I think the docking issue is why a lot of larger boats have a bow thruster. No need to have somebody up front with a pole doing their best gondolier impression.
Tim, took her out last week 35 knots consistent gust up to 40 sailed like a dream. I'd take a Hans Christian any day. That Harden is also a very nice boat. Cheers
My current boat is a Bruce Roberts ‘Spray 42’ (she’s bigger than 42’) centre cockpit cutter ketch. The split sailplan is versatile, winches do the hard work, roomy plus, steel thus strong and easy to fix, and easy to single hand. The docking issue I approach as a slow exercise, with an escape route always in mind, fenders both sides, and preferably in a calm breeze time of day. The best part - she’s seakindly under way and calmly comfy at anchor.
Nice video For a lot of money you want a newish engine and sails and rig As you know . If it doesn’t come in very good condition it’s not worth 200,000. Those Hans Christian boats are great in heavy weather .
The Hans Christian is the winner for me but that Irwin would be great if you stay in a specific region and entertain a lot. All of these choices were well made thanks for showing "off the radar" so to speak brands. Hans Christians are of very high quality, very solid performance, all the extras, and classic beauty. And this one has the self steering and other extras you really want. Only drawback is the smaller (but safe) cockpit in my opinion.
I'd have to go with the Hans Cristianson but resign myself to pulling the teak decks/cabintop and covering with a light-colored Kiwi Deck so that the boat was cooler, and not have to endlessly work on the teak. A huge job - and probably why this particular boat is so cheap.
I with you would consider the swedish high quality boats like Najad, Malo and Hallberg Rassy. Blue sailors, strong comfortable beautifull made and Loyds certified for blue water cruising.
Probably my favorite episode. Finally outside the newer Catalina and Beneteau box. My family had an Irwin 31, bought it just to race against Catalina 30s. We crushed them. Construction wise I'd say they were pretty equal. But loving you talk about older boats like the Hans Christian!!
For me the Hans Christian is a no brainer for 80,000 if it surveys well , keeping up the woodwork can be dealt with to keep the work load down , the ketch rig makes sail handling a bit easier and gives lots of options , lead encapsulated keel um never heard of one falling off a H.C , the small cockpit is safe but could be an issue for many who prefer to entertain at the dock an pass out drunk every night , imho if an older couple wanted to sail the world an not sit at the dock this is a boat that will do it and will hold it's value if cared for .
We looked carefully at the Saga 43. We liked the boat even though the beam is narrow. However these boats were poorly made. They had serious structural problems. Corners were cut during the build. I talked with a owner who had done a circumnavigation with one and he had to pay 10,000$ to reinforce the mast step and hull grid after it began to fail. He was one of several people I ended up seeing with the same problem. Even Bob Perry has agreed the design was not followed to specs and build quality was lacking. Such a shame considering the boat ticks so many boxes. So if you do buy one plan to spend the money for reinforcement of mast step and keel.
I would suggest that maneuverability and displacement rather than pure length are better measures of single handed ease. When you're away from the dock it's about sail handling and good autopilot.
Just watching as first timer. Previous boats included a Hobie daysailer in Montana, 26 and 27 Catalina's in Arizona and California, and then 5 years with a 40 ft Jeanneau Sun Odyssey kept in a slip in San Diesgo and used to escape the Phoen ix heat mostly weekends. All behind me now, ay age 68 I am in the White Mountains of Arizona. One block from a boat ramp on Show Low Lake. I was offered a nice deal on an older Catalina Capri 14.2. Previous owner got knoced down too often in our gusty winds, usually 30 -40 mph. I heard you say you rigged your own furling for a jib with hanks. I have contacted Catalina without any help in obtaining either a new foresail or the proper way to add extrusions and modify the sail. I have Harken's recommended furler kit for smaller boats. I would like to be able to make the front sail useable when single handed. I liked you idea of using pvc ac the extrusion /rod around which the sail could roll up quickly. I think you said Keeping the hanks meant utilizing them to attach to the pvc ... wondering how you did this re fitting of the jib ? I would comment on sailing and boats by saying you are absolutely right when you say the bigger boat consideration when buying is a matter of in and out of the slip and docks with tight space and wind. My experience is the bigger vessel was better and easier on the water. With guages and furling genoa and in mast furling mainsail, twin wheels, navigatiional tools and autohelm, real joy ensued. Kerry
Hey mate. Randomly fell on your videos. Funny enuf, that boat with the longboard strapped to the port side in your intro clip is me sailing with friends in Georgetown. I guess I now know who was filming during the regatta 😂 Any chance I could get the footage of us sailing that day. Cheers. Great video Still won't buy a Hunter 😉
I can understand you focus on American boats, but the best boatbuilders are still in Europe I believe. France, Italy, Holland, Sweden , etc. Think about the Contests which are second to none as blue water sailboats. And a lot of these are for sale in North America and the Caribbean.
Trying to get this out to the sailing fraternity, who can't afford to buy one. Plukky from Sailing into Freedom is giving away his yacht to a good home, his building an electrified mumby to sail around the world, and doesn't need the old girl anymore.
Great choices- I NEVER look @ Hans Christian's? I LOVE S/V "Fair Isle" yet don't envy Steve & Judy 1 'lil bit about polishing brightwork & oiling teak 'til your hands are raw... I agree on the Hunter, remember in 2006 they began offering the 41DS alongside the 41AC- that's also a roomy Hunter with a very nice 2 cabin layout. Heck, there are even a few with Pullman forward staterooms. I still think a well owned & maintained Morgan can be a comfy way to make longer passages. I don't like the Out Islander deck style, but- I sure bet it's roomy on the inside! A well owned & properly surveyed M384 ('til 1985) and then the Morgan Catalina 381 by the later 1980's & into at least the mid 1990's. I so want to find a reasonably priced Beneteau Oceanis 37 or a Jeanneau so 379- less prep time, sailing sooner but gotta see lower prices! Arggghhhh
I have been on that Saga 43 in Oxnard. It was a very nice yacht below decks. Topside I was not happy with the construction of the solar arch. In my opinion it was very poorly constructed and I felt would not hold up to blue water sailing.
If I'm going big, I'm going full big. I'm going Macgregor 65. These boats and the Macgregor are similar in size given the macgregor is knife edge thin and all priced about the same. The macgregor had good build quality and the speed. Oooohh the speed. PHRF negative 54 vs your modern Hunter 45's +84. The rest of the boats, it isn't even in the same ball park. The Macgregor drawback is of course...getting charged to dock by the foot. If you are on a 65 foot boat....bring a giant dinghy.
Still looking forward to the day you comment on the Cheoy Lee Offshore 41. It's the major competitor in choice next year for moving the family aboard (the Hans Christian 43 is its major competitor)
Love your vids! You have made several videos about what to think about when buying a sailboat, which have been of great help for me and my partner who are looking to sizing up. But we would love a video about boat- and especially hull characteristics. We are looking to buy a boat to mainly sail in the Stockholm archipelago, but also to sail up north to northern Norway and maybe even Iceland. Full keels are great for the northern sea, but not for the narrow waterways in the archipelago - what is a good middle way? :)
I’m loving your videos. Such a pity that the US and Canada are way over the other side of a lot of water mate. Although sometimes it’s good too. All those boats are so cheap, but getting them back and I’ll bet the Aussie customs guys would put their hands out for a n import cut. Enjoyed it anyway
so true. marinas are an expensive pain to be avoided. when afloat on the ocean blue, bigger is better. ketch rigs are the way to go for mono hull, single or short hand. but a hot, cave for cabin, mono hull for the tropics? no thanks. get a cat for the tropics. centre, pilot house, mono hull to survive the northern seas? yes please. oh, and both should have adequate engine power, electronics, rigs, sails. all else is creature comfort.
Hi Tim, been a sub for a while now, love the vids, I do have a question, and please, I preface this by saying I've never sailed on a larger sailboat like this or a catamaran, so my question comes from pure no experience. To wit, I like the cats for the room, and what appears to be more stable platform while under sail as opposed to a monohull where so many videos or pics I've seen while they are under way, and all the occupants are standing at an angle while the boat is heeling or just sailing in general. Not so in a cat, also most pics of monohulls, any sailor up on the deck is usually in the sun too. Am I over thinking the uncomfortableness of a monohull to a cat? I've fished and dove offshore many times and rely on a scopolamine patch to keep Mal d'mer from ruining a good trip. But I did work offshore while in college years ago and after several days, my sea legs would kick in and no issues. Thanks, keep up the good work.
Friends had a SAGA 43 which they sailed from Vancouver to New Zealand and back. Going down was good but coming back it was mostly upwind sailing and by the time they got to Hawaii the keel was nearly falling off! It cost them a lot of time and about $25K US to get the bottom fixed. The hull had to be reinforced as the original just wasn't strong enough. Be careful of long bolt on fin keels for offshore.
Don't forget, bigger boat means generally bigger sails, which are harder (or impossible) to handle single-handed. There is more to boat length than, well, boat length!
That isn't necessarily true. Yeah the sails are bigger, but you'll have bigger winches, most likely self tailing, and most larger boats are going to have autopilot or at least a wheel lock. Plenty of time and mechanical advantage to get the sails up single handed. Some of the newer boats very likely have powered winches anyway.
I like the idea of a 45 footer I have spent all my life on a commercial fishing boat But I have a friend Captain To learn sailing Be nice to have an integrated keel Kraken makes some good points I might have to hit the sheets to South Pacific It's a threat in my mind to think of partially submerged containers Or demanding or snapping a keel off Loosing g a rudder Whats Special
I love that line, "It isn't fast for a boat, but she's pretty quick for a house."
Agreed!!!
I love that Hans Christian! Seems like a real boat not a plastic mall store display.
I think the docking issue is why a lot of larger boats have a bow thruster. No need to have somebody up front with a pole doing their best gondolier impression.
Love love love that Hans Christian, OMGOODNESS, so much Boat….
As always, thank you Tim this was an absolute delightful episode…
Capt. Andy
Hans for sure boat for life
Love your videos....New content idea. 38' to 45' pullman berth boats for those of us that want a bed to get off like at home a side entry /exit.
The Hans Christian is my favourite. I love everything and everything about it especially the butterfly hatches and it just looks so cool!
Butterfly hatches are amazing
Brilliant post! Some tough choices here but the Hans Christian jumps out
I like Serius yachts..
Love the Hans also
I'm in lovet with Hans Cristian " ships" !
Never thought of a quadrant as a piece of art.
Great review. The Hardin rocks!
Tim, took her out last week 35 knots consistent gust up to 40 sailed like a dream. I'd take a Hans Christian any day. That Harden is also a very nice boat.
Cheers
excelentes comentarios, pero sin dudarlo el Hans Christian sigue siendo el barco anhelado. Gracias por compartir tus conocimientos.
Gracias por ver!
My current boat is a Bruce Roberts ‘Spray 42’ (she’s bigger than 42’) centre cockpit cutter ketch. The split sailplan is versatile, winches do the hard work, roomy plus, steel thus strong and easy to fix, and easy to single hand. The docking issue I approach as a slow exercise, with an escape route always in mind, fenders both sides, and preferably in a calm breeze time of day. The best part - she’s seakindly under way and calmly comfy at anchor.
It would have been nice if you had actually talked about the “Green Pearl”, the boat pictured on the first screen of your video.
Nice video
For a lot of money you want a newish engine and sails and rig
As you know . If it doesn’t come in very good condition it’s not worth 200,000. Those Hans Christian boats are great in heavy weather .
That HC is a beauty. You asked so I say a Valiant 42.
The Hans Christian is the winner for me but that Irwin would be great if you stay in a specific region and entertain a lot. All of these choices were well made thanks for showing "off the radar" so to speak brands. Hans Christians are of very high quality, very solid performance, all the extras, and classic beauty. And this one has the self steering and other extras you really want. Only drawback is the smaller (but safe) cockpit in my opinion.
The Han's Chris is one of the bench marks along with Pacific Sea Crafter go anywhere bomb proof .
Angus
Have you done a “best for Cape Horn or Best for the NW Passage boat” yet? Some of us have goals that are a bit more adventurous.
I'd have to go with the Hans Cristianson but resign myself to pulling the teak decks/cabintop and covering with a light-colored Kiwi Deck so that the boat was cooler, and not have to endlessly work on the teak. A huge job - and probably why this particular boat is so cheap.
Robert Perry is my favorite boat designer. I would love any of his boats.
Except he didn’t design ANY of the Hans Christians!!
I with you would consider the swedish high quality boats like Najad, Malo and Hallberg Rassy. Blue sailors, strong comfortable beautifull made and Loyds certified for blue water cruising.
Only the second HC I've seen but I'm hooked on them
Probably my favorite episode. Finally outside the newer Catalina and Beneteau box. My family had an Irwin 31, bought it just to race against Catalina 30s. We crushed them. Construction wise I'd say they were pretty equal. But loving you talk about older boats like the Hans Christian!!
Thanks for covering the Hans Christian. She is my dream boat by far 43 is an amazing boat. My dream is the 48.
I like the Hans Christian, it even has a Caphorn self steering gear on it.
love your show...always excellent info
For me the Hans Christian is a no brainer for 80,000 if it surveys well , keeping up the woodwork can be dealt with to keep the work load down , the ketch rig makes sail handling a bit easier and gives lots of options , lead encapsulated keel um never heard of one falling off a H.C , the small cockpit is safe but could be an issue for many who prefer to entertain at the dock an pass out drunk every night , imho if an older couple wanted to sail the world an not sit at the dock this is a boat that will do it and will hold it's value if cared for .
Thanks for all your time in here! Albin Nimbus 42 1981? What you think about it?
It's always good to see you!
"Slow for a boat, but fast for a house" - lol!
Thanks Tim
We looked carefully at the Saga 43. We liked the boat even though the beam is narrow. However these boats were poorly made. They had serious structural problems. Corners were cut during the build. I talked with a owner who had done a circumnavigation with one and he had to pay 10,000$ to reinforce the mast step and hull grid after it began to fail. He was one of several people I ended up seeing with the same problem. Even Bob Perry has agreed the design was not followed to specs and build quality was lacking. Such a shame considering the boat ticks so many boxes. So if you do buy one plan to spend the money for reinforcement of mast step and keel.
Want to see the catamaran version of this video !
I would suggest that maneuverability and displacement rather than pure length are better measures of single handed ease. When you're away from the dock it's about sail handling and good autopilot.
Just watching as first timer. Previous boats included a Hobie daysailer in Montana, 26 and 27 Catalina's in Arizona and California, and then 5 years with a 40 ft Jeanneau Sun Odyssey kept in a slip in San Diesgo and used to escape the Phoen ix heat mostly weekends. All behind me now, ay age 68 I am in the White Mountains of Arizona. One block from a boat ramp on Show Low Lake. I was offered a nice deal on an older Catalina Capri 14.2. Previous owner got knoced down too often in our gusty winds, usually 30 -40 mph. I heard you say you rigged your own furling for a jib with hanks. I have contacted Catalina without any help in obtaining either a new foresail or the proper way to add extrusions and modify the sail. I have Harken's recommended furler kit for smaller boats. I would like to be able to make the front sail useable when single handed.
I liked you idea of using pvc ac the extrusion /rod around which the sail could roll up quickly. I think you said Keeping the hanks meant utilizing them to attach to the pvc ... wondering how you did this re fitting of the jib ?
I would comment on sailing and boats by saying you are absolutely right when you say the bigger boat consideration when buying is a matter of in and out of the slip and docks with tight space and wind. My experience is the bigger vessel was better and easier on the water. With guages and furling genoa and in mast furling mainsail, twin wheels, navigatiional tools and autohelm, real joy ensued. Kerry
Hey mate. Randomly fell on your videos.
Funny enuf, that boat with the longboard strapped to the port side in your intro clip is me sailing with friends in Georgetown. I guess I now know who was filming during the regatta 😂
Any chance I could get the footage of us sailing that day.
Cheers.
Great video
Still won't buy a Hunter 😉
From these I totally love the HC. Based on the comments you may want to dedicate an entire episode to them :)
Thanks for all the info.
Try and dock a Center cockpit by yourself it is a long way down to the dock to quickly tie a couple lines lol
Honestly no teak on the deck is best we all know that unless you really young
Thanks nice video ..
Moody 45 DS out shines them all!
Morgan 462 is truly a 45’ boat and absolutely awesome tank
You missed the Shannon 43!
Well Done!
I like a big boat. We had a 43' Landfall.
After all my searching, I’m focused on the CSY 44WT
Regarding Solo Sailing...Bow Thrusters...Good Idea?
I can understand you focus on American boats, but the best boatbuilders are still in Europe I believe. France, Italy, Holland, Sweden , etc. Think about the Contests which are second to none as blue water sailboats. And a lot of these are for sale in North America and the Caribbean.
another great video!
I really like the Morgan 44 CC boats.
I have what appears to be an old rare, but comfortable, and sleek Jeanneau. 1985 Trinidad 48
Thanks for all the info you share. Future sailor
I have a little known Liberty 458. Also made in Taiwan. I think it's about as good a cruising boat as you're going to get.
I'm a newport fan myself...
My choice would be the Garcia 45 exploration.
Trying to get this out to the sailing fraternity, who can't afford to buy one. Plukky from Sailing into Freedom is giving away his yacht to a good home, his building an electrified mumby to sail around the world, and doesn't need the old girl anymore.
Great choices- I NEVER look @ Hans Christian's? I LOVE S/V "Fair Isle" yet don't envy Steve & Judy 1 'lil bit about polishing brightwork & oiling teak 'til your hands are raw... I agree on the Hunter, remember in 2006 they began offering the 41DS alongside the 41AC- that's also a roomy Hunter with a very nice 2 cabin layout. Heck, there are even a few with Pullman forward staterooms. I still think a well owned & maintained Morgan can be a comfy way to make longer passages. I don't like the Out Islander deck style, but- I sure bet it's roomy on the inside! A well owned & properly surveyed M384 ('til 1985) and then the Morgan Catalina 381 by the later 1980's & into at least the mid 1990's. I so want to find a reasonably priced Beneteau Oceanis 37 or a Jeanneau so 379- less prep time, sailing sooner but gotta see lower prices! Arggghhhh
I have been on that Saga 43 in Oxnard. It was a very nice yacht below decks. Topside I was not happy with the construction of the solar arch. In my opinion it was very poorly constructed and I felt would not hold up to blue water sailing.
the HC is a sure great buy...im on the other side !!
If I'm going big, I'm going full big. I'm going Macgregor 65. These boats and the Macgregor are similar in size given the macgregor is knife edge thin and all priced about the same. The macgregor had good build quality and the speed. Oooohh the speed. PHRF negative 54 vs your modern Hunter 45's +84. The rest of the boats, it isn't even in the same ball park. The Macgregor drawback is of course...getting charged to dock by the foot. If you are on a 65 foot boat....bring a giant dinghy.
I am guessing you could not find a Shannon 43 for sail when you made the video.
Love the quip :)
I got a 48ft model: Dawn. Only 18 ever built. Wish u could make a video on it. There is not support group for this vessel 😕
What do you think of the 1980 Pearsons 424 42ft?
What do you think of the Formosa Ketch 42?
Still looking forward to the day you comment on the Cheoy Lee Offshore 41. It's the major competitor in choice next year for moving the family aboard (the Hans Christian 43 is its major competitor)
Love your vids! You have made several videos about what to think about when buying a sailboat, which have been of great help for me and my partner who are looking to sizing up. But we would love a video about boat- and especially hull characteristics. We are looking to buy a boat to mainly sail in the Stockholm archipelago, but also to sail up north to northern Norway and maybe even Iceland. Full keels are great for the northern sea, but not for the narrow waterways in the archipelago - what is a good middle way? :)
I’m loving your videos. Such a pity that the US and Canada are way over the other side of a lot of water mate. Although sometimes it’s good too.
All those boats are so cheap, but getting them back and I’ll bet the Aussie customs guys would put their hands out for a n import cut.
Enjoyed it anyway
so true. marinas are an expensive pain to be avoided. when afloat on the ocean blue, bigger is better. ketch rigs are the way to go for mono hull, single or short hand. but a hot, cave for cabin, mono hull for the tropics? no thanks. get a cat for the tropics. centre, pilot house, mono hull to survive the northern seas? yes please. oh, and both should have adequate engine power, electronics, rigs, sails. all else is creature comfort.
Check out the outbound 46 in my opinion it’s the perfect boat
I wish you would do a review of the Halberg Rosen 42e and f. What are the differences and which is best for a circumnavigation plan.
Could you do a breakdown of a hunter Voyager 44?
Nordic 44 Robert Perry design.
Hello again!
"Saga" Oh ya baby! Even if it is music. Hey!
Awesome episode, as always. Thanks, TIm.
I was wondering what you think of the Bristol 41.1 to 51.1? And do you know if anyone had a sugar scoop added on? can it be done? at what cost?
Hi Tim, been a sub for a while now, love the vids, I do have a question, and please, I preface this by saying I've never sailed on a larger sailboat like this or a catamaran, so my question comes from pure no experience. To wit, I like the cats for the room, and what appears to be more stable platform while under sail as opposed to a monohull where so many videos or pics I've seen while they are under way, and all the occupants are standing at an angle while the boat is heeling or just sailing in general. Not so in a cat, also most pics of monohulls, any sailor up on the deck is usually in the sun too. Am I over thinking the uncomfortableness of a monohull to a cat? I've fished and dove offshore many times and rely on a scopolamine patch to keep Mal d'mer from ruining a good trip. But I did work offshore while in college years ago and after several days, my sea legs would kick in and no issues. Thanks, keep up the good work.
What do you think of the 445 beneteau
Friends had a SAGA 43 which they sailed from Vancouver to New Zealand and back. Going down was good but coming back it was mostly upwind sailing and by the time they got to Hawaii the keel was nearly falling off! It cost them a lot of time and about $25K US to get the bottom fixed. The hull had to be reinforced as the original just wasn't strong enough. Be careful of long bolt on fin keels for offshore.
Don't forget, bigger boat means generally bigger sails, which are harder (or impossible) to handle single-handed. There is more to boat length than, well, boat length!
That isn't necessarily true. Yeah the sails are bigger, but you'll have bigger winches, most likely self tailing, and most larger boats are going to have autopilot or at least a wheel lock.
Plenty of time and mechanical advantage to get the sails up single handed. Some of the newer boats very likely have powered winches anyway.
The best choice is number #4, Even so you must have some Money Saved in the bank
I'm looking at the Oceanis now
Forn near land
It's all New to me
See several fir sale
Down wind Sailors
👂
I like the idea of a 45 footer
I have spent all my life on a commercial fishing boat
But I have a friend Captain
To learn sailing
Be nice to have an integrated keel
Kraken makes some good points
I might have to hit the sheets to
South Pacific
It's a threat in my mind to think of partially submerged containers
Or demanding or snapping a keel off
Loosing g a rudder
Whats Special
What boats would you recommend for the Northwest - BC?
What about a pilothouse ketch say 50-60 feet? 😊
Cheers to you.
Tha Thank you...
Are bow thrusters make or break for handling?
My choice would be an Alden 44' Cutter...
I am wondering, can sail boats be made to be self-righting.
16:46 Your thoughts on the 1990 Amel Santorin 46?
Catamarans.... :) Any Advice?
I know what kind od boat i want but i do not have the money to go along with it.
Spindrift 43.
Beneteau 45,,,, that's what I want
So what would a Island Packet 439 but with a more performance keel be ?