People are STILL missing Kenny’s point in the first argument, committing resources to developing 2 game plans is a lot weaker than all resources on one if Kawhi was confirmed to play. It definitely makes a difference regardless of how minuscule
@@shellbore3Isnt the “this a team you’ve seen before” argument more in favor of game planing for a Kawhi-less team? Youve already game planned for a Kawhi clips team at least once for twice that season so why not spend some time game planning for the team without him so you have an idea of what your game looks like either way?
Game planning in season is never the same plus you don’t hone in on everything. Also with Kawhi out, it means they will run different sets, the types of off ball movement, the number iso, who steps in and does impact our match ups. Probably a bunch of other stuff. I definitely see where Kenny is coming from. But I think P is right, teasing the fans knowing Kawhis health history and how badly it has effected the clips ain’t worth it
Brook lopez is 7'1 280 and 36 years old when he is contesting the most shots in the league to expect him at this point of his career with his slow foot speed to grab ore rebounds than he has been?
That first argument always bugged me because they don’t seem to comprehend how elite even the worst coaching teams in the NBA are, the mavericks definitely already game-planned for a situation where Kawhi is injured but also planned for a situation where he is healthy (like Mike said tbf) it’s not like they’re low on resources/manpower and have to choose between one of the two, so really no need for mind games from Ty Lue. I swear Pierre was trying his best to lose that argument despite being on the winning side lol
i don’t get how people don’t see that kenny is totally correct. any nba team can make 2 game plans because they have so many resources but that’s not the point. there is an objective difference in putting all resources into one game plan vs splitting them into 2. It might not even be a huge difference, but for the price of just saying “i don’t know if kawhi is going to play”, ty lue can only benefit.
D Mills argument about Brook Lopez would expose Jaren Jackson a lot more as a young athletic player who can't rebound. He even said "every other great defender gets rebounds" to slight Brook. JJ Jr. gets 5 rebounds with a 7'5'' wingspan
Kenny in the brook debate is right for the system and the way the bucks run make sense for brook not to get a lot of rebounds it wouldn't make sense for him to get more than giannis since giannis provides such good fast break potential. Especially since brook is a more sit in the corner and shoot more threes kind of guy and he is reaching an older age so of course he won't be able to rebound as well as he used to even if he wasn't a particularly good rebounder. However if it was another 7ft center was on another team with a different system then they should average more rebounds but the way the bucks were built they don't need brook to get more rebounds especially since he plays more like a perimeter center.
Bro again mills was not talkin bout brooks ability to rebound impacting the team, hes just saying a 7 footer optically should have more than 3.8 rebounds. EXCLUDE THE TEAM
@@tyblandonWith that logic Chris Bosh was washed from 2010-2016 😂 (without the context of him taking a lesser role and joining a super team plus injuries since he didn’t average how much he did in Toronto)
The Westbrook comparison for brook Lopez was actually amazing. Regardless or not at the end of the day stats don’t make u a good player, doing ur job that’s asked of u does. 1 rebound or 15 do ur job.
Kenny usually wants to argue productively, when there’s a real disagreement. Pierre wants to argue disingenuously to make himself seem right. This Brook Lopez argument is that shit personified. How many teams have 2 guys with 10+ RPG? And who between Giannis and Brook is going to get that?
Not only that but he completely crapped on Dmills that whole time talking about Nurkic in the context of the suns just to switch up quietly when it fit what he was saying. He’s so insufferable the podcast would be 500x better if it didn’t have him on it
i love that the first two clips are just “three guys have shallow understanding of basketball and one guy tries to explain it to them.” “Brook tall why he not get board 😡” because there isnt an infinant amount of rebounds, and he has a teammate that averages 14.
Dmills right about brook in a vacuum, looking at stats he should get more rebounds. kenny is right though because if you watch games and not box scores, brook boxes out centers from getting O boards. pretty sure brook has said as long as their team gets the rebound it doesn’t matter, and the bucks have giannis to do that since he’s always helpside anyway. either way these arguements are gold 😭😭
KB tweaking in the first one. Wth u mean “chess move” everyone knew in that moment that when Ty Lue didn’t say “hell yeah he’s playing” that meant Kawhi wasn’t playing. And he’s acting like the mavs would’ve had to come up with a whole new game plan if Kawhi was out. It’s not like we’ve NEVER seen Kawhi Leonard out before, I’m sure coaches have game plans for that already
KB doesnt have takes as he has said in the past idk why he is so scared to just predict, everyone who predicts is wrong or right idk why it matters so much, anyway his analysis ages like milk just because he goes off of the present moment too much, and ik he will probably defend himself saying he said nothing wrong in this video but just in general to analyze basketball you gotta have some type of hunch into what you believe in and what you dont going forward in the future
Does dmills not understand that theirs only a certain amount of rebounds possible in a game?😭 If your teamate averaged 13-14 it’s not possible for you to get 10+ as well😭
harden is a POING GUARD and is averaging 7.6 rebounds a game as a 35 year old plus he is 6'5. They both play similar minutes this year too and the clippers have a center in Zu averaging 12.5 rebounds a game and is leading the league. Brook is a CENTER too. What is the excuse to not have at least 8 a game
@@cevin5915no he isn't. Brook averages like 4 rebounds a game without Giannis. So it's not like giannis is taking potential rebounds from him and even then it's a moot point because guys like KAT, Mobley, and even Siakam were averaging at least 7 a game while playing with good rebounders and all of them are 4s not 5s. A centre should not be so ass at rebounding. Tyler Herro had more rebounds a game than him. Also Brook's been really bad this season so far. Kenny glazers need to stop acting like he's always right because he's the most famous one.
Absolutely no current team has the defensive scheme of "ok let's only let one guy go for the rebound and everyone else stay out of the way". And every other centre on a contending team is perfectly capable of both contesting a shot and getting in position to attempt a rebound, it's literally a essential skill of paint defense, your job isn't done just cause you got the contest. Literally watch the bucks play and you can see that Brook is just bad and slow at getting into position for a rebound and husting to get the rebound. What Kenny, and by extension you, should be saying is that it's okay that Brook is a terrible rebounder because Giannis is way too good at them so he compensates for it. However thats not a scheme the Bucks have because again no team schemes to have their starting centre do absolutely nothing in terms of rebounds. And the point Mills is making isn't whether it's going to be very costly or not to the Bucks' hopes. His point is that it is ridiculous that a 7 footer with this much experience in the league is still so garbage at rebounding. So again Kenny was not right, he just yapped a lot in his debate voice to make it sound like he had a point.
I do not believe at all the mavs lost cuz they had a plan for kawhi and not for without him I think he just said that cuz they got they ass whooped if they won he ain’t acknowledging in a trillion years
I dont get how ya dont understand this. Kb was the only one talkin bout brooks rebounding ability impacting the team, mills and p was talking bout an overall 7 footer should have more boards. Ya just suckin kb 😂
DMills cooked Kenny in the Brook Lopez debate. To be 7’1 and average 4 or 5 rebounds a game is insane and there’s no excuse. KAT next to Rudy averaged 8 both years. Mobley next to Allen has not averaged under 8 rebounds a game. Steven Adams, the guy Kenny used in the argument to back his point averaged just under 8 in Westbrook’s MVP year and back to back 9 boards a game for Westbrook’s last 2 thunder years. If you go back to the Warriors with Bogut, Dray was still averaging 7+ boards while contesting 3s and in the paint.
I just think it’s as simple as. 40 year old brook Lopez can’t give you 8 boards. His play style ,athleticism and placement on the court just doesn’t add up to 3 more boards. Especially playing with Giannis and portis.
@ He’s been a terrible rebounding since he was 28, age isn’t an excuse and he was still a Net at that time. The guy out boarding him that wasn’t a top 3 rebounder like Giannis? Trevor Booker who wasn’t even a starter. Kenny can say it’s not hurting the team but there’s no proof it’s helping either
i don’t think it’s honestly that bad though. brook was a good rebounder back in new jersey so i think it’s more of a team scheme thing rather than him not wanting to get them.
The problem with the whole debate was that they were arguing two different points. Kenny’s point was that Brook Lopez not rebounding doesn’t impact the bucks’ success because they have Giannis. P & DMills argument was that as a 7 footer, Brook SHOULD be rebounding more. Both arguments are valid tho.
Ngl it’s corny asf how Kenny be so animated to argue with Mike and dmills but the second Pierre wants to argue with him he just backs down and agrees. Pathetic.
@@LuckyGuy1111 ngl that’s not true bro. P is corny asl a lot of the time and he does mostly target Mike and Dmills but he goes at Kenny too reason it seems like he never does is because Kenny just backs down and respectfully disagrees within 30 seconds of the debate 99% of the time
@@mosescuh3644 I have tho and it’s obvious. Lmao go watch a random episode from now to 2 years ago and you’ll see that 99% of the time Kenny would just change his whole tone whenever P jumps in to argue against his point. He’d go from being aggressive against mine and dmills then when P inserts himself Kenny jist puts his head down and respectfully disagrees or pretends to agree
For y’all who disagree lol just look at the Brook Lopez debate any you’ll see exactly my point (that’s just one of the 50 debates I’ve seen him do that)
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I can tell Mike never raised his hand in class
And you know D Mills raised his hand with the wrong answer lmao
He talks too slow
@@michaelsmith4495😭😭😭😭 was wrong every time but kept letting them fly lmaooo
@@michaelsmith4495saying the wrong answer with confidence too
@@TM__11 facts lmaoo
They gonna put this vid on the TV for Friendsgiving
People are STILL missing Kenny’s point in the first argument, committing resources to developing 2 game plans is a lot weaker than all resources on one if Kawhi was confirmed to play. It definitely makes a difference regardless of how minuscule
But this a team you’ve seen through the year you’ve probably polishing more and focusing on how you’re using your offense more than the defensive tbh
@@shellbore3Isnt the “this a team you’ve seen before” argument more in favor of game planing for a Kawhi-less team? Youve already game planned for a Kawhi clips team at least once for twice that season so why not spend some time game planning for the team without him so you have an idea of what your game looks like either way?
Game planning in season is never the same plus you don’t hone in on everything. Also with Kawhi out, it means they will run different sets, the types of off ball movement, the number iso, who steps in and does impact our match ups. Probably a bunch of other stuff. I definitely see where Kenny is coming from. But I think P is right, teasing the fans knowing Kawhis health history and how badly it has effected the clips ain’t worth it
I agree with Kenny on the brook Lopez argument. he should get more rebounds, but that's not his role necessarily.
Brook lopez is 7'1 280 and 36 years old when he is contesting the most shots in the league to expect him at this point of his career with his slow foot speed to grab ore rebounds than he has been?
P shushing Mike kills me every time 😂 He knew damn well it was a legendary argument coming!
he really setting the floor😭
literally perfect timing from clips i’m about to hit the treadmill in the gym. preciate you 🙏🏿
That Halliburton take from P is aging well so far. Last season might’ve been the best version we’ll ever see of him
It won’t be . Some people will struggle and come back .
Also KB saying Randle won’t be with the Knicks and that he could get traded in the offseason lol
@@avarose7029and some people never “come back” because that wasn’t who they really were.
We’re like 15 games into the season and the dudes not even 25. Y’all gotta chill
@@DirtyDevbut Hali is a star player, and this 5 game stretch just showed the All-NBA talent we know. He did come back lol
That first argument always bugged me because they don’t seem to comprehend how elite even the worst coaching teams in the NBA are, the mavericks definitely already game-planned for a situation where Kawhi is injured but also planned for a situation where he is healthy (like Mike said tbf) it’s not like they’re low on resources/manpower and have to choose between one of the two, so really no need for mind games from Ty Lue.
I swear Pierre was trying his best to lose that argument despite being on the winning side lol
It's not about choosing it's about telling the players 2 gameplans vs 1,
@@JJsNotHomeManif an NBA player cant follow 2 gameplans then they shouldnt be in the NBA
@thehighlightmonster1057 you should watch the nba brother theres so many times where they can't follow one gameplan
@@thehighlightmonster1057 Nba players dont even watch the nba lmao
i don’t get how people don’t see that kenny is totally correct. any nba team can make 2 game plans because they have so many resources but that’s not the point. there is an objective difference in putting all resources into one game plan vs splitting them into 2. It might not even be a huge difference, but for the price of just saying “i don’t know if kawhi is going to play”, ty lue can only benefit.
Whenever Pierre and DMills go at it, it sounds like P is right but DMills is actually winning.
pierre’s just louder and more confident in his takes
p gas lights. i've heard family member sound just like him.
P was right on the nurkic take tho
Being loud don't mean nothing
D Mills argument about Brook Lopez would expose Jaren Jackson a lot more as a young athletic player who can't rebound. He even said "every other great defender gets rebounds" to slight Brook. JJ Jr. gets 5 rebounds with a 7'5'' wingspan
W timing. I’m doing Uber eats and always need some NOTB content to help me
P lowkey a Twitter troll disguised as a podcaster 💀
Kenny in the brook debate is right for the system and the way the bucks run make sense for brook not to get a lot of rebounds it wouldn't make sense for him to get more than giannis since giannis provides such good fast break potential. Especially since brook is a more sit in the corner and shoot more threes kind of guy and he is reaching an older age so of course he won't be able to rebound as well as he used to even if he wasn't a particularly good rebounder. However if it was another 7ft center was on another team with a different system then they should average more rebounds but the way the bucks were built they don't need brook to get more rebounds especially since he plays more like a perimeter center.
Bro again mills was not talkin bout brooks ability to rebound impacting the team, hes just saying a 7 footer optically should have more than 3.8 rebounds. EXCLUDE THE TEAM
Nobody said he should have more than Greek. In 32 min you get 3.8 rebounds frm a 7 ft center is crazy.
@@tyblandonhe would NOT be averaging 4 a year if he wasn’t on the team with Giannis, the team part is very important in this argument
@@tyblandonWith that logic Chris Bosh was washed from 2010-2016 😂 (without the context of him taking a lesser role and joining a super team plus injuries since he didn’t average how much he did in Toronto)
@@tyblandonbasketball does not exist in a vacuum
The Westbrook comparison for brook Lopez was actually amazing. Regardless or not at the end of the day stats don’t make u a good player, doing ur job that’s asked of u does. 1 rebound or 15 do ur job.
Thank god man, I just be bored until I see that Noti , bless you Clips
Thank you Clips. Preciate you
Kenny usually wants to argue productively, when there’s a real disagreement. Pierre wants to argue disingenuously to make himself seem right. This Brook Lopez argument is that shit personified.
How many teams have 2 guys with 10+ RPG? And who between Giannis and Brook is going to get that?
Life is better when clips posts
Derrick gotta be the new center president he talking crazy defending how centers gotta rebound😂😂Shaq call this man
Nobody was understanding Kenny in the first clip lol
need some dmills montages soon
22:30 Oh so NOW it matters in the context of the team P? I thought brook not getting rebounds has nothing to do with the team?
Not only that but he completely crapped on Dmills that whole time talking about Nurkic in the context of the suns just to switch up quietly when it fit what he was saying. He’s so insufferable the podcast would be 500x better if it didn’t have him on it
Greatest podcast of all time
CLIPS ON THE BOARDDDD! Cmon
The debate videos usually some the best 💪💪 boutta be 🔥
i love that the first two clips are just “three guys have shallow understanding of basketball and one guy tries to explain it to them.” “Brook tall why he not get board 😡” because there isnt an infinant amount of rebounds, and he has a teammate that averages 14.
bro, i had to click insta this vid finna be legendary 🤣
10:38 P🤣🤣
I hate how this sounds like glazing but has Kenny ever lost an argument (excluding the jrue is a bucket debate)
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Pop not having TimmyD in for that Ray Allen 3 is definitely over thinking
P can’t be this weird in real life
He’s always said that he just amplifies his self on the pod. It’s for entertainment
And i could see it , I’ve seen mikes streams of them playing 2k and he’s always chill and lowkey there
He not weird man
Dmills right about brook in a vacuum, looking at stats he should get more rebounds. kenny is right though because if you watch games and not box scores, brook boxes out centers from getting O boards. pretty sure brook has said as long as their team gets the rebound it doesn’t matter, and the bucks have giannis to do that since he’s always helpside anyway. either way these arguements are gold 😭😭
P get so angry man 🤣🤣
Pierre is annoying as hell sometimes
Fr. You can tell he can’t hear his own voice enough to satisfy himself
S/o you clips you the goat
Watching D-Mills talk about nurkic now more than ever shows how bad his ball knowledge is 😂
Bro kennh looks so different and weird with his hair in this vid
should’ve put the baseball story on here💔
Dmills fs took the over on brook lopezes rebounds one too many times
KB tweaking in the first one. Wth u mean “chess move” everyone knew in that moment that when Ty Lue didn’t say “hell yeah he’s playing” that meant Kawhi wasn’t playing. And he’s acting like the mavs would’ve had to come up with a whole new game plan if Kawhi was out. It’s not like we’ve NEVER seen Kawhi Leonard out before, I’m sure coaches have game plans for that already
The brook Lopez thing is funny. If you don't agree with Kenny on that you're not thinking
I love Kenny but man the way yall say P act, is how he be acting on a lot of these debates lol
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Many people says P can never admit he wrong , and thats Kenny too🤣🤣💯
@@Yionbotthey’re family after all😭 so that make sense
@@Yionbotkenny was not wrong and the goalposts were constantly moved
cuz Kenny actually has the most ball knowledge, but I agree sometimes he digs his foot in for the wrong argument
NOTBBBB YESSS
KB doesnt have takes as he has said in the past idk why he is so scared to just predict, everyone who predicts is wrong or right idk why it matters so much, anyway his analysis ages like milk just because he goes off of the present moment too much, and ik he will probably defend himself saying he said nothing wrong in this video but just in general to analyze basketball you gotta have some type of hunch into what you believe in and what you dont going forward in the future
pierre does way too much sometimes
This is probably the worst podcast ever. Only Kenny has a logical argument everytime. Everyone else just be debating off vibes.
Man that first clip still just makes me mad lol I don’t get what P was arguing
I’m not rewatching that kawhi argument. Still amazes me how they weren’t understanding Kenny
Never liked how p said “Mr I wanna be a coach” mad petty for what
u soft. they cousins that’s how they talk
Does dmills not understand that theirs only a certain amount of rebounds possible in a game?😭 If your teamate averaged 13-14 it’s not possible for you to get 10+ as well😭
He never said he had to get 10+ all he said was he should average more than 3 as a 7 footer (excluding the fact that he plays with Giannis)
harden is a POING GUARD and is averaging 7.6 rebounds a game as a 35 year old plus he is 6'5. They both play similar minutes this year too and the clippers have a center in Zu averaging 12.5 rebounds a game and is leading the league. Brook is a CENTER too. What is the excuse to not have at least 8 a game
the thing is hes 7'2 averaging 4
@@gxl3606 But he does play with Giannis 🤨
@@gxl3606bro won a nba championship doing the exact role and things he’s doing now yet u think u know what he’s doing right and wrong😂 bruh
Kenny pissed me off in the Brook debate so much
he was right tho 😭
He’s literally right
@@cevin5915no he isn't. Brook averages like 4 rebounds a game without Giannis. So it's not like giannis is taking potential rebounds from him and even then it's a moot point because guys like KAT, Mobley, and even Siakam were averaging at least 7 a game while playing with good rebounders and all of them are 4s not 5s. A centre should not be so ass at rebounding. Tyler Herro had more rebounds a game than him. Also Brook's been really bad this season so far. Kenny glazers need to stop acting like he's always right because he's the most famous one.
@@fruitlover8718 That's not the Buck's defensive scheme though. That's literally the point he's making, has nothing to do with glazing 💀
Absolutely no current team has the defensive scheme of "ok let's only let one guy go for the rebound and everyone else stay out of the way". And every other centre on a contending team is perfectly capable of both contesting a shot and getting in position to attempt a rebound, it's literally a essential skill of paint defense, your job isn't done just cause you got the contest. Literally watch the bucks play and you can see that Brook is just bad and slow at getting into position for a rebound and husting to get the rebound.
What Kenny, and by extension you, should be saying is that it's okay that Brook is a terrible rebounder because Giannis is way too good at them so he compensates for it. However thats not a scheme the Bucks have because again no team schemes to have their starting centre do absolutely nothing in terms of rebounds. And the point Mills is making isn't whether it's going to be very costly or not to the Bucks' hopes. His point is that it is ridiculous that a 7 footer with this much experience in the league is still so garbage at rebounding. So again Kenny was not right, he just yapped a lot in his debate voice to make it sound like he had a point.
Mike always switch to whoever bouta get on his as
I do not believe at all the mavs lost cuz they had a plan for kawhi and not for without him I think he just said that cuz they got they ass whooped if they won he ain’t acknowledging in a trillion years
They didn’t lose though lol, this debate was last year when kawhi was out and the Mavs won
No glaze at all but Kenny was cooking everybody
Nah his Brook Lopez rebounding take was a miss to me
I dont get how ya dont understand this. Kb was the only one talkin bout brooks rebounding ability impacting the team, mills and p was talking bout an overall 7 footer should have more boards. Ya just suckin kb 😂
DMills cooked Kenny in the Brook Lopez debate. To be 7’1 and average 4 or 5 rebounds a game is insane and there’s no excuse. KAT next to Rudy averaged 8 both years. Mobley next to Allen has not averaged under 8 rebounds a game. Steven Adams, the guy Kenny used in the argument to back his point averaged just under 8 in Westbrook’s MVP year and back to back 9 boards a game for Westbrook’s last 2 thunder years. If you go back to the Warriors with Bogut, Dray was still averaging 7+ boards while contesting 3s and in the paint.
I just think it’s as simple as. 40 year old brook Lopez can’t give you 8 boards. His play style ,athleticism and placement on the court just doesn’t add up to 3 more boards. Especially playing with Giannis and portis.
@ He’s been a terrible rebounding since he was 28, age isn’t an excuse and he was still a Net at that time. The guy out boarding him that wasn’t a top 3 rebounder like Giannis? Trevor Booker who wasn’t even a starter. Kenny can say it’s not hurting the team but there’s no proof it’s helping either
@@antireese brook has always been a bad rebounder in his career
i don’t think it’s honestly that bad though. brook was a good rebounder back in new jersey so i think it’s more of a team scheme thing rather than him not wanting to get them.
The problem with the whole debate was that they were arguing two different points. Kenny’s point was that Brook Lopez not rebounding doesn’t impact the bucks’ success because they have Giannis. P & DMills argument was that as a 7 footer, Brook SHOULD be rebounding more. Both arguments are valid tho.
Ngl it’s corny asf how Kenny be so animated to argue with Mike and dmills but the second Pierre wants to argue with him he just backs down and agrees. Pathetic.
True. But it’s the same vice versa…P don’t ever bug up with Kenny neither. Mike and DMills are the punching bags.
You clearly haven't watched enough of these fellas over the years 😅
@@LuckyGuy1111 ngl that’s not true bro. P is corny asl a lot of the time and he does mostly target Mike and Dmills but he goes at Kenny too reason it seems like he never does is because Kenny just backs down and respectfully disagrees within 30 seconds of the debate 99% of the time
@@mosescuh3644 I have tho and it’s obvious. Lmao go watch a random episode from now to 2 years ago and you’ll see that 99% of the time Kenny would just change his whole tone whenever P jumps in to argue against his point. He’d go from being aggressive against mine and dmills then when P inserts himself Kenny jist puts his head down and respectfully disagrees or pretends to agree
For y’all who disagree lol just look at the Brook Lopez debate any you’ll see exactly my point (that’s just one of the 50 debates I’ve seen him do that)
KB is dead wrong Lopez should be getting more rebounds
1 view is crazy
ik kenny was buggin the first time i watched the first clip in this vid😭 don't no one give a damn abt the clippers if kawhi not playin
bro niggas in the comments on that pod were glazing too 😭 I think our boy been watching too much attack on titan
Fr 😂😂😂
Bro they came out and won game 1 😂 he was right they weren’t prepared
You’re dumb af if you didn’t understand his point
@@newtlezyeah i agree with kenny on the first take