Sub par? This is one of the best episodes! Jim knows Pam's sadness with her parents' divorce. She is still in the early stages of grief and her emotions are still raw. Her childish and sexist boss of all people gets dibs on her mother. Family has a way of bringing out our primal behavior. It's an excellent episode.
Pam is UNDER-reacting. When Michael comes back from Helene's phone call and SCOLDS Pam I lose my mind! It is so inappropriate for Michael as Pam's boss to date Pam's mom, and it's a real betrayal for Helene to date Michael after everything Pam's told her. And seriously, just look at how it all turns out...
The worst is when Michael says she shouldn't bring her issues to the office or something along those lines. Coming from the guy who had his employees write names of women for him to date.
This! 100%! Something that gets overlooked in the video and in most of the other comments. Michael could be a totally "normal" person without his sketchy dating history, awful behavior, and collection of red flags -- he could even be a totally great guy -- and it would STILL be wildly inappropriate for him to start dating the mother of one of his employees.
I honestly think Pam is justified in this instance. One could argue that she knows Michael better than anyone else in the office at this point, which of course means she knows the good in his heart and that he does have strengths as a person--HOWEVER! Like Chris said, she also has seen firsthand on multiple occasions (see: dinner party, Christmas card with Carol, etc.) how dysfunctional and unhealthy Michael CAN be in a relationship. I feel like it would be insane for her to NOT freak out over this. Especially when you remember the emotional turmoil and weight they gave to her parents' divorce in a prior episode.
Definitely! and vice versa in her moms birthday episode she is reminded of the sweet aspects of michael and is really impressed and changes her tune on them dating, only to be proven right when he dumps her for one of the most shallow (but also reasonable) reasons ever.
I think the scene with Erin not setting out the candy immediately wasn’t because of any strife/rivalry with Pam. Erin is a “rule follower” & she wants to check with Michael (the boss) to make sure she is doing things by the book so she won’t get in trouble.
Yes! Ive never considered a rivalry between them. You can tell Erin really looks up to Pam and her work as a receptionist. This scene to me shows how much Erin wants to do her job well and how much she respects Michael as her boss.
I mean I'd also argue that Michael treated Jan like gold. Well not gold but he took all the abuse from her let her spend his money and takeover his house. He was actually the victim in the relationship.
I can't even being to tell how stupid it is to hate Pam for overreacting. Like Michael never overreacts or something. Oh wait, he kidnapped a kid because he overreacted. And second point, she's not overreacting.
I think If he wasn’t my current boss then I couldn’t really do anything and it might be overreacting but as her current boss, it’s really over the line and she’s under reacting
the opera song is M’apparì. it’s from a german opera that was based on an old romance ballet about farmers and maids and a queen it’s really weird and random.
Pam's seen Michael's relationships. Michael lied about having dated her and has made romantic moves on her before. She knows Michael. This is not overreacting.
@@purplewine7362 Jan confronts Pam about it in the kitchen 'Don't tell me Michael's really changed since you guys dated'. and 'Michael told me a little bit about it'.
@@SociaCin yea i dont think michael actually said that to jan. i always read it as Jan making it up to intimidate pam. also angela makes things up and joins in on the gang up on pam "I've seen the way you look at him". also a callback to the fun run episode when jan threatens pam and says "he's mine so back off"
The aria used for the opera scene is about when the hero of the opera sees the object of his affection to the moment when she vanishes, taking his heart with her (classic fm). Ig that kinda relates to Michael and his affection with Pam's mom? Also im guessing Andy says this aria is garbage because it is fairly popular in that world, and perhaps a bit over-rated and over used.
I think it was genius for them to devise a plot that could be expressed by the question, "How would you feel about Michael dating your mother?" It's a question we each have to face! ;-)
This little Micheal dating Pams mom arc is a weird one for me. I can watch it through once and completely be on Micheals side and hate Pam. Then watch it again and feel completely the opposite. But this arc does end with one of my personal top 3 cringe moments of the series: The birthday dinner when Michael decides to break up with Pams mom. Oh that gets me every time. Hard to watch. Lol
If I wasn’t working at DM, sure! Date my mom, Michael Scott! I think Pam overreacted a bit but, then again, she knows Michael usually takes his breakups out on the office for a loooooooong time afterwards, PLUS her relationship with her mother isn’t that great so she’s going to get it from both ends when the relationship inevitably goes south. That might be upping her mania here?
isnt that great?! her mom visits her at work, they talk almost every day, pam literally calls her a few minutes after Jim declares her love for her and she’s a very present grandmother too.
Michael Scott is that friend that you tolerate their nonsense because you know them, but you can't let him date your mom. There might not be anyone in that office that knows him better than Pam, so she knows his patterns with women. And he hits all of the same beats with Helene: -Inadvertently charms a woman going through a rough emotional portion of her life (her husband left her for a much younger woman because he was incapable of loving her, ouch) -She falls for his charms & charisma; sleeps with him -He falls in love almost immediately; this is even worse because Helene is on the rebound -He makes her think this is going to work; even makes Pam come around & forget his past -He then does something obscene and the relationship completely tanks You could insert Jan, Donna, the chair model (if she were alive) or Holly into this spot and he still does the same thing every time. Pam is technically over-reacting, but we almost always think we over-reacted to things later on and think we could have handled it better. The show doesn't do montages much, but this is where they probably should have inserted some of his failures just to remind the audience of why she is mad. Lastly, just want to point out that while Seasons 8 & 9 get all of the flack, you start seeing cracks in the show at this point as well. It's not "bad", but this is usually where the downswing starts for sitcoms and that might be why you don't remember it as vividly.
Jan can’t even be used as an example here. She did many abusive and nasty things to Michael and he had to put up with it or be lonely. That relationship went south because of her inherent flaws.
My mum is already married to a man I consider very much like Michael and he annoys me so much. Quite often things he does and says comes off as ignorant and insensitive and while watching The Office I couldn’t help but get borderline angry at Michael for doing and saying those things.
Well, if this is the reason why people hate Pam, I don't get it. She just found out the guy that faked fired her once for a joke is now banging her mom.
Season 6 was really Michael's downfall season in a lot of ways. Dating her mom was one example. And they discuss that fact more in his conversation with Joe in her jet. I do agree that it's a weak cold opening.
Oh I like this episode! I would give it 4/5! I find it funny see Pam all crazy about it, Jim worried and Michael being Michael. I also love the bug pen, it's a stupid plot twist.
I am currently on my 2nd watch and am glad to finally catch up to your episodes. Can't believe someone beat me to 9:01. Also just any excuse to include the dinner party and I am all for it.
This episode why why the employee of the ,month plot would've never worked. JIM WAS TO SMART! HE COULD NOT BE FOOLED BY SUCH A WEAK PLOT! He was to suspicious of Dwight!
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Yes I think Pam's freak out and uncharacteristic aggression is understandable. She's really close with her mom and this is an awful-worlds-colliding situation. I am proud of her and you can see Jenna Fischer's strong personality coming out when she finally gets to yell.
Pam saw Michael ask a woman to marry him on a 9th date. Pam knows that Michael told Jan that they had dated which is a lie and very inappropriate. Pam saw how Michael behaved on that date in the happy hour episode and how he continued to see Donna after he knew she was married. Michael pretended to fire Pam for fun and has made sexual comments to Pam multiple times. Not to mention the million other inappropriate things Micheal has done. Pam was pregnant, and her parents were recently divorced, and are we forgetting what happened with this relationship? Pam was 100% right. Micheal dumped Pams mom on her birthday because he found out how old she was.
I wouldn't express it as a tantrum, like she did, but I do not believe that she was overreacting. I would definitely be pissed, if just for the fact that my mom likes to overshare with me. I would not appreciate being forced to be my mom's unpaid therapist. Again. lol
not overreacting at all. My mom kept in touch with someone who was not good to me (she had a general idea, no details). We had a big fight about it and I had to sit her down and tell her a loooot of detail for her to get it. Pam’s mom knew A LOT of details about how Michael acts and she DATES him? I’d be absolutely mad and would probably go very low contact.
It's not just how he was in relationships. The way he was super offensive to Pam herself sometimes. I would also not want my mom to date my boss, let alone someone like Michael.
I don't think it's fair to put the dinner party clip as an example of Michael's failed relationship when the failure of that relationship was entirely on Jan's part.
The only scene I don't like here is Pams tantrum in the parking lot. It feels so out of place for me personally. Like, it's just too over the top for Pam in my opinion.
Can't stand Oscar's response to the question (that he himself has already weighed in on)... such an immature cop-out answer... I get this kinda crap from people ALL the time 🙄😂 ...but no, I personally would have no problem with it (it would actually be really cool)🤷♂️
@@livs9961 no it doesn't lmfao. he's just saying that he had sex with her in the car. not "thinks of her as a sex object". how the fuck did you go from "I had sex with her in the car" to "I think of her as a sex object"? i think you're projecting a bit
Michael would have to bring my mom back to life to date her. And she had dementia, so the date would be…well… interesting. I totally empathize with Pam but that continuous screaming bite here has to go!
I love this series of videos and your hard work, but please stop cutting to a clip of The Office every time you say a word that was said in the show. Yes Dwight said "subpar" and you chose to say it too, so either just cut to him instead of you saying it, or just keep talking, but it doesn't need to be heard twice. It will help the pacing of your videos, since the necessary cuts to the scenes already tend to sound weird, when it's 10 seconds of you talking CUT! 10 seconds of you talking CUT! 10 seconds of you talking CUT! It's less work for you and we actually want to hear you talk. When we want a clip show we have "The Banker" episode. :D
The worst part is that Michael tried to kiss Pam and had several inappropriate moments with her. If you think about it is just wrong.
Sub par? This is one of the best episodes! Jim knows Pam's sadness with her parents' divorce. She is still in the early stages of grief and her emotions are still raw. Her childish and sexist boss of all people gets dibs on her mother. Family has a way of bringing out our primal behavior. It's an excellent episode.
Yes this is my favourite episode
I love that people hating on Pam says she's overeacting, but we 100% know that we would hate to have our boss date our mom xD
This is one of my favorite episodes. Definitely the best of s6 imo
Pam is UNDER-reacting. When Michael comes back from Helene's phone call and SCOLDS Pam I lose my mind! It is so inappropriate for Michael as Pam's boss to date Pam's mom, and it's a real betrayal for Helene to date Michael after everything Pam's told her. And seriously, just look at how it all turns out...
The worst is when Michael says she shouldn't bring her issues to the office or something along those lines. Coming from the guy who had his employees write names of women for him to date.
This! 100%! Something that gets overlooked in the video and in most of the other comments. Michael could be a totally "normal" person without his sketchy dating history, awful behavior, and collection of red flags -- he could even be a totally great guy -- and it would STILL be wildly inappropriate for him to start dating the mother of one of his employees.
She was all about it and the gossip until she learned it was her mom Michael was seeing! Lol
Pam's mom can date whoever the fuck she wants. And Michael can date whoever he wants. He has 0 zero authority over her
@@liminalcriminal_I can legally tell an amputee to change their name to eieleen but I would be a belend morally. Understand son?
Creeds reaction upon hearing the opera always reminds me of why I love him. His reaction is PRICELESS!
I honestly think Pam is justified in this instance. One could argue that she knows Michael better than anyone else in the office at this point, which of course means she knows the good in his heart and that he does have strengths as a person--HOWEVER! Like Chris said, she also has seen firsthand on multiple occasions (see: dinner party, Christmas card with Carol, etc.) how dysfunctional and unhealthy Michael CAN be in a relationship. I feel like it would be insane for her to NOT freak out over this. Especially when you remember the emotional turmoil and weight they gave to her parents' divorce in a prior episode.
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Definitely! and vice versa in her moms birthday episode she is reminded of the sweet aspects of michael and is really impressed and changes her tune on them dating, only to be proven right when he dumps her for one of the most shallow (but also reasonable) reasons ever.
It’s just so akward 😅 like when your
Mom dates a teacher
I think the scene with Erin not setting out the candy immediately wasn’t because of any strife/rivalry with Pam. Erin is a “rule follower” & she wants to check with Michael (the boss) to make sure she is doing things by the book so she won’t get in trouble.
Yes! Ive never considered a rivalry between them. You can tell Erin really looks up to Pam and her work as a receptionist. This scene to me shows how much Erin wants to do her job well and how much she respects Michael as her boss.
"What did I do?" 😟 Poor Toby.
The only way Michael could date my mom is If my mom were Holly, he pretty much treats her like gold. Every other woman? Not so much.
Yes!
I mean I'd also argue that Michael treated Jan like gold. Well not gold but he took all the abuse from her let her spend his money and takeover his house. He was actually the victim in the relationship.
No I would not be ok with this version of Michael dating my mom.
Pam screaming in the parking is just comedy bronze, silver and gold.
I can't even being to tell how stupid it is to hate Pam for overreacting. Like Michael never overreacts or something. Oh wait, he kidnapped a kid because he overreacted. And second point, she's not overreacting.
I've seen this show 4 times, and I've never seen that moment of Pam waving her arms in the parking lot. I've only seen her standing still and yelling.
It looks like a deleted scene
I think If he wasn’t my current boss then I couldn’t really do anything and it might be overreacting but as her current boss, it’s really over the line and she’s under reacting
the opera song is M’apparì. it’s from a german opera that was based on an old romance ballet about farmers and maids and a queen it’s really weird and random.
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Pam's seen Michael's relationships. Michael lied about having dated her and has made romantic moves on her before. She knows Michael. This is not overreacting.
"Michael lied about having dated her" when lmfao?
@@purplewine7362 Dinner Party
@@SociaCin Michael never said anything about dating Pan in that episode
@@purplewine7362 Jan confronts Pam about it in the kitchen 'Don't tell me Michael's really changed since you guys dated'. and 'Michael told me a little bit about it'.
@@SociaCin yea i dont think michael actually said that to jan. i always read it as Jan making it up to intimidate pam. also angela makes things up and joins in on the gang up on pam "I've seen the way you look at him". also a callback to the fun run episode when jan threatens pam and says "he's mine so back off"
This episode made me hate Michael a bit more... So, on the contrary. Pam wasnt "exagerating".
Michael deserved a punch.
The aria used for the opera scene is about when the hero of the opera sees the object of his affection to the moment when she vanishes, taking his heart with her (classic fm). Ig that kinda relates to Michael and his affection with Pam's mom? Also im guessing Andy says this aria is garbage because it is fairly popular in that world, and perhaps a bit over-rated and over used.
michael thinks so lowly of women as a whole i would never want him dating someone i care about
If Michael was dating my mom I think I would’ve immediately gone to yelling and swearing followed by violence. Pam’s reaction is tame by comparison.
I think it was genius for them to devise a plot that could be expressed by the question, "How would you feel about Michael dating your mother?" It's a question we each have to face! ;-)
What does a bean mean? So,done please explain it to Kevin. 😂
This little Micheal dating Pams mom arc is a weird one for me. I can watch it through once and completely be on Micheals side and hate Pam. Then watch it again and feel completely the opposite. But this arc does end with one of my personal top 3 cringe moments of the series: The birthday dinner when Michael decides to break up with Pams mom.
Oh that gets me every time. Hard to watch. Lol
If I wasn’t working at DM, sure! Date my mom, Michael Scott! I think Pam overreacted a bit but, then again, she knows Michael usually takes his breakups out on the office for a loooooooong time afterwards, PLUS her relationship with her mother isn’t that great so she’s going to get it from both ends when the relationship inevitably goes south. That might be upping her mania here?
isnt that great?! her mom visits her at work, they talk almost every day, pam literally calls her a few minutes after Jim declares her love for her and she’s a very present grandmother too.
Michael Scott is that friend that you tolerate their nonsense because you know them, but you can't let him date your mom. There might not be anyone in that office that knows him better than Pam, so she knows his patterns with women.
And he hits all of the same beats with Helene:
-Inadvertently charms a woman going through a rough emotional portion of her life (her husband left her for a much younger woman because he was incapable of loving her, ouch)
-She falls for his charms & charisma; sleeps with him
-He falls in love almost immediately; this is even worse because Helene is on the rebound
-He makes her think this is going to work; even makes Pam come around & forget his past
-He then does something obscene and the relationship completely tanks
You could insert Jan, Donna, the chair model (if she were alive) or Holly into this spot and he still does the same thing every time.
Pam is technically over-reacting, but we almost always think we over-reacted to things later on and think we could have handled it better. The show doesn't do montages much, but this is where they probably should have inserted some of his failures just to remind the audience of why she is mad.
Lastly, just want to point out that while Seasons 8 & 9 get all of the flack, you start seeing cracks in the show at this point as well. It's not "bad", but this is usually where the downswing starts for sitcoms and that might be why you don't remember it as vividly.
Jan can’t even be used as an example here. She did many abusive and nasty things to Michael and he had to put up with it or be lonely. That relationship went south because of her inherent flaws.
are you really using Jan and Donna as examples here? LMFAO
@@sunny-gt7qw you'd have to be a moron to think that Michael treated jan poorly instead of the other way around
My mum is already married to a man I consider very much like Michael and he annoys me so much. Quite often things he does and says comes off as ignorant and insensitive and while watching The Office I couldn’t help but get borderline angry at Michael for doing and saying those things.
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Well, if this is the reason why people hate Pam, I don't get it. She just found out the guy that faked fired her once for a joke is now banging her mom.
Season 6 was really Michael's downfall season in a lot of ways. Dating her mom was one example. And they discuss that fact more in his conversation with Joe in her jet.
I do agree that it's a weak cold opening.
Oh I like this episode! I would give it 4/5! I find it funny see Pam all crazy about it, Jim worried and Michael being Michael. I also love the bug pen, it's a stupid plot twist.
I think Jim is afraid of Pam’s reaction. Especially when Michael is like “I think you’re underestimating Pam” and Jim is immediately “No”
She is, in fact, not overreacting. Hindsight proves this when he finds out her moms age
Omfg Im so happy you've made this :D
It's my favourite episode ^^
Pam was in the right for this entire arc and I don’t care what anyone else says.
Ping is my favorite Michael character
I don't see the reason to have a poll when Prison Mike is going to be everyone's first choice lmao
1/5 for this gem of a cold opening?
"I fell into a pool of acid, eyes first"
Come on man!
Whoa you’re still doing these? That’s really cool keep up the good work man really comforting videos
I love Michael but I didn't want him dating my mother...Pam is reacting on the right level.
I'm suprised, I really like The Lover
I am currently on my 2nd watch and am glad to finally catch up to your episodes. Can't believe someone beat me to 9:01. Also just any excuse to include the dinner party and I am all for it.
This episode was funny and sure he could date My mom. Endless fun 😂🙈
This episode why why the employee of the ,month plot would've never worked. JIM WAS TO SMART! HE COULD NOT BE FOOLED BY SUCH A WEAK PLOT! He was to suspicious of Dwight!
Off topic I saw a honey 🍯 nut cheerios add with both Stanily and phyllis
I read the words under Michael as "Loser" for a second. Lol. What is that called? a Friendian Slop?
This episode was the most I've ever liked Pam.
Yeah Pam is not overreacting even 1%
Reviewing every episode of the office ever? Ok ya lemme sub!
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In Australia we didn't get the opera bit or the Mcsqueezy cold open 🤔
I love this episode!
I love 3rd phase Pam when she developed more depth and an edge.
Upper Decker! 🚽
Best episode of season 6.
I just reimagined the "what kind of car does she drive?" with "a brown probe" "oh my God that's funny!"
I've got a doodle Pam can do.
The name of Merideth's son's toilet stunt is called an Upper Decker
14:30 Whoah! That’s my mom you’re talking about!
I always thought that when Michael touched Jim's chest and called him Pam, it was a payback for her ipod shuffle joke during Michael's roasting
The upper-decker
The lover
- Micheal Scott
Yes I think Pam's freak out and uncharacteristic aggression is understandable. She's really close with her mom and this is an awful-worlds-colliding situation. I am proud of her and you can see Jenna Fischer's strong personality coming out when she finally gets to yell.
The thing merediths son did was called a upperdecker wow I fell weird for saying that
Pam saw Michael ask a woman to marry him on a 9th date.
Pam knows that Michael told Jan that they had dated which is a lie and very inappropriate.
Pam saw how Michael behaved on that date in the happy hour episode and how he continued to see Donna after he knew she was married.
Michael pretended to fire Pam for fun and has made sexual comments to Pam multiple times.
Not to mention the million other inappropriate things Micheal has done. Pam was pregnant, and her parents were recently divorced, and are we forgetting what happened with this relationship? Pam was 100% right. Micheal dumped Pams mom on her birthday because he found out how old she was.
Meredith's kid, Double Decker, something like that.
Dwight's mallard at 8:59
2/5 for me for the same reasons as you. Love the edit at 14:24 !
To answer the question yes I would love my mom to date Michael. I know he would buy me a 200$ plasma screen tv
I wouldn't express it as a tantrum, like she did, but I do not believe that she was overreacting. I would definitely be pissed, if just for the fact that my mom likes to overshare with me. I would not appreciate being forced to be my mom's unpaid therapist. Again. lol
not overreacting at all. My mom kept in touch with someone who was not good to me (she had a general idea, no details). We had a big fight about it and I had to sit her down and tell her a loooot of detail for her to get it. Pam’s mom knew A LOT of details about how Michael acts and she DATES him? I’d be absolutely mad and would probably go very low contact.
8:59 Mallard!!
It's not just how he was in relationships. The way he was super offensive to Pam herself sometimes. I would also not want my mom to date my boss, let alone someone like Michael.
JUST FIND ANOTHER WAY HOME, MAN
I'd be very confused if Michael started dating my mom... considering she's still very much married to my dad.
Pam definitely under-reacted, only issue is with the open disrespect could have gotten her in trouble with HR
Wait do they cut the entire cold opening (the koi pond episode) does it just. Start
Definitely not overreacting. I wouldn’t let that man within fifteen feet of my mother.
mafia was too silly imo but I liked this one. cold opening decent and Jim swearing finding out its Pams mom is one of the funniest moments of the show
I don't think it's fair to put the dinner party clip as an example of Michael's failed relationship when the failure of that relationship was entirely on Jan's part.
My mother's in a wheelchair
Who the fuck puts their rank as their profile pic. Especially them mosquito wings
Upper decker!
Pam had a under reaction
It was kind of nice to see some yelling at Michael after all of the stuff that he's done... Otherwise it's a hard episode to watch
13:24 Crappy retort. Sometimes they had to force the awkward comedy.
❤❤ In the middle is not 🟡💛
Overreacting??? It was her mom!!
The only scene I don't like here is Pams tantrum in the parking lot. It feels so out of place for me personally. Like, it's just too over the top for Pam in my opinion.
Can't stand Oscar's response to the question (that he himself has already weighed in on)... such an immature cop-out answer... I get this kinda crap from people ALL the time 🙄😂
...but no, I personally would have no problem with it (it would actually be really cool)🤷♂️
5:17 this is how guys talk.. its nothing to dissect over
it's showing he thinks of the relationship and helene as a sex object. it's gross and shows he doesn't respect women
and yes that's how guys talk, you aren't wrong. because many guys think of women as nothing more than sex objects (whether they realize it or not)
@@livs9961 no it doesn't lmfao. he's just saying that he had sex with her in the car. not "thinks of her as a sex object". how the fuck did you go from "I had sex with her in the car" to "I think of her as a sex object"? i think you're projecting a bit
9:02 Easter egg
I love your reviews but how on earth does the crappy mafia episode before this come even close to this one. No way they’re both 3/5
Upper Decker.
Upper Decker
Michael would have to bring my mom back to life to date her. And she had dementia, so the date would be…well… interesting.
I totally empathize with Pam but that continuous screaming bite here has to go!
I love this series of videos and your hard work, but please stop cutting to a clip of The Office every time you say a word that was said in the show. Yes Dwight said "subpar" and you chose to say it too, so either just cut to him instead of you saying it, or just keep talking, but it doesn't need to be heard twice. It will help the pacing of your videos, since the necessary cuts to the scenes already tend to sound weird, when it's 10 seconds of you talking CUT! 10 seconds of you talking CUT! 10 seconds of you talking CUT!
It's less work for you and we actually want to hear you talk. When we want a clip show we have "The Banker" episode. :D
Stop with the Pam screaming too
She’s so overreacting lmao. Yeah I wouldn’t want Micheal to date my mother either but I wouldn’t throw a temper tantrum in the parking lot
see i wouldn't want my boss to date my mother period. Michael Gary Scott or otherwise.
9:01
8:58
Date Mike!
I think Pam gets a lot of her fan hatred from this episode.
Also most of her hate is from S9