The stopping distance test does not test breaking power it tests tire traction, rider skill(body position and brake modulation) and bike weight. Any hydraulic brake can lock up the wheels. Otherwise geat vid.
Have had TRP for a long time before switching to XTR (not brake power issue but lever throw too long for my short fingers). Here's what I can say about TRP and how to improve the brakes. 1) Lever bleed with pads and rotors on. Don't use the funnel or syringe, unscrew the bleed port and use a pipette to drip the oil in. Then flick and pump the lever. This ensures the bubbles don't need to bypass the funnel and also gets a noticably stiffer lever bite. 2) Don't use the stock TRP resin pads if you can. Either use the full metal pads or go aftermarket like Galfer or LESS brand pads - much better brake force. 3) Don't get the Freedom Coast lever, go with the Oak components. The Coast levers pull too close to your knuckles. 4) TRP has shitty aftermarket support especially if you're not in USA region or bought the brakes used. All small parts are only sold via dealer and some dealers refrain from selling you the parts outright and instead ask for the brakes to be brought in. Wanted to refurb my leaky GSpec DH but was denied the plunger assembly from local dealer. 5) If you can wait, sit out till April 2025 for the release of the new DHR brake (new design with contact adjust, different plunger asswmbly and different reseviour). Probably breaking some NDA here but there you go 🤐. Also current DHR EVO will go on sale late November -30%.
Hey thanks for all the tips! They've already started to go on sale right now. Interesting to know that something new is coming. I will get on the bleed again. I didn't realize that the aftermarket support was so poor. I wouldn't have bought if I knew it was that bad, or the rotors being completely out of stock. Such a bummer.
wow! thanks for the tips! i have a TRP evo DHR which i got last year. front brake is flawless! the rear brake is too soft, tried to move to the metal pads, did an "overnight" bleed, where i left the cup over night with the lever pressed with an angle to reliefe any bubbles. still no improvement. what i can say though, that i used shimano fluid for the bleed, compared to the TRP one in the front brake! could that be the issue? (also, i saw in the video that he used shimano oil as well... so mayve, just maybe... thats the issue?)
@@EvansMTBSagaLike he said, aftermarket service is fine in the US. I contacted TRP for damaged O-ring in a caliper and they just shipped me a brand new caliper without asking too many questions. I also asked them about purchasing a plunger in lever, they sent me an invoice to purchase one.
Man, I gotta say I've been loving what you're doing with this channel recently. You have me looking forward to your weekly saturday video lol. Keep it up!
Dont give up. Been riding 30 years. Got newer Tallboy few years ago and had similar issues. Just couldnt dial in the LLVPP. Took a ton of tinkering with air pressure, rebound and compression over several months but eventually became best bike Ive had.
Switch to a sintered pad, TRPs usually come with resin pads. Those TRPs use the exact same pads as Shimano XTs so there's a huge array of good aftermarket pads. I've ridden the DH-R Evos on a couple different bikes and they're probably my favorite brakes, power wise, they're right on par with Shimano XTs but have a more consistent feel and better modulation. I would run them, but my current bike already has Shimano XTs and they're not $600 better than my existing XTs.
Love the path you're taking with this bike. Lookin' real dope so far! If you want to switch the suspension maybe consider going for Öhlins. Don't know if you tried them before but they would match the color skeem of the bike quite well imo.
Great video - thank you. I've been riding the Evo Slate on my hardtail (Binary Maniak) with the big rotors and have been really impressed. I've lost count of the trees that were scraped, rather than dented! Seriously, I love the feel and the big stopping power. My riding weight is around 240#, ride pretty aggressively for an older, heavier guy and these brakes have brought me to a halt every time I've needed them to.
The E-bike probably brakes better because the added weight increases the down ward force on the tires which = more traction. Plus larger tire size increases the surface area for the tire to grip onto the surface and transfer stopping power.
I think the rotor is the problem. I have trp on 1 of my bikes and they are just OK. I recently bought an e bike for my wife that came with Tektro. I upgraded to Shimano brakes. Same as 2 of my other bikes and they don't stop well. The only difference is the rotors. I think the 203 is smaller than 203. I ordered shimano rotors that should be here today a d I'm pretty sure that will fix my poor stopping power. I bet if you put the rotors back on that you just removed, you will see a big improvement. Love your videos!
Loved the video! That has sounded honest like never before. You had your ups and downs in recent videos but that one is a gem. I would love to watch content like that in the future. Keep up great work!
Haha oh man I kind of pulled my punches a little bit. I felt like I was being overly negative, but all of those opinions are genuine. As a consumer, I was not happy with the purchase of these brakes in so many ways, but I wanted to like them.
I love these brakes. I do however have the top end TRP rotor. I feel like they are exactly as you say they are. Like Shimano XT 4 piston, but with much better modulation. I also like the DB8 brakes, especially for how good they are for the money. Let's face it. We are on dirt and brakes need to be more about good control and less about how powerful they are. I feel like, especially in this country, everyone wants the "I have more power!" bragging rights without thinking about all the other aspects. So for me, I think the TRP EVO DHR brakes are some of the best brakes on the market right now.
I love your comment man. Great input. The feel is definitely the most important. I like to do quick stabs of the brakes while dancing around singletrack, so having the most power in that situation would probably mean losing traction.
Not a big fan of the TRP brake pads. Not sure if mine just were contaminated or something, but they did not provide the power I was expecting.. But after switching to Galfer purple pads.. Oh boy! Such a massive difference! I was literally doing endos by accident on my bed-in runs. Loving the DHR-evos now. It's a bit of a shame though, that you might need to shell out another 50 bucks or whatever straight out of the box...
That has been my suspicion as well. Got the Slate Evos and for a 4 piston brake, I was not that impressed with their stopping power. I'm probably gonna replace the pads with something better. AFAIK TRP 4-piston is the same pad as Shimano 4-piston so there are plenty of options.
That's the same stuff I got in my Zitto brakes 😂 that was only 50.00. still better than cables, and work just like your 600.00 one. Winning. I have to say, a lot of your taste is higher than the average Joe and will never relate. Since there's more of us than the well off. 🤔. Love your content in the end ❤
Hey Evan, regarding your brake rotors you can get center lock adapter that screw the center lock area and make the wheel hub into a 6 bolt. Maybe check your berd wheel set coz it might include the adapter. I know my DT swiss rims came with the adapter. Makes finding rotors easier and cheaper than dedicated centerlock rotors.
You gotta try the Freedom Coast levers. Omg, they make the TRP’s feel so much better. I will also say, it took me a little while to get used to the TRP’s coming from Shimano. I’d give them a month and then see how you feel about them.
I just found out from comments that trp and Shimano use the same pads, so I have 1 pair of MTX red label in my garage. Now I have to decide if I put them on the front or back 😂
cheers Evan, I am a Dominion guy, I've been on them for years. Ya they sound very similar to them, and they look sexier ;) the bikes geometry and weight has a lot to do with how fast a set of brakes can stop a bike... try them on your heavy ebike. I just bought a 2025 Nomad frame, and have built it up how I wanted it, I wasn't sure if I wanted the T type drivetrain. I went with Hayes, Hope wheel set, Oneup Dropper/bar/stem/grips, X01 carbon cranks/ cable shifter & derailer, XX1 oil slick cassette and chain. it currently has my DVO Onyx 36 (with newer compression dial) but I just ordered a new factory 38 on their sale last night. I am at about the same price as I would have paid for X01 T type axs model. I've been on Carbon rims for a couple years so going back to alloy should be interesting if I can notice the differences... 1st ride on the wheel set today. stoked AF lol
I'm far from the most knowledgeable guy on brakes, and I don't get into high dollar very expensive gear, but the Code's are great if you are doing big long rides and don't want to think too much about modulation, just grab a bunch and when you need more just slam them some more. They aren't a finesse kind of brake. One of my favorite brake sets for power and fine brake input is actually the Sram Level series. I have them on a DH bike and initial bite is aggressive but easy to fine tune the input, good brakes for when you are set on kill and really paying attention.
Hope Tech 4 V 4s with the 3.3mm vented rotors!! Unbelievable stopping power!! Not too sure what it's like in North America but here in Ireland, parts are readily available if you need to do anything with them!!
Don't ditch them just yet. Life isn't always linear with things just working as expected. Guys like myself appreciate seeing you work through problems. You've got the time, tools, and means to work through the challenges, and it should make for good content.
Another awesome video. I think what happens with a lot of expensive products is there isn't much in comparison as most riders can't afford to test 2-3 mid or even high grade sets. Most of us can only afford something slightly better than stock. I think a lot of MTB products are now getting bought up by ebike and emoto owners. This makes it harder to source, especially when competing against a company who is gonna build 1000+ bikes. but also it means in a few short years, a ton of ebikes out there with decent brake systems will be for sale cheap as their batteries fail :)
I have DRH Evo's with their 203 RS05E Race Rotors and have the same hubs, kinda disappointed Onyx didn't offer them in 6bolt, however I just picked up some Shimano 6bolt to center lock adaptors and it's been just fine. Love my TPRs though! Strong, consistent, light lever action, and look great with the Freedom Coast levers. :)
Hope Tech 3 E4, has a set for around 8 years and they have been on a few bikes, they work really well and I've only needed to bleed them when I changed bike and the hose needed to be routed internally.
I have two sets of Hope Tech4 x2 piston brakes, one set on my Atherton AM.130 and the other set on my Salsa Fargo; different bikes and usage but the brakes performance is superb, lovely lever feel and adjustable for both reach and bite point...an added bonus is they look like expensive jewellery items!
If your going with new suspension front and back i would recommend formula selva r front or selva c if you want a coil fork and the formula mod if you want a coil shock or the formula nebbia if you want a air rear shock. Nothing but good with formula and feel way better than anything else on the market if you can afford them
I believe they come with resin pads, change them with semi metalic or metallic. My TRP Trail had resin, I lost power on long DH, ditch the pads, now have semi metallic, never lost power anymore. good luck.
I found some parts bin Shimano Saint levers and paired them with some Shimano mt420 calipers with metal pads. They're the most powerful brake I've ever had and they're on an ebike. Also the cheapest, since I paid $60 for everything.
If you want to go along the golden theme, try CaneCreek instead of Fox gold. I think a CaneCreek coil, maybe with a gold spring would be sick. Matching this to a CaneCreek Helm MK2, go for it
If somebody search budget brakes, try Shimano Deore 6120. I have these on my 60 kg bike or about 120 lbs. 203 mm rotor on the front and 160 mm in the back. Both from Ztto woth 2,3 mm thickness. Best combo with enough power and no blocking the tyre. Even on downhill I have no problem with overheating.
@@EvansMTBSaga The TRP pads are bad. I switched to Galfer purple pads and they work unbelievably well. Getting rid of great brakes because of pads seems a little out of touch. Not something many people in the real world would or should do..
Oh dear, all the reviewers say the new grip X Fox fork dampers are very harsh, not sure they will fix the handling of the bike🤔 look forward to finding out....
Would you try öhlins suspension? I once tried öhlins and wasnt set up from me too but look i tried them on some stairs the suspension was so good you didnt feel anything just slight bumps in the rear öhlins schock but overall i recommend trying öhlins
love the look and feel of the trp's but....have had issues with having to realign the calipers multiple times...maybe due to the thicker discs...idk...now I just carry an Allen and a thin card to put over the disc and realign the caliper as needed to stop the dreaded brake squeaking and slow rotation of the wheel...lil irritating at times but overall happy
any properly adjusted good brake can lock up a front tire…which means they are all “powerful enough”… control and traction are what limit braking, until you hit the point where heat management comes into play.
I'd like to see clamping force at the caliper at like max lever leverage listed in brakes reviews, I remember some publications listing it in comparison testing. I wonder why they don't do it anymore it would settle a lot of internet banter about brakes 😅 *Both TRP rotors type are made of 304 stainless and are 2.3mm thickness there's no reason they should differ in performing in initial bite, maybe the two piece one dissipate heat faster but shouldn't affect your testing... I'm currently using the lewis LH4 on two bikes with 2.3 mm rotors they have something similar in the feel department to the hayes, pretty light lever action you might like them, final bite at the end of the stroke is light but savage...
Do you have a video of how you bleed brakes? Reason I ask is because I really like how you filled these TRPs from the top and I've been filling from below.
Before you buy a new fork, you should try burnishing the bushings. I'm on the sam position as you where I got a canyon spectral cf 8 with a lyrik select plus and its rough though the rocks and breaking bums especially, i want to know what your thoughtsare afteryou do the burnishing because the tool is expensive and i dont want to be wastingmoney. My dad's bike has a fox 36 with feels so much smooth through rock and roots. My spectral has a rockshox coil deluxe on it and the small bump sensitivity is insane, I would highly recommend a coil. Happy trails!
Off topic, any regrets moving to NWA outside of biking? Anything that you weren’t expecting? Wife and I are seriously looking at the Rogers area. I would love to live in an area that I could get around mostly by bike. Currently live in Northern Michigan. Thanks in advance.
My evo brakes lasted 6 months on my enduro rig. Never felt like they had the power compared to my slx 4 pistons. Switched to saints after the trps and never gonna look back.
@ my theory is you can never have too much braking. Beside Trp I’ve only ran shimano and I was turned off of modulation. I like waiting until the last second to stop as I feel I carry more speed. Guy who bought them from me said the freedom coast lever helps but I didn’t want to spend another $150 to make $600 brakes work. I ride leatherwood and Ponca a lot and Saint are what I’ll be running for the foreseeable future. Ps-you need to go do the blacks at Ponca one day. Unlike anything in Arkansas. The blue is boring fyi haha.
Any brake that is able to lock the wheel will result in same brake distance. Oversized brakes will only be an advantage when you brake for long time and undersized brakes start overheating
i have these on my eMTB ( intense tazer alloy pro, super heavy bike) with the same tier brake rotors as you. I'm a really heavy rider 125kg with gear plus my heavy bike and these TRP brakes can stop me extremly well even on the steepest trail sections, also the thick rotors are super heat resistant, they never faded on me ever. I ride most trails around Freiburg im Breisgau in germany, so they are steep in some cases. My brakepads sadly came contaminated so i switched them for jagwire sintered metal pads. I for myself can highly recomend these TRP brakes. maybe switch the pads and give them another chance.
Yeah that's what I keep hearing in these comments. It sounds like the stock pads aren't great. But the good news is that Shimano pads are compatible, so for next video I will install some new pads when I replace the suspension! Thanks for watching and commenting!!
Regarding the suspension. I'm starting to get the impression that there is an issue with the 2024 version of the RS Lyriks, especially the models below the ultimate. I've seen several reviews now where people are complaining about harshness with 2024 Lyriks, which is unusual since the Lyrik has traditionally been a very plush fork. As for the shock, I'd throw a Float X or Super Deluxe Ultimate on there, I think you'd lose some of the trail bike poppiness by coiling the Bronson, and Bentonville trails definitely favor a poppy and playful bike over a ground hugging monster truck.
I don´t think the rotors would make much difference for performance. Maybe for heat management but as you don´t have any prolonged descents in Bentonville that shouldn´t be an issue. I´d rather look at brakepads. You should have plenty of choice as TRP´s use the same size as Shimano 4-pots. Galfer black are good and quite affordable. Saying all that: It looked like you had some trouble stopping the rear wheel from locking up on your test runs with the TRP´s. More powerful brakepads surely won´t help with that ;) Guess it´s just a matter of getting used to them and/or maybe work on your body position a bit.
I personally don't think you should go coil. I think coil shocks really tend to make the bike feel more enduro 'rock smash'... I had the previous gen bronson with a 160 coil and with a 170 coil and it was difficult to get off the ground and kinda muted the trail a lot, regretted it a bit. I think the rockshox vivid would be awesome
Too late 😬 already ordered it. But I definitely have those concerns and would go back to an air shock if it starts feeling like a magic carpet or memory foam mattress haha
You need to bleed the brakes properly! Trp uses a reverse bleed where you push oil from caliper into the cup. In your video you pulled from the top like sram. Your lever shouldn’t go all the way to the bar
Damn, I feel like either this is installer error or you just don't have the terrain needed to REALLY work these in. I'm 270 and had trouble with the SRAM Code RSCs until I replaced them with these.
Maybe next time you can try to test a some sort of mix sram maven with Shimano e.g. Shimano levers with Sram Maven calipers, Shimano calipers with Sram Maven levers :)
I can get mavens working fine by vacuming the rear caliper, making sure you dont open the bleeding edge more than half a turn at MAX TRP's have always given me issues, the pistons never stay balanced, one side always comes out more after a trail and it rubs so bad.
Oh yeah I tried the vacuum trick and that helped with a squishy lever. I also tried the 2 rotor trick and that helped with a squishy lever. I massaged the pistons and lubed them but it didn't help the wandering bite point. Its minor and random though. With TRP, after heavy braking, the pads will rub for a little while and I do quick lever pulls to reset them haha. Kinda funky
After day 1 with these, I was set on selling them and getting Dominions. Gonna give it some more time though cuz Dominions are out of stock most places at the moment
I think the "Brake-Power-Test" down the Hill isn't really a valid way to test Brakepower. Most brake can just lock up the wheel so its just down to grip and riderskill (also different every run). I think "Power" is more like How hard do I have to pull the Lever to get a certain Brake Force. (I hope my comment is understandable and its meant as constructive critisism not to blame you for bad testing methods)
For both the DB8 and TRP brakes on the road test, I had to pull in both HARD to stop. Then with the Maven, I had to pull no so hard and it stopped way sooner and a 20lbs heavier bike. So Mavens for the win on that front
If your going with a coil shock you should see if you can get the coil powder coated gold so it matches your bike!
💯 thats a great idea would love to see if he does that 😍
Or go Ohlins suspension.
The stopping distance test does not test breaking power it tests tire traction, rider skill(body position and brake modulation) and bike weight. Any hydraulic brake can lock up the wheels. Otherwise geat vid.
True! TRPs are definitely stronger than the grip you have.
Would be interesting to do a bench style flywheel @ rpm test, see what hauls it down the fastest.
Also bike geometry should play a part too
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@EvansMTBSaga my pleasure señor
Please explain
I changed it haha
Have had TRP for a long time before switching to XTR (not brake power issue but lever throw too long for my short fingers).
Here's what I can say about TRP and how to improve the brakes.
1) Lever bleed with pads and rotors on. Don't use the funnel or syringe, unscrew the bleed port and use a pipette to drip the oil in. Then flick and pump the lever. This ensures the bubbles don't need to bypass the funnel and also gets a noticably stiffer lever bite.
2) Don't use the stock TRP resin pads if you can. Either use the full metal pads or go aftermarket like Galfer or LESS brand pads - much better brake force.
3) Don't get the Freedom Coast lever, go with the Oak components. The Coast levers pull too close to your knuckles.
4) TRP has shitty aftermarket support especially if you're not in USA region or bought the brakes used. All small parts are only sold via dealer and some dealers refrain from selling you the parts outright and instead ask for the brakes to be brought in. Wanted to refurb my leaky GSpec DH but was denied the plunger assembly from local dealer.
5) If you can wait, sit out till April 2025 for the release of the new DHR brake (new design with contact adjust, different plunger asswmbly and different reseviour). Probably breaking some NDA here but there you go 🤐. Also current DHR EVO will go on sale late November -30%.
Hey thanks for all the tips! They've already started to go on sale right now. Interesting to know that something new is coming. I will get on the bleed again. I didn't realize that the aftermarket support was so poor. I wouldn't have bought if I knew it was that bad, or the rotors being completely out of stock. Such a bummer.
wow! thanks for the tips! i have a TRP evo DHR which i got last year. front brake is flawless! the rear brake is too soft, tried to move to the metal pads, did an "overnight" bleed, where i left the cup over night with the lever pressed with an angle to reliefe any bubbles. still no improvement. what i can say though, that i used shimano fluid for the bleed, compared to the TRP one in the front brake! could that be the issue? (also, i saw in the video that he used shimano oil as well... so mayve, just maybe... thats the issue?)
@@EvansMTBSagaLike he said, aftermarket service is fine in the US. I contacted TRP for damaged O-ring in a caliper and they just shipped me a brand new caliper without asking too many questions. I also asked them about purchasing a plunger in lever, they sent me an invoice to purchase one.
Man, I gotta say I've been loving what you're doing with this channel recently. You have me looking forward to your weekly saturday video lol. Keep it up!
Thanks dude! I've been enjoying making brutally honest reviews haha. The brands might not like it
Dont give up. Been riding 30 years. Got newer Tallboy few years ago and had similar issues. Just couldnt dial in the LLVPP. Took a ton of tinkering with air pressure, rebound and compression over several months but eventually became best bike Ive had.
Switch to a sintered pad, TRPs usually come with resin pads. Those TRPs use the exact same pads as Shimano XTs so there's a huge array of good aftermarket pads. I've ridden the DH-R Evos on a couple different bikes and they're probably my favorite brakes, power wise, they're right on par with Shimano XTs but have a more consistent feel and better modulation. I would run them, but my current bike already has Shimano XTs and they're not $600 better than my existing XTs.
Love the path you're taking with this bike. Lookin' real dope so far! If you want to switch the suspension maybe consider going for Öhlins. Don't know if you tried them before but they would match the color skeem of the bike quite well imo.
Great video - thank you. I've been riding the Evo Slate on my hardtail (Binary Maniak) with the big rotors and have been really impressed. I've lost count of the trees that were scraped, rather than dented! Seriously, I love the feel and the big stopping power. My riding weight is around 240#, ride pretty aggressively for an older, heavier guy and these brakes have brought me to a halt every time I've needed them to.
That is a good looking bike man. Santa Cruz’s frames have always looked great 😎
The E-bike probably brakes better because the added weight increases the down ward force on the tires which = more traction. Plus larger tire size increases the surface area for the tire to grip onto the surface and transfer stopping power.
I wasn't a fan of this color but outside in the sun it's looking good 😍
you need to try Hope V4 Tech 4 brakes, I use them with my Yeti SB160, actually stronger than my old maximas which I used to use
I have Tech 4's on my 160 too! and my sb115. They're awesome.
Agreed
I think the rotor is the problem. I have trp on 1 of my bikes and they are just OK. I recently bought an e bike for my wife that came with Tektro. I upgraded to Shimano brakes. Same as 2 of my other bikes and they don't stop well. The only difference is the rotors. I think the 203 is smaller than 203. I ordered shimano rotors that should be here today a d I'm pretty sure that will fix my poor stopping power.
I bet if you put the rotors back on that you just removed, you will see a big improvement. Love your videos!
Yess he should try hope tech 4 v4!!!!!
Well I wanted to say that...but you already did 😂😅
Loved the video! That has sounded honest like never before. You had your ups and downs in recent videos but that one is a gem. I would love to watch content like that in the future. Keep up great work!
Haha oh man I kind of pulled my punches a little bit. I felt like I was being overly negative, but all of those opinions are genuine. As a consumer, I was not happy with the purchase of these brakes in so many ways, but I wanted to like them.
I love these brakes. I do however have the top end TRP rotor. I feel like they are exactly as you say they are. Like Shimano XT 4 piston, but with much better modulation. I also like the DB8 brakes, especially for how good they are for the money.
Let's face it. We are on dirt and brakes need to be more about good control and less about how powerful they are. I feel like, especially in this country, everyone wants the "I have more power!" bragging rights without thinking about all the other aspects. So for me, I think the TRP EVO DHR brakes are some of the best brakes on the market right now.
I love your comment man. Great input. The feel is definitely the most important. I like to do quick stabs of the brakes while dancing around singletrack, so having the most power in that situation would probably mean losing traction.
Not a big fan of the TRP brake pads. Not sure if mine just were contaminated or something, but they did not provide the power I was expecting.. But after switching to Galfer purple pads.. Oh boy! Such a massive difference! I was literally doing endos by accident on my bed-in runs.
Loving the DHR-evos now. It's a bit of a shame though, that you might need to shell out another 50 bucks or whatever straight out of the box...
That has been my suspicion as well. Got the Slate Evos and for a 4 piston brake, I was not that impressed with their stopping power. I'm probably gonna replace the pads with something better. AFAIK TRP 4-piston is the same pad as Shimano 4-piston so there are plenty of options.
Or just get trucker co sintered pads, they're just as good as Shimano pads and are like $19 for a set
yeah the stock pads are rubbish.
I use the DHR EVO sins 2 years and i love it and no issues
I'm on TRP evo with sintered pads all day. Used it for both my bikes
Your Bronson is BY FAR the most EPIC bike you built so far.
you really should try the VERY OLD but reliable SAINTS brakes from Shimano :)
That's the same stuff I got in my Zitto brakes 😂 that was only 50.00. still better than cables, and work just like your 600.00 one. Winning. I have to say, a lot of your taste is higher than the average Joe and will never relate. Since there's more of us than the well off. 🤔. Love your content in the end ❤
I don’t even own a bike, yet i enjoy watching all of Evan’s videos…
Hey Evan, regarding your brake rotors you can get center lock adapter that screw the center lock area and make the wheel hub into a 6 bolt.
Maybe check your berd wheel set coz it might include the adapter. I know my DT swiss rims came with the adapter.
Makes finding rotors easier and cheaper than dedicated centerlock rotors.
You gotta try the Freedom Coast levers. Omg, they make the TRP’s feel so much better. I will also say, it took me a little while to get used to the TRP’s coming from Shimano. I’d give them a month and then see how you feel about them.
I've definitely checked them out! I feel bad reaching out to them and asking for black ones though haha. I think gold on gold would be overkill
I remember I hated my TRP brakes but after using it a few more rides, It became better
The Ergon GE1 Evo grips in 'sand storm' colour will go with this bike perfectly.
Oh dang I didn't realize they made that color. They're my favorite grips
A buddy recently switched from Code RSC's to the TRP DH-R Evo brakes with MTX Gold label pads, and then switched all 4 of his bikes to the TRPs.
I just found out from comments that trp and Shimano use the same pads, so I have 1 pair of MTX red label in my garage. Now I have to decide if I put them on the front or back 😂
Next step is the gold teeth )
cheers Evan, I am a Dominion guy, I've been on them for years. Ya they sound very similar to them, and they look sexier ;) the bikes geometry and weight has a lot to do with how fast a set of brakes can stop a bike... try them on your heavy ebike. I just bought a 2025 Nomad frame, and have built it up how I wanted it, I wasn't sure if I wanted the T type drivetrain. I went with Hayes, Hope wheel set, Oneup Dropper/bar/stem/grips, X01 carbon cranks/ cable shifter & derailer, XX1 oil slick cassette and chain. it currently has my DVO Onyx 36 (with newer compression dial) but I just ordered a new factory 38 on their sale last night. I am at about the same price as I would have paid for X01 T type axs model. I've been on Carbon rims for a couple years so going back to alloy should be interesting if I can notice the differences... 1st ride on the wheel set today. stoked AF lol
Install Cascade Components Brake Adjuster onto the DHR evo, Game changer! 👍🤙
I didn't know that was a thing. I'll look into it!
I'm far from the most knowledgeable guy on brakes, and I don't get into high dollar very expensive gear, but the Code's are great if you are doing big long rides and don't want to think too much about modulation, just grab a bunch and when you need more just slam them some more. They aren't a finesse kind of brake. One of my favorite brake sets for power and fine brake input is actually the Sram Level series. I have them on a DH bike and initial bite is aggressive but easy to fine tune the input, good brakes for when you are set on kill and really paying attention.
Hope Tech 4 V 4s with the 3.3mm vented rotors!! Unbelievable stopping power!! Not too sure what it's like in North America but here in Ireland, parts are readily available if you need to do anything with them!!
Don't ditch them just yet. Life isn't always linear with things just working as expected. Guys like myself appreciate seeing you work through problems.
You've got the time, tools, and means to work through the challenges, and it should make for good content.
I agree. I might just need the metallic pads that everyone is recommending although I really don't want to resort to that 😔
Another awesome video. I think what happens with a lot of expensive products is there isn't much in comparison as most riders can't afford to test 2-3 mid or even high grade sets. Most of us can only afford something slightly better than stock. I think a lot of MTB products are now getting bought up by ebike and emoto owners. This makes it harder to source, especially when competing against a company who is gonna build 1000+ bikes. but also it means in a few short years, a ton of ebikes out there with decent brake systems will be for sale cheap as their batteries fail :)
I have DRH Evo's with their 203 RS05E Race Rotors and have the same hubs, kinda disappointed Onyx didn't offer them in 6bolt, however I just picked up some Shimano 6bolt to center lock adaptors and it's been just fine. Love my TPRs though! Strong, consistent, light lever action, and look great with the Freedom Coast levers. :)
this video post saved me 12 minutes and 36 seconds of my life👍
Fox Kashima suspension is the only logical next choice. #goldtheme
Hope Tech 3 E4, has a set for around 8 years and they have been on a few bikes, they work really well and I've only needed to bleed them when I changed bike and the hose needed to be routed internally.
I have two sets of Hope Tech4 x2 piston brakes, one set on my Atherton AM.130 and the other set on my Salsa Fargo; different bikes and usage but the brakes performance is superb, lovely lever feel and adjustable for both reach and bite point...an added bonus is they look like expensive jewellery items!
That Santa Cruz internal routing is how all bikes should be done
Haha yeah it was pretty smooth! I don't really like how much cable hangs out by the rear shock though
The push eleven sixes for the Bronson are still on sale at jenson for $400 with out the coil
Hey Evan i feel like the next episode HAS to be about suspension this build would look so sick with the Fox Factory with the Kashima coat
Heck yeah man it arrives today and the spring will be here Tuesday 😍
Fox dps always sucked for me...
Completly destroyed the o rings...
And always lost air
If your going with new suspension front and back i would recommend formula selva r front or selva c if you want a coil fork and the formula mod if you want a coil shock or the formula nebbia if you want a air rear shock.
Nothing but good with formula and feel way better than anything else on the market if you can afford them
I believe they come with resin pads, change them with semi metalic or metallic. My TRP Trail had resin, I lost power on long DH, ditch the pads, now have semi metallic, never lost power anymore. good luck.
May want to give MTX pads a try. They work wonders on my DHR EVOS
Will do! Sucks to have to spend more money on these
I found some parts bin Shimano Saint levers and paired them with some Shimano mt420 calipers with metal pads. They're the most powerful brake I've ever had and they're on an ebike. Also the cheapest, since I paid $60 for everything.
If you want true gold theme build you gotta get the fox kashima suspension, 36 and dpx2 kashima or x2 would match perfectly
I’ll say it again for all those in the back, you need to come ride Windrock bike park man!!!!
One day!
If you want to go along the golden theme, try CaneCreek instead of Fox gold.
I think a CaneCreek coil, maybe with a gold spring would be sick.
Matching this to a CaneCreek Helm MK2, go for it
you should try the lewis brakes, they are gaining more and more popularity!!
If somebody search budget brakes, try Shimano Deore 6120.
I have these on my 60 kg bike or about 120 lbs.
203 mm rotor on the front and 160 mm in the back. Both from Ztto woth 2,3 mm thickness.
Best combo with enough power and no blocking the tyre.
Even on downhill I have no problem with overheating.
I paired them with MTX Red brake pads. They worked great. You can try.
I'd rather sell them than buy new pads 😩
@@EvansMTBSaga The TRP pads are bad. I switched to Galfer purple pads and they work unbelievably well. Getting rid of great brakes because of pads seems a little out of touch. Not something many people in the real world would or should do..
Great news, TRP brakes use Shimano pads and I just so happen to have 1 pair of MTX red pads in my garage! So should I put them on the front or rear 🤔
Oh dear, all the reviewers say the new grip X Fox fork dampers are very harsh, not sure they will fix the handling of the bike🤔 look forward to finding out....
Would you try öhlins suspension? I once tried öhlins and wasnt set up from me too but look i tried them on some stairs the suspension was so good you didnt feel anything just slight bumps in the rear öhlins schock but overall i recommend trying öhlins
I completely agree my code RSC with rainbow bolts by far have been my best all-around performing brakes
What do rainbow bolts do?
@@haroldochiquitoThey look low-key amazing
I think you need to use Ohlins suspension. I don't believe I've seen you use those on the channel. But could be wrong.
Have you tried Hope brakes ?
The reason there much more expensive is because they are powder coated gold, I have the black version and it was only 230 a side I believe
love the look and feel of the trp's but....have had issues with having to realign the calipers multiple times...maybe due to the thicker discs...idk...now I just carry an Allen and a thin card to put over the disc and realign the caliper as needed to stop the dreaded brake squeaking and slow rotation of the wheel...lil irritating at times but overall happy
any properly adjusted good brake can lock up a front tire…which means they are all “powerful enough”… control and traction are what limit braking, until you hit the point where heat management comes into play.
I'd like to see clamping force at the caliper at like max lever leverage listed in brakes reviews, I remember some publications listing it in comparison testing.
I wonder why they don't do it anymore it would settle a lot of internet banter about brakes 😅
*Both TRP rotors type are made of 304 stainless and are 2.3mm thickness there's no reason they should differ in performing in initial bite, maybe the two piece one dissipate heat faster but shouldn't affect your testing...
I'm currently using the lewis LH4 on two bikes with 2.3 mm rotors they have something similar in the feel department to the hayes, pretty light lever action you might like them, final bite at the end of the stroke is light but savage...
It's the pad material. I run Shimano pads in TRP/ tektro and it's a night and day difference.
I have some Shimano and MTX pads on hand, so I'll install them next video
Do you have a video of how you bleed brakes? Reason I ask is because I really like how you filled these TRPs from the top and I've been filling from below.
Before you buy a new fork, you should try burnishing the bushings. I'm on the sam position as you where I got a canyon spectral cf 8 with a lyrik select plus and its rough though the rocks and breaking bums especially, i want to know what your thoughtsare afteryou do the burnishing because the tool is expensive and i dont want to be wastingmoney. My dad's bike has a fox 36 with feels so much smooth through rock and roots. My spectral has a rockshox coil deluxe on it and the small bump sensitivity is insane, I would highly recommend a coil. Happy trails!
Off topic, any regrets moving to NWA outside of biking? Anything that you weren’t expecting? Wife and I are seriously looking at the Rogers area. I would love to live in an area that I could get around mostly by bike. Currently live in Northern Michigan. Thanks in advance.
My evo brakes lasted 6 months on my enduro rig. Never felt like they had the power compared to my slx 4 pistons. Switched to saints after the trps and never gonna look back.
Dang dude! I keep hearing about Saints. Do you think they're too powerful for my Bronson?
@ my theory is you can never have too much braking. Beside Trp I’ve only ran shimano and I was turned off of modulation. I like waiting until the last second to stop as I feel I carry more speed. Guy who bought them from me said the freedom coast lever helps but I didn’t want to spend another $150 to make $600 brakes work. I ride leatherwood and Ponca a lot and Saint are what I’ll be running for the foreseeable future. Ps-you need to go do the blacks at Ponca one day. Unlike anything in Arkansas. The blue is boring fyi haha.
you should do a vid reviewing deals on bikes right now based on what comments say
Any brake that is able to lock the wheel will result in same brake distance. Oversized brakes will only be an advantage when you brake for long time and undersized brakes start overheating
i have these on my eMTB ( intense tazer alloy pro, super heavy bike) with the same tier brake rotors as you. I'm a really heavy rider 125kg with gear plus my heavy bike and these TRP brakes can stop me extremly well even on the steepest trail sections, also the thick rotors are super heat resistant, they never faded on me ever. I ride most trails around Freiburg im Breisgau in germany, so they are steep in some cases. My brakepads sadly came contaminated so i switched them for jagwire sintered metal pads. I for myself can highly recomend these TRP brakes.
maybe switch the pads and give them another chance.
Yeah that's what I keep hearing in these comments. It sounds like the stock pads aren't great. But the good news is that Shimano pads are compatible, so for next video I will install some new pads when I replace the suspension! Thanks for watching and commenting!!
@@EvansMTBSaga looking forward to the next video. super curious if things change for the better.
You should get the fox factory suspension
Bro you gotta try the push industries suspension, I wanna see that fork so bad
Regarding the suspension. I'm starting to get the impression that there is an issue with the 2024 version of the RS Lyriks, especially the models below the ultimate. I've seen several reviews now where people are complaining about harshness with 2024 Lyriks, which is unusual since the Lyrik has traditionally been a very plush fork. As for the shock, I'd throw a Float X or Super Deluxe Ultimate on there, I think you'd lose some of the trail bike poppiness by coiling the Bronson, and Bentonville trails definitely favor a poppy and playful bike over a ground hugging monster truck.
My new Charger 3.1 Zeb is the same way and that's why I'm wanting to jump ship and stop using Rockshox.
I don´t think the rotors would make much difference for performance.
Maybe for heat management but as you don´t have any prolonged descents in Bentonville that shouldn´t be an issue. I´d rather look at brakepads. You should have plenty of choice as TRP´s use the same size as Shimano 4-pots. Galfer black are good and quite affordable. Saying all that: It looked like you had some trouble stopping the rear wheel from locking up on your test runs with the TRP´s. More powerful brakepads surely won´t help with that ;) Guess it´s just a matter of getting used to them and/or maybe work on your body position a bit.
Nobody says they’re the most powerful. Let alone “in the world” are they better than those db8, absolutely.
Time for some gold better bolts 😎 maybe too much bling 🤷🏻♂️ I did gold bits to my latest build. 👌
You should try hope V4 tech 4 black and gold would be sick
I like the 6D
Why have you not got gold decals for the Lyrik?
Because I'm getting new suspension 😁
You need to change valve core in your rear shock, its like 1 usd fix
maybe you could do a ohlins coil and a fox 36 to match the gold theme
I personally don't think you should go coil. I think coil shocks really tend to make the bike feel more enduro 'rock smash'... I had the previous gen bronson with a 160 coil and with a 170 coil and it was difficult to get off the ground and kinda muted the trail a lot, regretted it a bit. I think the rockshox vivid would be awesome
Too late 😬 already ordered it. But I definitely have those concerns and would go back to an air shock if it starts feeling like a magic carpet or memory foam mattress haha
TTX Coil 😎 And a 38 Ohlins Fork 😎
Have you ever tried Formula Cura 4? They have a lot of modulation!
You need to bleed the brakes properly! Trp uses a reverse bleed where you push oil from caliper into the cup. In your video you pulled from the top like sram. Your lever shouldn’t go all the way to the bar
Yeah I did that exact procedure off camera
The lever doesn't go to the bar, although it looks like it does on camera haha.
Damn, I feel like either this is installer error or you just don't have the terrain needed to REALLY work these in. I'm 270 and had trouble with the SRAM Code RSCs until I replaced them with these.
What if you get the flexible berd spokes and paint them gold
Gold fox 36 next❤❤❤❤
try and get the fox gold edition would look great on this bike🙏
That coil and root beer front shock will fit all the problems. 😅
Yeah I wish I could've found a root beer fork that wasn't messed up! But it'll be a 2025
@ this is a the great Ted Lasso said “you are in the progmess” it will all come together.
Maybe next time you can try to test a some sort of mix sram maven with Shimano e.g. Shimano levers with Sram Maven calipers, Shimano calipers with Sram Maven levers :)
Sounds pretty fun! Tek-mano
Definitely get a gold coil
3:08 I rode with normal 1.8 discs before switching to 2.3. I couldn't feel any difference.
what do you think ab hope tech 4
Never tried them. One day!
@@EvansMTBSaga i have v4 in my opinion with hope rotors ther are the best🙂
I can get mavens working fine by vacuming the rear caliper, making sure you dont open the bleeding edge more than half a turn at MAX
TRP's have always given me issues, the pistons never stay balanced, one side always comes out more after a trail and it rubs so bad.
Oh yeah I tried the vacuum trick and that helped with a squishy lever. I also tried the 2 rotor trick and that helped with a squishy lever. I massaged the pistons and lubed them but it didn't help the wandering bite point. Its minor and random though.
With TRP, after heavy braking, the pads will rub for a little while and I do quick lever pulls to reset them haha. Kinda funky
Bro get the Hayes dominions. You won’t be disappointed
After day 1 with these, I was set on selling them and getting Dominions. Gonna give it some more time though cuz Dominions are out of stock most places at the moment
Well... You did lock up the wheel on both shown runs. Of course you make the the distance longer 🤯
I pulled the lever in as hard as possible trying to avoid skidding, just like I did with the other 2 tests
@EvansMTBSaga at some point you might also hit the grip limit of your tyres, because the breaks are too powerful. Just in theory 😅
podium gold fork next?
I love mine
Charger Damper next eh...Ha!!
how much torque to Nut ?
I think the "Brake-Power-Test" down the Hill isn't really a valid way to test Brakepower. Most brake can just lock up the wheel so its just down to grip and riderskill (also different every run). I think "Power" is more like How hard do I have to pull the Lever to get a certain Brake Force. (I hope my comment is understandable and its meant as constructive critisism not to blame you for bad testing methods)
For both the DB8 and TRP brakes on the road test, I had to pull in both HARD to stop. Then with the Maven, I had to pull no so hard and it stopped way sooner and a 20lbs heavier bike. So Mavens for the win on that front
your little hill break test is a tire test, that says nothing about breaks. the trps are strong enough that they break your traction