Amp, but it sits on a 2-12" vintage Fender cab (with Jensens) in between the right and left speakers of the Reverb. So "stereo" is in to out, not left to right. For two low-wattage amps, the sound is HUGE, wide and throbbing (I LOVE the trem of the Reverb). When setting up this rig (which literally took years, as I slowly re-habbed the amps and acquired speakers) I was VERY careful to phase everything correctly, which is dead critical for an array like this. End result - I have never heard a better in-studio sound. There may be its equal somewhere, but I can't imagine one could be better, for my tastes, at least. The cleans are to die for, and I get my dirt from pedals (a Allums-modded Boss SD-1and a Super Crunch box in series these days). The "stereo" (as opposed to mono x 2) is a product of the stereo out of a TC Nova Delay last on the board. In combination they are sweet enough to put one in a diabetic coma and if you desire, loud enough to make your ears bleed. All of which is to lend credence to me saying that as much as I generally enjoy your demos (I listen to the Les Paul Jr and related guitars video over and over) this one absolutely does not do justice to what the Princeton Reverb has to offer. This is not to criticize, but to sing the praises of the Princeton Reverb as a GREAT foundation for a rig that will yield any sound at all - from crystalline to Zep/Stones/AC/DC (nope - won't quite do metal) and from Nashville cleans to throbbing swamp boogie. Go for it - you won't be disappointed...
Tablature Butler that sounds awesome
Brilliant demo. That Princeton sounds unbelievable.
It is!
I have the Bordeaux deluxe and I swear it's the most astheticly pleasing amp ever made. The cannabis rex by eminence really wakes these amps up.
I have never really been a fan of Fender amps past the tweed era, but seeing a local band play with a Princeton Reverb opened my eyes to the possibilities of the blackface amps. However, I think what I would probably prefer is a Princeton Reverb with a 12" speaker, over the stock 10 or the Deluxe. It should be a simple matter to make up a new baffle cut for a 12 and fit it with a Celestion AlNiCo Blue.
Currently, I play a Rickenbacker 330 into a Mesa F-50 fitted with 12AU7s in the preamp, KT66HPs in the power section, and a Celestion Vintage 30 driver.
YES A 12 INCH SPAKER MAKES A BIG DIFFERNCE.I HAD A ORIGINAL ONE WITH A AINICO BLUE IN IT SOME HOW THE AMP DISAPPERED.
You can get a Princeton Tweed with a 12” Cannabis Rex speaker. It’s a Fender Special Run.
Could never imagine turning up my Princeton to 10 let alone the deluxe. Blimey
I have always found the sweet spot on either channel of the DR to be 4 on the treble and 5 on the bass. Clip the bright 75pf cap that is on the volume pot on the vibrato channel. And put a Celestion Vintage 30 8ohm replacement speaker in there. You can also get a nice tonal improvement by replacing the output tubes (valves) with new Tung-Sol output tubes and have them biased to 65% of there maximum output dissipation which is 14 watts. Obviously if you’re not used to this kind of work have a qualified technician do it for you. The combination of all these mods that I listed will make a huge difference in tone. All for the better. Also an Eminence Cannabis Rex is a great sounding speaker replacement that sounds great in the Deluxe Reverb for a bit less money. Especially in the DRRI.
this is the best amp i ever bought. I got the one with a Jensen g12-65 speaker. Not sure how much of a difference that makes compared to the stock speaker, but sound good to my ears.
It's so classic and simple. If you want to have driven signal - please play LOUD :D
You must own a large place ou tin the middle of nowhere....Deluxes are loud AF.
JJWalker I think he means the Princeton, it breaks up faster than deluxe I believe
Crikey that deluxe must have been loud at 10! Love the track at the end. I have the deluxe and really should have got the princeton for home use, still love it though :)
Great demo and great playing. The Deluxe Reverb is my fav combo. Twin Reverb is awesome for sure but too much for home playing. I had a Hot Rod Deluxe with a Celestion Vintage 30 and the treble mod that had great tone, but the clean on it can't compete with the '65 DR. OK, '59 Bassman is the cat's ass. Tone Monster!!
Best demo of (ANYTHING) on UA-cam EVER. Watching this made me want to play my guitar tonight. Thanks for such a professionally done demo of these two storied amps. I own a BFPR made in Apr 1966. A honey dripper for sure, and a blast to play. Whenever I play at home now I do it only through headphones (apt living / neighbors, etc). I miss cranking my amps. Again, thanks for this excellent demo, so well done! I'm off to "wanker heaven"... (under headphones).
How do you play a 66 PR through headphones?
@@CRUNCHCOLE , mea culpa. My failure at grammatically correct sentence structure is superseded only by your careful eye and cogent reading. My comment is over two years old, but thank you just the same for the reply. In rereading what I originally wrote, and then seeing your question, I can understand how you’d honestly wonder. Your’s is an honest question. So I have taken the liberty to edit and revise my original comment to clarify: when I play at all these days it is through headphones only. I don’t use my amps anymore. The 66 PR needs servicing besides.
Thanks again for the reply. I hope my clarification answers your question.
@@glennarnold I just didn't know if you used some kind of interface to use the headphones. Do you want to sell or trade the Princeton?
@@CRUNCHCOLE , I have in the past used an attenuator which also had a headphone out. It is not the same experience, though, driving an amp like this through headphones vs without. This amp, and those like it, were made to be played and seem to sound their best when opened up a bit. The response factor seems to be lacking when adapting any type of headphone appliance to them.
At this time I have no plans to resell my PR, but thanks just the same for inquiring! 👋🏼
Great little song there at the end, thank you Neville!
One of the most brilliant demos ever! One of These Nights!!!
Great review Neville I personally like a 12" speaker so I went with the Fender deluxe reverb 22watts and never regretted it, thanks for all the reviews you do so well.
They both have 12” speakers
It was difficult to concentrate on the comparison because the music was just so enjoyable. I think the Princeton wins though. Beautiful tones.
Deluxe wins in bar gig hands down. Try that Princeton next to a drummer, no bueno, the DRV is dimed, using guitar volume/tone pots for drive.
For gigging the DRV is only one that can barely do it. Still wish I'd lugged the Vibrolux to most gigs, cleans and nasty, 40w with 5AR4 rectifier.
Princeton is terrific for recording and if you're Mike Campbell and have a dedicated PA guy who's fired if you're not high in the mix, but dont as a regular joe guitar player ever count on soundman, bring enough watts yourself, then mic once you're guaranteed in the mix. Lessons from the road.
Love the 65' Deluxe Reverb Amp. Brilliant!
That 335... I want it.. I want it I want it!! :).. Lovely playing Neville.
Used the Deluxe to test out a guitar I eventually bought back in 2012. Still saving up to buy the amp in 2018. Le sigh....
lmfao I feel you man
Lol 😂 same dude
The last song, is AWESOME. Very nicely done.
Firstly, excellent demo/comparison of these 2 beautiful, iconic amps. Secondly, I absolutely must know how you achieved that "octaved" effect on the red 335 riff. What did you use? Mesmerising sound. Thanks!
Around 2 mins he explains it.
Both of us in the band use Fenders. One of us used a super reverb (actually selling to get a deluxe for ease of size.) Fenders sound best clean for sure. However, we both use Lots of pedals and cleaner the better when using pedals. Usually have the amp around 3-4 for gigs/practice
Why would you add "a bit of desk reverb and delay" when you are demonstrating an amp that has reverb? So helpful to not know if you are hearing the amp's verb or the added delay. GRRRR
why do these guys do this??? Especially when they add pedals too - why does no-one get it? We want to hear the raw amp, not some "pretty" mix right?
Because mixes generally require these to sound right. Much of the demo doesn’t have effects so I don’t see what the issue is. This review provides both raw and mixed elements.
@@ChrisJones-ht9zn Exactly! I guess they missed that. ha
I own a handwired clone of the PR with a 12" 100db/a AlNiCo speaker. It is a perfectly great amp. Not boxy at all and VERY loud when turned up.
Setting the bass to 2-3 when playing at volume settings above 5-6 helps ...
And it's still great for playing at home. Sounds round and full even at vol 1-2
In listening to the last song on the 335, the Guitar and DRRI amp would be perfect for covering “One of These Nights” by The Eagles.
Great job- been thinking of adding a princeton to the collection. When it got to the end where you were jamming the deluxe-I was super glad I bought one! Gret tones, and your style of demo is perfect.
I you come across the older one for sale, snap their hand off! Just sold my Marshall, kept the Fender.
Ive built quite a few amps and this circuit design is one of my favorites.
The last track was so Eagles. loved it.
Precisely what i was about to write...
said it before, you guys have some of the best demos on YT. great work and great playing. I'm curious how loud it was right beside the amps with them on 10? seems like it would be kinda unbearable? and could you notice a perceived volume difference between the two when they were cranked? i.e. 22 vs 15 watts?
+Scott Card had the same thought, i own a deluxe reverb and i can barely play it at more than volume 3-4. its a shame because of the distortion once it breaks at like 5
+Addictive4real You could change your preamp tube to a less high output one. It will give you more headroom and push the drive threshold to a farther limit. I use a 5751 tube for the first gain stage and it works fine for me: cristal clear output at high volume and a nice crunchy breakup following. \m/
thanks for the advice, would actually be a good idea cause i feel like I have pissed off my neighbors enough hahah! I shouldnt loose sound quality doing this thou, right?^^
On the contrary: clearer cleans and more articulate crunch \m/
+Scott Card The room you are in will have the most impact on how loud things seem, in my studio I frequently crank my princeton and it has a celestion gold (more efficient speaker). I find with most valve amps, at around 5-6 they peak on volume/headroom and after that the amp will just start overdriving and compressing rather than increasing in volume. As for the deluxe vs princeton, the bigger cabinet and 12inch speaker contribute more IMO to the higher headroom. Through an external cab or with a more efficient speaker the Princeton has plenty of volume on tap though.
I do love little amps...and this guy have a great taste for sounds and plays just awesome !!
You guys do the best demoes on you tube.
Finally a review that does not put a pedal in front of it for an amp review lol, we all know fender amps take pedals well and we all just want to hear the Amos natural breakup, so this is why this guy has the best review on these amps
Best amplifier demo I've seen in UA-cam. Ok, I'm a bit biased, I play Telecaster / Deluxe Reverb...
Tested both today, liked so much better the Princeton, more presence and definition
Happened to stumble across this. Great review and nice playing. I have the same exact Fender DRRI and I feel like this video has done it more justice than any other.
I play jazz in small venues and I was thinking about getting a Blues Junior for the longest time, but now that I see the Princeton and the built in trem, I think I might need to change my plans. I know you're doing a lot of strumming to show the natural break up for blues and rock, but can the Princeton also keep it clean for jazz?
Yes
Would love to see how a Princeton 12” sounds in this comparison but, really, how can you go wrong with either of these amps?
That Princeton does have a 12”
@@TheTrollMastah 0:40
I absolute love them both
Just a quick LIKE!!! from a fellow guitarist. Very tasty and informative. Use a 65 deluxe ri myself. Changed the speaker to a vintage Jensen and removed the bright cap from the clean channel - my main amp on many hundreds of produced tracks. All the best; Peter
Best comparion od the PR and DR on youtube
That deluxe reverb on the clean side when its cranked sounds really tight on my crappy speakers.
Outstanding demo and outro Neville!
Fabulous final Bluesy Jam Neville
Great playing!
came here for a demo of the amp to hear what it sounds like. never heard of this model before, much less heard one played through... anyway I went back to reading comments on another video about someone cloning this as diy, and left this playing... remarkably groovy demo at the end there... particularly like that run from 12:03.
Even at a gig you're never going to have a Deluxe Reverb on 10, that's insane. Good demo tho!
Great demo of my two favourite amps,
fuck they both sound so heavenly
very nicely done so what kind of harmonizer reusing there at the end? and I agree with some of the other comments all save my money and get an old one but they did very nice but a lot of it was the playing have these days in the lot of clubs at Princeton of the deluxe is about as load as you can get. I have a real nice hand wired Tweed Deluxe clone and it rarely gets to be turned up above three in small clubs I'm thinking about a Princeton
interesting demo of the two amps. I don't understand why you'd add post effects for the track at the end. Frustrating to me (just my opinion. You're playing is great)! otherwise, nice demo.
The DR, hands down for me. Thank you for this demo for it really showed the differences in the amp. The Princeton reminds me of my Vox AC15 (though I think I like the Vox better due to the its "jangle"). Well done!
Great demo, wonderful sounds
I have watched this before ( I re-watch a lot of your videos) but I missed when you said the 65 deluxe reverb is the big brother of the Princeton, is that in theory or... I have always wondered since I love the Princeton in all its configurations what if I wanted the same tone but more power/volume what is truly its big brother in that sense ? Thanks david
Important to note that this limited edition deluxe reverb has one major difference from the regular deluxe reverb(aside from look). It uses a 40w Jensen alnico speaker instead of the regular 100w Jensen ceramic speaker, so it has less headroom and less overall volume…and breaks up a bit earlier and more so than a regular model.
Good to know. I really loved my black 65 DR when I owned it and now thinking of getting back into one. It’s such a loud amp though so the change you pointed out in the wine red version could be helpful.
@@mikec3454 I just picked up a lightly used limited edition version just like this last week. I purchased it explicitly, for that reason, as this will be used for just for home use, so I didn’t need it to be ear ripping loud
Also the 2'nd channel is lower output for humbuckers/ higher output pickups.
@@mikec3454sweetwater sells it.
Well i have to admit this does not lead me to go down the Fender amp route. I once owned a Twin in the seventies and hated it, but being older and a bit wiser have often thought that it was probably me as loads of people rave about them. Since those days I have owned many amps, all valve and all different but I am still yet to be convinced by Fender amps.
Palfray Guitars what amps do you prefer?
Great video and love your playing!!!!!
that Gibson sure sounded great - 2 great amps
Love the color...
Can't think of when I've ever had a fender on 10 vol. and also had bass on 10. That being said, 1 of best tones I got was 4 princetons...2 brown face, 1 blackface white knob (killer of the bunch) and Black/silver w/reverb all daisychained---into brown high, out of brown low to high of next, and so on, ending in reverb. crank em all, (bass never past 5-7) more like 3-5, fed from old ts9...sustain allll over the neck, just work guitar knob. Ah, to have another friend that owns a vintage music shop, sigh.
Outstanding overview 👏👏👏
Keeping the bass so high (with a modern guitar and recording gear) results an undefined sound whill the speaker is compressing in an unmusical way.
I never understood why people are setting the bass over 4 ever... that way those amps would not cut through any mix since the speaker is too busy and tired. Sounds ok in the studio since you can edit the sound.
Excellent demo! Both sound great. Thanks.
I love this oganic overdrive so much
I agree one of the best demo and great playing too !!!
really nice... if only others could learn from your demos
Had to hear that final twice. So bluesy awesome :)
I want the Sonic Blue Princeton on Musicians Friend so bad!!!
dkstryker order it from American Musical Supply!!, you can pay for it in payments! Bro, split up into 12 months....
What kind of mic is that?
I've have a Princeton Reissue for one year or so. Always had the treble base and volume at 6 or near. Have not been too happy with the tone. Looking for a more bluesy sound. I don't like using pedals. This video shows the base and volume at 10 with the treble around 7 to 8. I like the sound. I will control the volume and play with the tone with my guitar. Playing tonight and plan to use these settings. Thanks.
I really enjoyed your playing but at around 10:30 your playing some great stuff on the 335 that I can't figure out. Are you playing with another guitar or are you doing all that cool stuff on the Gibson? Sorry I'm still learning. Thanks so much.
I like the Princeton, sounds a lot nicer in mid frequency. The Deluxe is great but a bit thin..to my ears ?
A very nice demo. Perhaps a DB/SPL meter would show just how loud the amp is.
Love that jam at the end !!
Amazing amps. a dream for E guitar players.
Nice demo but after watching your fingers it got me wondering if I flip the bird while I'm playing certain chords like you do. I checked. Nope, I do not flip the bird.
Clapton does it all the time.
I definitely do and was wondering if the audience ever picks it up. No complaints so far!
Very pleasant demo (aah... Tele + 335 !!). When you push the bass on the Princeton, it shows the limits of the 10" speaker... The Deluxe has a more "nasal" sound, but overall better mainly due to the larger headroom and speaker. Both are nice little amps, but I definitely prefer Dr. Z's Maz 18 in that range. Cheers \m/
That edition of the Princeton has a 12” speaker. I have one and a ‘68 custom running as stereo pair. Fantastic.
@@clivemcdaid8817 The Princeton 10" can accommodate a 12-inch speaker. Someone has to make a larger, plywood board for it and then install it. But the amp will work with a 12" speaker. Not sure that the factory-made 12" Princeton is still available.
musket 0402 The demo/review amp has a 12” speaker. I have the same amp. That’s my point. The comment I replied to suggested it had a 10” speaker. I was offering a correction.
Stopped by for the amps and stayed for the nice playing.
Get a Blues deluxe in tweed - half the price and an even nicer clean tone - more Fender-ish. Plus you have a sweet sweet drive sound when you want it - just add a chorus and trem pedal if needed
The President of The Internet i have a BDRI. Bought new in 2008. I was looking at one of these to add to the line up. I love the BDRI, just going off of a recommendation from a friend . But I like what I hear ! Would go for a DRRI, but may be too loud lol
With the microphone in front of the amps, you are getting the sound we hear from a PA? If not what is the mic for?
Great comparison video!! Both are nice sounding, I prefer the deluxe reverb with the 12 inch speaker
As far as I know they all have 12s, including this limited edition one. It’s a 12” Jensen P12Q alnico.
Very tasty playing especially with the 335. I couldn't quite place the Eagles tune, was it 'one of these nights'?
Wow, never had my DRRI over 5 without loudness complaints, I can’t imagine being at 10 and that close. I used to have a Pro Jr I could push to 10 but it was loud even not playing it. Good clean up on any ambient amp noise at those volume settings.
My Deluxe doesn’t get much louder after 5. Just more and more distorted. Super loud if at home.
Something about cranked fender amps. They just do it for me. Tone in funk #49 is one of the best. Tele in a fender vibroloux
Both are so great!! I like the tone of volume 10 absolutely but when I use a Fender amp something like Twin Reverb in a music studio, I can set the max volume is maybe around 4 and half. Otherwise my ears hurt and I can not stand it.
Absolutely great demo! Thank you!
Heard some nice tones out of both. Owned a deluxe sounded good up loud but too loud. Played through a Princeton at gc remember saying wow sounds great until I played some Buzzy low notes
Just got lost. But sweet clean sounding amp.
Wow! Good review, man. Sounds great and camera work is amazing! I do reviews, too, and I’m learning a thing or two from you! Thanks!
Nice one Nev ... great tones !!!
2:21 vs 6:56 for comparison