Full Season of Mangrove Jack Fishing Tips (Everything I Learnt)

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    Hi guys! thought I'd put together a video explaining everything I have learnt in my first season of chasing mangrove jacks! Hope this helps and you enjoy the video!

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  • @liquidbrickle
    @liquidbrickle 7 років тому +3

    Hey Timmy, just want to say I think you are a legend and it's fantastic that you help out us other fishos. I enjoy all of your vids and wish you the best in life! You rock!
    Cheers - Will

  • @barnold2085
    @barnold2085 7 років тому +3

    Good tips mate not everyone appreciates the time and effort you have put in to share the knowledge you have. 17 in your first season is a great start I managed 7 this season with minimal outings and I've chased them for years 😂 keep up the videos mate they're entertaining to say the least 👍

  • @markastonmusic
    @markastonmusic 5 років тому

    Brilliant. Just back from Goa where I got completely destroyed by MJ's. Can't believe how mental the takes are and thanks so much for all the tips. Hopefully be a little better prepared next time....

  • @nigelkelly8016
    @nigelkelly8016 7 років тому +4

    G'day from W.A, luv your vids Timmy, look forward to next season.

  • @danagboi
    @danagboi 6 років тому

    You, Sir, deserve a medal.

  • @brodyhennessy920
    @brodyhennessy920 7 років тому +5

    Thanks for all the vids this season Timmy never even thought about chasing jacks till I saw you on the news and started watching you ever since. Thanks to you I caught my first jack a few weeks ago and she went 51cm and another yesterday 28cm but the season is well and truly dead now. Can't wait for next season and building a pipe raft to fish off too.
    I think you should do a series next season "fishing with fans" and take one person a week of your choice to fish with you for jacks

  • @IRFANCAST
    @IRFANCAST 7 років тому

    Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.This year has been my Jack learning year..and I can relate to the falling barometer part.Caught my first and only topwater jack on a rainy night with a low barometer.Will certainly be keen to go out on the next low barometer day and will fish outgoing tides more

  • @geoffjones1209
    @geoffjones1209 7 років тому

    Good on ya Timmy, never caught a legal Jack in my life, thank you very much for the hints mate, muchly appreciated and keep up the good work, youre a gem son

  • @Kaleb.D.Watts97
    @Kaleb.D.Watts97 7 років тому

    Thanks for the tips timmy! I will definitely be targeting jacks this season for sure. Keep up the good work bruzz!

  • @Reaperthejeeper
    @Reaperthejeeper 7 років тому

    You are a legend mate love the humble style bud keep up the good work!

  • @MaxFISH.
    @MaxFISH. 7 років тому

    great video mate!
    My Grandad and I have been fishing for jacks in Currumbin Creek for years now, we both have cracked a 70cm plus Jack and in our best season, we caught over 32 jacks in just over 3 months. I was only about 10 back then!
    we fish mainly around the two corners of the first canal and the last bridge before the mouth.

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому +1

      thats awesome mate! would love to crack a seventy haha maybe next season. i know those paces well :)

    • @MaxFISH.
      @MaxFISH. 7 років тому

      i reckon you could fill your tackle box with basically every lure in the atomic range from there considering all the lures I have lost there along the years and is probably worth about 72 million dollars when taking into consideration the cost of lures these days!
      And you could become a billionaire with all the tons of lead in sinkers we have lost there as well! :)

    • @MaxFISH.
      @MaxFISH. 7 років тому

      would you mind checking out my channel and give me some feedback?
      i fish a lot around the coast and here in Brisbane and in a lot of places you and Rokkit fish.
      i started it just the other week
      cheers!

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому

      good videos mate. just put yourself in front of the camera every now and then. people want to relate to the fisherman and get to know you. just start by saying what you are fishing for and how. at the beginning and then thanks for watching at the end. and then as you get use to it you can start to talk more. i think people prefer talking over music but it is very hard to do hahaha ill fish all week and forget to say a word to the camera and then it makes it very hard to make a film. thats why the music goes in haha. do one thing that scares you everyday. i talk to a camera haha good luck with the channel

    • @MaxFISH.
      @MaxFISH. 7 років тому

      yeah, well my dad isn't allowing me to put my face in it because im still only young but thanks heaps.

  • @LivingOutdoorsWild
    @LivingOutdoorsWild 6 років тому

    Thank you for the info!
    Of all the lures, for me it was a Yo-zuri hydro magnum deep diver in the 120mm and white with chartreuse back color.

  • @faizalzulkifli371
    @faizalzulkifli371 7 років тому +1

    This is gold and thanks for sharing! amazing details on the tips. :D

  • @01ericowen
    @01ericowen 7 років тому

    Very nice tutorial on lures for Mangrove snappers. I hope it helps me next month while I am in the Dominican Republic.

  • @charlieway6248
    @charlieway6248 7 років тому

    love the videos bro! getting me pumped for next season.

  • @ashercalereyland1766
    @ashercalereyland1766 6 років тому

    Thanks for the tips and I have just started to chase the jacks but we had most of the time we went for flathead and so hopefully those tip will help us catch our first ever jack at the age of 12 so pretty exited after those tips thank and I love your UA-cam channel all the best for it thanks🎣🎣🐠🐟

  • @madhawk2817
    @madhawk2817 5 років тому

    helps me alot. love chasing them now. i havent got any luck with soft plactic. always got them with ofmer xdeep 75 (bassday deep shaker)

  • @nigiessquidgies
    @nigiessquidgies 2 роки тому

    Awesome tips! Thanks Timmy! 🎣

  • @owengray5778
    @owengray5778 7 років тому

    Lot of knowledge in this video mate- good stuff.

  • @michaeleffenberger583
    @michaeleffenberger583 3 роки тому

    Mate absolutely sensational video! Thanks

  • @taylorb3988
    @taylorb3988 7 років тому

    king of the estuary, good stuff man

  • @kayakfishos5119
    @kayakfishos5119 7 років тому

    A another nice video from Timmy keep up the good work mate

  • @lukeomeally1283
    @lukeomeally1283 5 років тому

    Great review of ya season mate,some very good points you made,👍such an awesome fish to chase

  • @mohamedfiroz
    @mohamedfiroz 7 років тому

    Hi Timmy, some of your tips have been helpful...... But I've really impressed with the boat that you fish from ....... 5stars brother,and please entertain us with your jack session.....

  • @dolski36
    @dolski36 7 років тому +1

    so happy whenever i see the notification, come have a fish at Forster mate

  • @alecwilliams8425
    @alecwilliams8425 7 років тому

    Timmy mate if you're fishing the big tides and there's plenty of jelly prawns around chuck on a 4 inch atomic prongs in the clear white-ish colour with a 1/8th 3/0X tt jighead been my go to plastic when the fish are gorging themselves on prawns always produces the goods!!

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому

      cheers mate i did pick myself up a packet but didn't give it much use. next season i will definitely give them more of a crack. they look like a good lure

  • @Caleb_manee12
    @Caleb_manee12 7 років тому +3

    Thanks for the tips Timmy turtle

  • @mully6859
    @mully6859 7 років тому +1

    Great tips Tim! Thanks mate 👍

  • @mrminnow1243
    @mrminnow1243 7 років тому +1

    Tips from a legend

  • @leytonschiffk8001
    @leytonschiffk8001 7 років тому

    Good video mate helped me a lot, should give some more tip videos if your struggling to catch some fish, it was really good 👍🏽

  • @GettinHookd
    @GettinHookd 7 років тому

    great tips mate, cheers hope I can catch a few and get em on camera

  • @danielayris3623
    @danielayris3623 7 років тому +1

    Thanks Timmy pretty much everything i wanted to ask you . Keep up the great work , you need a catch phrase but 🤙🏻

  • @louisfishingodyssey
    @louisfishingodyssey 7 років тому

    Good tips Timmy , gonna give them a go next season 🤘

  • @scottsuan
    @scottsuan 7 років тому

    Keep the vids coming. Good work mate 👍🏼

  • @yangjianhunt
    @yangjianhunt 7 років тому

    Haven't seen such dedication and seriousness to fishing a species. Also I learned something from your video-that is not to set the drag too tight when setting the hook. I've lost many fish recently. Subbed!
    Also are you fishing in Florida? Are these fish also called mangrove snapper locally?

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому

      +Jan young hey Jan. No fishing Australia. We fish them just about as far south as they go so can be very hard to temp some days. Up north where the waters are always warm they are a lot easier to catch but don't grow as in the estuaries. Mangrove jack in Australia mangrove snapper in Florida. Best fighting fish for there size. And more and more people are chasing them every summer

  • @aaronfilips4087
    @aaronfilips4087 5 років тому

    Another great video. Thanks

  • @hamandpeasoap9639
    @hamandpeasoap9639 7 років тому +17

    Thanks for the tips dad 👍🏼

  • @action24061974
    @action24061974 7 років тому

    Top marks on not swearing on bust offs. I let it rip. I'll definitely try to looser drag option. Also have you tried just using worm hooks and putting a small sinker in your loop knot. Much cheaper then those snake heads.

  • @WAKayakAngler
    @WAKayakAngler 7 років тому

    Bring your Commy and raft to WA Timmy! Our Commos could go places mate! Can sneak your raft into heaps of places!

  • @abesouth7828
    @abesouth7828 7 років тому

    In my experience of chasing jacks in north queensland, particularly hinchinbrook they have a 'nasty' habit of circling the bait and grabbing it on the way to their mangrove home. An elusive and worthy fish. As with all members of the lujanit family they are great eating too. Just don't waste any of the fish, steam or deep fry it whole.

  • @nathancampbell3094
    @nathancampbell3094 6 років тому

    What are your PB's for jacks, bream, flathead and for Trevor

  • @trevorgreen2370
    @trevorgreen2370 2 роки тому

    Thanks for sharing.

  • @AngusCunningham
    @AngusCunningham 7 років тому

    Heaps good video really enjoy your videos keep it up!

  • @ryanpatnaude7159
    @ryanpatnaude7159 7 років тому

    I'm in Fiji and love to chase the jacks around the mangrove rivers. When are the jacks running, when is the season and we're do they go in the off time. Trying to figure it out for my waters of Fiji so I can target them accordingly.

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому +2

      during the summer is when the jacks are on. from about october through to may. we recently had a heap of rain so it closed the season about a month ago the water temps never recovered. some jacks will move back out to the ocean some will stay in the rivers creeks and canals but be less aggressive so only feed on bait or live bait. if your lucky you will still get them on lures but we tend to target them when they are really fired up. water temps over 24-25 is what you want hot muggy days

    • @ryanpatnaude7159
      @ryanpatnaude7159 7 років тому

      Fishing With Timmy Turtle wow great tips

  • @0755browny
    @0755browny 7 років тому +1

    Hey Tim I've been fishing for bream on soft plastics for 2 days with my new setup can u give me some advise in techniques and that would be excellent thank you 👍

  • @lachlanallan4994
    @lachlanallan4994 6 років тому

    Great advice keep going 👍👍👍🎣🎣🎣

  • @BradGryphonn
    @BradGryphonn 7 років тому

    Excellent. Thanks buddy.

  • @fiscusbenjamina
    @fiscusbenjamina 6 років тому

    Great vid Timmy. Now get out of the paddling shop and open the turtle tackle store, customers lining up outside the door....

  • @philbradley5366
    @philbradley5366 7 років тому

    Great Vid Timmy

  • @protegeboy7862
    @protegeboy7862 7 років тому

    hey bro I've found out fishing for jacks using steel lead really helps . I currently start my jack challenge an I had trouble fishing without steel lead . but I've had two record jack the first is 7lbs and and the second was monster 10.4 lbs I fish in a logoon 6 miles away from my house it comes off the sea.

  • @kanepaterson5284
    @kanepaterson5284 7 років тому

    Nice one mate. U heading out in the next week

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому

      yer been doing a lot of land based fishing with the winds like they are but not doing to well haha have you been out recently?

    • @kanepaterson5284
      @kanepaterson5284 7 років тому

      Nice nah i have not been out at all. Home in a few days was going to try get out on my days off

  • @jakubwone1717
    @jakubwone1717 6 років тому

    Hey bro try the zman pop frogs they go pretty good with jacks 🤙👌

  • @JEAdventures
    @JEAdventures 6 років тому

    Looking to buy a baitcaster rod for chasing Jacks what weight rating would you recommend? I’ll be using 20lb braid

  • @mrminnow1243
    @mrminnow1243 7 років тому +1

    Awesome tips

  • @vsonic86
    @vsonic86 6 років тому

    Right on time when I need to look for bait specifically for mangrove jack, but can you list the name of all your hard bait lure?

  • @LucaMaynes
    @LucaMaynes 7 років тому

    Hey Timmy, would you be able to link the jackall lures please? and what pound braid and mono were you using?

  • @SoloAngler
    @SoloAngler 6 років тому

    If someone can't catch a Jack after watching your videos then they should quit!!! Great vids mate. Would love your thoughts on my Exploring Noosa film preview if you get 90seconds spare.

  • @shanehill2861
    @shanehill2861 7 років тому

    Great vid mate

  • @TheRealMrCods
    @TheRealMrCods 7 років тому

    Appreciate the tips mate

  • @kyleg7436
    @kyleg7436 7 років тому

    what pound leader do you use because you breakoff of alot of jacks

  • @coopermagnay45
    @coopermagnay45 7 років тому

    Great video mate

    • @housharyyusa4578
      @housharyyusa4578 7 років тому +1

      Cooper Magnay great vid u havent even watched it yet

  • @greeby85
    @greeby85 7 років тому

    Nice video, thanks for sharing

  • @haydensadventures1676
    @haydensadventures1676 7 років тому

    hey quick question im in maroochydore and never caught a jack so wanting to ask 2 questions Are they good to eat and when i down loaded the fisho app it said they carry some disses. so can or cant you eat them

  • @jackwright6292
    @jackwright6292 7 років тому

    hey mate, just wondering what brand leader, lb and whether its fluro carbon or not that you use for jacks. cheers :)

  • @charliecava2772
    @charliecava2772 7 років тому

    That was a great video

  • @travisrobben1119
    @travisrobben1119 7 років тому

    When the prawns are running try using a keitech crazy flapper in sight flash or silver flash claw.Motackle has got them.

  • @kane6121
    @kane6121 4 роки тому

    I went out to a spot last week in Karratha Wa, everyone says it’s “fished out” but I caught 24 jacks in one morning and the biggest was 50cm (catch and release)

  • @paceproject1972
    @paceproject1972 7 років тому

    hey red dog man,love your clips,do you do any live bait fishing for reds?thats all I do up here on the sunshine coast and the fish all seem to be quality.cheers

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому +2

      hey mate cheers glad you are enjoying them! I would throw the cast net away and go and buy a packet of lures. you will not look back. I live baited for two weeks then bought some lures and never used it again. a lot more enjoyable and rewarding when you get a fish :)

  • @jordanstrudwick6507
    @jordanstrudwick6507 7 років тому

    Hey Timmy! Had my second session chasin Jacks this morning at Coomera, not even a hit the last 2 sessions! I’m getting a new rod thinking a Daiwa Gen Black either 3-7kg 6.4’ or 4-7kg 6.4’ or 6’ do you have any suggestions? Cheers mate, love your vids

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому +1

      dont stress mate keep trying different spots I have barley had a hit in my last 14 sessions. I use to own the 4-9kg but it snapped when the motor landed on it. it was a perfect rod for jack fishing.

    • @jordanstrudwick6507
      @jordanstrudwick6507 7 років тому

      Fishing With Timmy Turtle cheers bro!

  • @rodbengkokadventures2972
    @rodbengkokadventures2972 7 років тому +4

    Hi Timmy, did you try fishing barramundi??

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому +1

      yes i do but haven't had much luck they are hard to come by this far south

    • @timphoto83ec
      @timphoto83ec 7 років тому

      I fished the Tiwi islands and had way more fun on the jacks than Barramundi. Over rated i feel. Oh and the smallest i caught was about the size of your biggest. If you can get up there.......

  • @ranshilchand2380
    @ranshilchand2380 7 років тому

    Hi mate what rapala lure is best for jacks

  • @fishingbrad7290
    @fishingbrad7290 7 років тому

    Thanks for sharing TT.

  • @YeahBunji
    @YeahBunji 7 років тому

    Timmy turtle u legend

  • @jonnywaselectric
    @jonnywaselectric 7 років тому +1

    Good stuff mate, what is that reel that you need new bearings for? My mate supplies bearings for reel repairs, I'll hit him up to sort you out, or I'll shout you a set.

    • @geoffjones1209
      @geoffjones1209 7 років тому

      'What a guy

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому

      thanks mate its a shimano scorpion but its all good ill grab them myself. going to experiment with full ceramic in some places and hybrids in other. see how it goes. thanks heaps for the offer :) appreciate it. sorry the late response I've been meaning to write the response for a while

    • @jonnywaselectric
      @jonnywaselectric 7 років тому

      Fishing With Timmy Turtle no wuckas mate, happy to offer ya. I had a look and can't see that reel on there, he has plenty of shimano sets. I'll shoot him a message and tell him to look at putting them on there. I've got him to do up 10% off for anyone I give a code to, code is "everyrc"
      plaig.com.au/shop/index.php/bfishing-reel-bearingsb-shimano-bearing-kits-c-62_73

    • @jonnywaselectric
      @jonnywaselectric 7 років тому

      Fishing With Timmy Turtle there appears to be a few different sized scorpions, what size have you got and curious did you buy it in Australia?

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому

      no bought from ebay so was sent from japan. paid 220 i think postage included. 70HG

  • @darcybreamen2754
    @darcybreamen2754 6 років тому

    Do u upgrade your split rings on your lures other than the hooks Timmy

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  6 років тому

      yer mate minimum 40lb split rings for jacks on some lures use 50 and 60lb also to help with the suspension of the lure

    • @darcybreamen2754
      @darcybreamen2754 6 років тому

      Thx mate hope to see some more of these talks on knots and stuff like that great vid Tim I’ve watched this 5 times hahah

  • @dwayno_unknown
    @dwayno_unknown 7 років тому

    nice video Timmy

  • @matthewmichael5255
    @matthewmichael5255 7 років тому

    Saw u on the news good job

  • @yorkie625
    @yorkie625 7 років тому

    salute!!! indeed!!!

  • @anthonyhunt2129
    @anthonyhunt2129 7 років тому

    Hey timmy, What are you doing when you grab your watch at 8:40?, i notice you do it quite a bit? is it your go pro remote or something?

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому

      its the control for the motor my foot control broke for a while and switched to the remote control

    • @anthonyhunt2129
      @anthonyhunt2129 7 років тому

      ohhhhh right haha cheers for the response!

  • @danielkopasakis8787
    @danielkopasakis8787 7 років тому

    hi timmy when are the seasons of jack fishing on the goldie

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому

      from october through to april may. you can get them all year round but this is when they are most active. warmer water temps

  • @brendanchan7159
    @brendanchan7159 6 років тому

    what a good reel ratio

  • @frankleon6708
    @frankleon6708 3 роки тому

    You are a champ!!!

  • @thebeerhunter817
    @thebeerhunter817 7 років тому

    Hey timmy how many jacks do you think you hooked or caught between 9am and 3pm? Or were they all early morning late arvo captures?

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому +1

      id say a majority came between 8-10. but my mate has got them 12-1 in the arvo so the feed all day. when the sun is highest in the sky good time to hit the potions because the water will be warm and they will be right up underneath them

    • @thebeerhunter817
      @thebeerhunter817 7 років тому

      Fishing With Timmy Turtle legendary mate thanks i only tend to get them late arvo but thats probably because thats when i fish haha. But i have days free in between school hours so i might hit them all day. Cheers mate and thanks. Might bump into you one day see ya.

  • @HannieBannie1234
    @HannieBannie1234 7 років тому

    Hey mate, where do you find those charts that you showed when talking about the Northerlys?

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому

      that was just a picture off google images but you can look up sea water temps there are a few good ones if you search around i don't know any off the top of my head but a friend showed me a good one.

  • @fishingfinnh-s2740
    @fishingfinnh-s2740 7 років тому

    That was great thanks so much

  • @jayvanwardell1506
    @jayvanwardell1506 7 років тому

    Hi timmy, how did you rig your 2.5 inch zman curlytail grubs? Love your vids keep it up.

  • @jedharrison288
    @jedharrison288 6 років тому

    On ya turtle! !

  • @lewis.scells3090
    @lewis.scells3090 7 років тому

    Can you still catch them in winter?

  • @ranshilchand2380
    @ranshilchand2380 7 років тому

    What hook you use mate

  • @callum4wdaus582
    @callum4wdaus582 7 років тому

    Thanks

  • @callum4wdaus582
    @callum4wdaus582 7 років тому

    Is the jack season winter or summer

  • @Fishin_Rn
    @Fishin_Rn Рік тому

    Hey what’s the chart you used at 3:15

  • @nickkenny5151
    @nickkenny5151 6 років тому

    You didn’t include the ecogear balt 😩

  • @Tackle_Rat
    @Tackle_Rat 3 роки тому

    Nice

  • @dr.martin2480
    @dr.martin2480 6 років тому

    Please give me specification of reel and rod to catch mangroos snaper

  • @FishAndWhipz
    @FishAndWhipz 7 років тому

    "Fishing With The Jack God"

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому +5

      haha i dont deserve that name, 17 is not a high number next season I'm going to crack 50, thats my goal

  • @maxrobards1047
    @maxrobards1047 7 років тому

    Hi mate I went to a plumbing store the other day to make myself a fishing raft and the cost of the pvc pipe alone with no ply or trolling motor was $450! All up with a trolling motor and ply it would of been around $700-800 when you can buy a fishing kayak for $400
    why Timmy why

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому +3

      firstly i did not pay anything near that. i had a plumber friend who got all the materials for next to nothing, secondly building your own boat is much more rewarding, and thirdly cheap fishing kayaks you can only stand up in in super calm conditions. i wanted to be able to stand up the whole time i was fishing. thats why

    • @maxrobards1047
      @maxrobards1047 7 років тому +1

      Thanks for the reply great points. if you have got a good place to by cheap plumbing part please let me know. thanks again for the reply. your my favourite youtube by far because of you interesting fishing experiences and great ideas and creativity.
      cheers max

    • @brodyhennessy920
      @brodyhennessy920 7 років тому

      Max Robards hey mate have you tried just going to Bunnings that's probably where I'm going to get the materials from and it's not as expensive as you found your materials from?

    • @FishingWithTimmyTurtle
      @FishingWithTimmyTurtle  7 років тому

      bunnings docent supply 150mm pipe only 100mm, i would go on gumtree and left over building supplies. a lot cheaper

    • @maxrobards1047
      @maxrobards1047 7 років тому

      Fishing With Timmy Turtle thanks great idea I'll give that a shot. You should fish clarrie hall dam for bass it look really promising and it's only about 1 hour for the Gold Coast?

  • @mattweaver3632
    @mattweaver3632 5 років тому

    greaT looking creek system'

  • @supermandaniel8222
    @supermandaniel8222 7 років тому

    Should try get more videos

  • @drivedevision4539
    @drivedevision4539 7 років тому +7

    whos the 2 wankers that thumbs downed this.....top job tim!

    • @nuckinfuts1158
      @nuckinfuts1158 7 років тому

      every video. timmy has a few haters.