I recently made the switch from rotor valve trombones to a trombone with a Thayer valve. I love the open low register the Thayer valve gives me. I understand that one of the advantages a rotor valve still has over the Thayer valve is that the shorter throw of the rotor valve (how much distance the thumb needs to move the trigger to activate the valve) makes it better for the nimbleness needed for virtuosic solo playing. However, I'm mostly a symphonic trombonist who doesn't play any solos, so the Thayer valve is perfect for me.
I'd love to hear a breakdown on other valves currently on many bespoke horns today. Hagmann vs Thayer (axial), Rotax. That "valve arms race" video would be slick!
Typically, in engineering, a large geometry of metal on metal contact with motion means a BEARING is needed. In this case I think a set of ROLLER BEARINGS would allow for low resistance. However, this is EXPENSIVE, and depending upon the exact shape may be difficult to have solid enough surfaces with the roller bearings. I personally am still using the old fashioned Bach 42B style valve.
Last week, here in Eugene, Oregon, Craig Bender passed away. He installed some of the Thayer valves for Ed and knew him personally. Craig once let me play around on a trombone which was headed for Charlie Vernon in Chicago. Craig was a really good guy and will be missed. He was our neighbor and loved to hear my son practicing.
I've always wondered why we don't dee thayer valves on other brass instruments. A euphonium with front facing thayer valves would sound awesome, in my imagination anyways
@@TheTromboneChannel Damn I wonder why? I just always thought maybe it just didn't make sense from an engineering standpoint or something. I imagine the sound quality would be amazing, especially on notes where you have 3 or more valves down.
I originally posted this video almost a year ago and reuploaded it because it contained information no longer relevant.
I recently made the switch from rotor valve trombones to a trombone with a Thayer valve. I love the open low register the Thayer valve gives me. I understand that one of the advantages a rotor valve still has over the Thayer valve is that the shorter throw of the rotor valve (how much distance the thumb needs to move the trigger to activate the valve) makes it better for the nimbleness needed for virtuosic solo playing. However, I'm mostly a symphonic trombonist who doesn't play any solos, so the Thayer valve is perfect for me.
I'd love to hear a breakdown on other valves currently on many bespoke horns today. Hagmann vs Thayer (axial), Rotax. That "valve arms race" video would be slick!
I died every time you said Ore-eh-gone
Great video tho thanks
I still play my Conn 88h with a CL-2000 which I got over 20 years ago. I think I'm just so used to the CL that anything else feels sluggish
Typically, in engineering, a large geometry of metal on metal contact with motion means a BEARING is needed. In this case I think a set of ROLLER BEARINGS would allow for low resistance. However, this is EXPENSIVE, and depending upon the exact shape may be difficult to have solid enough surfaces with the roller bearings. I personally am still using the old fashioned Bach 42B style valve.
That's why the infinity valve was invented. However, the mechanical vibration / noise is anyother problem ...
Great thanks
Last week, here in Eugene, Oregon, Craig Bender passed away. He installed some of the Thayer valves for Ed and knew him personally. Craig once let me play around on a trombone which was headed for Charlie Vernon in Chicago. Craig was a really good guy and will be missed. He was our neighbor and loved to hear my son practicing.
I've always wondered why we don't dee thayer valves on other brass instruments. A euphonium with front facing thayer valves would sound awesome, in my imagination anyways
I think it was tried and everyone ended up hating it
@@TheTromboneChannel Damn I wonder why? I just always thought maybe it just didn't make sense from an engineering standpoint or something. I imagine the sound quality would be amazing, especially on notes where you have 3 or more valves down.
for my 3rd trombone, if i get a tenor and not an alto ill probably get one with a thayer valve
I have Thayer's #46 valve.
1:30 WHAT IS THIS BANGER MUSIC?!!!
Vibing with a Jupiter xo 1240L
I have a Bach 42af"Infinity" and It's an amazing handmade costa rican tbone